Calling all reapplicants with great stats!

[Zbtb7]

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Is anyone currently reapplying or knows someone who didn't get in last cycle despite great stats? (i.e. 3.6+ gpa, 21+ DAT)

If you are one or know someone, could you please give the reason(s) you think you or he/she didn't get in last cycle?

Thanks!

 

[sa012]

I am a reapplicant with 3.79 GPA and 20AA DAT...I didn't get in anywhere last cycle because I took my DAT in December, so my score was not received until after the holidays...and also I submitted my AADSAS in mid-October. Several schools told me the only reason I didn't get interviews is because my app was late..

 

[Zbtb7]

I am a reapplicant with 3.79 GPA and 20AA DAT...I didn't get in anywhere last cycle because I took my DAT in December, so my score was not received until after the holidays...and also I submitted my AADSAS in mid-October. Several schools told me the only reason I didn't get interviews is because my app was late..

And now you will apply early and get acceptances! 😀

 

[sa012]

And now you will apply early and get acceptances! 😀

Hopefully! I am trying to get my apps in by the end of this week! Good luck to all

 

[Strikeout13GB]

3.87 gpa and 21 AA and I don't know, I guess my interview didn't go as well as I thought for my 2 interviews and my app wasn't competed till early August

 

[Bis-GMA111]

strikeout, don't take this the wrong way..but you made a horrible decision by applying to only 5 schools, with 4 them being competitive state schools for OOS.
vcu was a good choice bc you're instate, but you deliberately put yourself in an uphill battle with the others.

had you applied to like...pacific, mwu, nova, nyu, bu...heck even penn and columbia.you would've at least had more interviews

 

[Zbtb7]

3.87 gpa and 21 AA and I don't know, I guess my interview didn't go as well as I thought for my 2 interviews and my app wasn't competed till early August

And now you will apply early and to many more schools to get acceptances! 😀

 

[Zbtb7]

So here's what we have so far for explanations of why people weren't accepted:

-late application
-applied to too few and too competitive schools

Any folks with great stats not get in last cycle due to a different reason? Step up! MOAR reapplicants!

 

[CedarZ4]

So here's what we have so far for explanations of why people weren't accepted:

-late application
-applied to too few and too competitive schools

Any folks with great stats not get in last cycle due to a different reason? Step up! MOAR reapplicants!

Don't forget

-Poor interview skills/personality
-Red flag on application (arrest, academic dishonesty, etc.)

 

[Zbtb7]

Don't forget

-Poor interview skills/personality
-Red flag on application (arrest, academic dishonesty, etc.)

Nobody has volunteered themselves as being an applicant with one of these traits... yet.

 

[scsc7211]

strikeout, don't take this the wrong way..but you made a horrible decision by applying to only 5 schools, with 4 them being competitive state schools for OOS.
vcu was a good choice bc you're instate, but you deliberately put yourself in an uphill battle with the others.

had you applied to like...pacific, mwu, nova, nyu, bu...heck even penn and columbia.you would've at least had more interviews

So I'm not a reapplicant, but am also a WI resident. 3.7oGPA and 23AA

Current list:
UOP
UConn
Iowa
Michigan
Minnesota
SUNY Buffalo
OSU
Marquette

Would it be wise to swap out a state school/add Nova Southeastern to my list to avoid a similar fate?

 

[Bis-GMA111]

i mean i'm no expert, but i've talked to A LOT of adcom members for like the past 5 months. i actually had like a 40 minute talk with a nova adcom member. really nice lady

nova receives A LOT of applications. they really look for high gpas (which you have) and 20+ dat scores (their avg for last year's incoming class was a 20.something with a 3.7 overall/science gpa). they also give more weight to graduate gpas.

but you need to be careful. schools have rejected people with superb stats bc they think that they wouldn't give the school the time of day. given your stats, every school on your list is a solid choice.

 

[scsc7211]

Alright, thanks for the input. Just to be sure, are you saying that Nova would be a toss up because I am bordering on their average stats for an interview, in combination with the large number of applicants?

Also, is it risky that 5/8 I am applying to are OOS state schools? I know there are many other people with ~3.7 GPAs and 20+ AAs, so I would rather err on the side of caution. Note that I tried to choose schools that are reasonably affordable even for OOS.

 

[Bis-GMA111]

Alright, thanks for the input. Just to be sure, are you saying that Nova would be a toss up because I am bordering on their average stats for an interview, in combination with the large number of applicants?

