CANADIANS WHO GOT INTO US DENTAL SCHOOLS..?

[pf1996]

What were your stats like? Where did you apply? How did you like the move? Do you plan on coming back to canada?

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[DentEngineer]

I am not a Canadian, but I live very close to Detroit which is right next to Windsor, ON, Canada.
The currency rate is very very bad for Canadians right now, how are you guys planning on financing dental school tuition?
1 US Dollar = 1.40 Canadian Dollar right now.

I work in the auto industry, and auto industry is very sensitive to world oil price. Cheaper the gas price, more people will buy heavy American vehicles.
Due to US not buying much crude oil as before, oil price will stay low at least for 3 years (predicted by numerous countries).
Canadian dollar currency is also known as Petro Currency which is detrimental if oil price stays low like this. Auto companies in the US is predicting that USD/CAD currency rate will stay like this for at least 3 years.

$400,000 USD for 4 years in American dental school = $560,000 CAD
It will cost you guys more than half-million dollars. IF you attend American dental school, I don't think it is possible to go back to Canada to work as a dentist (unless you want to pay $5000 per month just on your student loan).

 

[dentalgoal team]

You need a GPA over 3.8 as an international applicant, apply broadly specifically to private schools. The move is pretty smooth.

 

[Winner32]

You need a GPA over 3.8 as an international applicant, apply broadly specifically to private schools. The move is pretty smooth.

I'm so tired of bs posts like this being spread around the forum regarding international stats needed to get accepted to dental school. Where is your source a Canadian applicant needs a 3.8+? Ya maybe if they're applying Ivy League. I have several friends of mine who got accepted with gpas around 3.5. You're more than just a grade smh. At least bring up other important factors like dat, EC, PS, and letters. And if a Canadian had that gpa they wouldn't bother applying to the states in first place.

 

[Winner32]

The thing that filters most Canadians out in the first place is not going to be their EC, PS, and letters. The numbers (DAT & GPA) are critical to even get your foot in the door.

Schools like NYU, BU, UDM are holistic. They don't filter out a Canadian who has a gpa around 3.4-3.5. Private schools also don't generally put Canadians at a higher standard than Americans as this is often stated on their FAQ. I just think a lot of ppl on this forum are misinformed regarding canadian chances and most commenting aren't even Canadian applicants themselves who've been through the process.

 

[amariesa]

Cad to usd is a lot but what else are you going to do? Go to grad school and become a .... What?

Schools like NYU, BU, UDM are holistic. They don't filter out a Canadian who has a gpa around 3.4-3.5. Private schools also don't generally put Canadians at a higher standard than Americans as this is often stated on their FAQ. I just think a lot of ppl on this forum are misinformed regarding canadian chances and most commenting aren't even Canadian applicants themselves who've been through the process.

Yup. I have a 3.9 GPA with 4.0 in grad school with a 21AA. I'm 26 (cuz grad school and illness way back in 2nd year) and was told that my age is going to factor against me because I have left school for a while. Im in grad school. Right now. With a 4.0. And a publication on the way. Continously in school for the past 6 years. What? Also this dude the other day has like a 3.98 and tested 98th percentile in MCATs and was wondering if he should switch to dentistry, especially since he had 50hrs shadowing under his belt. People told him to wait a year. WTF. He is way and above the average matriculant. The bubble of sdn is kinda funny.

Yes, Canadians may be at a disadvantage in some schools but to NEED a 3.8?? hahahahahaaha. Take the advice here with a grain of salt and recognize they're overachievers.

 

[Winner32]

All schools say they're holistic. It's meaningless. It doesn't mean the other factors you listed have no weight, but they're certainly not the most important factors.



The admissions rate for Canadian students (# applied/# accepted) is a lot lower for a reason. It's hard to dispute the numbers on this one.

I see that you're a Canadian student who has not yet gone through the application process, so you have to consider that your perspective on this may be a bit biased to seem more hopeful than realistic.

