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I know there have been a number of threads regarding the carribean schools but I thought I might revive this specific question. Why is it that people look at St. George and Ross as a LAST resort? I know some people there now and some graduates who have gone on to become very successful and competent practitioners and they have great things to say about the experience. Maybe I'm missing something and I'm curious to hear your responses.

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I know there have been a number of threads regarding the carribean schools but I thought I might revive this specific question. Why is it that people look at St. George and Ross as a LAST resort? I know some people there now and some graduates who have gone on to become very successful and competent practitioners and they have great things to say about the experience. Maybe I'm missing something and I'm curious to hear your responses.

Well I will guess a few reasons and Im sure others can add on to this!
-Its pretty expensive in comparison to an In state school (though comparable to an out of state).
-You have to take (and pay for) the NAVLE to practice in the US.
-The islands they are located on certainly arent identical to the US when it comes to comforts. More crime, more poverty, no Super Walmarts and giant malls, just a real change of life.
-Cant really bring a spouse because they cant get a job their.
 
I will add to the disadvantage list

Well I will guess a few reasons and Im sure others can add on to this!
-Its pretty expensive in comparison to an In state school (though comparable to an out of state).
-You have to take (and pay for) the NAVLE to practice in the US.
-The islands they are located on certainly arent identical to the US when it comes to comforts. More crime, more poverty, no Super Walmarts and giant malls, just a real change of life.
-Cant really bring a spouse because they cant get a job their.
- unaccredited by the AVMA
- not as selective as their US counterpart and thus the caliber of the students attending are called into question
- relatively new so difficult to say how their graduates fare


In general I think the stigma attached to attending an unaccredited school in the Caribbean is that the standards for admission are lower. People think of the students who attend as students who could not gain acceptance to U.S. There have been innumerable previous posts on this and it is not a topic specific to this board. Medical students face this issue as well as one could argue the poor inner city children attending public high schools versus those who attend elite prep schools. You can succeed at either academic environment however you face more challenges in the former.
 
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-You have to take (and pay for) the NAVLE to practice in the US.

In case you didn't know, with the US vet schools you also have to take the NAVLE - and pay for it - in order to practice in the USA.

The difference with the Caribbean schools is they're not AVMA accredited (as Azawakh said) so you have to undergo the ECFVG process (or take PAVE). http://www.avma.org and then click on ECFVG .
 
I'm definitly looking into the Caribbean schools as a viable option. My grades are not as competetive as they should be, so I think I have a better chance at getting into the Caribbean than the States.

I know one MD and a Veterinarian that have graduated from the Caribbean (St Matthew's and St George) and they have become FABULOUS doctors. They both warned me that the Caribbean does have more of a weeding out process so you really have to kick your butt into gear when you get there, versus the American schools have more of an atitude "Once you're in, you're in".
 
In case you didn't know, with the US vet schools you also have to take the NAVLE - and pay for it - in order to practice in the USA.

The difference with the Caribbean schools is they're not AVMA accredited (as Azawakh said) so you have to undergo the ECFVG process (or take PAVE). http://www.avma.org and then click on ECFVG .

Sorry got my NAVLEs and my PAVEs mixed up! Thanks for the correction.
 
i think another issue that has been brought up is regarding insurance. i'm not totally familiar with the situation or difficulty surrounding insurance in the caribbean, but that would be one of my major concerns.
 
Financial aid is also significantly harder to get. Since the schools aren't AVMA accredited, you can't get Stafford loans to go there. This means you have to fund your education with private loans, which can be a PITA if you're someone like me who is too young to have good credit and who doesn't have a co-signer who does have good credit. I know SGU offered some private loan programs through the school, but I didn't pursue them once I turned down my acceptance.
 
I'm definitly looking into the Caribbean schools as a viable option. My grades are not as competetive as they should be, so I think I have a better chance at getting into the Caribbean than the States.

