can I claim minority status?

[StormingWynn]

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This is why I said you may want to look over the difference between disadvantaged and URM, you are trying to say financial situation affects whether the OP is URM. If you have it straight then cool, just doesn't seem like it.

Yeah, I can distinguish between the two. What I meant is that, by him/her living in a middle class environment he won't contribute much or any diversity to the Medical Student population.

 

[WhizoMD]

So exactly which Hispanic populations aren't URM? And if anyone wants to argue semantics between hispanic/latino/mexican/whatever just do everyone a favor and do it in the mirror. I've had enough Spanish courses, experiences with latino communities, trips to Spanish speaking countries, and latino friends to know that it really isn't as big of an issue as people make it out to be (well, except for the country you are from). In fact is isn't really an issue at all. I asked a group of my latino friends if they consider themselves hispanic/latino/whatever and they said who cares? Answer: pre-med students on here. Jeez.

Mexicans and Puerto Ricans are considered URM on a broad scale, other groups may be considered URM at specific schools, depending on the composition of the population they serve. (eg. if XSOM serves a community/state with a significant Chilean population, then Chilean premeds would get special consideration at that specific school.)

 

[StormingWynn]

And Second in the US.

Oh and who speak Spanish in the US? Trust me, only about 1% are non-Hispanics. While in the Philippines its the Filipinos who speak it.

 

[searun]

The OP appears to be a white guy trying to boost his acceptance chances by presenting himself as a URM. I will be a fourth year med student next year and I may be on my school's ad comm committee in next year's application cycle. If I interview him, he gets two thumbs down for trying to circumvent the real purpose of URM status, which by the way, I support.

 

[MedBoundForSure]

So exactly which Hispanic populations aren't URM? And if anyone wants to argue semantics between hispanic/latino/mexican/whatever just do everyone a favor and do it in the mirror. I've had enough Spanish courses, experiences with latino communities, trips to Spanish speaking countries, and latino friends to know that it really isn't as big of an issue as people make it out to be (well, except for the country you are from). In fact is isn't really an issue at all. I asked a group of my latino friends if they consider themselves hispanic/latino/whatever and they said who cares? Answer: pre-med students on here. Jeez.

You are right, it really is not that important. It's just that URM status gets so much grief on this forum that I did not want people to confuse it with the OPs situation where they are asking if their racial/ethnic background makes them a minority not necessarily an underrepresented one. Most if not all URMs dont have to ask if they are. Mexicans and Puerto Ricans are the hispanics that count as URM. South Americans, Spaniards, etc are not.

 

[StormingWynn]

The OP appears to be a white guy trying to boost his acceptance chances by presenting himself as a URM. I will be a fourth year med student next year and I may be on my school's ad comm committee in next year's application cycle. If I interview him, he gets two thumbs down for trying to circumvent the real purpose of URM status, which by the way, I support.

Thank you, that's exactly right. He's trying to take advantage of a program which shouldn't apply to him/her.

 

[metallica81788]

The OP asked a fairly legit question and all the responders just totally screwed it up by not actually understanding what he asked and assuming a whole bunch of other stuff. Oh, and not knowing the difference between URM and disadvantaged (not that either are relevant to this thread).

 

[searun]

The OP asked a fairly legit question and all the responders just totally screwed it up by not actually understanding what he asked and assuming a whole bunch of other stuff. Oh, and not knowing the difference between URM and disadvantaged (not that either are relevant to this thread).

The OP asked if he could claim minority status? Why do you think he would want to claim minority status? Is is possible that he is seeking some advantage in his application to which he is not really entitled? Don't be so naive.

I am from the Northwest. I am a white guy. I do have some native american blood running through my veins. But I am not a member of any tribe, I do not have any cultural ties to native amercians, I don't know the language, and I have never spent time in a sweat lodge. I am unfamiliar with tribal traditions and I have no ties to any reservation.

So, no, I did not try to present myself as a Native American when I applied to med school. Please.

 

[pwned]

Its amusing how much emotion the topic elicited. I'm going to go ahead and say I am hispanic on the application or at most check the white & hispanic boxes. I agree I'm no URM as that only applies to Mexicans/Puerto Ricans as far as I can tell...and no I'm not disadvantaged in any way shape or form.