Yeah you're right I havnt applied yet but I will be this cycle and have done lots of research throughout the years and spoken to several school regarding stats for Canadians. Of course the higher gpa the better but someone who has a compelling story and unique app, but happens to have an avg gpa won't be filtered like what was mentioned above. I also feel since you had unreal dat scores your perception of whats actually competitive may be bit skewed.

 

[amariesa]

Yeah you're right I havnt applied yet but I will be this cycle and have done lots of research throughout the years and spoken to several school regarding stats for Canadians. Of course the higher gpa the better but someone who has a compelling story and unique app, but happens to have an avg gpa won't be filtered like what was mentioned above. I also feel since you had unreal dat scores your perception of whats actually competitive may be bit skewed.

Reminds me of this uncle who lives in a rural town and most of his buddies are living the same simple lifestyle, he thinks everyone in the city are out of touch with nature...etc... when in reality tons of people go biking, camping, and hiking. He lives in an echo chamber where day in and day out, he listens to the same skewed belief over and over. I'm sure those in Columbia or Harvard really believe you need at least a 3.8 to get in because thats what they aimed for. In reality last year's science GPA for accepted students in Howard is 2.9. A ton of canadians get in with 3.6 and those above 3.8 just go to school in Canada anyways. Its true its harder for Canadians but the blanket statement of NEED 3.8 or above is ridiculous.

 

[EnergeticDent]

I'm so tired of bs posts like this being spread around the forum regarding international stats needed to get accepted to dental school. Where is your source a Canadian applicant needs a 3.8+? Ya maybe if they're applying Ivy League. I have several friends of mine who got accepted with gpas around 3.5. You're more than just a grade smh. At least bring up other important factors like dat, EC, PS, and letters. And if a Canadian had that gpa they wouldn't bother applying to the states in first place.

Trust me, if a canadian had 3.8 GPA they WOULD and should apply to the states because 3.8 gpa would not even get you a interview invite in Canada. Most canadian dental schools require you to have 3.9 above to even be invited for interview and I saw many canadians with 3.9 above with 21+ AA that did not get interview invites so they applied to americans schools and attending there.

 

[EuEu]

What were your stats like? Where did you apply? How did you like the move? Do you plan on coming back to canada?

My GPA was around 3.7, DAT scores ~21 (almost failed QR, I can't with the imperial system), average ECs (volunteering, leadership, research, the usual stuff), poor shadowing hours (~50), and very poor interview skills. I wrote my American DAT in September, and that didn't do me any favours. I applied to around a dozen Canadian friendly schools (aka the private schools and ridiculously expensive public schools). I just got accepted this year, so I can't give any feedback on the dental school experience yet. And yes, I do plan on moving back to Canada to practice eventually.

I stalked the pre-dental forums extensively before applying, and I've seen accepted Canadian applicants with GPA in the low 3.0s to applicants with GPAs in the 3.9s. US schools do look at your application holistically. Your acceptance will be based on a number of factors, so don't be discouraged if one of your stat is below average. =)

 

[DentEngineer]

You need a GPA over 3.8 as an international applicant, apply broadly specifically to private schools. The move is pretty smooth.

Somewhat out of topic, but just to let you guys know that "Canadians" are not really "international". I would say they are "special" international students, because Canadians DO NOT need a formal VISA to attend American Schools. Also, they DO NOT need VISA-sponsorship for working in the USA. Canadians have TN-visa instead of H1b-visa (working visa for international). TN-visa is from NAFTA agreement between Mexico, USA, and Canada.

It is much much easier for colleges in the states to accept Canadians compared to other international students. Formal VISAs like F1 or H1b requires a lot of time to process, and it is expensive.

 

[Winner32]

Somewhat out of topic, but just to let you guys know that "Canadians" are not really "international". I would say they are "special" international students, because Canadians DO NOT need a formal VISA to attend American Schools. Also, they DO NOT need VISA-sponsorship for working in the USA. Canadians have TN-visa instead of H1b-visa (working visa for international). TN-visa is from NAFTA agreement between Mexico, USA, and Canada.

