Can a below average student still beast step 1?

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Dear Wordead,
I sincerely apologize. I took way too much of my prescribed Adderall on Tuesday during my board exam.
The side effects of long term amphetamines cause aggression, irritability and confusion. (This is also seen in people who OD on it.)
At the time I wrote those bizarre posts I got angry at southernsurgeon for saying "did you lose your medication"
and I saw that you had included my original post as a quote in your post....
so I thought you were agreeing with southernsurgeon.

Therefore, that's what happened.
Very sorry. And yes, I'm ok now. Damn adderall took forever to leave my system.
 
Dear Wordead,
I sincerely apologize. I took way too much of my prescribed Adderall on Tuesday during my board exam.
The side effects of long term amphetamines cause aggression, irritability and confusion. (This is also seen in people who OD on it.)
At the time I wrote those bizarre posts I got angry at southernsurgeon for saying "did you lose your medication"
and I saw that you had included my original post as a quote in your post....
so I thought you were agreeing with southernsurgeon.

Therefore, that's what happened.
Very sorry. And yes, I'm ok now. Damn adderall took forever to leave my system.

lol
 
I'll be the hero for all the people that BSed their way thru preclinicals only to get a 90th percentile Step 1.

Just because a few people do it doesn't mean it's a reasonable expectation for everyone who has been making a less-than-full effort in MS1/MS2 to get a fabulous Step 1 score. To think this way is a bit of "I'm a special snowflake" going on.
 
That has not been my experience nor those of my friends. I guess I hang out with the underachievers.

Or you're just more efficient than most.

In general, I think efficiency trumps all. At the same time, you still need to put in some baseline time with the material. However long that takes will vary from person to person based on how fast they initially process the material, how many times they need to review it, etc.
 
I would also say we've moved well beyond junior high, where being the cool kid means bragging about how little you have to work.

I will freely admit that I am a bit of a geek for medicine, particularly surgery, and I work my ass off to learn as much about it as I possibly can, because I am genuinely want to know as much about my field as possible.

You don't impress me by constantly bragging about how little effort you have to put in. Quite the opposite actually.
oh darn it
 
oh darn it

meanwhile he himself said he got average grades and a high step 1. not to mention he says carribeans are a joke because they give kids a false sense of hope, yet now he's dr surgeon where if you don't work 16 hours a day you're a loser. so much irony its unbelievable
 
And yet if I had to pick someone to be MY surgeon or MY colleague, I'm picking him every time.


My prediction for July's post in the Step 1 forum:

Well guys, got my score report back today - 233 on the real deal. I was a below average student but managed to score above average on the boards, so this proves it can be done! I'm happy with my score because it's good enough to match into XYZ.

Slow clap.
 
F*ck you ya sanctimonious prick. You're probably too wrapped up in striving for the top in your class to realize everyone hates you and your ****ty personality.
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Uncalled for.

Operaman has consistently been one of the most helpful posters on this site. But yeah, I'm sure he's the one with the personality problem here. :eyebrow:
 
That has not been my experience nor those of my friends. I guess I hang out with the underachievers.
Agreed. I'm actually quite surprised with how little studying I get away with. I'm sure it's going to bite me come STEP1 time but.....

I would also say we've moved well beyond junior high, where being the cool kid means bragging about how little you have to work.

I will freely admit that I am a bit of a geek for medicine, particularly surgery, and I work my ass off to learn as much about it as I possibly can, because I am genuinely want to know as much about my field as possible.

You don't impress me by constantly bragging about how little effort you have to put in. Quite the opposite actually.
It would much more concerning that people don't put forth much effort in the first 2 years, if our actual education made any sense at all. Can you honestly tell me you remember every aspect of the krebs cycle you were forced to memorize? Or that it makes any sense at all that I need to memorize 11q:23 deletion signifies myeloid leukemia....for, ya know, those times when I can do genetic testing/karyotyping but don't have a reference or internet access. I'm very much over the "memorize for memorize sake" medical school dictum. If you're unimpressed that some of us aren't wasting our time in school making sure that we have every single trans-location memorized for a licensing exam who's results are being abused in ways they were never intended to be, then that's fine. But I think it's well within our rights to complain about how poorly medical education is executed, and vent frustration when we're accused of apathy given that every other generation has gone before us and made the exact same complaints then proceeded to do absolutely nothing about the whole ridiculous state of affairs.
 
