Can I still get into dermatology??

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Hey guys, I am an M1 and just recently got done with my first anatomy and histo tests. I really want to get into dermatology. Unfortunately, I didn't do too good on the first tests (I passed but it ruined my chance to honoring anatomy and histo). Do I still have a chance to get into derm if I don't honor all my classes. Do classes grades really make a difference or is it solely based on my USMLE. I would appreciate your feedback, cause I am still really unfamiliar with the residency process
thanks
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Wow. You're in medical school and you still think like this? Forget derm, that's the least of your worries. You're going to have a miserable, miserable life if you don't grow up soon.
 
Wow. You're in medical school and you still think like this? Forget derm, that's the least of your worries. You're going to have a miserable, miserable life if you don't grow up soon.


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how do you know you want derm?
 
I'm sure it's the typical story told by many interested in the field: the OP's life was saved from a terminal case of acne by a very special dermatologist.
 
This forum is starting to feel like pre-allo.
 
This forum is starting to feel like pre-allo.

I might agree with you, other than the fact that most in this forum have at least lost that starry-eyed, idealistic view of medical education. That in itself gives us an edge over those hippies in pre-allo.
 
Hey guys, I am an M1 and just recently got done with my first anatomy and histo tests. I really want to get into dermatology. Unfortunately, I didn't do too good on the first tests (I passed but it ruined my chance to honoring anatomy and histo). Do I still have a chance to get into derm if I don't honor all my classes. Do classes grades really make a difference or is it solely based on my USMLE. I would appreciate your feedback, cause I am still really unfamiliar with the residency process
thanks
🙂


If you try to see the implications to your career of each test, you will go insane. Actually by the above post, if you were serious, you are well on the way there. You need to do the best you can and see how it shapes out. Do not consider a career until after many many more tests. Only then will you have a better sense of what kind of a student you are. Chill.
 
derm huh.....

another student in it just for the money and lifestyle. trying to work hard now just so that he can be laid back and let the money roll in later.

lemme guess your #2 choice: radiology?
 
derm huh.....

another student in it just for the money and lifestyle. trying to work hard now just so that he can be laid back and let the money roll in later.

lemme guess your #2 choice: radiology?


No no no, it's rad-ONC. RAD-ONC.

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I'm sure it's the typical story told by many interested in the field: the OP's life was saved from a terminal case of acne by a very special dermatologist.

LMAO.....:laugh:
 
Geez man, you've already blown the top grade after only one test in two classes?

Get a prescription for a tasty sedative--you're going to have hypertension and gray hair before Christmas.

I tend to agree with everybody else here. You are going to jump a lot more hurdles before you have to decide what you want to do after med school. Rest assured that after year 3, stressing yourself out will have helped you gain no advantage over that quiet and relaxed hot AOA girl in the corner who just decided to do derm at the beginning of M4.
 
I'm sure it's the typical story told by many interested in the field: the OP's life was saved from a terminal case of acne by a very special dermatologist.

You win this thread!
 
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Why all the anamosity for students who want to do derm? If you kick butt in med school, then you should be rewarded. Derm is this reward. Stop the hate!
 
Hey guys, I am an M1 and just recently got done with my first anatomy and histo tests. I really want to get into dermatology. Unfortunately, I didn't do too good on the first tests (I passed but it ruined my chance to honoring anatomy and histo). Do I still have a chance to get into derm if I don't honor all my classes. Do classes grades really make a difference or is it solely based on my USMLE. I would appreciate your feedback, cause I am still really unfamiliar with the residency process
thanks
🙂
Yes, you'll have to do better. Ask your local derm advisor what else you can and will need to do to match.
 
Those who want to do derm need to decide as early as possible and start research, etc... to maximize chances of matching.

Sure, but there are always going to be a lot of people in each class who simply won't get the top grades needed regardless of effort. Thus you don't make this kind of decision until after acing a bunch of tests, so that you know you can be that solid student you need to be. After more tests go by and you are doing quite well in first year, you can start lining up the derm research projects (maybe even taking an extra year off to do this if you are really gung ho and cannot spare the time during the school year) and derm mentors. But really, after one test? The dude still may find that even at full tilt, he's going to be a very average student.
 
Why all the anamosity for students who want to do derm? If you kick butt in med school, then you should be rewarded. Derm is this reward. Stop the hate!

Okay sorry, I was just being polite.

Dude, your AOA chances are probably compromised if not dead. You are screwed. If you go to a super-duper med school, you still have a shot. If your place has zero, one, or two derm spots locally, consider something else.
 
What experiences has an M1 had that makes him or her sure they want to be a dermatologist? The only thing he or she has done with skin is cut it open during the dissection. Maybe they worked with a dermatologist in undergrad or something.
 
Sure, but there are always going to be a lot of people in each class who simply won't get the top grades needed regardless of effort. Thus you don't make this kind of decision until after acing a bunch of tests, so that you know you can be that solid student you need to be. After more tests go by and you are doing quite well in first year, you can start lining up the derm research projects (maybe even taking an extra year off to do this if you are really gung ho and cannot spare the time during the school year) and derm mentors. But really, after one test? The dude still may find that even at full tilt, he's going to be a very average student.