It is much much easier for colleges in the states to accept Canadians compared to other international students. Formal VISAs like F1 or H1b requires a lot of time to process, and it is expensive.

I thought Canadians needed the h1b visa, at least that's what all the med students say for residency purposes which would ultimately lead to green card and eventual citizenship. They can also get J1 but that requires you to come back to Canada for few years if I'm not mistaken.

 

[738177]

I thought Canadians needed the h1b visa, at least that's what all the med students say for residency purposes which would ultimately lead to green card and eventual citizenship. They can also get J1 but that requires you to come back to Canada for few years if I'm not mistaken.

For NAFTA professions (Pharmacy, Dentistry etc. NOT Optometry), you can work with TN visa which costs employers nothing. I do think there's some sort of condition with it. Employers are supposed to show that they couldn't find an American grad to work in their company, so they had to resort to getting a Canadian. But it's not a "Oh this would never happen" thing and it's pretty common. You might have to go to undesirable areas or make connections in metro areas. TN visa doesn't lead to green card/citizenship etc.

 

[DentEngineer]

For NAFTA professions (Pharmacy, Dentistry etc. NOT Optometry), you can work with TN visa which costs employers nothing. I do think there's some sort of condition with it. Employers are supposed to show that they couldn't find an American grad to work in their company, so they had to resort to getting a Canadian. But it's not a "Oh this would never happen" thing and it's pretty common. You might have to go to undesirable areas or make connections in metro areas. TN visa doesn't lead to green card/citizenship etc.

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I work at one of the largest automotive companies in the US (Detroit, MI), and we have lots and lots of Canadian workers (engineers, accountants, corporate lawyers, etc). Detroit is a border city with Windsor, ON, Canada, and there are tons of Canadians crossing border every day for work (living in Canada, and working in the US). You do not have to go to undesirable areas.
It's a way of getting a job offer much easier than other international students. Once you have TN visa, you can change it to H1b later. I have seen this happen with a lot of Canadian co-workers.
Companies/Schools usually hire/accept Canadians over other international students (if both have similar qualifications), since H1b/F1 visa process is expensive and takes a long time.

 

[Dan Rios]

Thought I'd chime in with my story. I applied this past cycle to both Canadian and American Schools. The schools that I applied too included: Case Western, Temple, SUNY Buffalo, UDM, NOVA, UPenn, Pitt, McGill, Sask, UofT, UWO, Dal. As Canadian applicants know, it is tough to get an interview in Canada and McGill/UWO are holistic. My stats were 93% OMSAS GPA (best two years), 3.8 cGPA, and I think 3.85 scienceGPA for the States with an oGPA of 3.98ish. DAT was 22/20/19/17 (RC/AA/TS/PAT). Now, I received interviews only from UDM/NOVA and the rest were rejections. However, I received interviews from 4 Canadian schools with 3 Acceptances!! The story with my friends who had higher stats than me (24 AA/PAT and 4.1 oGPA) was that they only received 1-2 interviews with no acceptances in the states but multiple acceptances in Canada. You could say LOR or ECs/PS are not good enough but if McGill/UWO can give interviews and acceptances with similar holistic approaches as the States, it begs the question as to whether US schools are not looking at Canadians as favorably as before. Canadian applicants should check premed101 for people who have applied to the US this past cycle and struggled more so than previous years. Does this have to do with a shift in policy from certain schools (i.e. Case Western Med no longer taking Canadian applicants) or is it a one-off cycle? Do some research before investing so much into the application fees and paperwork and invest in improving your application for Canadian schools. The dollar being where it is makes it scary for the amount of debt you have to take on.