Does merely being "hispanic" but not a URM give me such a major advantage that it pissed people off just by me asking?

I asked initially b/c i'm 3/8th's latin decent and 1/8th filipino (asian) 1/2 white. I also agree filipinos are hispanics culturally; they're all catholic, culturally they're the same as hispanics and completely different from the rest of SE Asia, and the language might as well be spanish. I just wondered where they draw the line w/this stuff... aka if i had to be 100% hispanic.

As far as identifying...I'm not white to the white kids and the filipinos and chileans know i'm half white. I know when I hit on white girls I don't come across as a white guy...not clear yet if that's been to my benefit or not🙂

I've been to Chile 3x in my life for 2-6 weeks each trip and 8+ times to the Philippines again in the 3+ week range each time. I speak spanish at a 6th grade level and can understand 90% of what people are saying in tagalog.

I also have spent a ton of time in purely hispanic environs here domestically. I played a ton of soccer growing up, both with the rich kids and with latinos. Even now I play 2x a week, one w/mostly white guys and the other in a completely El Salvadorean/Mexican soccer league where they're grilling meat on food carts and selling bacon wrapped hot dogs on the sidelines. Most of these guys I play with are illegals or new to the country and speak english about as well as I speak spanish so I think in terms of identifying I'll do just fine.

Thanks for everyones input, based on the emotions this elicited it appears this will be a major advantage in the application process and I'd be a fool not to say I am.

 

[Morsetlis]

Now look what you guys did.

It's all your fault.

 

[spo01]

I damn well would ask him a few questions in Spanish.... And if he looked perplexed and confused, he would not get a pass from me.

Your argument lost all credibility right there.

This stuff is getting old. A few months ago I heard two students arguing about who was 'more black'. I **** you not. OP, if you think you're a minority and you can get away with it (which it sounds like you can), just do it.

 

[ts1370]

Blackness overpowers whiteness, but your Hispanicity might not overpower your whiteness.

LOL! I know what you meant, but I think there might be better ways to say it.

 

[FIREitUP]

The OP does not appear to self identify himself as hispanic, given his comments. What is the extent of his involvement in the local hispanic community where he grew up? If it is zero to none, he is not an URM in my opinion.

Personally, I would not check that box if hispanic culture was not a significant part of my life. What would the OP bring to the table in terms of adding diversity to the med school student body? What is the probablility that he would have any inclination to provide service to the underserved hispanic population? And frankly, if I was interviewing him, and I was fluent in Spanish, I damn well would ask him a few questions in Spanish.... And if he looked perplexed and confused, he would not get a pass from me. And I certainly would be asking him a number of questions about his experience and involvement with the hispanic community.

is it okay to claim URM status if you have no intention of serving the underserved (if you are inded a URM)?

 

[Morsetlis]

The two aren't necessarily related. However, I do recommend you tell your interviewers "I have no intention of serving the underserved" and see how they react. Just for fun.

 

[thehibo]

dad = caucasian
mom = 50% Chilean/25% Costa Rican-25%Filipino
so she's 75% hispanic and 25% filipino - she has a very latino last name

Is it ok for me to claim hispanic? and how do they verify self reporting of minority status? Where is the cutoff on such claims?

anyone know how they verify your race? visual inspection? do they want your parents birth certificates?

I have a very white last name but my mom's last name is Salinas

If you have to ask, then you're not. Did it take you 20+ years to claim you're part hispanic? And why are you so paranoid that they're going to visually inspect you/check your birth certificate? Sounds to me like you're trying to cheat the system. Shame on you.

 

[mybubbles14]

Its amusing how much emotion the topic elicited. I'm going to go ahead and say I am hispanic on the application or at most check the white & hispanic boxes. I agree I'm no URM as that only applies to Mexicans/Puerto Ricans as far as I can tell...and no I'm not disadvantaged in any way shape or form.

Does merely being "hispanic" but not a URM give me such a major advantage that it pissed people off just by me asking?

I asked initially b/c i'm 3/8th's latin decent and 1/8th filipino (asian) 1/2 white. I also agree filipinos are hispanics culturally; they're all catholic, culturally they're the same as hispanics and completely different from the rest of SE Asia, and the language might as well be spanish. I just wondered where they draw the line w/this stuff... aka if i had to be 100% hispanic.