I know one MD and a Veterinarian that have graduated from the Caribbean (St Matthew's and St George) and they have become FABULOUS doctors. They both warned me that the Caribbean does have more of a weeding out process so you really have to kick your butt into gear when you get there, versus the American schools have more of an atitude "Once you're in, you're in".


I have a great friend who is in medical school at St. Matthew's University and is doing very well. I am certain that she will be a phenomenal clinician. However she has expressed to me that she has been disappointed with the quality of the instruction at St. Matthew's (we were in graduate school together at Boston University School of Medicine). She also was utterly disappointed by the quality of the students. She said that they were unmotivated (more interested in getting drunk and laying on the beach) and a lot of them were there because they "had" to go to medical school to please their parents. Sadly most of her classmates are no longer in her class because they have flunked out or repeated multiple semesters and she subsequently found herself feeling lonely and in desperate need of study partners. She has said that if she had a choice she would definitely choose to attend an accredited school in the US.

Everyone's experience will be somewhat different and my friend has made the best out of her situation and will graduate with a MD/MBA and be an awesome clinician but don't go into this experience with rose tinted glasses. It is what it is.
 
Does anyone know how hard it is to transfer from a caribbean Vet school to a US one? Or a better question, if it's even POSSIBLE?
 
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a lot of them were there because they "had" to go to medical school to please their parents

damn, at least this type probably doesnt exist too much at caribbean vet schools. I doubt too many parents neurotically dream about their children growing up to palpate cow rectum.
 
Financial aid is also significantly harder to get. Since the schools aren't AVMA accredited, you can't get Stafford loans to go there. This means you have to fund your education with private loans, which can be a PITA if you're someone like me who is too young to have good credit and who doesn't have a co-signer who does have good credit. I know SGU offered some private loan programs through the school, but I didn't pursue them once I turned down my acceptance.

From my understanding, if you go to Ross you do qualify for Stafford loans. Ross has a federal education number, whereas last I heard SGU does not (and I doubt that St. Matthews does because it's so new).

Going overseas though, you don't qualify for the same amount of Staffords. I could only get $18500 per year subsidized + unsubsidized (though I hear it may have increased somewhat, recently).

The biggest drawback with private loans (which I also needed) is the interest rate. Over 9% !!
 
Does anyone know how hard it is to transfer from a caribbean Vet school to a US one? Or a better question, if it's even POSSIBLE?

I know someone who went to Ross and then transfered to Kansas. So I know it's possible. But realize that other students will be competing for the same seats (which tend to be few because not many vet students drop out or fail out) - students from AVMA accredited schools (like Glasgow, where it's very expensive and people transfer out because of the money or if they don't like it).
 
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Thanks for your responses everyone. Actually I looked into the stafford situation and you CAN get stafford loans for St. George they have a number and everything. For some reason the school maintains that you cannot? A lil bit shady.
 
Hello all. Hopefully I can add some insight to this thread.

Currently there are three veterinary schools in the Caribbean, and they are all different. Lumping them together would be like saying Cornell, Tuskegee, and Western are all the same because they are all in the U.S. So it is important to examine each of the Caribbean schools individually.

As the enrollment counselor for the vet school at St. George's I can tell you about the school I work for.

Many people assume that schools in the Caribbean accept everyone that applies. This is not true for St. George's University. We received just shy of 300 applications for our incoming class that just started in August. Of those applications we accepted a little over 90 students, 80 of which matriculated with us. So our classes are quite competitive as well.

It is true that many of our students were not accepted into U.S. schools. Does this mean they are inferior? Definitely not. In many cases, students that attend SGU are students that had one bad semester that brought their overall GPA down. In many cases this one bad semester can be explained. Maybe it was a death in the family, or a number of other reasons. Whatever the reason, the student bounced back and got strong grades the rest of their education, but that one semester brought their overall GPA down below the standard of the U.S. School they are applying to. The average GPA of our incoming students is a 3.2, which is not all that far off from the U.S. average of a 3.55.

The majority of professors at SGU were professors at U.S. Veterinary schools, and our visiting professors are still professors at schools such as Cornell, NC State, Purdue, Auburn.... etc.