 

[Winner32]

Thought I'd chime in with my story. I applied this past cycle to both Canadian and American Schools. The schools that I applied too included: Case Western, Temple, SUNY Buffalo, UDM, NOVA, UPenn, Pitt, McGill, Sask, UofT, UWO, Dal. As Canadian applicants know, it is tough to get an interview in Canada and McGill/UWO are holistic. My stats were 93% OMSAS GPA (best two years), 3.8 cGPA, and I think 3.85 scienceGPA for the States with an oGPA of 3.98ish. DAT was 22/20/19/17 (RC/AA/TS/PAT). Now, I received interviews only from UDM/NOVA and the rest were rejections. However, I received interviews from 4 Canadian schools with 3 Acceptances!! The story with my friends who had higher stats than me (24 AA/PAT and 4.1 oGPA) was that they only received 1-2 interviews with no acceptances in the states but multiple acceptances in Canada. You could say LOR or ECs/PS are not good enough but if McGill/UWO can give interviews and acceptances with similar holistic approaches as the States, it begs the question as to whether US schools are not looking at Canadians as favorably as before. Canadian applicants should check premed101 for people who have applied to the US this past cycle and struggled more so than previous years. Does this have to do with a shift in policy from certain schools (i.e. Case Western Med no longer taking Canadian applicants) or is it a one-off cycle? Do some research before investing so much into the application fees and paperwork and invest in improving your application for Canadian schools. The dollar being where it is makes it scary for the amount of debt you have to take on.

The problem is that canadians who are tweeners (aka decent gpa but not high enough for canadian cut offs, would then have to do more years of undergrad to potentially have a shot at a canadian seat. Western for example only has around 55-60 spots in their class, vs a school like nyu that accepts over 300. Sure the cost is way more in the usa, but also keep in mind someone getting into the states now vs potentially getting into canada 3 years later after doing more undergrad, would have lost 3 years worth of income potential as well.

 

[Tammy Gohard]

You're also not a Canadian applicant so you shouldn't be speaking either then. I got into 4 american dental schools with a 3.2 and 22 dat. Anything is possible. Make sure your well rounded. People that just say stuff without backing it up piss me off.

Canadian applicant here. This is my second year applying to only US schools, I did not get in the first time. I wrote my US DAT and earn a 26AA, unfortunately, my GPA was only a 3.2. I applied to 13 schools (all private) and only got interviews from 2 schools NOVA and UDM. Of course, I got rejected. It could not have been my work experience, EC, or volunteering and definitely not my LORs. My PS was edited through my uni many times to perfection and it really could only mean my GPA.

 

[Winner32]

Canadian applicant here. This is my second year applying to only US schools, I did not get in the first time. I wrote my US DAT and earn a 26AA, unfortunately, my GPA was only a 3.2. I applied to 13 schools (all private) and only got interviews from 2 schools NOVA and UDM. Of course, I got rejected. It could not have been my work experience, EC, or volunteering and definitely not my LORs. My PS was edited through my uni many times to perfection and it really could only mean my GPA.

Maybe your interviews weren't that great. You scored 99% in dat and even with 3.2 should have had at least 1 acceptance and possibly more interviews since your saying other parts of application were solid. When did you submit your app?

 

[Dan Rios]

I think it has more to do with the fact there is a shift (imo) away from Canadian applicants since:

1) The dollar tanking means those who cannot afford it shouldn't be considered as they won't be able to come up with the money. Sure, you can get a LOC from Canada but the difference is still large for the average Canadian to pay out of pocket. I think its better for US dental schools to invest in locals who can get federal assistance and bank loans. My thoughts about this come from the employment indicator for our parents in the application. Maybe they decipher how much an individual has and compare it to the total cost of the program over 4 years to see if they can meet payments and not potentially leave after 2 years since they can't pay anymore. Sounds unrealistic but just a thought.
2) Put American first approach? Heard from a few friends that schools are pushing this agenda more so now that DT is in power. Not sure how much truth there is too this but seeing Canadians with 24+AA/PAT and 3.9+ GPAs being rejected or not being offered interviews in the States this past cycle really got me thinking why the sudden shift? Sure you can say LOR and ECs/PS are not strong but they did get accepted into Canadian schools which is overly difficult and becoming more holistic.