Let's not be too pessimistic about this, maybe he/she can use this setback as motivation to work hard and ace the next bunch of exams. A lot of doing well on an exam is just willingness to work, and since he/she did get into medical school I assume a reasonable level of intelligence.

Oh and to answer the OP's original question, preclinical grades are rather low down on the list of things they will be evaluating. For competitive residencies like derm, USMLE Step I, clinical clerkship evaluations and research are the top three things they look for. All hope is not lost, just keep working as hard as you can. Lastly, dermatology seems to be getting less competitive with 75% match rate last cycle.
 
Let's not be too pessimistic about this, maybe he/she can use this setback as motivation to work hard and ace the next bunch of exams. A lot of doing well on an exam is just willingness to work, and since he/she did get into medical school I assume a reasonable level of intelligence.

Whose pessimisic? I'm just saying its ridiculous to worry about your chances for derm before you have taken a lot more tests. And more ridiculous to consider career impact after each test.
 
Whose pessimisic? I'm just saying its ridiculous to worry about your chances for derm before you have taken a lot more tests. And more ridiculous to consider career impact after each test.

So what should one think after doing badly on a test?

A)Crap, if this keeps up I won't be able to match into the more competitive residencies, I better work harder.

B)Well let's just keep doing what I'm doing till I'm an MSII, then if things aren't going so well, I'll just settle for whatever I can get.
 
So what should one think after doing badly on a test?

A)Crap, if this keeps up I won't be able to match into the more competitive residencies, I better work harder.

B)Well let's just keep doing what I'm doing till I'm an MSII, then if things aren't going so well, I'll just settle for whatever I can get.

Those aren't the only or best options. I would suggest (C) -- See what you can do to tweak your studying to improve, and do your best. If you were seriously thinking about derm, "working harder" should not really be a possibility, although working smarter might be. But do not micromanage your longerm career on the fly during first year based on each test. The smart people do their best and if their best is good enough for derm, then that gets to be an option. The vast majority of every med school class will not get to realistically consider derm. I don't think that means they are forced to "settle for whatever they can get".
 
Well put law2doc,
Mulling over details of, at best, a future career path that is more likely to change than your morning special at the local diner is somewhat counterproductive. Like any other test or class in college we took and didn't earn top dog honors, readjust your inadequacies and move forth accordingly. You can't aim for a pinhole in the future if your mind is stringently wrapped up in any career path that you cannot realistically gauge until at least your third or fourth year.
 
So I would put aside the lofty career dreams and just worry about doing your best. Because your best is all you can ever do.
Reality is if you do worse on this exam you're more motivated to do better on the next exam. This has been true for me through my entire educational career. And while the OP may have phrased his question a bit differently, I think it's important to keep a solid goal in sight. I don't know about you, but I am more willing to work when I have a "big picture" goal to achieve rather than the "I should work my hardest" ethic.
 
Reality is if you do worse on this exam you're more motivated to do better on the next exam. And I don't know about you, but I am more willing to work when I have a "big picture" goal to achieve rather than the I should work my hardest.

The problem is that like 80-90% of all med students change their mind before applyng for residency. So while having a big picture goal is well and nice, it might be a big picture of a future you won't ultimately choose. But if that motivates you, go for it. Speaking as someone who has changed careers and big pictures, I can assure you that you can motivate yourself quite well even without a finite target.
 
well thats why i think law2doc said, to study smarter, because studying harder won't achieve anything to that effect, no matter how motivated one is. If the reason why you're not performing to the level you want to be at is because of slacking, then sure, study harder. But odds are, you are already busting your ass studying harder or smarter. But no matter how more "motivated" you are, you're in a class full of Type-A personalities, where p=md is not enough. So though you might be more motivated, you're still running with the equally motivated big fishes. What i think the OP should worry about, or rather focus his or her creative energies into, is finding ways to begin to prepare for step 1. Granted it might be early to prepare that much in advance, but doing things such as making notecards to use later on, to save yourself time, or budgeting money for a Kaplan class for STEP1 are more productive ways to spend his or her time than to gear his or her energy budget into what he or she thinks is the best plan for a derm career. Do your best. And bust your ass doing it. Theres nothing else you can do (unless you resort to cheating lol) that will greatly augment what you havnt been doing already, or that you don't already know yourself.
 
Maybe the OP needs the nudge of a crappy score to get fully up to steam.

Perhaps. But there are plenty of people who got that nudge and it didn't get them to derm. I still think worrying about it at this stage is counterproductive. But I see your point -- When given lemons, make lemonade.
 
I heard a good analogy the other day about derm careers. Its like aiming to be a superstar actor when you havn't even reached Broadway yet. You can work harder, or make more connetions or whatnot. But with a super competitive mindset of becoming a superstar, odds are, you probably are. There's not much left to do now except to just keep at it, and with a bit of luck, you might get there, but you can't put all of your eggs in one basket because its such a longshot.
 
