Case or Ohio State

[gbbdoc]

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Anyone know people who go to either of these schools? What are their opinions? I know Case is ranked higher, but I was more impressed with OSUs facilities, and they are aiming to gain enough research dollars to be a top 5-10 school within 5 years. In addition, Case is under a lot of financial strain, and a recent article in the Cleveland Plain Dealer covered the med school dean's discontent with the school. Any thoughts?

 

[DoctorMoLLY]

Hi!

I interviewed at both OSU (December) and Case (January). I was definitely more impressed by the facilities and the quality of interview day at OSU. I have no doubt that OSU will continue to rise in rank in the coming years. If you couple that with the cost (public vs. private, I'm an OH resident), OSU was the obvious choice for me.
Don't let Case's prestegious reputation make the decision for you, especially if you're questioning whether the reputation is warranted.


Good luck with your decision. Maybe I'll see you in Columbus in August!

 

[happydays]

I was incredibly impressed by OSU when I was there. Their facilities made me feel as if I was at UMich.

 

[gbbdoc]

Hi!

I interviewed at both OSU (December) and Case (January). I was definitely more impressed by the facilities and the quality of interview day at OSU. I have no doubt that OSU will continue to rise in rank in the coming years. If you couple that with the cost (public vs. private, I'm an OH resident), OSU was the obvious choice for me.
Don't let Case's prestegious reputation make the decision for you, especially if you're questioning whether the reputation is warranted.


Good luck with your decision. Maybe I'll see you in Columbus in August!

Yeah, those are all the reasons why I am leaning towards OSU. I'm from Cleveland and work at Case now, so I am strongly considering it as well. Are you going to the second look day this coming Sat?

 

[exmike]

I chose case over osu 🙂

every school is tryign to get more of the same NIH research dollar pie. Every school wants to be top 10. Its just a line to toss to applicants on interview day

 

[GasGuy2010]

Anyone know people who go to either of these schools? What are their opinions? I know Case is ranked higher, but I was more impressed with OSUs facilities, and they are aiming to gain enough research dollars to be a top 5-10 school within 5 years. In addition, Case is under a lot of financial strain, and a recent article in the Cleveland Plain Dealer covered the med school dean's discontent with the school. Any thoughts?

Is there a link to this article anywhere??

 

[BlondieMD]

Yeah, those are all the reasons why I am leaning towards OSU. I'm from Cleveland and work at Case now, so I am strongly considering it as well. Are you going to the second look day this coming Sat?

Personally, I think you should choose Case...because I want to get off the waitlist at OSU! Both are great schools...think about where you fit in most...the only interesting thing that happened at OSU during my interview was someone mentioned a dip in their board scores over the past few years...and they didn't give specifics and didn't address the avg. board score and residency match rates there. I would be interested to see those numbers from OSU AND Case before I started comparing them...board score averages can really come into play when you are looking at more competitive residency matches...something to think about!

 

[BOBODR]

Anyone know people who go to either of these schools? What are their opinions? I know Case is ranked higher, but I was more impressed with OSUs facilities, and they are aiming to gain enough research dollars to be a top 5-10 school within 5 years. In addition, Case is under a lot of financial strain, and a recent article in the Cleveland Plain Dealer covered the med school dean's discontent with the school. Any thoughts?

speaking of ohio schools what are your guys thoughts on Cinci? 😕

 

[DoctorMoLLY]

Yeah, those are all the reasons why I am leaning towards OSU. I'm from Cleveland and work at Case now, so I am strongly considering it as well. Are you going to the second look day this coming Sat?

gbbdoc,
I'll be at 2nd look this Saturday! Hopefully it won't be too much of the same stuff from interview day! 👍 👍 see you there

 

[DoctorMoLLY]

speaking of ohio schools what are your guys thoughts on Cinci? 😕

I really liked Cincinnati when I interviewed in November. My final decision came down to Ohio State vs. UC.

The students really seem to have strong unity and helpful attitudes. My interview with the adcocm member was so relaxed and stress free. The only thing that made me a little nervous was the neighborhood (of course, many med schools are not in great areas) and the construction (which was kinda a pain, but will only last another year).
OSU won out for me because it was closer to my family and the facilities seemed a lot nicer.

