Can anyone give me some proof that DO's are successful

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after reading this thread, I am sure the OP will change his account name or disappear from SDN forever. In either case, if you're still reading this I have some advise for you, OP. If you let your parents influence you this much, then there's no convincing evidence that can help you (I don't think you are sure of the idea of becoming a DO yourself). You must enlighten your parents on the Osteopathic Medicine. Then they will allow you to apply.




wow, I wanna :barf:now.
 
I know a DO that passed Guitar Hero on "hard".
 
What state are you in? In Texas, DO's aren't allowed to play guitar hero. The most advanced console they are allowed to own is an Atari 2600.

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Bacchus said:
It comes down to do you want to practice medicine. If you do, can't get into an MD school, you apply DO before you go offshore. Each year people that are "overqualified" apply to DO schools, get in, and go. Obviously, they see the light.
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I personally disagree with the prevailing theme of DOs as a last resort alternative to MDs. There exists a substantial amount of phenomenal doctors who became DOs because they have a passion for medicine and align themselves with the platform behind osteopathic medicine. I suggest you research the basis of both forms of medical practices, I assure you you will find numerous differences, and decide with which practice you feel you would want to align yourself in your practice. If it is MD and you feel you will not be accepted to schools in the states, by all means apply in the Caribbean (what a beautiful place to study?!?!?!). If it is DO, apply DO. Do not for a second believe osteopathic is second to allopathic medicine.
 
TexasTriathlete said:
What state are you in? In Texas, DO's aren't allowed to play guitar hero. The most advanced console they are allowed to own is an Atari 2600.

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DO's are so hardcore, they can play that E.T. game for the Atari 2600
 
TexasTriathlete said:
What state are you in? In Texas, DO's aren't allowed to play guitar hero. The most advanced console they are allowed to own is an Atari 2600.

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You don't have the OMM program for Wii?
 
Was this really necessary?
 
dakims said:
This is in no way supposed to be negative, it is to persuade my parents that DO is acceptable. They refuse to let me apply to those schools because they nothing about them and suggest caribbean instead. Can you find me information such as famous DO docs or some residency match stats for DOs. Thank you!
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You are an idiot, get off this board and STFU.
 
cliquesh said:
I don't think there is anything wrong with his/her parents. They are just trying to protect him/her from making a bad life decision. They know that MD's can be successful but they probably don't know about DO's at all. In all honesty, i am a little hesitent entering DO because where i am from we do not have many, so i don't know if the successful DOs i have met are the exception to the rule.
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:laugh: A bad life decision :roflcopter:

DOs can be just as successful as MDs, it is a matter of your own talent, skills, and effort... and a little bit of luck as in everything with life. The reason why you don't see as many, or especially at top positions, is due to one simple fact: math. What is the ratio between MD's to DO's?? Like 8:1 or something, if I'm correct. So there are simply less DO's in the population to begin with, though that gap is very slowly closing, and consequently will be less DO's to choose from for heads of departments or whatever you're measuring as "successful".

DO is not a bad life decision at all, you're a DOCTOR! (unless you end up hating this decision, then you're screwed, and that can happen regardless of two initials after your name.. especially if two initials define who you are in life.. I digress) For some people that was their only way in to the field and they've become fantastic physicians. Others, they went believed the philosophy. Either way, they achieved their goal to become a physician, and if they're successful it has to do with their ability to be successful, not two initials after their name.


edit: Damnit, Jagger! Why'd you have to resurrect the past for me to scold shadows! 😉
 
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HAHAHA ... Man, I really shouldn't have brought this thread back to life like some kind of Romero zombie. I just thought it was cool that I went to look something up on FSMB and saw that they had recently elected a DO as their chief. However, it is a huge pet peeve of mine when people make identical threads, so I thought I'd find a similar one and post in it without realizing how annoying it is to bump really old threads. My B ... my B
 
dakims said:
This is in no way supposed to be negative, it is to persuade my parents that DO is acceptable. They refuse to let me apply to those schools because they nothing about them and suggest caribbean instead. Can you find me information such as famous DO docs or some residency match stats for DOs. Thank you!
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Going to St George should be a carefully considered option. It's a good school with good rotations. I've been really impressed with what I've seen from their students and from the overall organization of the school. My experience with other Carib schools leads me against recommending them at this time.