I don't think you are a poor applicant since a 3.2 GPA with a 26 AA shows your potential academically. I think its just bad timing if you applied last year for the first time. I wish you luck and fingers crossed you get in this cycle.

 

[Winner32]

I think it has more to do with the fact there is a shift (imo) away from Canadian applicants since:

1) The dollar tanking means those who cannot afford it shouldn't be considered as they won't be able to come up with the money. Sure, you can get a LOC from Canada but the difference is still large for the average Canadian to pay out of pocket. I think its better for US dental schools to invest in locals who can get federal assistance and bank loans. My thoughts about this come from the employment indicator for our parents in the application. Maybe they decipher how much an individual has and compare it to the total cost of the program over 4 years to see if they can meet payments and not potentially leave after 2 years since they can't pay anymore. Sounds unrealistic but just a thought.
2) Put American first approach? Heard from a few friends that schools are pushing this agenda more so now that DT is in power. Not sure how much truth there is too this but seeing Canadians with 24+AA/PAT and 3.9+ GPAs being rejected or not being offered interviews in the States this past cycle really got me thinking why the sudden shift? Sure you can say LOR and ECs/PS are not strong but they did get accepted into Canadian schools which is overly difficult and becoming more holistic.

I don't think you are a poor applicant since a 3.2 GPA with a 26 AA shows your potential academically. I think its just bad timing if you applied last year for the first time. I wish you luck and fingers crossed you get in this cycle.

For me personally it's really frustrating because I've been waiting for this moment to apply for several years, and I would always look at the forums and see other canadians get interviews/acceptances. And of course when I finally apply the dollar tanks and we have this apparent "shift" 🙁 I'm hoping for the best though!

 

[fit2]

What about other international students (from Europe)? Does anyone know if Canadians are considered as other international students from other continents? it's something i've been wondering now that im close to finishing my applciation...

 

[738177]

What about other international students (from Europe)? Does anyone know if Canadians are considered as other international students from other continents? it's something i've been wondering now that im close to finishing my applciation...

Many dental schools want pre-reqs to be completed in either USA or Canada. In that regard, it might be easier for a Canadian be accepted.

 

[738177]

For me personally it's really frustrating because I've been waiting for this moment to apply for several years, and I would always look at the forums and see other canadians get interviews/acceptances. And of course when I finally apply the dollar tanks and we have this apparent "shift" 🙁 I'm hoping for the best though!

The conversion definitely sucks.
I honestly understand the argument for the "shift" from the school's point of view. You can no longer attend American dental schools (the ones that'll accept us) without essentially taking out 2 lines of credits from Canadian banks or unless your parents are filthy rich. On the bright side, you can always go to Ireland/Aus where tuition is a bit cheaper. Or if you're a daredevil, get your dental degree in India for pennies, then take the licensing exams in Canada (you're still not forced to undergo extra schooling if you're a foreign dentist in Canada).

 

[fit2]

Forgot to say I completed high school and undergrad in the US. You think that's an advantage over internationals students from other countries? In lauding canad? I guess that would make sense

 

[Winner32]

@Winner32 why dont you apply to australian dental schools like Syd and Melb. Its cheaper than US and its accredited back in Canada so you can go back and work.
Applications end soon, you still have enough time to apply. Ask me if you have questions, I ended up cancelling my acceptances to us and came to Aus.

I actually am applying to Sydney. I just have to send in my supplemental fee and everything is complete. I've seen your posts in the past regarding Australia too and they were helpful. But tbh even Australia has gotten competitive the last few years since lots of Canadians are going there now. The tricky part is say I get into Sydney, but than I also have American interviews. Would I attend Sydney and pay tuition or risk not going assuming I get Dec 1st acceptance at a US school. I may want to specialize or work in the states one day so still rather USA even at the more expensive cost.