 

[gbbdoc]

Is there a link to this article anywhere??

Here's the article I was referring to:

http://www.cleveland.com/search/index.ssf?/base/news/1143193082271760.xml?nnmed&coll=2

 

[funshine]

Here's the article I was referring to:

http://www.cleveland.com/search/index.ssf?/base/news/1143193082271760.xml?nnmed&coll=2

whoa, you're proof that Case does in fact directly accept people from the "on-hold" list. congrats...and I'd choose OSU. I loved their campus/facilities too, and it's nice to see that verified by other people. I thought maybe I was just biased b/c the weather was so beautiful the day I visited 🙂

 

[Mixtli]

whoa, you're proof that Case does in fact directly accept people from the "on-hold" list. congrats...and I'd choose OSU. I loved their campus/facilities too, and it's nice to see that verified by other people. I thought maybe I was just biased b/c the weather was so beautiful the day I visited 🙂

Both great schools, but OSU is hella lot cheaper if you are in-state.

 

[bamf7]

I'm currently on hold at Case and accepted at OSU. I went (just graduated) to OSU undergrad and will be at the second look day Saturday. I think that if I get into Case I will go there. I would be lying if I said the prestige didn't play a role in the decision. However, it's mostly because I am in need of a change. I could very easily change my mind or might not even get in Case. Who knows at this point. Anyway, I got this email form OSU a week ago:

Match Day Results for Med 4 Students

Four years of anticipation became a reality for our seniors on Match Day, March 16, at the Fawcett Center Auditorium. Our students continued the OSU tradition of matching in competitive programs and specialties:
· 197 students have first-year positions, and 37 have also matched for PGY 2 specialties. Five students matched through the military.

· 25 students will be at the OSU Medical Center for PGY 1 or 2, 10 at Children’s/OSU, 27 students at Riverside for PGY 1 (17 of which will be there for PGY 1 only before moving on to a separate PGY 2 program), and 7 at Mt. Carmel (3 of whom will move on for PGY 2).

· Elsewhere in Ohio: 7 students in Cincinnati for PGY 1 or 2, 4 in Akron, and 11 in Cleveland.

And where will they be calling home next year? The soon-to-be graduates will be scattered in 30 states and the District of Columbia. A total of 104 will be staying in Ohio for PGY 1; 12 to California; 5 to the North Carolina university triangle area; 6 to Washington, D.C.; 7 to Chicago; 7 to St. Louis; and 7 to Ann Arbor (where Heather Hervey-Jumper says that they will all rent in the same neighborhood and hang out OSU Buckeye flags to create a bit of Columbus in Michigan).

Distribution of specialties include: Internal medicine (39); pediatrics (17); emergency medicine (15); family practice, including psychiatry/family practice (15); anesthesiology (14); general surgery (13); obstetrics/gynecology (11); ophthalmology (10); orthopaedics (8); 6 each in medicine/pediatrics, psychiatry, and radiology; 5 each in neurology, otolaryngology, and pathology; 3 in dermatology; 2 in physical medicine and rehabilitation; and 1 each in neurosurgery, plastic surgery, preventive medicine, radiation oncology, and urology.

Complete MATCH information will be available on the College of Medicine web site very soon.

Does anyone have the match list for Case from this year?

 

[exmike]

Case's match was great this year (great programs too)

132 students

highlights

13 - Diagnostic Radiology
13 - Emergency Med
9 - Anesthesia
7 - Gen Surg
6 - Orthopedic Surgery
5 - Dermatology
5 - Ophthalmology
4 - Neurology
3 - ENT
2 - Neurosurgery
2 - OMFS
1 - Plastic
1 - Urology

 

[bamf7]

Case's match was great this year (great programs too)

132 students

highlights

13 - Diagnostic Radiology
13 - Emergency Med
9 - Anesthesia
7 - Gen Surg
6 - Orthopedic Surgery
5 - Dermatology
5 - Ophthalmology
4 - Neurology
3 - ENT
2 - Neurosurgery
2 - OMFS
1 - Plastic
1 - Urology