bth
 
bth7 said:
Going to St George should be a carefully considered option. It's a good school with good rotations. I've been really impressed with what I've seen from their students and from the overall organization of the school. My experience with other Carib schools leads me against recommending them at this time.

bth
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Picking an island school over one based in the US is extremely stupid. If you do not get a residency you are stuck with loans, there are many SGU graduates who do not get residencies and they have a fairly high attrition rate. Bth you now have zero credibility and are a BS artist for even recommending a diploma mill like SGU over getting a DO, DO schools are far more selective.
 
bth7 said:
Going to St George should be a carefully considered option. It's a good school with good rotations. I've been really impressed with what I've seen from their students and from the overall organization of the school. My experience with other Carib schools leads me against recommending them at this time.

bth
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A foreign MD, especially one from SGU is not equal to a US MD, never has and never will be, there is a huge stigma towards Caribbean graduates, much bigger than that for DOs which is almost non existent these days. Foreign MDs from other advanced countries might be a different story but still its best to get your education within the country you plan to work.
 
SolanoDoc said:
Picking an island school over one based in the US is extremely stupid. If you do not get a residency you are stuck with loans, there are many SGU graduates who do not get residencies and they have a fairly high attrition rate. Bth you now have zero credibility and are a BS artist for even recommending a diploma mill like SGU over getting a DO, DO schools are far more selective.
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He wasn't saying you should go to a carribean school over a DO school. What he WAS saying is that his experience with foreign grads would make him hesitant to recommend them at all.

Now you lost all credibility because of your inability to comprehend his post.
 
IMDoc607 said:
He wasn't saying you should go to a carribean school over a DO school. What he WAS saying is that his experience with foreign grads would make him hesitant to recommend them at all.

Now you lost all credibility because of your inability to comprehend his post.
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Actually, you're the one who interpreted bth's post wrong. Here's what he said in this thread:

Going to St George should be a carefully considered option. It's a good school with good rotations. I've been really impressed with what I've seen from their students and from the overall organization of the school. My experience with other Carib schools leads me against recommending them at this time.
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Clearly, he's recommending St. Georges and since it's in a thread about DO school, the implication is that he's recommending as an alternative to DO school, as opposed to a last resort.
 
IMDoc607 said:
He wasn't saying you should go to a carribean school over a DO school. What he WAS saying is that his experience with foreign grads would make him hesitant to recommend them at all.

Now you lost all credibility because of your inability to comprehend his post.
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Given the increasing numbers of both DO and MD student spots in the US, and the fact that postgraduate residency training programs have not been increased, it is an act of stupidity to choose a foreign school over one in the US. I actually know people who have gone the Caribbean route and other avenues, they have regretted it, look at the match list of a DO school and compare it to SGU, the DO school easily bests it. At my school, many graduates got into training at university programs like UCSF and Stanford, you would be hardpressed to find a Caribbean graduate in one of those, and its quite rare.

I interpretated bth7's comments correctly, he was recommending SGU as an alternative to a DO school in the US, that is absolutely stupid advice that is why he has lost all credibility with me and has exposed himself as as the BS artist that he is, if you want to work in the US, go MD or DO, if you cannot get a US MD, go the DO route. A school like SGU is only worth the risk if you have not been accepted to an MD or DO program in the United States, basically its a last resort.
 
TexasTriathlete said:
Are you a grown ****ing adult or not? Apply wherever you want.
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I can see where your problem may come up if you have your parents paying your way. Just print out a bunch of online information regarding the comparison of DO and MD- there's plenty. Then take them to any clinic or hospital and point to all the pictures of physicians on the wall with a 'DO' next to their name.

..and if you really want to rub it in, take them to a practicing DO to talk about their "worries". He/she will set them straight in no time :meanie:.
 
dakims said:
This is in no way supposed to be negative, it is to persuade my parents that DO is acceptable. They refuse to let me apply to those schools because they nothing about them and suggest caribbean instead. Can you find me information such as famous DO docs or some residency match stats for DOs. Thank you!
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Wow.