I would never tell anyone that SGU is better than a U.S. school, but there are some advantages to coming to us.

1) More hands on experience. We have a very busy teaching hospital on campus that students rotate through. Out students generally get 10-20 spays and neuters under their belt in their first three years.

2) Dual degree programs. Since we have the medical school and veterinary school on the same campus, it was easy for us to set up a dual DVM/MPH program which is only offered at a handful of U.S. Schools. We also have dual degree programs where you can get a MSc in Wildlife Medicine and Marine Medicine. How many U.S. schools can you take a boat out and go Dolphin Watching? You can at SGU.

3) Clinical rotations at any one of our affiliated schools. This advantage is often overlooked. We are affiliated with 22 of the 28 vet schools in the U.S. 2 out of 5 in Canada, 2 in the U.K., one in Australia, and 1 in Ireland. This gives our students the opportunity to choose which school they want to go to for their clinical rotations. Although all the schools offer the same core rotations, each school has their own speciality. For example, if one of our students wants to go into Equine Medicine, they can choose to go to the University of Pennsylvania where they have the New Bolton Center, and they can get that added equine experience. Some of the schools we are affiliated with have agreements with local zoos where students can do their electives to get extra exotic experience. Chosing your 4th year school is a big advantage.

4) Weather. It is a whole lot nicer working on the farm in January in 85 degree weather than 25 degree weather.


To paint a clear picture, there are some drawbacks as well. First you are a long way away from home, and that in itself can be stressful for some people.

The Island of Grenada is small. There are less than 100,000 people on the entire island. So obvioulsy you will not find the huge shopping malls and movie theatres that you would find in the U.S. That doesn't mean that they don't have stores and movie theatres, because they do. Everything is just on a much smaller scale.

And of course, as mentioned the additional exam. Currently our students do need to take the ECFVG .... O R .... the PAVE depending on where they want to practice. Although it is an extra hurdle, our students have been very well prepared for them and successful with passing them.

SGU has been in the accreditation process and is working very hard towards this goal. We are determined to achieve full accreditation which would eliminate the need for our students to sit either of this additional exams.

COST. This is often a big misconception. Our tuition averages to be roughly $25,000 per year. So in most cases our tuition is cheaper than for U.S. students attending a school outside of their own state, or a state in which their state has a contract with. Of course you have to factor in living and travel expenses which we estimate to be roughtly $16,000 per year. That includes room/board/flights...everything.

Now here is something I tell everyone to think about. I see many students get rejected from U.S. schools, and in order to get in, it is suggested to them to either re-take classes, or get a master's degree. Others just reapply year after year. In many cases they get in on their 2nd, 3rd or 4th attempt, but what did that just cost you? Not only did you spend money to take/retake whatever classes, but you just lost 1,2,3 years off of the amount of time you will be practicing as a DVM. If you calculate 2 years of DVM salary that you just lost, you can see it is a lot cheaper NOT to wait and to go to a Caribbean School.

Student Loans. I read a post about the Stafford Loans. Our Medical School has had the Stafford Loans for many many years. However our Veterinary school does not currently have it (but has been trying to obtain). Nothing Shady about it...

SGU can however help students get loans that mirror the Stafford Loans. SGU also has several scholarship opportunities that can greatly reduce your cost of attendance.

Again I just want to say I am not here to say SGU is a better option than the U.S. schools. I just wanted to clear up some misconceptions, and let you know it is a very viable option for students not getting into U.S. schools solely due to the lack of seats available.

Please don't take my word for any of this. Feel free to contact me and I will put you in touch with any of my grads now happily working in a town near you.

If you have any questions, please please please, don't hesitate to ask me, or attend one of our open house presentations.

Sincerely,
 
I really appreciate this post, Jeff! I am in the process of applying to a few different Veterinary Schools -- US and Caribbean. I've recently had doubts about going to the Caribbean, and considered just waiting a year (or two) and re applying to US schools.