As far as identifying...I'm not white to the white kids and the filipinos and chileans know i'm half white. I know when I hit on white girls I don't come across as a white guy...not clear yet if that's been to my benefit or not🙂

I've been to Chile 3x in my life for 2-6 weeks each trip and 8+ times to the Philippines again in the 3+ week range each time. I speak spanish at a 6th grade level and can understand 90% of what people are saying in tagalog.

I also have spent a ton of time in purely hispanic environs here domestically. I played a ton of soccer growing up, both with the rich kids and with latinos. Even now I play 2x a week, one w/mostly white guys and the other in a completely El Salvadorean/Mexican soccer league where they're grilling meat on food carts and selling bacon wrapped hot dogs on the sidelines. Most of these guys I play with are illegals or new to the country and speak english about as well as I speak spanish so I think in terms of identifying I'll do just fine.

Thanks for everyones input, based on the emotions this elicited it appears this will be a major advantage in the application process and I'd be a fool not to say I am.

Just curious...is this the first time you would be calling yourself hispanic on an application/form?

 

[tinery]

Ok, first of all, it doesn't matter if you're White, Black or Asian, a Hispanic can be anyone one of those or ANY combination. What matters is what you identify yourself as. I've seen completely "White" Hispanics, I've seen completely "Asian" Hispanics.. It doesn't matter. Honestly, I don't think you should claim the URM status because you don't know anything from the Hispanic culture, from what I can tell. To top it off, you said that your mom was 75% Hispanic when in reality she's "100%" Hispanic. Filipinos are, a lot of the times, considered Hispanics. They have the heritage, culture, etc..

Everywhere it counts, ie the census, college applications, Filipinos are Asian. They were colonized by the Spanish and thus their language and culture have Spanish influences. I don't think any Filipinos self-identify as being Hispanic.

Technically they SHOULD be Pacific Islander, but alas, are not...

 

[pwned]

If you have to ask, then you're not. Did it take you 20+ years to claim you're part hispanic? And why are you so paranoid that they're going to visually inspect you/check your birth certificate? Sounds to me like you're trying to cheat the system. Shame on you.

I don't consider myself white or hispanic b/c quite frankly I'm not 100% either. I am bi/tri-racial. I grew up surrounded by affluent kids and had all those luxuries but I also spent summers living in shacks with no air conditioning in the 3rd world. I think I've had some pretty cool unique experiences and as far as what I view myself as I think I'm a mutt. Now as far as what Med schools might consider a "hispanic" or everyone else for that matter is what I wanted clarification on.

I have "hispanic" friends from argentina that are far more white than me b/c they grew up in the same neighborhoods as me, have never been abroad, and have blue eyes, light hair, and light skin. They also speak no spanish and have been claiming they are "hispanic" since they were born...and quite frankly they are being 100% argie blood.

I question things b/c I grew up not being cognizant of races per-se. My closest friends are a normal white kid, a white-mormon, a Bolivian, a Chinese guy, and an Iranian. I just have never put much thought into it but I know esp. visiting my families both in Chile and the Philippines that I am not a white kid.

I think I'd be stupid not to utilize what's available to me and take advantage of my unique multi-cultural take on the world. I've been exposed to a lot of diversity and at this point I believe the point of minority applicants benefitting is b/c med schools want doctors with unique cultural perspectives. Just b/c I have a view into 2 or 3 cultures shouldn't deny me the right to claim any one of them as my own. I feel like I belong to 3 and in this case being part of one of them benefits me greatly.

The question now is to where the hell do I apply...I was aiming low but I think my sights have been set a bit higher now.

 

[pwned]

Just curious...is this the first time you would be calling yourself hispanic on an application/form?

I've always selected "other" or when you can select more than one i usually fill out white, hispanic, & asian to be fair to all my relatives

 

[azrael87]

Its amusing how much emotion the topic elicited. I'm going to go ahead and say I am hispanic on the application or at most check the white & hispanic boxes. I agree I'm no URM as that only applies to Mexicans/Puerto Ricans as far as I can tell...and no I'm not disadvantaged in any way shape or form.

Does merely being "hispanic" but not a URM give me such a major advantage that it pissed people off just by me asking?