This thread should be locked. You can't be serious.
 
SolanoDoc said:
I interpretated bth7's comments correctly, he was recommending SGU as an alternative to a DO school in the US, that is absolutely stupid advice that is why he has lost all credibility with me and has exposed himself as as the BS artist that he is.
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Wow.

For saying that St George's is worth considering, I am now treated like this.

Awesome.

bth
 
dakims said:
This is in no way supposed to be negative, it is to persuade my parents that DO is acceptable. They refuse to let me apply to those schools because they nothing about them and suggest caribbean instead. Can you find me information such as famous DO docs or some residency match stats for DOs. Thank you!
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Here's one. Dr. Bryan Bledsoe, DO. He's a well known emergency physician from Texas that is heavily involved in EMS.

http://www.bryanbledsoe.com/
 
bth7 said:
Wow.

For saying that St George's is worth considering, I am now treated like this.

Awesome.

bth
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People are quick to strike in the threads ... no doubt. However, I think residency placement should always be people's number one concern when checking out Caribbean medical schools ... even the established ones. Just because they paid millions in NYC and have alright rotations, doesn't mean that the match rates into ACGME from the Caribbean don't apply.
 
SolanoDoc said:
Given the increasing numbers of both DO and MD student spots in the US, and the fact that postgraduate residency training programs have not been increased, it is an act of stupidity to choose a foreign school over one in the US. I actually know people who have gone the Caribbean route and other avenues, they have regretted it, look at the match list of a DO school and compare it to SGU, the DO school easily bests it. At my school, many graduates got into training at university programs like UCSF and Stanford, you would be hardpressed to find a Caribbean graduate in one of those, and its quite rare.

I interpretated bth7's comments correctly, he was recommending SGU as an alternative to a DO school in the US, that is absolutely stupid advice that is why he has lost all credibility with me and has exposed himself as as the BS artist that he is, if you want to work in the US, go MD or DO, if you cannot get a US MD, go the DO route. A school like SGU is only worth the risk if you have not been accepted to an MD or DO program in the United States, basically its a last resort.
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I agree that it is much better to go to a DO school....hands down. I am a DO student lol
 
I don't want to have to start spanking people the day before Thanksgiving.... but I will if the name calling continues. Grow up people and start thinking of some reason to be thankful instead of all the crap! If you can't get along I may have to begin the beatings all over again. You don't want to see the beatings, do you???
 
JaggerPlate said:
People are quick to strike in the threads ... no doubt. However, I think residency placement should always be people's number one concern when checking out Caribbean medical schools ... even the established ones. Just because they paid millions in NYC and have alright rotations, doesn't mean that the match rates into ACGME from the Caribbean don't apply.
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I actually was going to look into SGU if I did not get into Touro or any US school, I am glad I did not have to bother. A friend of mine went there and did not match into a residency. SGU like other Caribbean schools fudges their numbers, they might claim they have a high match rate or their graduates get into some good programs but they hide the fact the international medical schools have very high rates of attrition, usually losing 20 to 30 percent of the entering class, and with regards to residency matches, they graduate very large numbers of students that is why their match lists look "impressive", SGU graduates nearly 500 to 600 or more students a year. Even the biggest DO school graduates no more than 250.

Admissions to a DO school is not easy by any means, some schools like PCOM and CCOM, get nearly 6000 applications a year and only accept a meager handful of that pool.
 
SolanoDoc said:
I actually was going to look into SGU if I did not get into Touro or any US school, I am glad I did not have to bother. A friend of mine went there and did not match into a residency. SGU like other Caribbean schools fudges their numbers, they might claim they have a high match rate or their graduates get into some good programs but they hide the fact the international medical schools have very high rates of attrition, usually losing 20 to 30 percent of the entering class, and with regards to residency matches, they graduate very large numbers of students that is why their match lists look "impressive", SGU graduates nearly 500 to 600 or more students a year. Even the biggest DO school graduates no more than 250.