That's pretty. 😍

 

[Shredder]

every school is tryign to get more of the same NIH research dollar pie. Every school wants to be top 10. Its just a line to toss to applicants on interview day

👍

i didnt see case but i thought ohio state was nice, columbus too. i know ppl who have described cleveland as a "wasteland" 😕

go to case, the rep is stronger. speaking of deans, if im not mistaken ohios bailed suddenly a few months ago

 

[bamf7]

👍

i didnt see case but i thought ohio state was nice, columbus too. i know ppl who have described cleveland as a "wasteland" 😕

go to case, the rep is stronger. speaking of deans, if im not mistaken ohios bailed suddenly a few months ago

No, the dean created a new dean spot because there was too much work for one person. I'll post the email I got from them about that when I get home from work.

 

[LadyWolverine]

OSU... 👎

But then again, I'm biased. 🙂

 

[bamf7]

I've got that email about the new dean but it's really long. PM me if you want it.

 

[QofQuimica]

Anyone know people who go to either of these schools? What are their opinions? I know Case is ranked higher, but I was more impressed with OSUs facilities, and they are aiming to gain enough research dollars to be a top 5-10 school within 5 years. In addition, Case is under a lot of financial strain, and a recent article in the Cleveland Plain Dealer covered the med school dean's discontent with the school. Any thoughts?

I didn't apply to OSU, but I thought Case was great. Their curriculum is new and not so lecture-focused, they have P/F for the first two years, there is a major research and public health focus, and they have a lot of diversity in their student body, including a sizeable minority of older students and foreigners as well as racial minorities. Really the biggest disadvantages are the cost and the location, but I can't imagine that I'd be too fond of the weather in Columbus, either. (I'm currently in Florida. 😛 )

I would suggest that you re-visit both schools and get your financial aid packages before you decide. If you like OSU better and feel more comfortable there, then go there, and let USNWR be d***ed. You'll get a great education at either school if you put in the effort, so don't let a bunch of magazine editors decide what's best for you. 🙂

 

[Camel]

I'm trying to decide between Case, MUO, and OSU, yay Ohio schools. Case's curriculum was extraordinary. OSU's was plain, but their facilities were excellent. MUO had a decent mix of both, but nothign extreme. I loved MUO's location (very open, lotsa parking, lotsa treeage), but the weather will be horrible. Cleveland just didn't agree with me. Don't quote me on this, but if I'm not mistaken they get less than 50 days of sunlight a year? It's some crazy statistic that makes me shiver. I actually prefer extreme cold to extreme heat (you can put on more clothes... there's a limit to how much clothing you can remove, lol), but I can't say for certain how I'd handle it for 4 years. I'm in Ohio right now so it's already pretty cold, but I'm closer to Cinci. Less lake effect.

 

[exmike]

I'm trying to decide between Case, MUO, and OSU, yay Ohio schools. Case's curriculum was extraordinary. OSU's was plain, but their facilities were excellent. MUO had a decent mix of both, but nothign extreme. I loved MUO's location (very open, lotsa parking, lotsa treeage), but the weather will be horrible. Cleveland just didn't agree with me. Don't quote me on this, but if I'm not mistaken they get less than 50 days of sunlight a year? It's some crazy statistic that makes me shiver. I actually prefer extreme cold to extreme heat (you can put on more clothes... there's a limit to how much clothing you can remove, lol), but I can't say for certain how I'd handle it for 4 years. I'm in Ohio right now so it's already pretty cold, but I'm closer to Cinci. Less lake effect.

Cleveland is only two hours from columbus, i'm pretty sure the weather is pretty similar. Yes, its quite dreary in the winter, but 50 days of sunlight? thats seattle!

Oh yeah, and toledo is only 2 hrs from cleveland. How can the weather be that different in three cities. You're in the midwest, the weather is going to suck no matter where you are!

