CALLING ALL ACCEPTED ORMS!!!!

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So I am an Asian Indian freshman at a top 25 LAC with pretty decent 1st semester gpa. Already have my NREMT. Thinking of majoring in neuroscience with a minor in Hispanic studies. I know getting into med school is an uphill battle for me as an ORM so for those of you who were accepted what did you do during your college years to set you apart? Music, ECs, research? What are the adcoms looking for?

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There is no special "ORM formula" you should follow to get into med school. Like @Healer@1994 implied, the strategy is the same for everybody. As you probably already know, the best thing you can do for yourself is to get a high GPA/MCAT. Think of research as a bonus rather than a necessity for most schools; state schools and mid-tier schools accept many students who have no research experience. Just be an interesting candidate. Volunteer, get clinical exposure, but don't forget to do things that you enjoy--there is a spot for hobbies on the AMCAS.

As an ORM, I struggled with wrapping my head around the whole affirmative action/URM thing for a while when applying to college and thinking about med school. I got pretty salty. And then I realized that I was just being a d*ck.
 
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It's uphill for everyone.
True. But it's like climbing Everest for the ORMs. Especially male ORMs. We have to jump through so many more hoops. I'm all for diversity in the medical profession but at some point it becomes so disheartening to be rejected because of something that is out of my control.
 
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So I am an Asian Indian freshman at a top 25 LAC with pretty decent 1st semester gpa. Already have my NREMT. Thinking of majoring in neuroscience with a minor in Hispanic studies. I know getting into med school is an uphill battle for me as an ORM so for those of you who were accepted what did you do during your college years to set you apart? Music, ECs, research? What are the adcoms looking for?
 
True. But it's like climbing Everest for the ORMs. Especially male ORMs. We have to jump through so many more hoops. I'm all for diversity in the medical profession but at some point it becomes so disheartening to be rejected because of something that is out of my control.
This is a lie. It is not like climbing Everst for ORMs. More like half a point on the MCAT more compared to their white peers.
 
True. But it's like climbing Everest for the ORMs. Especially male ORMs. We have to jump through so many more hoops. I'm all for diversity in the medical profession but at some point it becomes so disheartening to be rejected because of something that is out of my control.

So many more hoops? Like what? Y'all gotta take another test after the MCAT? You seem to know a whole lot about this process for a freshmen, I'm surprised you couldn't use the search function.

Guess, what? It's disheartening as a URM as well (and for more than just this app process, but people that post things like this tend to ignore that). Imagine applying to schools that usually matriculate less than 10 students of your sex and the race. I've witnessed some classes with only 2 each year. I guess we all have hoops.
 
So many more hoops? Like what? Y'all gotta take another test after the MCAT? You seem to know a whole lot about this process for a freshmen, I'm surprised you couldn't use the search function.

Guess, what? It's disheartening as a URM as well (and for more than just this app process, but people that post things like this tend to ignore that). Imagine applying to schools that usually matriculate less than 10 students of your sex and the race. I've witnessed some classes with only 2 each year. I guess we all have hoops.

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True. But it's like climbing Everest for the ORMs. Especially male ORMs. We have to jump through so many more hoops. I'm all for diversity in the medical profession but at some point it becomes so disheartening to be rejected because of something that is out of my control.
You're totally right.

Your GPA, MCAT, undergrad prestige, ECs, LoRs, personal statement, and secondary responses are totally out of your control.

Man if only being an ORM didn't automatically mean you were pre-assigned different metrics to your application. Shucks.

Spoiler alert: you'll be rejected because you, not because some URM took your spot.
 
True. But it's like climbing Everest for the ORMs. Especially male ORMs. We have to jump through so many more hoops. I'm all for diversity in the medical profession but at some point it becomes so disheartening to be rejected because of something that is out of my control.
You are literally a freshman, you have no legitimacy to be making these claims. You just started college and you're already setting yourself up for failure by using ORM "discrimination" as a scapegoat. It's cringeworthy. ORM students are not losing spots to other students. Whether you get in is going to based on merit, hard work, and a little bit of luck. If you can't make it in after multiple attempts it has nothing to do with you being ORM and everything to do with you not being good enough.
 
True. But it's like climbing Everest for the ORMs. Especially male ORMs. We have to jump through so many more hoops. I'm all for diversity in the medical profession but at some point it becomes so disheartening to be rejected because of something that is out of my control.