Admissions to a DO school is not easy by any means, some schools like PCOM and CCOM, get nearly 6000 applications a year and only accept a meager handful of that pool.
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At the risk of starting a war from a swarm of Caribbean students, I completely agree with your points. I hate, HATE making blanket statements, but I've heard every sentiment you expressed various times from tons of people ... including FMG/Caribbean students.
 
scpod said:
I don't want to have to start spanking people the day before Thanksgiving.... but I will if the name calling continues. Grow up people and start thinking of some reason to be thankful instead of all the crap! If you can't get along I may have to begin the beatings all over again. You don't want to see the beatings, do you???
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1. Kinky 😉
2. I am thankful for OMM and SDN mods.
3. No
 
JaggerPlate said:
At the risk of starting a war from a swarm of Caribbean students, I completely agree with your points. I hate, HATE making blanket statements, but I've heard every sentiment you expressed various times from tons of people ... including FMG/Caribbean students.
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There's every other Caribbean school, and then there's St George's, which is a completely different type of school. Excellent rotations, excellent teaching, excellent student advisers, and a damn fine match list. (Touro-CA doesn't even have faculty advisers, and don't even get me started about their rotations-that-exist-only-on-paper system.)

Anyone who believes the phony match list that Touro puts out, well . . . that's your choice. And yeah, I just said that, phony match list. As in, Touro-CA intentionally puts out a misleading match list. That's just the tip of the iceberg with the F'd-up admin at Touro.

I'm residents with quite a few St George's grads. And I graduated from Touro. But, what do I know? Pre-meds surely know more.

Now, did I say I would choose St George over Touro? No, I did not. That's a choice that everyone would have to make for themselves, based on what they want, what their goals are. Both are perfectly reasonable choices.

bth
 
bth7 said:
There's every other Caribbean school, and then there's St George's, which is a completely different type of school. Excellent rotations, excellent teaching, excellent student advisers, and a damn fine match list. (Touro-CA doesn't even have faculty advisers, and don't even get me started about their rotations-that-exist-only-on-paper system.)

Anyone who believes the phony match list that Touro puts out, well . . . that's your choice. And yeah, I just said that, phony match list. As in, Touro-CA intentionally puts out a misleading match list. That's just the tip of the iceberg with the F'd-up admin at Touro.

I'm residents with quite a few St George's grads. And I graduated from Touro. But, what do I know? Pre-meds surely know more.

Now, did I say I would choose St George over Touro? No, I did not. That's a choice that everyone would have to make for themselves, based on what they want, what their goals are. Both are perfectly reasonable choices.

bth
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1. Ross, AUC, and SGU are all lumped together as being >> than other Caribbean schools, but seriously ... SGU is not above it in some great kept secret category. Cards on the table - you're still going to the Caribbean to get your medical education. People can say whatever they want, "Harvard of the Caribbean," etc ... but that's the bottom line.

2. It's not surprising they have great sites ... they pay out the ass for them. It's not a hard concept, at all. I guarantee if you looked at the cash paid per student at a hospital at SGU and compared it to TU-MI, you'd see a lot vs a little. It's not like hospitals are giving sites to SGU students out of the goodness of their heart, or because of some local ties or whatever. It's freaking money (they also pay for hospitals in NY, which why it isn't surprising you saw quite a few of them). Also, 1/2 years are identical anywhere ... and I'm sure TU-MI has a lot of good faculty, and as far as student advisers ... whatever. I can't comment on how big of an asset that is. My undergrad had zero advisers ... I made it just fine.

3. Their match list looks okay, but - just as you have made comment with TU-MI's - SGU isn't squeaky clean. ** Note, I'm repeating what I've heard hear from multiple sources, including SGU students *** 1. They hold students back from boards, which means the better students take them, do better, and land better residencies. 2. The match lists don't show the big attrition rates 3. The match lists don't show the people who didn't match 4. They graduate classes of like 500, so a few rads out of 500 really isn't too impressive (plus, the occasional ortho or neurosurg you see is usually not in the US. I looked recently and saw lots of Europe) 5. Caribbean students in GENERAL still match way worse into ACGME than DO. 6. With increased class sizes at US MD and new US DO schools popping up like mad with ACGME residencies slots locked since 1997 ... good luck with this list looking better each year.