 

[BOBODR]

I'm trying to decide between Case, MUO, and OSU, yay Ohio schools. Case's curriculum was extraordinary. OSU's was plain, but their facilities were excellent. MUO had a decent mix of both, but nothign extreme. I loved MUO's location (very open, lotsa parking, lotsa treeage), but the weather will be horrible. Cleveland just didn't agree with me. Don't quote me on this, but if I'm not mistaken they get less than 50 days of sunlight a year? It's some crazy statistic that makes me shiver. I actually prefer extreme cold to extreme heat (you can put on more clothes... there's a limit to how much clothing you can remove, lol), but I can't say for certain how I'd handle it for 4 years. I'm in Ohio right now so it's already pretty cold, but I'm closer to Cinci. Less lake effect.

Who no cinci consideration? just curious

 

[FutureDrKt]

I think Cleveland is getting a bit of a bad rap here. I'm a Case undergrad, and the weather isn't that much worse than in the rest of Ohio. I would say there are 10 days a year when the wind is AWFUL and you feel cold all day. Other than that, the lake-effect snow usually misses Case to go further east and yes the sun is visible fairly often (today was gorgeous for example).
As far as the Case med school, I didn't even interview there, but I know the administration of the university as a whole is really focused on making ties with Cleveland Clinic and University Hospitals, and there is a concerted effort to boost Case in the rankings in all the colleges. The Case med students I know are very happy, but I have never heard of anyone happier with their med school than the students at OSU.

 

[Messerschmitts]

I'd pick OSU because Case is only slightly better, but OSU is a lot cheaper. That said, both schools are awesome. Why am I still deferred for both? LET ME IN, one of you! 😛

 

[Camel]

Lol, just wanted to clarify, I didn't cover every aspect of every school in my post. Toledo will have similar weather to Cleveland, though I've heard less lake effect. Columbus is not near a lake. I'm not a weather expert, I was just musing on that stuff. My main reasons are financial. Incidentally, that's why UC isn't in the running...

 

[bioghabmed]

I know this is a bit off topic, but I was wondering what happens to deferred applicants at OSU. I interviewed in December and was deferred a couple of weeks later. How is a deferral different from a waitlist? 😕

 

[MD Wiggy]

I'd like to hear what people have to say about OSU and Cinci. I'm trying to make the decision between those two places also.

Camel: Why isn't UC in the running for you? If OSU is cheaper why wouldn't UC be cheaper also?

I can't seem to point to anyone thing that says choose one over the other. As far as cirricula go, in the first year UC has gross throughout the whole year and OSU has gross for 10 or 12 weeks at the beginning and then dissection is over. I can't seem to find the difference, if any in the amount of non-lecture (PBL etc) between the two schools. Anyone have any insights?

 

[Emergency!]

I can't seem to point to anyone thing that says choose one over the other. As far as cirricula go, in the first year UC has gross throughout the whole year and OSU has gross for 10 or 12 weeks at the beginning and then dissection is over. I can't seem to find the difference, if any in the amount of non-lecture (PBL etc) between the two schools. Anyone have any insights?

I think (someone correct me if I'm wrong) that at UC they have test weeks where they have tests over all of the subject matter being studied (i.e. a biochem test, a micro test, etc.) This is just based on my recollection of looking at their schedule last year. At OSU, there is a test every three to four weeks. ONE test on ONE test day over all of the material from the past three weeks.

For me, a big plus in OSU's favor was the choice between the Integrated Pathway and the Independent Study Pathway - even though at the time, I was absolutely positive that I was NOT going to do ISP and wasn't even all that interested in it.

Some of the factors that tipped the scale against Cinci for me: 1- Housing. Seems to be more expensive in Cinci than Columbus, and a little more imperative to get housing lined up early than in Columbus. 2 - Construction. The fact that the construction was not going to be done until after I was done with my two years of dealing with it was a big negative for UC.

Both are great schools - I would pick the one that you think you will have the best fit at.

 

[Camel]

Camel: Why isn't UC in the running for you? If OSU is cheaper why wouldn't UC be cheaper also?

Lol, Wiggy, I believe we know each other 🙂 Anyways, I didn't say anything about OSU's costs. I am hoping to be at least considered for a scholarship; UC isn't giving me that consideration. Nothing against them, I'm sure they have valid reasons, but I also have to make decisions based on my circumstances. MUO and Case are high up because they make their consideration explicit. OSU hasn't, but I heard that they do offer some... In any case, my career goals are much more in line with "the school doesn't matter" to a certain extent as long as it fits me. All of the schools I applied to fit me, so it will come down to costs.