Also, is it risky that 5/8 I am applying to are OOS state schools? I know there are many other people with ~3.7 GPAs and 20+ AAs, so I would rather err on the side of caution. Note that I tried to choose schools that are reasonably affordable even for OOS.

no, i'm not saying that it would be a toss up bc of that. your stats are great, you would probably get an interview. i'm saying that they may/may not admit you because with a 23 AA and 3.7, they'd probably think that you'd spend ~90k going to a better school bc you'd have the capability of getting in to a more prestigious school. by all means, apply to nova. i'm only expressing my opinion here. with your stats, i'd think about adding penn or columbia.


also, are you taking a risk with those state schools? i mean..yeah, but your stats are so good to the point where you'd still be competitive. i highly doubt you'd have a problem getting into minnesota or michigan. UConn and OSU might be a little tougher. anyone else wanna chime in on this?

edit: my advice: add nova if you'd like. if i were you, i'd add penn, columbia, and NYU. you can def get some money from NYU with those stats. i also feel like nyu is a safer bet than nova. but thats just me.

 

[scsc7211]

http://dent.osu.edu/admissions/COST%20of%20ATTENDANCE%20-%202011.pdf

According to this PDF, the 4 year cost at NYU is around 400k. I am not familiar with the scholarships that are available, but it looks like it would take about 80-100k in scholarships to bring it within the prices of the other schools (not considering Penn and Colombia). Any idea about the range of scholarships that are typically offered by NYU for students with similar stats?

Also, I'm sure this topic has been pulverized already, but for somebody like myself who is on the more conservative side with finances, is a Penn/Colombia education worth the significantly higher price? Again, I know it is all subjective and that everybody must make up their own mind, but I would love to hear some people weigh in!

 

[Bis-GMA111]

if finances are that important to you, and you're a well rounded applicant...

consider applying to some texas schools

 

[AwesomeTeeth]

if finances are that important to you, and you're a well rounded applicant...

consider applying to some texas schools

Most of the time I would say that's crazy talk. But the guy actually has really good stats. I would also recommend applying to Texas schools if you want a great education at a low price.

 

[scsc7211]

Thanks guys. From what I gather, Baylor would be the best shot (11/1330 OOS enrolled in the 2011 cycle). I can just imagine the ridiculousness of the stats of those 11 people.

I think I'm a pretty swell guy, but man, those are some sneaky numbers.

 

[Zbtb7]

Has anyone not gotten in due to not having enough extracurriculars? (not including shadowing, i.e. volunteering+clubs+community service).

 

[lululime]

Is anyone currently reapplying or knows someone who didn't get in last cycle despite great stats? (i.e. 3.6+ gpa, 21+ DAT)

If you are one or know someone, could you please give the reason(s) you think you or he/she didn't get in last cycle?

Thanks!

cockiness

 

[Tirekicker]

So I'm not a reapplicant, but am also a WI resident. 3.7oGPA and 23AA

Current list:
UOP
UConn
Iowa
Michigan
Minnesota
SUNY Buffalo
OSU
Marquette

Would it be wise to swap out a state school/add Nova Southeastern to my list to avoid a similar fate?

 

[scsc7211]

Guilty. 😀

 

[Zbtb7]

Guilty. 😀

Care to contribute to the original thread? 🙂
Do you know anyone who didn't get in despite great stats and if so, what is the probable reason? Or have all of the people you've known gotten in (which would be pretty cool to know)?

 

[scsc7211]

Care to contribute to the original thread? 🙂
Do you know anyone who didn't get in despite great stats and the probable reason? Or have all of the people you've known gotten in (which would be pretty cool to know)?

Hey sorry for commandeering your thread (distasteful move on my part).

As I mentioned, I am a Wisconsin resident, but have dental/pre-dental friends that are in both Minnesota and Wisconsin. The only recent denial that I recall was the result of a couple of distasteful, though sincere, answers to some interview questions. This person did not have such high stats, however. Everybody that I know with stats similar to those you stated in the original post have been admitted. Best of luck! 👍

 

[Zbtb7]

Hey sorry for commandeering your thread (distasteful move on my part).

As I mentioned, I am a Wisconsin resident, but have dental/pre-dental friends that are in both Minnesota and Wisconsin. The only recent denial that I recall was the result of a couple of distasteful, though sincere, answers to some interview questions. This person did not have such high stats, however. Everybody that I know with stats similar to those you stated in the original post have been admitted. Best of luck! 👍

Everyone I know here in New England with your stats have been admitted on their first cycle as well. Good luck to your too sir! 👍

 

[theleatherwalle]

rejections can happen for any reason.

Admissions are not fair. I just want to state that. If you think they are fair, I am going to say you havn't been through the process yet.