4. This claim with Touro's matchlist is bold ... even for you. To be honest, some of your comments are starting to border on libelous. I'm not sure the legality of it, but you are making some big claims and frankly, backing them up with the same 'I went through it, so there' attitude. Proof please ... otherwise, it's harsh. You know I've agreed and discussed, civilly, many points on these boards with you ... but this is getting a bit much.

5. Caribbean medical schools should be a last ditch option. There, I said it. 20 years ago, it was a perfectly viable option, but there is one big, fat, stomping elephant in the room now a days, and that is residency matching. It just isn't guaranteed enough. High risks ... possible too high/complicated for most 22 year olds who are dying to get that MD can understand.


So ... bring it on. I didn't want the thread to turn into this, and it did, whatever.
 
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JaggerPlate said:
1. Ross, AUC, and SGU are all lumped together as being >> than other Caribbean schools, but seriously ... SGU is not above it in some great kept secret category. Cards on the table - you're still going to the Caribbean to get your medical education. People can say whatever they want, "Harvard of the Caribbean," etc ... but that's the bottom line.

2. It's not surprising they have great sites ... they pay out the ass for them. It's not a hard concept, at all. I guarantee if you looked at the cash paid per student at a hospital at SGU and compared it to TU-MI, you'd see a lot vs a little. It's not like hospitals are giving sites to SGU students out of the goodness of their heart, or because of some local ties or whatever. It's freaking money (they also pay for hospitals in NY, which why it isn't surprising you saw quite a few of them). Also, 1/2 years are identical anywhere ... and I'm sure TU-MI has a lot of good faculty, and as far as student advisers ... whatever. I can't comment on how big of an asset that is. My undergrad had zero advisers ... I made it just fine.

3. Their match list looks okay, but - just as you have made comment with TU-MI's - SGU isn't squeaky clean. ** Note, I'm repeating what I've heard hear from multiple sources, including SGU students *** 1. They hold students back from boards, which means the better students take them, do better, and land better residencies. 2. The match lists don't show the big attrition rates 3. The match lists don't show the people who didn't match 4. They graduate classes of like 500, so a few rads out of 500 really isn't too impressive (plus, the occasional ortho or neurosurg you see is usually not in the US. I looked recently and saw lots of Europe) 5. Caribbean students in GENERAL still match way worse into ACGME than DO. 6. With increased class sizes at US MD and new US DO schools popping up like mad with ACGME residencies slots locked since 1997 ... good luck with this list looking better each year.

4. This claim with Touro's matchlist is bold ... even for you. To be honest, some of your comments are starting to border on libelous. I'm not sure the legality of it, but you are making some big claims and frankly, backing them up with the same 'I went through it, so there' attitude. Proof please ... otherwise, it's harsh. You know I've agreed and discussed, civilly, many points on these boards with you ... but this is getting a bit much.

5. Caribbean medical schools should be a last ditch option. There, I said it. 20 years ago, it was a perfectly viable option, but there is one big, fat, stomping elephant in the room now a days, and that is residency matching. It just isn't guaranteed enough. High risks ... possible too high/complicated for most 22 year olds who are dying to get that MD can understand.


So ... bring it on. I didn't want the thread to turn into this, and it did, whatever.
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I have a friend who went to SGU, and I can tell you personally that there are serious problems with going to such a school. First of all, its on a third world island with poor living conditions, no running water, basic things you take for granted in the US are difficult to get there. The other issue is that many students wind up going to the UK for clinical rotations, yes the UK. This happened to my friend, he did not pass the Step 1 on the first attempt and they sent him to the UK for his clinical education, he graduated last year and did not match, now he is stuck with loans. Attrition at SGU is very high, nearly 20 percent of the class fails out, the adcom at SGU does not tell you this. Their match rate only looks like because so many students fail out that they only let the best even attempt the Step 1. Touro's match list shows the name of student and the program they matched into, so I really doubt its phony because it can be easily verified.
 