Agreed. I'm actually quite surprised with how little studying I get away with. I'm sure it's going to bite me come STEP1 time but.....


It would much more concerning that people don't put forth much effort in the first 2 years, if our actual education made any sense at all. Can you honestly tell me you remember every aspect of the krebs cycle you were forced to memorize? Or that it makes any sense at all that I need to memorize 11q:23 deletion signifies myeloid leukemia....for, ya know, those times when I can do genetic testing/karyotyping but don't have a reference or internet access. I'm very much over the "memorize for memorize sake" medical school dictum. If you're unimpressed that some of us aren't wasting our time in school making sure that we have every single trans-location memorized for a licensing exam who's results are being abused in ways they were never intended to be, then that's fine. But I think it's well within our rights to complain about how poorly medical education is executed, and vent frustration when we're accused of apathy given that every other generation has gone before us and made the exact same complaints then proceeded to do absolutely nothing about the whole ridiculous state of affairs.

I often wonder how I would change medical education given our ability to so easily look things up today (or have Watson look it up for us). While it seems like teaching the minutiae isn't as important anymore, I wonder how we could teach the material enough that physicians understand it and know what to test for and what it means in the grander scheme of things after they do look it up. I think if it were up to me, I would actually increase the amount and scope of the basic science curriculum and include more minutiae, but then design exams where the questions truly test clinical thinking and integration of all the concepts and minutiae, but then permit students to use UpToDate and any collection of books like AccessMedicine or MDConsult. Tests would be timed so students would need to know it well enough to work quickly, but could self-titrate the learning of minutiae knowing that they can look up something if needed. Students could figure out for themselves how much detail they need to memorize as it would probably vary. I think we'll actually see some school exams start going this way. The basic medical sciences are expanding at such a rapid rate -- I'm seeing new drugs in the hospital that we didn't even talk about in pharm 1.5 years ago! -- that we'll have to get better at using our instructional hours more wisely.
 
I often wonder how I would change medical education given our ability to so easily look things up today (or have Watson look it up for us). While it seems like teaching the minutiae isn't as important anymore, I wonder how we could teach the material enough that physicians understand it and know what to test for and what it means in the grander scheme of things after they do look it up. I think if it were up to me, I would actually increase the amount and scope of the basic science curriculum and include more minutiae, but then design exams where the questions truly test clinical thinking and integration of all the concepts and minutiae, but then permit students to use UpToDate and any collection of books like AccessMedicine or MDConsult. Tests would be timed so students would need to know it well enough to work quickly, but could self-titrate the learning of minutiae knowing that they can look up something if needed. Students could figure out for themselves how much detail they need to memorize as it would probably vary. I think we'll actually see some school exams start going this way. The basic medical sciences are expanding at such a rapid rate -- I'm seeing new drugs in the hospital that we didn't even talk about in pharm 1.5 years ago! -- that we'll have to get better at using our instructional hours more wisely.

Don't get me wrong, I'm as aware as anyone of the need to have some ideas/concepts down stone cold. You miss a tummy ache abruptly becoming sharp RLQ pain, things can go south quick. But how often have you sat through an hour long lecture that could have been summed up in about 5 slides w/3 bullet points a piece? Is it 100% necessary I know what squamous cell carcinoma looks like on a slide given I have no intention of going into path? Or would it be enough for me to recognize concerning lesions, hx, and sx so that I can order the biopsy, and let the expert who's job it is to look at these things day in and day out determine cell line/origin?