A school can deny you for any reason.

The most common reasons for people with high stats getting denied
1: something bad on their personal record
2: poor interview or people skills
3: They are not a right fit for the school.

I know number 3 sounds cheesy, but honestly if you are not a right fit for the school you will not enjoy your experience there. Loma Linda is one example that comes to mind. Do not take admissions personally. Sometimes people with lower stats than you get in. You may even get rejected from the same school where someone with lower stats got in even with higher stats, but that is the nature of the game. it has many unknowns.

 

[Tirekicker]

rejections can happen for any reason.

Admissions are not fair. I just want to state that. If you think they are fair, I am going to say you havn't been through the process yet.

A school can deny you for any reason.

The most common reasons for people with high stats getting denied
1: something bad on their personal record
2: poor interview or people skills
3: They are not a right fit for the school.

Those are all legit. It takes a lot more than good grades to be a successful dentist. Certainly, the system has its flaws, but if someone who has good grades/test scores is rejected because they are a terrible interviewer, it's not unfair. As healthcare providers, people skills are essential. We work on real people.

 

[theleatherwalle]

Those are all legit. It takes a lot more than good grades to be a successful dentist. Certainly, the system has its flaws, but if someone who has good grades/test scores is rejected because they are a terrible interviewer, it's not unfair. As healthcare providers, people skills are essential. We work on real people.

I agree. My main point was to say admissions are not fair.

I've seen terrible applicants get accepted, and I seen great applicants get rejected. Some of it has been mind blowing. I agree people skills are needed. I just want to reiterate a few points.

Don't take a rejection personally

Do not try to figure out why you were rejected. It will drive you mad.

Don't get upset when people with lower DATs or GPAs or other things get in. Again admissions are not fair. He/she may know someone, they may have had a family member that went to that school or knows someone at that school, other factors could have played into it, and last but not least URM.

The fastest path to dental school is large donation to the dean. 😀

Work hard stay positive to all my applicants!

 

[Zbtb7]

I agree. My main point was to say admissions are not fair.

I've seen terrible applicants get accepted, and I seen great applicants get rejected. Some of it has been mind blowing. I agree people skills are needed. I just want to reiterate a few points.

Don't take a rejection personally

Do not try to figure out why you were rejected. It will drive you mad.

Don't get upset when people with lower DATs or GPAs or other things get in. Again admissions are not fair. He/she may know someone, they may have had a family member that went to that school or knows someone at that school, other factors could have played into it, and last but not least URM.

The fastest path to dental school is large donation to the dean. 😀

Work hard stay positive to all my applicants!

I understand that professional school admission is a crapshoot. But do you guys know people with great stats who didn't get accepted to ANY school they applied to? Have you heard of people who didn't get in because they didn't have enough extracurriculars (not counting shadowing)? The only person on this board that seem to fit this profile was Pluto130 and he disappeared.

 

[nguyenq09]

I am in the application process, filling out supplemental apps as I get them. I am a repeat applicant;I tried to graduate with a BS biology and BA in Chemistry early in 3 years but was not accepted.
Im from NC and applying to both schools here and 13 OOS schools that are mostly private or have a close 50/50 OOS acceptance

total GPA: 3.82
science GPA: 3.8

DAT AA: 21
total science: 20
PAT:19

150+ hours of dental experience ( shadowing and volunteering)
230 hours of total volunteering
320 hours in research (Summer Biomedical Research Program)

fairly decent committee letter ( They edited the previous letter)

a number of honor organizations

 

[Zbtb7]

I am in the application process, filling out supplemental apps as I get them. I am a repeat applicant;I tried to graduate with a BS biology and BA in Chemistry early in 3 years but was not accepted.
Im from NC and applying to both schools here and 13 OOS schools that are mostly private or have a close 50/50 OOS acceptance

total GPA: 3.82
science GPA: 3.8

DAT AA: 21
total science: 20
PAT:19

150+ hours of dental experience ( shadowing and volunteering)
230 hours of total volunteering
320 hours in research (Summer Biomedical Research Program)

fairly decent committee letter ( They edited the previous letter)

a number of honor organizations

Wow, you've got great stats and ECs. Did you apply as you were entering your Junior year? I think that's may be the reason you weren't accepted.

Schools have ridiculously higher standards for people who apply early.

Exhibit A- University of Pittsburgh: Early admission, while not advised, will with the completion of at least 90 semester hours, be considered providing that the applicant has achieved a desired minimum QPA of 3.9 (both science and non-science) and a minimal score of 24 on each section of the DAT.