SolanoDoc said:
I have a friend who went to SGU, and I can tell you personally that there are serious problems with going to such a school. First of all, its on a third world island with poor living conditions, no running water, basic things you take for granted in the US are difficult to get there. The other issue is that many students wind up going to the UK for clinical rotations, yes the UK. This happened to my friend, he did not pass the Step 1 on the first attempt and they sent him to the UK for his clinical education, he graduated last year and did not match, now he is stuck with loans. Attrition at SGU is very high, nearly 20 percent of the class fails out, the adcom at SGU does not tell you this. Their match rate only looks like because so many students fail out that they only let the best even attempt the Step 1.
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I think recently they have lowered their attrition rates to like 5-10%, but your other comments were first hand knowledge, and there is no better word than this.
 
JaggerPlate said:
2. It's not surprising they have great sites ... they pay out the ass for them.
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Their sites really aren't great. Large city hospitals, yes... I rotated at a couple of their hospitals during my 3rd year (my choice). Let's just say I'd rather not match at all then have to do residency at these 2 places.

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4. This claim with Touro's matchlist is bold ... even for you. To be honest, some of your comments are starting to border on libelous. I'm not sure the legality of it, but you are making some big claims and frankly, backing them up with the same 'I went through it, so there' attitude. Proof please ... otherwise, it's harsh. You know I've agreed and discussed, civilly, many points on these boards with you ... but this is getting a bit much.
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He has lost all credibility. Ever since Touro didn't allow him to form a school funded gay/lesbian club he has been bashing them nonstop. Either the doctors don't like him, or the administration doesn't like him, or whatever else the whine of the day is. I'd take it with a grain of salt.
 
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He has lost all credibility. Ever since Touro didn't allow him to form a school funded gay/lesbian club he has been bashing them nonstop. Either the doctors don't like him, or the administration doesn't like him, or whatever else the whine of the day is. I'd take it with a grain of salt.
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I have no problem with someone speaking out against a school's 3/4 years ... it's a confusing process to figure out as a pre-med. However, the claims are starting to get to the point where, in my book, there needs to be proof. It's not alright to say that a school fakes a matchlist without explaining/giving some evidence.
 
People gonna hate me for saying this...But the truth has to be said by someone. Going to a DO school is better than going to any caribbean school. Everyone know the reasons for that. By no means going to DO a school will make someone a better physician than someonse else that went to an offshore medical school(In that case SGU). However, once both of you become physician and everything being equal ie same specialty, people will give more "standing" to a MD over a DO that might have gone to the best DO school in the US. In the clinical settings, 99% of people (Doctors, Nurses, other healthcare workers, and mostly patients) do not care too much where an MD went to school. However, you still find some people that are hostile to the DO degree. I dont want anybody to be offended... I am also pursuing the DO route... We all know there is still a stigma associated with the DO degree; we all have to fight to change that.

Here is an example of my contribution to change that as a RN when I got an order from any physician:

Accucheck via finger stick AC (before meals) and QHS (at bedtime) with regular insulin for coverage.
BS (blood sugar) < 70 , give 50ml of D50
BS = 70-150, give 0 unit of insulin
BS =151-200 , 2 units
BS =201-250, 4 units
BS =251-300, 6 units
BS =301-350, 8 units
BS =351-400, 10 units
BS >400 give 12 units then CALL MD or DO.

All my colleages think I am crazy for putting DO as the hospital computer is programmed with "call MD". What I do might be silly for most of you. However, I believe it will expose the DO degree to healthcare workers because some of them dont even know what the degree is.
 
demayette said:
People gonna hate me for saying this...But the truth has to be said by someone. Going to a DO school is better than going to any caribbean school. Everyone know the reasons for that. By no means going to DO a school will make someone a better physician than someonse else that went to an offshore medical school(In that case SGU). However, once both of you become physician and everything being equal ie same specialty, people will give more "standing" to a MD over a DO that might have gone to the best DO school in the US. In the clinical settings, 99% of people (Doctors, Nurses, other healthcare workers, and mostly patients) do not care too much where an MD went to school. However, you still find some people that are hostile to the DO degree. I dont want anybody to be offended... I am also pursuing the DO route... We all know there is still a stigma associated with the DO degree; we all have to fight to change that.