But this post puts my thoughts to ease. The thought of spending more money and putting off becoming a DVM is not so appealing anymore.

So, thank you.
 
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most vet students i've talked to did their first spay/neuters in their 3rd year. that seems to be pretty common nowadays.
 
Jeff,

Regarding the spays and neuters - are those kill surgeries (i.e. are the animals euthanised after or shortly after surgery, or re-used for other surgeries)?
 
No. These animals are not euthanised. All of these animals are well taken care and returned to their owners, or if they were strays, put up for adoption.

I know terminal surgeries are a concern for some students. This topic came up a few months for me and I had one of my grads write an e-mail detailing her expereince so prospective students could get an idea of what our students do. Here is her e-mail:

SGU students have a lot of opportunity to gain clinical experiences
through labs- it's definitely a plus for the program and I think it
gives our students an advantage in clinics. In most instances these
experiences involve live animals (palpations, physical examinations,
blood sampling, etc), and in some instances involve cadavers (anatomy
lab specimens) and terminal surgical procedures. Three (two pigs, one
goat or sheep) terminal procedure laboratories are conducted each
semester by fifth-term students who will then go on to perform survival
surgeries (spays, neuters, etc). The animals used during the labs are
in no way abused or mistreated prior to the procedures and are humanely
euthanized while under anesthesia when the procedures are through. The
vast majority of students find the labs to be very rewarding
experiences.
The faculty, from my experience, is generally quite considerate of
students who do not wish to participate in practices they
deem "unethical". Since the surgical labs are performed in teams of
three (surgeon, assistant surgeon, and anesthetist), you may choose to
volunteer for the anesthetist role in the terminal procedures. Since
the course is graded, I am not sure that you would be permitted to skip
those three labs entirely.
Please don't think that SGU's animal welfare policies are sub-par.
The university does try to ensure that our guidelines are aligned with
those set forth by the AVMA (which affirms responsible use of animals
for human purposes, ie: education). Also, live animal use and terminal
surgeries are still performed elsewhere in the US, and many programs
that have eliminated the use of live animals have simply done so
because it's cheaper for them monitarily.



Jeff,

Regarding the spays and neuters - are those kill surgeries (i.e. are the animals euthanised after or shortly after surgery, or re-used for other surgeries)?
 
I have a great friend who is in medical school at St. Matthew's University and is doing very well. I am certain that she will be a phenomenal clinician. However she has expressed to me that she has been disappointed with the quality of the instruction at St. Matthew's (we were in graduate school together at Boston University School of Medicine). She also was utterly disappointed by the quality of the students. She said that they were unmotivated (more interested in getting drunk and laying on the beach) and a lot of them were there because they "had" to go to medical school to please their parents. Sadly most of her classmates are no longer in her class because they have flunked out or repeated multiple semesters and she subsequently found herself feeling lonely and in desperate need of study partners. She has said that if she had a choice she would definitely choose to attend an accredited school in the US.

Everyone's experience will be somewhat different and my friend has made the best out of her situation and will graduate with a MD/MBA and be an awesome clinician but don't go into this experience with rose tinted glasses. It is what it is.


.... I am attending St Matthews this fall (starting next week)... should I be concerned? I know that I will not lie around and drink all the time... but I am paying big bucks to go to this school! Any positive feedback about St M?
 
.... I am attending St Matthews this fall (starting next week)... should I be concerned? I know that I will not lie around and drink all the time... but I am paying big bucks to go to this school! Any positive feedback about St M?

St. Matthew's University School of Veterinary Medicine was established in 2005 so they won't have any graduates until 2009 presumably. I don't think anyone knows this early on about the integrity of the program. If you work hard you will do great. I wouldn't worry. Good luck!!!
 
I'm not positive about the Veterinary school, but I do know an MD that graduated from St Matthews. He is a wonderful Doctor now! He has nothing but good things to say about the program.

I wouldn't be too worried about it. Good luck!
 