I asked initially b/c i'm 3/8th's latin decent and 1/8th filipino (asian) 1/2 white. I also agree filipinos are hispanics culturally; they're all catholic, culturally they're the same as hispanics and completely different from the rest of SE Asia, and the language might as well be spanish. I just wondered where they draw the line w/this stuff... aka if i had to be 100% hispanic.

As far as identifying...I'm not white to the white kids and the filipinos and chileans know i'm half white. I know when I hit on white girls I don't come across as a white guy...not clear yet if that's been to my benefit or not🙂

I've been to Chile 3x in my life for 2-6 weeks each trip and 8+ times to the Philippines again in the 3+ week range each time. I speak spanish at a 6th grade level and can understand 90% of what people are saying in tagalog.

I also have spent a ton of time in purely hispanic environs here domestically. I played a ton of soccer growing up, both with the rich kids and with latinos. Even now I play 2x a week, one w/mostly white guys and the other in a completely El Salvadorean/Mexican soccer league where they're grilling meat on food carts and selling bacon wrapped hot dogs on the sidelines. Most of these guys I play with are illegals or new to the country and speak english about as well as I speak spanish so I think in terms of identifying I'll do just fine.

Thanks for everyones input, based on the emotions this elicited it appears this will be a major advantage in the application process and I'd be a fool not to say I am.

Hahaha, just goes to show you, don't make a million assumptions based on a simple opening post. I believe the name "pwned" is indeed appropriate here...

Also, what's with all the "If you have to ask, you're not" stuff? That doesn't even make sense. It's a trait based on descent. You are what you are, whether or not you're aware of it. Is a lifelong-blind black man suddenly not black because no one has told him so (unlikely to occur, but it's the simplest possible example)? Some people aren't sure, hence asking politely. 40% hispanic is hispanic. Hell, 25% hispanic is hispanic. People need to stop getting so flustered over the little stuff. Not for my sake (cause it's entertaining to read), but you'll probably be a tad less stressed out if you can relax a little.

 

[Perrotfish]

Edit: Actually, never mind.

 

[slowbutsteady]

If you have to ask, then you're not. Did it take you 20+ years to claim you're part hispanic? And why are you so paranoid that they're going to visually inspect you/check your birth certificate? Sounds to me like you're trying to cheat the system. Shame on you.

No, he's not, and you are ridiculous. Shame on you for criticizing someone so harshly when you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[mybubbles14]

Hahaha, just goes to show you, don't make a million assumptions based on a simple opening post. I believe the name "pwned" is indeed appropriate here...

Also, what's with all the "If you have to ask, you're not" stuff? That doesn't even make sense. It's a trait based on descent. You are what you are, whether or not you're aware of it. Is a lifelong-blind black man suddenly not black because no one has told him so (unlikely to occur, but it's the simplest possible example)? Some people aren't sure, hence asking politely. 40% hispanic is hispanic. Hell, 25% hispanic is hispanic. People need to stop getting so flustered over the little stuff. Not for my sake (cause it's entertaining to read), but you'll probably be a tad less stressed out if you can relax a little.

It usually has to do with people attempting to take advantage of the system...if you checked the white box all up until this point and then all of a sudden ask if being 2% Native American allows you to apply URM you probably already know the answer to what you should do. The ethnicity question has to do with what you "identify yourself as"...generally speaking you shouldn't have to ask somebody else what you should identify as.

OP...it sounds like you identify yourself as multi-cultural which you should. That doesn't mean you can't check all boxes that apply to you just because you're not 100%. You keep mentioning being middle-class. How much money your family has doesn't take anything away from your culture or identity...contrary to what others might believe.

 

[mybubbles14]

Yes there are, at least for AMCAS, minority hiring laws, Native american tribe membership, etc. The standard for AMCAS, I believe, is that you must be at least 25% of whatever race you're claiming to be. If you're 1/8th black you're a white guy, if you're 1/4th black you're a black guy. Most colleges and scholarship funds use similar standards for their selection processes though occasionally with often proportions. It has absolutely nothing to do with what you consider yourself: if a white kid is adopted by hispanic parents, raised speaking spanish as a first language, and spend his entire childhood in mexico according to this process he's still white. The same thing works in reverse: no matter how many times this guy shopped at the Gap or listened to Radiohead he's still hispanic. Also, even if this isn't relevant for the admissions process (for medical school) it is very relevant for financial aid and scholarship eligibility.