Here is an example of my contribution to change that as a RN when I got an order from any physician:

Accucheck via finger stick AC (before meals) and QHS (at bedtime) with regular insulin for coverage.
BS (blood sugar) < 70 , give 50ml of D50
BS = 70-150, give 0 unit of insulin
BS =151-200 , 2 units
BS =201-250, 4 units
BS =251-300, 6 units
BS =301-350, 8 units
BS =351-400, 10 units
BS >400 give 12 units then CALL MD or DO.

All my colleages think I am crazy for putting DO as the hospital computer is programmed with "call MD". What I do might be silly for most of you. However, I believe it will expose the DO degree to healthcare workers because some of them dont even know what the degree is.
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Sure, once the Caribbean MD student has the MD they are all fine and good ... but I'd take a DO + a specialized residency over a Caribbean MD any day of the week. Residency is the key here people ... residency.
 
🙄 Ah, there's no point in arguing with pre-meds who obviously know it all already. I'm out.


(not directed toward Jagger)
 
JaggerPlate said:
4. This claim with Touro's matchlist is bold ... even for you. To be honest, some of your comments are starting to border on libelous. I'm not sure the legality of it, but you are making some big claims and frankly, backing them up with the same 'I went through it, so there' attitude. Proof please ... otherwise, it's harsh. You know I've agreed and discussed, civilly, many points on these boards with you ... but this is getting a bit much.

5. Caribbean medical schools should be a last ditch option. There, I said it. 20 years ago, it was a perfectly viable option, but there is one big, fat, stomping elephant in the room now a days, and that is residency matching. It just isn't guaranteed enough. High risks ... possible too high/complicated for most 22 year olds who are dying to get that MD can understand.


So ... bring it on. I didn't want the thread to turn into this, and it did, whatever.
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I stand by my words, 100%. I agree, you should have some "proof." I wish I could provide it for you. I do. And maybe one day, when Touro gets exposed, you will get it. For now, I can't really offer you anything regarding that specific claim.

I can say that the Touro-NY boys (the ones running the show) already got busted once for the NY Physician Assistant school selling phony degrees. At least one administrator went to jail.

http://www.vosizneias.com/30622/2009/04/24/brooklyn-ny-mastermind-in-fake-touro-college-degrees-gets-3-years-in-prison/

And let's not forget Touro's attempt to extort the New Jersey governor into giving Touro a permit to build their MD med school in New Jersey using sex and money, which prompted an FBI investigation. (BTW, they mysteriously dropped their plan to open that MD school in Jersey.)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1192415/posts

Also, let's add to the little pile of broken promises the multi-million dollar Cancer Research Center that they lured students to Mare Island with, only to cancel the plans for it later.

http://www.topix.com/forum/med/TSO69KT3AGFRQH8CU

And of course the "business school" that they "opened" and then "canceled."

http://www.timesheraldonline.com/news/ci_13840167

But dude, as much as I think you deserve proof, I also have to say . . . this is SDN, not a court of law. I attended the school for 4 years, I'm sharing my overall frustration with Touro-CA, an experience which many other Touro 3rd and 4th year students & faculty have endorsed here on SDN and elsewhere, for many years. (See attachments.) I think my experience alone is all the "proof" I need. I have seen it all with my own eyes.

I always try to make it clear that my goal is to encourage others to investigate every school for themselves. To ask the tough questions. Perhaps I should make it even more clear, more often.

I've said it before, I went to Touro-CA, I'd probably go there again, because at that time, it was the right choice, for me. I'm not here to discourage anyone, or to change anyone's mind. I'm here to let people know what they are getting into, so they have all the information and can plan accordingly. I wish someone had given me that information, 5 years ago.

On your second point, . . . see, now saying that "Carribean schools should be a last ditch option" is as empty and blanket a statement as saying that MD is better than DO. It depends on the person, the situation, the circumstance. As I said before, both SGU and Touro are reasonable options.

Sincerely as ever,

bth
 

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demayette said:
By no means going to DO a school will make someone a better physician than someonse else that went to an offshore medical school(In that case SGU). However, once both of you become physician and everything being equal ie same specialty, people will give more "standing" to a MD over a DO that might have gone to the best DO school in the US. In the clinical settings, 99% of people (Doctors, Nurses, other healthcare workers, and mostly patients) do not care too much where an MD went to school.
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