I have an undergrad GPA that was a stumbling block for Vet school. I looked into the Caribbean schools, after 5 rejections and 1 wait list offer, and decided it was not for me. The bottom line was that none of them are AVMA accredited. I was told that the schools are working on accreditations, but they don't have it. That would mean more red tape than I want to deal with upon graduation.

There are other options out there, like the AVMA accredited foreign schools. You can find them on the AVMA website. I've just started my first semester at Murdoch University in Perth, AU and I could not be happier. I'm in a program for 4.5 years at an accredited school. I qualify for Federal financial Aid. I'm in a developed city of 1.6 Mill in a beautiful part of the world. My degree will allow me to work all over the world. I just have to take the NAVLE like any other North American grad.
 
I'm a little confused. Can you get a DVM with that school? (And other schools in Canada, Australia, Scotland I'm curious about.) From what my impression was that you can't get a DVM from these schools, but you can get a bachelors of Veterinary Science. Please correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm curious about applying in those places as well.
 
I believe in the Caribbean you get a DVM but at the schools in AUS and the UK you get a bachelors of veterinary science (BVSc). I don't know about Canada. Maybe birdvet (or someone else) can enlighten us.
 
From what my impression was that you can't get a DVM from these schools, but you can get a bachelors of Veterinary Science.

true, but a bachelors of Vet Sc. is equivalent to a DVM and practices just as well.
 
about terminal surgeries in the US....i know someone from (i think michigan) that said that they do it...but its an elective. so you dont have to do it. something like that. i still have one more year to apply to vet school, but im thinking that if i get my masters i'll have more time to get experience and maybe more time to do the GRE if i need to. the only problem i have about caribbean school (or even out of the country schools) is that i plan on taking my family (which includes 3 dogs, a turtle, and a parakeet). so i think thats the only thing stopping me for now of applying right after college.
 
So what is the difference between having a DVM and a Bachelors of Veterinary Science? I guess I just don't understand what the difference is besides having DVM by your name?

Is it a difference like being a PA and a MD?
 
So what is the difference between having a DVM and a Bachelors of Veterinary Science? I guess I just don't understand what the difference is besides having DVM by your name?

Is it a difference like being a PA and a MD?

The only difference in practical terms is the name.
 
So what is the difference between having a DVM and a Bachelors of Veterinary Science? I guess I just don't understand what the difference is besides having DVM by your name?

Is it a difference like being a PA and a MD?

There isn't any difference except the letters behind your name. At a US school you get either a VMD or a DVM. Both make you a fully licensed practicing vet (upon passing your NAVLE). Receiving a BVSc also makes you a fully licensed practicing vet (upon passing your NAVLE); it is just another set of letters that mean the same thing as a DVM.

You can still be called "Doctor" if that is what people usually call their vets in that area/practice. I do know some vets that go by first name by choice. The foreign schools (found at: http://www.avma.org/education/cvea/colleges_accredited/foreign.asp) are accredited colleges of veterinary medicine. You are a practicing Vet (not veterinary PA) when you graduate.

These schools seem to be gaining in popularity as more people learn about them. North American students are sought after (from what I can tell). In Australia, for instance, international students are the only students to pay full fees, while Aussie students are government subsidized. So it is in the vet school's best interest to have international students. Further North American applicants have more educational and veterinary experience. So even though my GPA wasn't great by US vet school standards my 5 years in a SA clinic and the fact that I had two degrees prior to application made me more competitive. The criteria at Murdoch favors people like me, lots of experience, great LOR, good PS, a commitment to the career and prior undergrad education. It does not lean so heavily on uber high GPA. As the program gains popularity I suspect the the mean GPA of accepted students will rise. I doubt it will ever be quite as bad as in the US.

Practically, is it just like going to school in the US. The differences being program length, 5 years is standard in foreign schools, cost (less for me at Murdoch than my in state, Tufts, would have been), age of classmates (most are younger) and having the experience of living another country for 4-5 yrs.

Sorry, that was a bit of a long rant. I just wish people understood their options better.
 