I don't know, part of it is M2 fatigue heading into boards, but it seems like this year has just been BS-strokefest block after block. Crap I know, beyond any shadow of a doubt, I will never again see in my life unless I go into that exact specialty, and even then maybe not. Our medical education system is setup to train generalists, and that just doesn't exist anymore. Medicine is hyper-specialization central, and unless you go into primary care you can very easily forget 60% of the junk you paid an exorbitant amount of money to be told to memorize. It's particularly annoying when ever damned clinician who comes into read their PP slides to you, because they haven't seen them since last year when they gave this one lecture they are forced to, tells you they're going to teach you "real things" so that you can be "good to go on wards" and "Not just pass a standardized test". Well, screw you buddy. That "standardized test" determines whether I get to pick what I want to do for the rest of my life, or work in a field I don't like for the rest of my life. So, no, I don't give two ****s if I'm an incompetent boob the second I'm done with Step 1- I'll cross that bridge when I get there. And, pro-tip, if you and every other clinician thinks step 1 isn't preparing us for real-world medicine, why are you still using it as a basis to grant residency interviews? Would the world truly end if step 1 was pass fail, especially as it is a licensing exam and was never intended to be used as a metric of knowledge/worth/value?

What, I think, irks me the most is that the segmented hyper-specialized nature of medicine is driven by a very realistic and honest admission on the part of the professionals in our industry: you do well what you do often. And so once we jump through all the idiotic hoops of "medical school", we do what we probably should have been doing the whole time- learning by doing. When I interviewed at USHS they summed it up perfectly when addressing a persons concern about school and war "You won't go into active service while you're in medical school, we won't interrupt your education for that. Why would we? You're basically of no use to us until residency." (paraphrase, it's been 2+years). No one actually believes medical school prepares you to be a physician. Medical school prepares you to be a resident, where you learn to be a physician. And residency programs are acknowledgements that you learn best through exposure and repetition. Which is exactly the opposite of the rapid fire, cram-tastic way medical school is setup.
 
Medical school teaches you the language of medicine. It's all good and well to think that you're going to be a pediatric endocrinologist with a narrow scope of practice but are you going to forget everything you learned about MIs because you're not seeing a patient with it everyday? What are you going to do when an oncologist starts talking to you about your patient's acute lymphoblastic leukemia, are you going to tell them that it was low yield in medical school and you didn't think it was important so you decided not to learn about it? The best doctors know things about what other doctors do. When you get a consult, you need to understand why and how to get the consult properly. You need to understand how other doctors think and their role in patient care as well as how it compliments what you do. That's the entire point of medical school. As a medical studnet, you need to know what drugs are, how they work and when to use them. You don't need to know dosing or what randomized control trial says this about that.

The people who do well on step 1 generally are the smarter ones. It's a standardized test that every medical student takes so you can use it to compare between people. It's an objective and universal surrogate for quality. Is it perfect? Not even close. But the real question that program directors are asking is can this person pass our boards? Will they be a good doctor? Will they be a good fit for our specialty? The point of step 1 isn't to get a 240 or whatever random number you decided will be your cut-off to support your vanity. It's to test the knowledge base that you built up over the first two years and maintain the high minimum level of competence that we expect from our physicians
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm as aware as anyone of the need to have some ideas/concepts down stone cold. You miss a tummy ache abruptly becoming sharp RLQ pain, things can go south quick. But how often have you sat through an hour long lecture that could have been summed up in about 5 slides w/3 bullet points a piece? Is it 100% necessary I know what squamous cell carcinoma looks like on a slide given I have no intention of going into path? Or would it be enough for me to recognize concerning lesions, hx, and sx so that I can order the biopsy, and let the expert who's job it is to look at these things day in and day out determine cell line/origin?