Where did you get these exact numbers from? I've never seen an application stipulate how "black" you had to be to qualify...

The only thing I've ever seen asking for proof is w/ tribal affiliation. I know someone that is 1/8 native american and was able to get a tribal card.

 

[thehibo]

It usually has to do with people attempting to take advantage of the system...if you checked the white box all up until this point and then all of a sudden ask if being 2% Native American allows you to apply URM you probably already know the answer to what you should do. The ethnicity question has to do with what you "identify yourself as"...generally speaking you shouldn't have to ask somebody else what you should identify as.

OP...it sounds like you identify yourself as multi-cultural which you should. That doesn't mean you can't check all boxes that apply to you just because you're not 100%. You keep mentioning being middle-class. How much money your family has doesn't take anything away from your culture or identity...contrary to what others might believe.

Exactly. Just be honest, simple as that. You are what you are. You don't have to play up your mother with the "very latino" last name. If you've identified yourself as multiracial before, then simply do it again.

 

[mybubbles14]

I've always selected "other" or when you can select more than one i usually fill out white, hispanic, & asian to be fair to all my relatives

(my bad didn't see this...)

Then you already knew your answer! 👍

As you can see this is a sensitive subject for many people on both sides of the URM argument (even though that's not really what you were asking about). Whenever you see someone asking what ethnicity they should apply as it usually goes there...

 

[naijaboi]

Do you self identify as hispanic? And does your experiences and your family's back up you claim? Would you like to work with this population in the future and do your activities speak to it? If so, check the box.

And if you do, be prepared to talk about your minority status somewhere in your application. Checking the box does not automatically give you a boost. But backing up your claims with your diversity (culturally) might help. I don't think it will hurt, but it might not help.

 

[metallica81788]

BTW, there is no "URM" box that you check. You check for Hispanic, but not URM. It then has a dropdown box of what kind of Hispanic.

 

[YaBoyAR]

my mother is caucasian, my father venezuelan, making me 50% caucasian and 50% hispanic.... my skin is white with freckles and i have red hair, making me a ginger!

I always put down Hispanic

I also currently use a scholarship to help pay for school.... a hispanic scholarship!

is it wrong? not for me 🙂

 

[RookTookIt]

Of course the OP should say that he is hispanic -- he is! At least by the standard definition. It is absurd to think otherwise. We don't check ethnicity boxes based on the way we act.

 

[LizzyM]

my mother is caucasian, my father venezuelan, making me 50% caucasian and 50% hispanic.... my skin is white with freckles and i have red hair, making me a ginger!

I always put down Hispanic

I also currently use a scholarship to help pay for school.... a hispanic scholarship!

is it wrong? not for me 🙂

Are gingers URM? I think that they might be. 😉😉

There is no URM button. You indicate your race and ethnicity and that's it. Each med school is permitted to categorize people as URM based on their own local circumstances.

I like to see ties to the local community of that ethnicity, an understanding of the community's health issues, and some service to that community. Language skills (if applicable) also show an ability to communicate with non-English speaking members of that community.

 

[searun]

Are gingers URM? I think that they might be. 😉😉

There is no URM button. You indicate your race and ethnicity and that's it. Each med school is permitted to categorize people as URM based on their own local circumstances.

I like to see ties to the local community of that ethnicity, an understanding of the community's health issues, and some service to that community. Language skills (if applicable) also show an ability to communicate with non-English speaking members of that community.

As always, the voice of reason and sanity in the chaos of SDN.

 

[slowbutsteady]

Of course the OP should say that he is hispanic -- he is! At least by the standard definition. It is absurd to think otherwise. We don't check ethnicity boxes based on the way we act.

Correct, or how we "feel."

And anyone who criticizes someone for using a legitimate "leg up" in this process is being totally and completely disingenuous. Like you don't take any possible leg up available to you.

Ridiculous.

The URM "advantage" is a legal and important means to increase diversity in medicine.

I highly doubt that most underrepresented minorities have felt that they have had a whole lot of advantages in life up to this point.

The reason they are underrepresented is because WHITE MALES are "overrepresented!!!!"