I'm Asian too and I've found it really unproductive to dwell on this issue or, for that matter, to really spend too much mental energy worrying about the general "competition" for med school. I like to think of it as "this is me, and these are my experiences and my app is unique in its own way and they can either take me or leave me." Like you said, how race may or may not be viewed in admissions is out of your control and it's more productive to direct your mental energy toward finding things that you're passionate about and can talk about at length/get really excited about than devoting it to being bitter affirmative action (which I completely 100% support personally but that's another discussion). Also, as others have pointed out here, it's hard for anyone to get into med school and I think this idea that "ORMs" have to do so much more to get accepted is largely a myth. (Also, as Asians, we're privileged to generally not have to deal with random people stereotyping us as not being smart or capable or of being the "affirmative action acceptance" or even people thinking that we don't really go to a school when we walk around campus. Being cast as the "model minority" has its own issues and challenges way beyond med school admissions, of course, but I think it's important to recognize your privileges too.)

Since you're a freshman, the college admissions process is probably super fresh for you and there's just way too much hand-wringing about how race plays into college admissions. I hope that as you learn and grow in college (and I think LAC are particularly good at helping people develop personally!) you'll come to reassess this stance. This has nothing to do with med school admissions, but The Case for Reparations is a really good, relatively short read that might be a good starting point. http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/06/the-case-for-reparations/361631/

Regarding your actual question, I think that if you find activities that you really care about and pursue things that align well with your personal mission, you'll set yourself apart naturally. 🙂 Also, I personally found that I was interested in a lot of non-"typical premed" activities - I spent time working at foundations and doing nonprofit consulting and basically didn't do any research and barely any shadowing. It's certainly a less traditional path in some ways (and I definitely had my doubts at times when I was like "oh gosh why didn't I just bite the bullet and check off that box???") but I got accepted anyway. 🙂 College is such a great time to figure out what you care about - and it might not even be medicine! - and I hope you get to take advantage of and enjoy that. Best of luck!
 
I'm an Asian-American student who was just accepted to multiple med schools, probably with a similar background to yours. Honestly, I think you're blowing up your race/gender issue to a bigger problem than it actually is. Medicine is an uphill battle for everyone and schools will not screen you out because of your race! I have been to 8 interviews so far and the rooms definitely had a decent number of people with Asian heritage.

My numbers are good but not amazing, going to an ivy may have helped me in that dimension. What I think really made a difference was demonstrating my genuine and LONG TERM commitment to medicine through ECs that have given me real world experience. Don't think of your ECs as tally boxes you need to check off or coins that you stick into a vending machine until medical school falls out. You need to build a story. Get involved in things that truly interest you. Find out about issues in the community and how you can get involved in projects to solve them. If you're in a major city or close to one, I guarantee there are people with major and serious health needs living right next door.

Now, I'm not saying that to be accepted into medical school, you need to have felt the calling from Medical Valhalla since you were a wee lad. But if this is what you want to do for the rest of your life, you should get involved in interesting ways to learn what the field is truly about.
 
Are you using your NREMT to serve others?

Some believe becoming a physician is a noble call to service.

If you can't fit in travel to a third-world country to volunteer as an EMT or Paramedic, what good is having an NREMT? Seriously, did you work as a Medic/Firefighter prior to college or was getting your NREMT cert just something on your "getting into medical school one day" checklist?

Same with the Hispanic studies minor. Are you choosing this minor because you may one day encounter Spanish-speaking patients, or do you actually give a damn about the cultures you'll be studying?

I challenge you to actively seek out meaningful experiences and extracurricular activities that enrich your understanding of the human condition. Not only will this change your attitude about ORM vs. URM, it will make you an all around better person, and by proxy, a better medical school applicant.

You are more than your GPA/MCAT score.

You are more than your race, nationality, gender, age, or socioeconomic status.

You are more than your parents' experiences and expectations.

Everyone has a story to tell.

Make yours interesting.
 
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I am both white and Asian (Double ORM) & Accepted!

There is no uphill battle for ORMs & it is just as hard for URMs. I would suggest that you just do your best in regards to the MCAT and your GPA and get ~100-300 hours of each under your belt: clinical experience, service / volunteering for the long term, and research. Find something that you enjoy doing and/or are passionate about and you will be accepted at the school that is best for you. My "differentiating" extracurriculars were art and tons of service hours to my community.
 
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Damn... did the OP get banned for his ORM 'uphill battle' opinion? Weird.. oh well.

My advice would be to keep your head up. If you're that worried about not being accepted then try your absolute best to go above and beyond just average grades, EC's, and MCAT.

It also seems as if ORMs from this thread say they've made it even with setbacks. You should be fine as long as you try your best!
 
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