I don't know, part of it is M2 fatigue heading into boards, but it seems like this year has just been BS-strokefest block after block. Crap I know, beyond any shadow of a doubt, I will never again see in my life unless I go into that exact specialty, and even then maybe not. Our medical education system is setup to train generalists, and that just doesn't exist anymore. Medicine is hyper-specialization central, and unless you go into primary care you can very easily forget 60% of the junk you paid an exorbitant amount of money to be told to memorize. It's particularly annoying when ever damned clinician who comes into read their PP slides to you, because they haven't seen them since last year when they gave this one lecture they are forced to, tells you they're going to teach you "real things" so that you can be "good to go on wards" and "Not just pass a standardized test". Well, screw you buddy. That "standardized test" determines whether I get to pick what I want to do for the rest of my life, or work in a field I don't like for the rest of my life. So, no, I don't give two ****s if I'm an incompetent boob the second I'm done with Step 1- I'll cross that bridge when I get there. And, pro-tip, if you and every other clinician thinks step 1 isn't preparing us for real-world medicine, why are you still using it as a basis to grant residency interviews? Would the world truly end if step 1 was pass fail, especially as it is a licensing exam and was never intended to be used as a metric of knowledge/worth/value?

What, I think, irks me the most is that the segmented hyper-specialized nature of medicine is driven by a very realistic and honest admission on the part of the professionals in our industry: you do well what you do often. And so once we jump through all the idiotic hoops of "medical school", we do what we probably should have been doing the whole time- learning by doing. When I interviewed at USHS they summed it up perfectly when addressing a persons concern about school and war "You won't go into active service while you're in medical school, we won't interrupt your education for that. Why would we? You're basically of no use to us until residency." (paraphrase, it's been 2+years). No one actually believes medical school prepares you to be a physician. Medical school prepares you to be a resident, where you learn to be a physician. And residency programs are acknowledgements that you learn best through exposure and repetition. Which is exactly the opposite of the rapid fire, cram-tastic way medical school is setup.

I think you may be underestimating just how much of a generalist every specialist is expected to be. What you learn in MS2 about the histological appearance of SCCa is about as basic and general as it gets -- the pathologists take it much further but they don't make you learn that unless you go into that field. But, knowing its basic appearance, the difference between well- vs moderately- vs poor- differentiated, knowing the concept of how squamous cancers go through the the various stages up to carcinoma in situ and then invade -- all of this guides staging and management principles in every field that encounters squamous cancers. While you may not have to make the diagnosis from the slide, you will have to talk with the pathologists about it, read and understand their report, and interact with other clinicians who are helping treating it.

I think you may be pleasantly surprised next year to see how often you use much of what seems so meaningless now. You'll see that the truly brilliant physicians in every field are the ones who have a generalists knowledge base alongside their specialty expertise. You'll also meet the duds who just go through the motions learned via rote repetition -- these are the ones that will eventually be replaced by less expensive providers. The educational model you propose is actually have we train NPs, PAs, and CRNAs, so if you find yourself one day not using much higher level clinical thinking or skills, you are probably going to get replaced.
 
I think you may be underestimating just how much of a generalist every specialist is expected to be. What you learn in MS2 about the histological appearance of SCCa is about as basic and general as it gets -- the pathologists take it much further but they don't make you learn that unless you go into that field. But, knowing its basic appearance, the difference between well- vs moderately- vs poor- differentiated, knowing the concept of how squamous cancers go through the the various stages up to carcinoma in situ and then invade -- all of this guides staging and management principles in every field that encounters squamous cancers. While you may not have to make the diagnosis from the slide, you will have to talk with the pathologists about it, read and understand their report, and interact with other clinicians who are helping treating it.

I think you may be pleasantly surprised next year to see how often you use much of what seems so meaningless now. You'll see that the truly brilliant physicians in every field are the ones who have a generalists knowledge base alongside their specialty expertise. You'll also meet the duds who just go through the motions learned via rote repetition -- these are the ones that will eventually be replaced by less expensive providers. The educational model you propose is actually have we train NPs, PAs, and CRNAs, so if you find yourself one day not using much higher level clinical thinking or skills, you are probably going to get replaced.