You have been stealing other people's rightful places in med school, law school, jobs, etc. for 220 years.

It is time you give them back!!!!!!!!!!!!!

White males' piece of the American pie has been bigger than they deserve, and it is time to set it right.

And if this generation of white males "suffers" as a result, TOO BAD!!! Your days of entitlement are over.

So stop your freaking, self-serving whining about whether the OP is "Hispanic enough" for you.

IT IS NOT ALL ABOUT YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FINALLY.

 

[FIREitUP]

Correct, or how we "feel."

And anyone who criticizes someone for using a legitimate "leg up" in this process is being totally and completely disingenuous. Like you don't take any possible leg up available to you.

Ridiculous.

The URM "advantage" is a legal and important means to increase diversity in medicine.

I highly doubt that most underrepresented minorities have felt that they have had a whole lot of advantages in life up to this point.

The reason they are underrepresented is because WHITE MALES are "overrepresented!!!!"

You have been stealing other people's rightful places in med school, law school, jobs, etc. for 220 years.

It is time you give them back!!!!!!!!!!!!!

White males' piece of the American pie has been bigger than they deserve, and it is time to set it right.

And if this generation of white males "suffers" as a result, TOO BAD!!! Your days of entitlement are over.

So stop your freaking, self-serving whining about whether the OP is "Hispanic enough" for you.

IT IS NOT ALL ABOUT YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FINALLY.

yeah, i'm sorry for taking URMs position for so many years. i apologize.

 

[NoMoreAMCAS]

Just choose hispanic.

 

[NoMoreAMCAS]

1) The URM "advantage" is a legal and important means to increase diversity in medicine.

2) And if this generation of white males "suffers" as a result, TOO BAD!!! Your days of entitlement are over.

1) Who cares about diversity? I don't care what color you are, I want the best dam doctors possible.

2) I don't feel entitled to anything. I'd just like a level playing field.

 

[apumic]

Where did you get these exact numbers from? I've never seen an application stipulate how "black" you had to be to qualify...

The only thing I've ever seen asking for proof is w/ tribal affiliation. I know someone that is 1/8 native american and was able to get a tribal card.

For Native Americans, it depends on the tribe to which one belongs as well as the documentation available. If one's ancestors were not properly documented, one is screwed regardless, but, for instance, for those of Cherokee heritage, it really doesn't matter what percent you are. As long as you have at least one relatively who was Dawes Roll (certified as of Cherokee blood and can prove your direct blood relationship), you are eligible for tribal membership/registration and, therefore, eligible for a card certifying you as such by the U.S. government. TBH, I doubt very many Native American applicants have actually maintained their tribal affiliation beyond getting a card. The Hispanic and African American communities, OTOH, have seemingly been a bit more resistant (at least in some areas of the country) to being "main-streamed" into "American" culture (for better or for worse).

 

[298609]

it all depends who drafts you in this years race draft. *cue nfl music*

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=162807

 

[WhizoMD]

The Hispanic and African American communities, OTOH, have seemingly been a bit more resistant (at least in some areas of the country) to being "main-streamed" into "American" culture (for better or for worse).

What is "American" culture?

 

[298609]

What is "American" culture?

and last, but not least,

 

[startswithb]

OMG is that a sandwich with fried chicken as the bun?!?!

 

[298609]

OMG is that a sandwich with fried chicken as the bun?!?!

yes!!!!! doesn't it look delicious???!? although i kind of want texas toast or something to act as a real bun. and look at those steak fries!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[StormingWynn]

1) Who cares about diversity? I don't care what color you are, I want the best dam doctors possible.

2) I don't feel entitled to anything. I'd just like a level playing field.

If you want a level playing field, then why is that a lot of Blacks and Mexicans and Puerto Ricans are stuck in the worst possible school districts possible? I was raised in the inner city where I went to a 45% Hispanic, 45% Black, 5% White and 5% Asian school. The school was horrible. No programs, no activities, no AP courses, no IB program, no anything. A few miles south you found one of the best school districts in the nation. 90% White, 1% Black, 1% Hispanic and 8% Asian. The had all AP courses available, IB program, school activities, etc.. This is the true reason for the URM program and Disadvantaged program..

Just to give you an idea of the disadvantage I had to face.