I say stay with it, OP. One thing I've learned about the healthcare crisis in this country is this: there is nothing more urgently needed than more dermatologists in underserved areas.

Don't let a couple bad grades destroy your dreams of helping humanity, one botox injection at a time!
 
I'm all for being optimistic about goals, but the sooner you realize you're no longer the smartest kid in the class the less stress you'll have and the more enjoyment you'll get out of med school. You might study four hours a day every day for 10 months, spend most of your weekends holed up in the library or lab, and spend hundreds on review books just to scrape out a spot in the top half of the class. Our anatomy course director told us at the end of last year that not one person out of 110 had moved up or down more than 3 spots in rank from the first exam to the final. Now that's just one class, but I'd imagine it holds true for overall rank. So you might do better as you find a study groove, but so will everyone else so your relative position probably won't change much. I believe you're right that basic science grades don't count as much as USMLE scores and rotation grades, but the same people who do well in class will have the knowledge base to ace their Steps and impress clinical year evaluation-writers. Just the way it goes...
 
I heard a good analogy the other day about derm careers. Its like aiming to be a superstar actor when you havn't even reached Broadway yet. You can work harder, or make more connetions or whatnot. But with a super competitive mindset of becoming a superstar, odds are, you probably are. There's not much left to do now except to just keep at it, and with a bit of luck, you might get there, but you can't put all of your eggs in one basket because its such a longshot.

So you're saying that the OP should become a scientologist?
 
Guess that scraps psychiatry.
 
Say, what if they found a pharmaceutical drug with the proven ability to treat thetans? Tom Cruise would be in a real pickle then.
 
You just might be onto something...
 
Say, what if they found a pharmaceutical drug with the proven ability to treat thetans? Tom Cruise would be in a real pickle then.
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This gets the "Funniest Post of the Day" award!

If Cruise wouldn't take the drug, per his stance on depression, does that mean that the thetans are all in his head?
 
Derm is gross and probably as monotonous as dentistry.
 
This forum is starting to feel like pre-allo.

I don't particularly care to read the rest of the posts so I don't know if someone already mentioned this:

All the pre-allo schmucks (should I've used some asteriks or **** in there?) are now part of the "class of who gives a f%^k" so there you go.
 
I honored my last twelve exams, but other people did too. This means that I'm not alone at the top of my class. Terrible, I know. Am I basically disqualified for Rad-onc and Path-derm? What about consulting? I'm a first year and I need to know this NOW before it's too late. Thanks. 🙄
 
I honored my last twelve exams, but other people did too. This means that I'm not alone at the top of my class. Terrible, I know. Am I basically disqualified for Rad-onc and Path-derm? What about consulting? I'm a first year and I need to know this NOW before it's too late. Thanks. 🙄

Yeah seriously. Another prospective pimple-popper bites the big one. Quit now; what's the point?
 
I honored my last twelve exams, but other people did too. This means that I'm not alone at the top of my class. Terrible, I know. Am I basically disqualified for Rad-onc and Path-derm? What about consulting? I'm a first year and I need to know this NOW before it's too late. Thanks. 🙄

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Lol, im starting to see the derm hate nowdays more than ever. whats spurned this?

Some people see dermatology as a challenge to their motivations for going into medicine. It seems, superficially, to be the exact opposite of what people profess on their AMCAS personal statement, that is, a specialty with easy hours, good pay, no call, and limited contact with the poor.

So they look at dermatology as the Devil, tempting them from the true faith.

I'd say that a first year medical student worried about matching into dermatology is probably a lot smarter and a much quicker learner than most of his classmates. He has formed a gestalt of the his future and does not like what he sees.
 
Some people see dermatology as a challenge to their motivations for going into medicine. It seems, superficially, to be the exact opposite of what people profess on their AMCAS personal statement, that is, a specialty with easy hours, good pay, no call, and limited contact with the poor.

Putting aside the OP's question, and along this same line, is anyone else troubled by the fact that in medicine, the best and brightest are encouraged into a field that minimizes their time working in the hospital, and whose patients on average often will be among the healthiest that seek medical care of any specialty? I would think these are the people who could have the biggest impact in other specialties, and that the profession would want to take steps to "incentivize" it's resources better?
 
Putting aside the OP's question, and along this same line, is anyone else troubled by the fact that in medicine, the best and brightest are encouraged into a field that minimizes their time working in the hospital, and whose patients on average often will be among the healthiest that seek medical care of any specialty? I would think these are the people who could have the biggest impact in other specialties, and that the profession would want to take steps to "incentivize" it's resources better?

They're the best and the brightest for a reason.
 
I listend to a CT surgeon lament this just a week or two ago. CT surgery is having an incredibly difficult time recruiting high quality residents to enter fellowship. Why go into a specialty with a horrid lifestyle when you can make roughly the same money in something else? I don't really blame med students/residents for this either, they're just doing what's best for them individually.

To reverse the trend the government (actually the American public) is going to have to pony up and increase salaries of these specialties so that they can compete with derm for the students. Either that or the specialties have to fundamentally change and decrease the time spent in the hospital and on call.
 
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