 

[Dan Rios]

The conversion definitely sucks.
I honestly understand the argument for the "shift" from the school's point of view. You can no longer attend American dental schools (the ones that'll accept us) without essentially taking out 2 lines of credits from Canadian banks or unless your parents are filthy rich. On the bright side, you can always go to Ireland/Aus where tuition is a bit cheaper. Or if you're a daredevil, get your dental degree in India for pennies, then take the licensing exams in Canada (you're still not forced to undergo extra schooling if you're a foreign dentist in Canada).

As far as I know, this is incorrect. If you get your degree from countries other than Ireland, Australia and New Zealand you have to undergo two years of schooling at UofT or UWO as part of the IDAP program and then write the licensing exam. It is a difficult process and expensive so it is best to get your degree from Canada or the US.

 

[738177]

As far as I know, this is incorrect. If you get your degree from countries other than Ireland, Australia and New Zealand you have to undergo two years of schooling at UofT or UWO as part of the IDAP program and then write the licensing exam. It is a difficult process and expensive so it is best to get your degree from Canada or the US.

IDAP programs exist but they aren't mandatory and can be bypassed. It's been like that for a few years now and it's the reason why there's been a huge increase in new dental registrants in Canada. They can directly take the exams and can repeat them in case they fail.
Becoming a licensed dentist in Canada | The National Dental Examining Board of Canada
Yeah it's a pretty weird system. It's not like US where you MUST finish the 2 year qualifying program. I agree one should obviously go to one of the accredited schools. I just wanted to point out that this pathway does exist.

 

[DDSER1]

IDAP programs exist but they aren't mandatory and can be bypassed. It's been like that for a few years now and it's the reason why there's been a huge increase in new dental registrants in Canada. They can directly take the exams and can repeat them in case they fail.
Becoming a licensed dentist in Canada | The National Dental Examining Board of Canada
Yeah it's a pretty weird system. It's not like US where you MUST finish the 2 year qualifying program. I agree one should obviously go to one of the accredited schools. I just wanted to point out that this pathway does exist.

Yea its a really messed up process. In my opinion its way too easy to recertify in Canada currently, and this is adding to the increase in saturation that we're saying. However, many people who are hiring now specify that they require 1-2 years of domestic experience, and the foreign dentists going through the equivalency process mainly serve patients from their own communities.

 

[738177]

Incorrect, if you graduate from US, Australia, or Ireland you just write one board exam that even the Canadian dental school students write when they graduate. And you can even write these tests again if you fail which is highly unlikely. All schools from these countries are accredited in Canada. But say you go to England, then yes you would have to do the 2 year qualifying program.

You don't.
The 2 year qualifying program is optional to all foreign dentists as of now.

 

[738177]

Yes that is true you dont. But the testing pathway from non-accredited schools (ie. England) is very very hard. I've heard the passing rate is far below 50%. I know 1 person who has done it that way but about 6 others that failed and ended up doing the 2 year program. But yeah you are right, it is possible.

But I think we can all agree it would be alot easier to go to an accredited school and do the normal board test.

Definitely not a straightforward process. I mean, I'm not advocating people head off to India or anything. Also, who knows if this pathway would exist 5-6 years down the road.
I do think this is one of the main reasons why many Canadians would rather go to the states despite the tuition. Compared to Canada, it's infinitely harder to get licensed in the states. Of course whether or not if the debt is justified is another debate.

 

[Winner32]

All costs aside, aren't american schools generally known to have stronger clinical training? Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I heard Mcgill students have the same curriculum as med students the first 2 years, hence why many do a general residency after graduating since they don't get enough clinical exposure.