 

[bee3]

I think (someone correct me if I'm wrong) that at UC they have test weeks where they have tests over all of the subject matter being studied (i.e. a biochem test, a micro test, etc.) This is just based on my recollection of looking at their schedule last year. At OSU, there is a test every three to four weeks. ONE test on ONE test day over all of the material from the past three weeks.

For me, a big plus in OSU's favor was the choice between the Integrated Pathway and the Independent Study Pathway - even though at the time, I was absolutely positive that I was NOT going to do ISP and wasn't even all that interested in it.

Some of the factors that tipped the scale against Cinci for me: 1- Housing. Seems to be more expensive in Cinci than Columbus, and a little more imperative to get housing lined up early than in Columbus. 2 - Construction. The fact that the construction was not going to be done until after I was done with my two years of dealing with it was a big negative for UC.

Both are great schools - I would pick the one that you think you will have the best fit at.

One benefit of Cincinnati's year long anatomy course is that it follows their organ-based systems in lecture. So, for example, when you are learning about the renal system you may be dissecting the kidneys, studying their histology in lab, learning about their biochem/cell/mol biology, associated diseases, and taking a clinical history, etc all at the same time. From what I have heard, students really like the curriculum and doing it this way helps to reinforce concepts. They do their exams in blocks so they'll have 3-6 weeks of class and then one full week dedicated to studying/taking exams with no class.

With that being said, Ohio just has a lot of great schools and deciding between Case/OSU/UC is a tough choice but you really can't go wrong. Case looses a lot of in-state students particularly to OSU (closer location) because of cheaper tuition. Out of 197 accepted in-state students 145 attended OSU. At Case, out of 106 accepted in-state students, 51 attended. I know that these aren't all the same students and before anyone jumps on me about it, I have also heard this from someone who works in admissions at Case. A lot of students just decide that the the perceived difference in prestige between Case (USNews research rank #20) and OSU (#37) or UC (#41) is just not great enough to validate the difference in price. Particularly if you're an in-state student who plans to stay in-state for residency. All three had great match lists this year and you can obviously go anywhere from each school. Try to think about which is the best fit in terms of curriculum and location and tuition/financial aid. Good luck

 

[BlondieMD]

One benefit of Cincinnati's year long anatomy course is that it follows their organ-based systems in lecture. So, for example, when you are learning about the renal system you may be dissecting the kidneys, studying their histology in lab, learning about their biochem/cell/mol biology, associated diseases, and taking a clinical history, etc all at the same time. From what I have heard, students really like the curriculum and doing it this way helps to reinforce concepts. They do their exams in blocks so they'll have 3-6 weeks of class and then one full week dedicated to studying/taking exams with no class.

With that being said, Ohio just has a lot of great schools and deciding between Case/OSU/UC is a tough choice but you really can't go wrong. Case looses a lot of in-state students particularly to OSU (closer location) because of cheaper tuition. Out of 197 accepted in-state students 145 attended OSU. At Case, out of 106 accepted in-state students, 51 attended. I know that these aren't all the same students and before anyone jumps on me about it, I have also heard this from someone who works in admissions at Case. A lot of students just decide that the the perceived difference in prestige between Case (USNews research rank #20) and OSU (#37) or UC (#41) is just not great enough to validate the difference in price. Particularly if you're an in-state student who plans to stay in-state for residency. All three had great match lists this year and you can obviously go anywhere from each school. Try to think about which is the best fit in terms of curriculum and location and tuition/financial aid. Good luck

Bee3, where did you get your information on accepted/ attending statistics for OSU/Case or any other med school for that matter? And is it for the class that entered Fall 2005? Curious...

 

[bee3]

Bee3, where did you get your information on accepted/ attending statistics for OSU/Case or any other med school for that matter? And is it for the class that entered Fall 2005? Curious...

It's from USNews best grad schools 2006 edition. I have the on-line version and for each school under the admissions tab, they show statistics (applied, interviewed, accepted, enrolled) split by in-state and out-of-state students.