There are all sorts of reasons for why some people regard caribbean vet schools as the last resort, but it's ultimately because of ignorance. I have always believed that the school you go to is much less important than the individual who chose to go there. I know of many Ross graduates (especially those of the early classes when the school was unestablished) who are now professors at places like Cornell and UF. And animal planet just featured some veterinarian who graduated from St. George's. So it's obvious to me that all of these schools give you the tools to succeed. If someone is scared away because of the extra steps like the PAVE or ECFVG, then they probably aren't cut out to be a veterinarian in the first place.

I'm a student at St. Matthew's and so far I am happy with the quality of education here. After my first semester I already know 5 knots and 2 suture techniques, but my friends at A&M who just completed their first year have not been taught that.

But many of the students get too caught up in it being a new school and all of the uncertainty associated with that. But all of us knew that before we came here. As long as you are flexible and focused, you won't be disappointed.

And if you get the new school jitters, just go to St. George's. I know their curriculum is stronger than ours because they have been at this longer than we have. I almost went there, but I've been visiting Grand Cayman since I was 12 so I felt much more comfortable coming here to study.

I'd also like to note that as the shortage of veterinarians continues to increase, the school that he or she went to becomes less and less important.
 
In Australia, for instance, international students are the only students to pay full fees, while Aussie students are government subsidized. So it is in the vet school's best interest to have international students.

(Off topic but just to clarify, there are actually "government supported" and "full fee paying" local students in Australia. Government supported students will eventually pay around $8000 AU per year whilst full fee payers pay more like $32,000, slightly less than the internationals. Vet schools are limited to having 35% of local students as fee paying so it is indeed in their best interests to attract as many internationals as possible)
 
.... I am attending St Matthews this fall (starting next week)... should I be concerned? I know that I will not lie around and drink all the time... but I am paying big bucks to go to this school! Any positive feedback about St M?


i have a friend who's starting st. matthews next week, too! she's leaving for the islands next thursday.i think she may be in ur class 🙂
 
(Off topic but just to clarify, there are actually "government supported" and "full fee paying" local students in Australia. Government supported students will eventually pay around $8000 AU per year whilst full fee payers pay more like $32,000, slightly less than the internationals. Vet schools are limited to having 35% of local students as fee paying so it is indeed in their best interests to attract as many internationals as possible)

Thanks for the clarification. Murdoch went over all sorts of numbers with us but didn't include that point 🙂
 
Practically, is it just like going to school in the US. The differences being program length, 5 years is standard in foreign schools, cost (less for me at Murdoch than my in state, Tufts, would have been), age of classmates (most are younger) and having the experience of living another country for 4-5 yrs.

Well, don't forget the fact that studying in a different country means that your examinations and such will be of a different style. In Scotland/UK, you get a lot of essay questions (on almost all exams) and some horrid multiple choice (where you get negative marking), and many oral and practical exams. At Glasgow, the final exam is entirely practical and oral. There was one major examination per year, counting towards 85% or more of your grade - and only one grade per class (and you'd only take about 4 classes) per year. To me, the different exam and class structure really messed me up. I am almost certain I would have done better, grade-wise, if I had remained in the USA. But I'm still happy with my outcome.
 
After my first semester I already know 5 knots and 2 suture techniques, but my friends at A&M who just completed their first year have not been taught that.

...and this makes your education better in some way? Every school's curriculum is different, but the *outcome* is what matters. I bet those Texas A&M students will know those practical techniques by the time they graduate. That's all that matters (IMO).
 
I'm a little confused. Can you get a DVM with that school? (And other schools in Canada, Australia, Scotland I'm curious about.) From what my impression was that you can't get a DVM from these schools, but you can get a bachelors of Veterinary Science. Please correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm curious about applying in those places as well.

I have a BVMS from the University of Glasgow. I am a qualified veterinarian practicing in the USA, this being my second year "out". No big deal, and it's even kind of nice to have "different letters" after your name (you may also put MRCVS after BVMS or whatever the degree is, if you remain a member of the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons). I introduce myself as "Dr" and staff address me as "Dr" around clients.
 