Was going to post something in response to Psai's snarky comment above, but I'm going to avoid feeding the troll for now. Yes, I'm aware what I'm proposing is similar to NP/PA/CRNAs training. I suggest that, because their model is drafted off of the residency model of training. The AMA's claim is that our basic sciences knowledge is what sets us apart from those other models, and I'm not saying that's wrong. What I am saying is that there's nothing in the first 2 years that mandates you actually being in a medical school. Fortunately, I think that realization may actually make its way to reality as nearly every school is implementing or has implemented some sort of lecture capture system for the first 2 years. Consistently the top performers in our class show up for tests and aren't seen otherwise. There's a reason for that: the teachers that are actually good enough to warrant being called teachers are few and far between. The rest feel some obligation to fill their hour time slot by piling on information that is in no way useful in dx or tx, or at least background that helps us understand the rational for dx and tx. So the vast majority of your time is spent trying to parse slides/outlines and figure out what is relevent and what is not. Pretty well the exact opposite that we as students need.

I won't go into personal anecdotes about teaching, education, curriculum and instruction but suffice it to say I'm intimately familiar with how education works, and medical education pretty well breaks every rule for successful teaching (at least thus far). Of course, it doesn't matter all that much in the long run, because nearly w/o exception we were in the top 10% of undergrad students. You could literally put a chimp sans diaper in front of the room, and we'd learn in-spite of the chimp. We had a "lecturer", I **** you not, copy/paste robins onto his PP slides and read them to us. This was after he had had to postpone his lecture because he wasn't prepared the first time. That's not teaching, let alone effective teaching. I really don't ask much, the breadth of knowledge we need to know is staggering. I accepted that burden when I decided on this path. But there's a reason First Aid, Pathoma, Golgin are so popular: you don't need an extensive depth of knowledge in every subject. You need to know some halmarks and have very general ideas about a lot of things, so that your differential runeth over. What you don't need to know is BS minutia that is of no value when clinically evaluating a pt right in front of you, which is pretty heavily weighted on STEP 1.
 
look at this precocious second year medical student, lecturing us about what you need to know about clinically evaluating a patient
 
Was going to post something in response to Psai's snarky comment above, but I'm going to avoid feeding the troll for now. Yes, I'm aware what I'm proposing is similar to NP/PA/CRNAs training. I suggest that, because their model is drafted off of the residency model of training. The AMA's claim is that our basic sciences knowledge is what sets us apart from those other models, and I'm not saying that's wrong. What I am saying is that there's nothing in the first 2 years that mandates you actually being in a medical school. Fortunately, I think that realization may actually make its way to reality as nearly every school is implementing or has implemented some sort of lecture capture system for the first 2 years. Consistently the top performers in our class show up for tests and aren't seen otherwise. There's a reason for that: the teachers that are actually good enough to warrant being called teachers are few and far between. The rest feel some obligation to fill their hour time slot by piling on information that is in no way useful in dx or tx, or at least background that helps us understand the rational for dx and tx. So the vast majority of your time is spent trying to parse slides/outlines and figure out what is relevent and what is not. Pretty well the exact opposite that we as students need.

I won't go into personal anecdotes about teaching, education, curriculum and instruction but suffice it to say I'm intimately familiar with how education works, and medical education pretty well breaks every rule for successful teaching (at least thus far). Of course, it doesn't matter all that much in the long run, because nearly w/o exception we were in the top 10% of undergrad students. You could literally put a chimp sans diaper in front of the room, and we'd learn in-spite of the chimp. We had a "lecturer", I **** you not, copy/paste robins onto his PP slides and read them to us. This was after he had had to postpone his lecture because he wasn't prepared the first time. That's not teaching, let alone effective teaching. I really don't ask much, the breadth of knowledge we need to know is staggering. I accepted that burden when I decided on this path. But there's a reason First Aid, Pathoma, Golgin are so popular: you don't need an extensive depth of knowledge in every subject. You need to know some halmarks and have very general ideas about a lot of things, so that your differential runeth over. What you don't need to know is BS minutia that is of no value when clinically evaluating a pt right in front of you, which is pretty heavily weighted on STEP 1.
ITT: preclinical students explaining what is "clinically relevant". Comedy gold!

And btw, watching lectures from home is, for all intents and purposes, still attending lecture.
 
Yes, yes. I'm x years behind you ergo have no valid opinions or ideas. How is your Epeeen measuring today?
 