 

[DDSER1]

I'm pretty sure that in the Ontario schools you start working in the sim lab in the first year, and your clinical development is really in your hands and how much time you devote to practising. Ultimately it still just comes down to cost for me and I don't think a better clinical experience is worth the price of American schools

 

[cystinosis]

I'm pretty sure that in the Ontario schools you start working in the sim lab in the first year, and your clinical development is really in your hands and how much time you devote to practising. Ultimately it still just comes down to cost for me and I don't think a better clinical experience is worth the price of American schools

Any Canadians that have been accepted to US dental schools please share the name of your university. It looks like some US dental schools are not looking friendly on Canadian applicants. I want to know which ones are still accepting Canadians.

 

[HappyPomme]

Any Canadians that have been accepted to US dental schools please share the name of your university. It looks like some US dental schools are not looking friendly on Canadian applicants. I want to know which ones are still accepting Canadians.

hey there, im a canadian applicant and got into university of Minnesota on Dec. 1st! (got waitlisted at another school though..)

 

[doc toothache]

2016 International/Canadian DS Admission Statistics

 

[cystinosis]

hey there, im a canadian applicant and got into university of Minnesota on Dec. 1st! (got waitlisted at another school though..)

I have interview there 2nd week of January . What questions did you have at interview? How long was it?
Any advice? I am on scholarship in Texas for undergrad and want to stay in US.

 

[HappyPomme]

I have interview there 2nd week of January . What questions did you have at interview? How long was it?
Any advice? I am on scholarship in Texas for undergrad and want to stay in US.

i just looked at the interview questions posted here on SDN (specifically for U. Minnesota) and all the questions they asked me were found there. Nothing too difficult, ull do fine im sure. Good luck!

 

[879613]

Trust me, if a canadian had 3.8 GPA they WOULD and should apply to the states because 3.8 gpa would not even get you a interview invite in Canada. Most canadian dental schools require you to have 3.9 above to even be invited for interview and I saw many canadians with 3.9 above with 21+ AA that did not get interview invites so they applied to americans schools and attending there.

No, it’s not true. There are only a couple of universities in Canada that are taking a wholistic approach: Western, Manitoba, and Dalhousie. The rest of the schools are entirely based on marks 50%, DAT 25% interview 25%. U of T, and U of A have the highest competitive average of 3.85. The rest of universities have a lower score, however if you are out of province then your GPA has to be higher than 3.8 to be considered. Or the out of province person will have to have a higher average than the in province average highest scores. It’s competitive here because of the limited spaces. In the states you have 70-100 spots per university. Here BC has 56, AB has 32, MB has 29, western has 56, u of T I don’t remember , Dalhousie 38 spots. You can see how limited the space is. We only have 8 English speaking dentistry universities in Canada and 1 French. 3.8 won’t be turned away from your own province, but may be turned away from a different province. In Alberta the lowest GPA who was admitted for Fall 2017 had a 3.74 GPA. And the lowest DAT score was 18.

 

[879613]

No, it’s not true. There are only a couple of universities in Canada that are taking a wholistic approach: Western, Manitoba, and Dalhousie. The rest of the schools are entirely based on marks 50%, DAT 25% interview 25%. U of T, and U of A have the highest competitive average of 3.85. The rest of universities have a lower score, however if you are out of province then your GPA has to be higher than 3.8 to be considered. Or the out of province person will have to have a higher average than the in province average highest scores. It’s competitive here because of the limited spaces. In the states you have 70-100 spots per university. Here BC has 56, AB has 32, MB has 29, western has 56, u of T I don’t remember , Dalhousie 38 spots. You can see how limited the space is. We only have 8 English speaking dentistry universities in Canada and 1 French. 3.8 won’t be turned away from your own province, but may be turned away from a different province. In Alberta the lowest GPA who was admitted for Fall 2017 had a 3.74 GPA. And the lowest DAT score was 18.

Also all the schooling prior to dental application has to be completed at an university. College is non transferable.

 

[879613]

What about other international students (from Europe)? Does anyone know if Canadians are considered as other international students from other continents? it's something i've been wondering now that im close to finishing my applciation...

