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So, what is NMSU getting out of this deal?
 
So is it generally not advisable to attend this school if accepted elsewhere? Is that mainly due to the uncertainty the school, what uncertainties exactly? Also, Burrell is going to be for profit correct? Why exactly is for profit viewed negatively? I saw Rocky Vista COM is also for profit. It's considered is decent school though right? Sorry for the naïve questions.
 
Endorphins98 said:
I mean if it's the only acceptance you get, you don't turn it down right?
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As I've said before. Don't be in that position, don't apply to a school you're iffy enough to ask whether to attend or not.


DetectiveAlonzo said:
As a prospective applicant, what are some things to worry about being apart of the first medical school class (If I was blessed with an acceptance)?
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For-profit status, no upper classmen to tell you how to study or what's what, clinicals are not perfected and there will be expectable issues, some of the faculty will be less than adequate in teaching you to pass the boards.
 
If it is your only acceptance take it. It may be a little more difficult attending a school in its inaugural class but I still think it beats waiting another year. Work hard there and you will be fine. Hopefully you are not in a position where it is your only acceptance.
 
U know what the best part is? They will probably get like 4K apps
 
Looks like they will be implementing the same exact curriculum as RVU (and now KCU), even the same class names.
 
I read that they plan on starting at 150 students/class and eventually expanding to 300/class. COCA allows 8% more, so I guess it will be 162 and later 324 student class sizes.
 
I'm going to apply. Since when has a US school flopped, leaving students stranded in the middle of school and/or without residencies?
 
evooo8 said:
That's pretty cool! If it wasn't Ciudad Juarez I would be really open to do some rotations in Mexico.
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I want to add that I see no problem in having agreements in place for international electives, but if core rotations are being done in Mexico, I think this should call into question COCA's accreditation standards.

There are certainly reputable medical schools in other countries who turn out fine physicians who practice in the US, but a US school should ensure that it's core rotations are done in US hospitals. After all, on Step 2, you're going to be tested on the US guidelines, not the Mexican guidelines. Sure, you can study these before the tests, as IMG/FMG's do who train outside the US, but it certainly helps to have you training done in hospitals that follow the guidelines that will be tested on.
 
Lots of Investors on the website. Hopefully that translates to being a competitive school.

Rocky Vista turned out fine, right?
 
Does anybody know if they have any rotations set with surrounding hospitals?
 
evooo8 said:
Their website is actually pretty nice. A lot of COMs have ugly websites haha
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Yeah what's up with that? This is 2015, not 1998 lol

MajorUnderDog said:
Wow, really nice website.

Looks like I'll apply also even though I don't have any ties to the state besides loving Breaking Bad.
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Are they looking for NM residents only? I didn't see it stated on their website
 
schlitter22 said:
Yeah what's up with that? This is 2015, not 1998 lol



Are they looking for NM residents only? I didn't see it stated on their website
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True, but my gutt tells me they really want to keep their graduates in NM to help meet the Physician shortage. Especially in NM with it being such a huge spread out state. Gorgeous state though
 
MajorUnderDog said:
True, but my gutt tells me they really want to keep their graduates in NM to help meet the Physician shortage. Especially in NM with it being such a huge spread out state. Gorgeous state though
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Makes sense. I'm from Oregon so I wouldn't mind staying around NM. Close enough to home
 
They do seem to be sincere in wanting to train doctors who want to practice primary care in underserved areas
 
meliora27 said:
I want to add that I see no problem in having agreements in place for international electives, but if core rotations are being done in Mexico, I think this should call into question COCA's accreditation standards.

There are certainly reputable medical schools in other countries who turn out fine physicians who practice in the US, but a US school should ensure that it's core rotations are done in US hospitals. After all, on Step 2, you're going to be tested on the US guidelines, not the Mexican guidelines. Sure, you can study these before the tests, as IMG/FMG's do who train outside the US, but it certainly helps to have you training done in hospitals that follow the guidelines that will be tested on.
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I'm pretty sure you COCA doesn't allow you to do core rotations in Mexico.
 
AlteredScale said:
None of their main clinical sites have GME........nice.
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Yeah I looked at the NRMP report on matching and besides New Mexico SOM having it's own hospital with an assortment of residencies, the state only has a few family residencies at most. Only one of those sites on the BCOM page, in New Mexico, has a family residency. As for the Texas rotations, with the schools expanding there, BCOM will only get the scraps.

http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Main-Match-Results-and-Data-2014.pdf

The addition of residency spots seems like it is a work in progress on one of the hospital websites. It will be a long while before the school establishes rotations with residencies in them.

http://www.lovelace.com/news/press/new-med-school-could-bring-400-residency-slots
 
IslandStyle808 said:
Yeah I looked at the NRMP report on matching and besides New Mexico SOM having it's own hospital with an assortment of residencies, the state only has a few family residencies at most. Only one of those sites on the BCOM page, in New Mexico, has a family residency. As for the Texas rotations, with the schools expanding there, BCOM will only get the scraps.

http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Main-Match-Results-and-Data-2014.pdf

The addition of residency spots seems like it is a work in progress on one of the hospital websites. It will be a long while before the school establishes rotations with residencies in them.

http://www.lovelace.com/news/press/new-med-school-could-bring-400-residency-slots
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I think it is highly unlikely they will produce 400 residency slots in the next 10 years, especially with the merger arriving in around 4-5 years.