What you don't need to know is BS minutia that is of no value when clinically evaluating a pt right in front of you, which is pretty heavily weighted on STEP 1.

Reading a patient case in a book/test bank is not the same as seeing a patient in real life. Knowing the BS minutia, will help guide your questioning and help expand your differential. Yes, not every doctor needs to know EVERYTHING OR EVERY MINUTIA. However, don't kid yourself thinking you won't ever need to know minutia during clinical practice.
 
I love the spacing that this guy uses in his posts. It's like I'm reading a psych patient's manic poetry.

Geez. I f&cking work my ass off to push past dyslexia and ADHD and get through Medical school........but it doesn't mean a damn because i'm always going to get called crazy.
From the way people have been responding to my posts I'm guessing most of you are dudes in your mid to late 20's and you think I'm a dude too.

I'm not a guy. Lol. But I'm actually kinda flattered that you thought I was. I'm a hot asian chick.
 
Geez. I f&cking work my ass off to push past dyslexia and ADHD and get through Medical school........but it doesn't mean a damn because i'm always going to get called crazy.
From the way people have been responding to my posts I'm guessing most of you are dudes in your mid to late 20's and you think I'm a dude too.

I'm not a guy. Lol. But I'm actually kinda flattered that you thought I was. I'm a hot asian chick.
Wanna meet up?
 
Plus.....how did this thread go from helping the original poster into this crazy cluster-f@ck?
I was only trying to help her see that everyone is working hard and she shouldn't feel so down about her 2nd year grades. I think we are all intelligent and it doesn't matter how we got here.
Go ahead....Lol at me some more. Keep calling me crazy.
At least you're not calling me worse things :beat:
:wtf:
 
I'm just putting a placeholder here so this cartoon will show up in my "participated threads" feed
ASIII was a disappointment but whatever
 
He always does this. It's outside his realm of possibility for someone to be lazy and also smart and a good test taker. I had a 3.5 GPA from a ****ty school and got a 38 on my MCAT after some half-assed studying for 3 weeks. I currently cram for every one of my med school tests and am 3rd quartile but I guarantee I'll break a 250.
Just as an aside, if the only thing keeping you from being first quartile is last minute cramming, then why not stop cramming? I hope you do crack 250, but at least at my school there was a direct statistical correlation between preclinical grades and Step 1 scores. Might be different based on school and grading scheme.

I'm trying to be as objective about this as possible. You're claiming there's a huge correlation between grades and step 1. If that was true, then step 1 wouldn't be significant at all. PDs wouldn't care about step 1 if it hugely correlated with your class grades, since they could just look at your grades. There's a reason step 1 is a HUGE % of the overall application. It factors in intelligence much more than grades do, just like all standardized tests.
PDs don't care about preclinical grades because many schools actively hide them. They have no choice but to go to the next thing, Step 1 scores.
meanwhile he himself said he got average grades and a high step 1. not to mention he says carribeans are a joke because they give kids a false sense of hope, yet now he's dr surgeon where if you don't work 16 hours a day you're a loser. so much irony its unbelievable
You forgot sanctimonius, bordering on pompous/arrogant, only to be rivaled by mimelim. SS's class' average was a 240, and likely attended a top 10 school, because most schools don't have that high of an average. Carribean med schools do give a false sense of hope.

Very few medical schools are Pass/Fail in the first 2 years, just the top ones. Most schools have some type of grading scale.
 
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Just as an aside, if the only thing keeping you from being first quartile is last minute cramming, then why not stop cramming? I hope you do crack 250, but at least at my school there was a direct statistical correlation between preclinical grades and Step 1 scores. Might be different based on school and grading scheme.


PDs don't care about preclinical grades because many schools actively hide them. They have no choice but to go to the next thing, Step 1 scores.

You forgot sanctimonius, bordering on pompous/arrogant, only to be rivaled by mimelim. SS's class' average was a 240, and likely attended a top 10 school, because most schools don't have that high of an average. Carribean med schools do give a false sense of hope.