There are all sorts of reasons for why some people regard caribbean vet schools as the last resort, but it's ultimately because of ignorance. I have always believed that the school you go to is much less important than the individual who chose to go there. I know of many Ross graduates (especially those of the early classes when the school was unestablished) who are now professors at places like Cornell and UF. And animal planet just featured some veterinarian who graduated from St. George's. So it's obvious to me that all of these schools give you the tools to succeed. If someone is scared away because of the extra steps like the PAVE or ECFVG, then they probably aren't cut out to be a veterinarian in the first place.

I'm a student at St. Matthew's and so far I am happy with the quality of education here. After my first semester I already know 5 knots and 2 suture techniques, but my friends at A&M who just completed their first year have not been taught that.

But many of the students get too caught up in it being a new school and all of the uncertainty associated with that. But all of us knew that before we came here. As long as you are flexible and focused, you won't be disappointed.

And if you get the new school jitters, just go to St. George's. I know their curriculum is stronger than ours because they have been at this longer than we have. I almost went there, but I've been visiting Grand Cayman since I was 12 so I felt much more comfortable coming here to study.

I'd also like to note that as the shortage of veterinarians continues to increase, the school that he or she went to becomes less and less important.

Choosing to attend an unaccredited graduate school in the Caribbean is not a casual undertaking. It is certainly not for everyone. I don't think the fact that it is a last resort for most students is necessarily out of ignorance.

I don't think anyone is attacking Caribbean schools of Veterinary Medicine. Clearly people graduate from these schools and do well.

However attending a school where the acceptance rate is close to 30% where the acceptance rates are closer to 10% at someplace like Tufts, the acceptance criteria is more relaxed, it is unaccredited, it can be more expensive in terms of the availability of federal loans, and in the case of St. Matthew's has absolutely no history. It can be a daunting prospect. Not a decision to be made lightly. It's not for everyone but it clearly works for some.
 
Choosing to attend an unaccredited graduate school in the Caribbean is not a casual undertaking. It is certainly not for everyone. I don't think the fact that it is a last resort for most students is necessarily out of ignorance.

I don't think anyone is attacking Caribbean schools of Veterinary Medicine. Clearly people graduate from these schools and do well.

However attending a school where the acceptance rate is close to 30% where the acceptance rates are closer to 10% at someplace like Tufts, the acceptance criteria is more relaxed, it is unaccredited, it can be more expensive in terms of the availability of federal loans, and in the case of St. Matthew's has absolutely no history. It can be a daunting prospect. Not a decision to be made lightly. It's not for everyone but it clearly works for some.

The only real difference is that we would have to write those extra exams in order to practice in the US/Canada (ECFVG and/or PAVE). I believe what aggie said, its the individual (not the school) that will make or break someone as a veternarian. I have a friend in vetschool now and unless she wants to do research (not deal with public) then she is in trouble! She is not exactly the most social (street smart may be a better word) person. If we were to have job interviews for the same position I would probably get it over her since I am much more friendly and charismatic. Would a clinic be more likely to favor her (since she graduated from the US) or me as a carib grad?
 
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After my first semester I already know 5 knots and 2 suture techniques, but my friends at A&M who just completed their first year have not been taught that.


...and this makes your education better in some way? Every school's curriculum is different, but the *outcome* is what matters. I bet those Texas A&M students will know those practical techniques by the time they graduate. That's all that matters (IMO).


That wasn't the message I was trying to send. I was only trying to demonstrate that we are receiving a good education. As is the case in Glasgow, things are taught differently in the caribbean schools as well. A&M students get around to what we learned this semester later (and vice versa). My dad went to A&M's vet school, and I did my undergrad there. I'd never say that their curriculum isn't as good as what I'm in right now.

As any caribbean veterinary student can tell you, coming down here was not a casual undertaking as someone in this forum recently suggested. While some American students come straight down here without ever applying to the states, most of us have applied to US vet schools more than once. In Texas, a 3.4 GPA is simply not competitive. I felt that coming to the caribbean was a more efficient use of my time than re-applying several, several times like many of my friends did.