Averages:

Suburb Schools

ACT - 25
Math State Asses...- 90% Pass rate (70% or better)
Reading - 80%
Writing - 85%
Science - 85%

Inner City - My school

ACT - 15
Math - 15%
Reading - 30%
Writing - 20%
Science - 15%

No tell me this kids had a fair playing field from the beginning..

 

[slowbutsteady]

1) Who cares about diversity? I don't care what color you are, I want the best dam doctors possible.

2) I don't feel entitled to anything. I'd just like a level playing field.

Geez, the whole point is that there HASN'T BEEN and STILL ISN'T a level playing field. The field has been tilted in favor of white males FOR GENERATIONS.

We have to tilt it back for awhile until we can make it level.

How is someone allegedly smart enough to even apply to med school not getting this? It is pretty simple.

 

[slowbutsteady]

If you want a level playing field, then why is that a lot of Blacks and Mexicans and Puerto Ricans are stuck in the worst possible school districts possible? I was raised in the inner city where I went to a 45% Hispanic, 45% Black, 5% White and 5% Asian school. The school was horrible. No programs, no activities, no AP courses, no IB program, no anything. A few miles south you found one of the best school districts in the nation. 90% White, 1% Black, 1% Hispanic and 8% Asian. The had all AP courses available, IB program, school activities, etc.. This is the true reason for the URM program and Disadvantaged program..

Just to give you an idea of the disadvantage I had to face.

Averages:

Suburb Schools

ACT - 25
Math State Asses...- 90% Pass rate (70% or better)
Reading - 80%
Writing - 85%
Science - 85%

Inner City - My school

ACT - 15
Math - 15%
Reading - 30%
Writing - 20%
Science - 15%

No tell me this kids had a fair playing field from the beginning..

Precisely, thank you.

 

[NoMoreAMCAS]

If you want a level playing field, then why is that a lot of Blacks and Mexicans and Puerto Ricans are stuck in the worst possible school districts possible? I was raised in the inner city where I went to a 45% Hispanic, 45% Black, 5% White and 5% Asian school. The school was horrible. No programs, no activities, no AP courses, no IB program, no anything. A few miles south you found one of the best school districts in the nation. 90% White, 1% Black, 1% Hispanic and 8% Asian. The had all AP courses available, IB program, school activities, etc.. This is the true reason for the URM program and Disadvantaged program..

Just to give you an idea of the disadvantage I had to face.

Averages:

Suburb Schools

ACT - 25
Math State Asses...- 90% Pass rate (70% or better)
Reading - 80%
Writing - 85%
Science - 85%

Inner City - My school

ACT - 15
Math - 15%
Reading - 30%
Writing - 20%
Science - 15%

No tell me this kids had a fair playing field from the beginning..

Schools suck in different areas, i'll agree with that. I also went to a very crappy high school. But that doesn't have anything to do with race, it has to do with money. Being poor should give you a little leniency in the app process, but not your race. Growing up as a minority with a couple doctor's or lawyer's as your parents puts you at NO disadvantage, but in the med school application process they approach it like you actually were disadvantaged.

 

[StormingWynn]

Schools suck in different areas, i'll agree with that. I also went to a very crappy high school. But that doesn't have anything to do with race, it has to do with money. Being poor should give you a little leniency in the app process, but not your race. Growing up as a minority with a couple doctor's or lawyer's as your parents puts you at NO disadvantage, but in the med school application process they approach it like you actually were disadvantaged.

It very much has to do with "race." As you can see from my stats, those "races" that Medicals are trying to "help" are those prone to poor education since being born. My point is, where there is mainly white/asian majority schools, there is a better education system, because there is money. Where there is Hispanics or blacks, there are poor and bad schools.

 

[NoMoreAMCAS]

Precisely, thank you.

Not precisely, thank you.

 

[NoMoreAMCAS]

It very much has to do with "race." As you can see from my stats, those "races" that Medicals are trying to "help" are those prone to poor education since being born.

I don't care about prone. That's just ridiculous. Because some black people grow up in bad conditions we should treat all of them like they did?

If you grew up in those crappy situations, you should get the leniency in the application process. If you didn't, you shouldn't get better treatment because another black kid somewhere got screwed on his education.

 

[slowbutsteady]

Not precisely, thank you.

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