Very few medical schools are Pass/Fail in the first 2 years, just the top ones. Most schools have some type of grading scale.

who cares lol

i like southernim. i don't really like mimelim but i have a ton of respect for him
 
Yeah, it's definitely a little hyperbole for the sake of example, but not without precedent. There are definitely stories passed around here and elsewhere about people putting up ridiculous scores despite poor class performance. That's somewhat beside the point though.

I would take issue with your main point - a 250+ is NOT a doable score for an average or below average student. Obviously more attainable than a 270, but still highly unlikely. According to published norms tables, 250+ starts crossing the 90th percentile, with 255 being the 92nd percentile and 260 being 96th. While there may be some average students scoring that high, they are almost certainly in the minority. Going from <50th percentile in your class to ~90th percentile nationally is quite a leap.

The only people I know who did this were very good students who, early on, made a decision to focus all their efforts on boards and just pass classes. Without exception, they put in as many or more hours doing this each week than the top class students did focusing on our school's exams. In the end, we all put in similar hours and hit similar board scores, but the higher-performing in class students got AOA too.

In the end, anyone who wants to put up scores in the top 10% of students nationally will have to put in more effort than the other 90% if we assuming generally similar levels of intellect. Below average students will not beast step 1 unless they make radical changes and start being above average. The Step 1 forum (and my PM inbox) is full of freakouts by people who can't understand why their practice NBMEs are stuck below 220 or 230 and asking how to break 240 or 250.
I know some people who tell me study hard in your classes and learn as much as you can because that will be extremely helpful for the boards, but here you are saying the people who did the best kind of brushed classes off to the sides. How do I reconcile this, lol?
 
I know some people who tell me study hard in your classes and learn as much as you can because that will be extremely helpful for the boards, but here you are saying the people who did the best kind of brushed classes off to the sides. How do I reconcile this, lol?
That's literally the antithesis of what he said.
 
I know some people who tell me study hard in your classes and learn as much as you can because that will be extremely helpful for the boards, but here you are saying the people who did the best kind of brushed classes off to the sides. How do I reconcile this, lol?

Well first I would give it a closer read. That should make it clear that the high scorers who blew off classes were the rare exception, and those who did were already strong students scoring 95+ on class exams who simply decided to try a different way AND that they studied as much or more than the rest of us who focused on class work (ie. It's not a shortcut). Those of us who kept up with classes and continued to do well almost all scored over 250 with many us in the 260s. We were already in the top 10% of our class, so it's no surprise we scored above that percentile nationally.

Best thing to do imo is focus on crushing it in classes but keep an eye on the boards. Lots of posts in the step 1 forum about how people do this.
 
He always does this. It's outside his realm of possibility for someone to be lazy and also smart and a good test taker. I had a 3.5 GPA from a ****ty school and got a 38 on my MCAT after some half-assed studying for 3 weeks. I currently cram for every one of my med school tests and am 3rd quartile but I guarantee I'll break a 250.
Someone remind me to come back to this thread in July and post screenshots of my transcript and score report.
I'll be the hero for all the people that BSed their way thru preclinicals only to get a 90th percentile Step 1.
My prediction for July's post in the Step 1 forum:

Well guys, got my score report back today - 233 on the real deal. I was a below average student but managed to score above average on the boards, so this proves it can be done! I'm happy with my score because it's good enough to match into XYZ.

Slow clap.
:thinking:
 
Guys, OP is waiting for the score report... clearly.
 
bump
waiting for you serous demilune
i'm hoping for another chance to say i told you so like circulos vitios
 
///Edit: er, ok, I didn't notice this was an old thread.
 
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Please don't let this thread rest until SD comes a post the score report like he said he would. A man should be honest to his word, win, lose, or draw.
 
And this thread is depressing. I remember when I realized there comes a point where you can't just outwork everybody and climb from the bottom of the class to the top. Maybe in undergrad you can do that, but in med school there is just wayyy to much genetic talent to compete with. Makes me kinda angry though, that nurses can practice medicine while being the type of people who would get 87 on step 1 no matter how much they study.
 
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