But we'll see.

I am seriously considering drafting a call for COCA to reevaluate their accred. standards and processes.
 
AlteredScale said:
I think it is highly unlikely they will produce 400 residency slots in the next 10 years, especially with the merger arriving in around 4-5 years.

But we'll see.

I am seriously considering drafting a call for COCA to reevaluate their accred. standards and processes.
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As long as there are unfilled spots in family medicine and Psych, which there should be after the merger, there will be unrestricted Med School growth. Everyone who gets squeezed out of their specialties will just scramble for these spots.

I have a feeling this rapid expansion of growth with give a negative connotation to the DO degree when match time comes.

Also, does anyone feel that this road is eerily similar to the one Pharmacy went down about 5 years ago? Where a TON of pharm schools opened up and the job market couldn't handle the excess graduates being pumped out each year? They felt the effect around 2007 when the market crashed, and they are still opening up new schools.
 
GypsyHummus said:
As long as there are unfilled spots in family medicine and Psych, which there should be after the merger, there will be unrestricted Med School growth. Everyone who gets squeezed out of their specialties will just scramble for these spots.

I have a feeling this rapid expansion of growth with give a negative connotation to the DO degree when match time comes.

Also, does anyone feel that this road is eerily similar to the one Pharmacy went down about 5 years ago? Where a TON of pharm schools opened up and the job market couldn't handle the excess graduates being pumped out each year? They felt the effect around 2007 when the market crashed, and they are still opening up new schools.
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What's really making me nervous is that there's probably nothing stopping COCA from appealing to federal agencies about expanding school size by presenting a theoretical goal that they will also open residency slots to match this rapid expansion.
 
AlteredScale said:
What's really making me nervous is that there's probably nothing stopping COCA from appealing to federal agencies about expanding school size by presenting a theoretical goal that they will also open residency slots to match this rapid expansion.
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And the problem is, all of this won't be felt for another 4 or 5 years. At that point, it will be too late, and something drastic will have to be done.
 
I'm convinced that (for the good of everyone) AAMC will try and create a single med school accreditation system after the residency merger. Otherwise this popping out of questionable schools just won't stop on the part of COCA.
 
AlteredScale said:
What's really making me nervous is that there's probably nothing stopping COCA from appealing to federal agencies about expanding school size by presenting a theoretical goal that they will also open residency slots to match this rapid expansion.
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GypsyHummus said:
And the problem is, all of this won't be felt for another 4 or 5 years. At that point, it will be too late, and something drastic will have to be done.
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People on the forums keep saying we have it better than pharm and law because we have a two tier system of capping the amount of doctor we set into the market. However, if we have the medical schools expanding out only what we are creating is the potential of having graduates without a residency. Thus $200K+ with a degree that is unusable. At least with pharm and law you have the potential to practice in the future. The control should be happening at the medical school stage.
 
allantois said:
I'm convinced that (for the good of everyone) AAMC will try and create a single med school accreditation system after the residency merger. Otherwise this popping out of questionable schools just won't stop on the part of COCA.
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I thought that the AAMC only over saw both US MD schools and Canadian schools? Do they have influence on the ACGME?
 
How could you be expected to do a core rotation in another country as a non-native speaker? Seems like medical Spanish would a requirement for this school.
 
allantois said:
I'm convinced that (for the good of everyone) AAMC will try and create a single med school accreditation system after the residency merger. Otherwise this popping out of questionable schools just won't stop on the part of COCA.
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It's inevitable. In the mean time get a ACGME or dual accredited residency and avoid having to validate your education.

But honestly Burrell's clinicals are the last straw. Having a core rotation site in a foreign country and having such **** tier hospitals is unacceptable. We need to start a dialogue.
 
serenade said:
It's inevitable. In the mean time get a ACGME or dual accredited residency and avoid having to validate your education.

But honestly Burrell's clinicals are the last straw. Having a core rotation site in a foreign country and having such **** tier hospitals is unacceptable. We need to start a dialogue.
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:bow:
 
serenade said:
It's inevitable. In the mean time get a ACGME or dual accredited residency and avoid having to validate your education.

But honestly Burrell's clinicals are the last straw. Having a core rotation site in a foreign country and having such **** tier hospitals is unacceptable. We need to start a dialogue.
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Ok, how? Twitter?
 
You could contact the dean and voice concerns. His email is listed on the BCOM website, granted his spin on the topic will likely be a positive one.
 
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