In order to be able to work in North America you can complete your education in USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Ireland. Any other country you will have to come back and do an extra 2 years of clinicals and then you are allowed to write the board. Europeans don’t want to come here when they can literarly get away with 20000 euros at the end of their 5th year of dentistry. ( plus no prerequisite- you go to dental school or medschool after high School) yes it takes 5-6 years to be a dentist after high school. In my scenario I’m doing my education in Canada because I moved here and I got married here so I don’t plan on ever moving back to Europe.

 

[fit2]

international student here (non-Canada) got into school a few schools but from this cycle in my experience you definitely need grades or some crazy extracurriculars to set you apart you know? international are definitely at disadvantage. despite many Canadians complaining; however, most international admitted to US schools are from Canada. so.....yeah. and thats probably because most applicants are from Canada while not as many people from Russia apply. I think however, all internationals are at a certain disadvantage

 

[879613]

international student here (non-Canada) got into school a few schools but from this cycle in my experience you definitely need grades or some crazy extracurriculars to set you apart you know? international are definitely at disadvantage. despite many Canadians complaining; however, most international admitted to US schools are from Canada. so.....yeah. and thats probably because most applicants are from Canada while not as many people from Russia apply. I think however, all internationals are at a certain disadvantage

If they don't speak English and try to do their undergraduate studies here and then try to do their dentistry. Absolutely, they are at a disadvantage. I spoke English only for the past 10 years and I am and was frustrated- not because its unfair but because I had to put in twice the work to compete with everyone else (I have worked immensely for a 3.88 GPA). Only I know sleepless nights and how many tears I shed when I didn't understand( English is my second language). Unless these people applying in the states are from England, there won't be too many Europeans applying since its so hard to get that good old competitive GPA, I agree.

 

[KK Lin]

I'm so tired of bs posts like this being spread around the forum regarding international stats needed to get accepted to dental school. Where is your source a Canadian applicant needs a 3.8+? Ya maybe if they're applying Ivy League. I have several friends of mine who got accepted with gpas around 3.5. You're more than just a grade smh. At least bring up other important factors like dat, EC, PS, and letters. And if a Canadian had that gpa they wouldn't bother applying to the states in first place.

I agree. I am an international student but not Canadian without 3.8, and I still got in my top choice. It’s my first year applying and I am still a 4th year college student. So I don’t think you need 3.8 to get in.

 

[et7]

Hi guys,

I am a Canadian applicant who got interviews at NOVA (post), UDM (pre), Maryland (pre), Minnesota (post), and Midwestern-AZ (pre).
But, I also applied to NYU, BU, and Case and did not get an interview.

I received 2 acceptance on December 1st, but I am still waiting on Canadian schools for interviews (hopefully!)

My advice: get the 2017-2018 ADEA Official Guide to Dental Schools book. It breaks down all the schools and tells you how many Canadians/Internationals they accepted in the previous years so then you have a good idea of where to apply.

 

[cystinosis]

CANADIANS: Any Canadians that have been accepted to US dental schools please share the name of your university.
I know of 1 person who got into UDM , I will be either in U Mich or NOVA. Anyone else? Please share.

 

[chondria]

I've got accepted, but having trouble securing full tuition at this moment. Will be trying different options. It's not fun for us Canadians, the currency rate and the whole NAFTA issue is concerning. 🙁

 

[rrox101]

CANADIANS: Any Canadians that have been accepted to US dental schools please share the name of your university.
I know of 1 person who got into UDM , I will be either in U Mich or NOVA. Anyone else? Please share.

I got into University of Michigan!

 

[pf1996]

I got into University of Michigan!

Do you mind me asking what your stats were?

 

[HappyPomme]

I already mentioned i got accepted to U. Minnesota, but reposting it for future readers who are curious!

 

[rrox101]

Do you mind me asking what your stats were?

Sure I will Pm you!