Several students at St. Matthew's have been offered positions in US veterinary schools after completing semesters here with good grades. So it's apparent to me that our curriculum must at least meet minimum standards or no one would be interested in accepting transfer students from this location.

Cambridge University is not AVMA accredited either. They must not be a good school either. Hm, imagine that.
 
She is not exactly the most social (street smart may be a better word) person. If we were to have job interviews for the same position I would probably get it over her since I am much more friendly and charismatic. Would a clinic be more likely to favor her (since she graduated from the US) or me as a carib grad?


The most common complaint of employers is the new graduates' inability to communicate. The clinic I work for tried out a recent A&M graduate. She was a very knowledgeable young lady, but she hasn't figured out how to dumb it down a bit so clients can understand what is going on. Consequently, she's no longer employed there.

I have personal friends from caribbean schools who are making over 100,000 a year at clinics in the states. When you graduate from here you'll be well equipped to do just about anything you want to do. The individual makes that choice, not your alma mater.
 
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Cambridge University is not AVMA accredited either. They must not be a good school either. Hm, imagine that.

You don't seem to get it: no one here is saying that schools are inferior, or that they are inferior because they are not AVMA accredited.
 
This is a warning/ suggestion from me. After months of being excited to finally be going to veterinary school, I just found out I will not be able to get enough loans to go. Please, save yourself alot of heartache and apply for your loans before you even apply to the Carribean schools. If you get approved you dont have to accept them right away and at least you will know that you wont have another stumbling block in what is starting to feel like an impossible endeavor. Sorry to be so negative, but I just wish I had a better experience to share. I was accepted to SMU, so other schools may give you better options, but SMU basically has 2 lenders and both require a co-signer. In case your wondering, I also applied to the dual MBA/DVM program to get some Federal money but you will only get 20,000 per 2 semesters, which DU keeps about $5000 of that. Which leaves you with a pitiful amount that doesnt even begin to cover your expenses at SMU. If you can cover the rest on your own then your golden, if not well you get the picture.
 
im applying to ross and st. george's...hopefully i get to attend vet school this year....😛
 
LVT2DM-I'm sorry to hear about the loan issue...I got accepted to Ross recently, and had to turn them down due to another in-U.S. interview...yes, I'm rolling the dice! In the end I may have to apply there again, and I'm not sure how they would look at a 2nd-time applicant after turning down the first offer...but I think that SGU and Ross are great options for those of us that, for whatever reason, can't get one of those coveted seats at a U.S. school.

FWIW, I was told at my Ross interview that they have another AVMA site visit this year, and if they get accredited all current student will be 'grandfathered', meaning that they would not have to take the ECFVG. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions about Ross, I'll do my best to answer...
 
I had the same issues with SMU. I loved the idea and would have finished 2 semesters there already if it hadn't been for their loans... I was denied with a co-signor. So I applied again to US schools (and was denied again) and am now looking at Ross and SGU.

I'm mainly considering SGU because of the possibility of transferring to a US school. I'll go to any one! Anyone know someone who transfered- or tried to transfer?

Ross is my best bet b/c of the Stafford loans. I called the AVMA- which stated that Ross and SGU both are in the same stage. Neither had asked the AVMA to do the deciding visit. Ross's dean and SGU both tell me this visit will be 2009/2010. So I'm not holding my breath.....
 
I'm mainly considering SGU because of the possibility of transferring to a US school. I'll go to any one! Anyone know someone who transfered- or tried to transfer?quote]

KSU just admitted three SGU students for my year and 14 (!) SGU students to join the second-year class this semester. They are VERY excited to be here!!!
 
KSU just admitted three SGU students for my year and 14 (!) SGU students to join the second-year class this semester. They are VERY excited to be here!!!

Would you mind to ask any of them to contact me? My friend knows one of the students who transfered into the 1st year class- I am dying for him to call me 🙂
 
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