 

[BlondieMD]

It's from USNews best grad schools 2006 edition. I have the on-line version and for each school under the admissions tab, they show statistics (applied, interviewed, accepted, enrolled) split by in-state and out-of-state students.

Thank you, Bee3...although being waitlisted at OSU as an Ohio resident does not make me feel really good right now...haha 😛

 

[ladydoc2be]

Well I know a couple people who go to Case and they have complained that during some of their rotations, they don't get to do much because the Cleveland Clinic is so concerned about their reputation that they are weary of letting med students get too involved. They said that they are not getting as much clinical experience as they probably would have at another school. Just something for you guys to think about.

 

[geekOCD]

yeah, but I don't really feel sorry for the people rotating at the clinic b/c they CHOSE to rotate at that hospital. I don't care where you are in the country, if it's a private hospital with wealthy private patients, you will not get to do much as a med student. Case students have the choice of going to a county hospital (metro) or to UH - so if those students really want to be around big names and wealth, there's going to be some trade-offs...

 

[Camel]

yeah, but I don't really feel sorry for the people rotating at the clinic b/c they CHOSE to rotate at that hospital. I don't care where you are in the country, if it's a private hospital with wealthy private patients, you will not get to do much as a med student. Case students have the choice of going to a county hospital (metro) or to UH - so if those students really want to be around big names and wealth, there's going to be some trade-offs...

I suppose in one sense they gain the benefit of having a choice at Case.

I am going to withdraw from Case this week because of finance decisions. OSU and MUO are left, either of which I would be happy attending.

 

[bamf7]

Case = #12

Maybe a few less people will go there now.

 

[QuikClot]

I'm trying to decide btw. Case (accepted) and OHSU (pending decision). I hoping Case comes through with a bushel of money and makes it easier. My only other acceptance is Colorado (ruiniously expensive, and I don't like Denver). OHSU is the hometown team for me . . . but somehow, Case's public-service-clinical-excellence lecture really sucked me in. That, and the P/F thing. I'm really torn.

 

[Art Vandelay]

I went to Case Med and could not have liked it more. Also, rotations at CCF are usually fantastic because they are not as used to having med students and really care about how it goes. That being said, UH and Metro are also great places to train. Case seems to be moving forward in many areas. I also think that OSU and Cinci are moving forward as well. Match lists were pretty important to me, and feeling I could get anywhere I wanted w/o being a superstar. W/o question, the main drawback is $$$ which I somehow managed to look past when deciding. My favorite thing about Case was the atmosphere. Pass/fail was sooo awesome! I learned as much as I could and didn't have to sweat every detail and every poorly written test question wondering if it would affect my career. I also found the students to be very laid back and fun to be around. You can PM me if you have any specific questions.

 

[IAMS]

I have to decide between Ohio State vs. Case vs. UVM. Of course, I realize that no one else can decide which makes the best fit. But I am looking for any insight? 👍

 

[FutureDrKt]

I suppose in one sense they gain the benefit of having a choice at Case.

I am going to withdraw from Case this week because of finance decisions. OSU and MUO are left, either of which I would be happy attending.

I'm trying to choose between OSU and MUO as well! I wish MUO had a second-look day. That was my first interview, and I was so nervous I didn't listen very much- wish I had! The facilities at OSU were so impressive, but the campus at MUO was so beautiful- so hard to choose. I say so alot...

 

[Hallm_7]

There is a second look day (actually a couple I think) in April for MUO. The Dean of Admissions (Dr. Kleshinski) mentioned it to the first years the other day during a meeting. Contact the admissions office for more info b/c I've forgotten the dates and don't know specifics.

 

[FutureDrKt]

There is a second look day (actually a couple I think) in April for MUO. The Dean of Admissions (Dr. Kleshinski) mentioned it to the first years the other day during a meeting. Contact the admissions office for more info b/c I've forgotten the dates and don't know specifics.

That is so strange, I just emailed Admissions last week and they said there wasn't one. Maybe I convinced them there should be 🙂

 

[Camel]

Yeah, I didn't know that there were any second-look days... That's good to hear, though. I was going to come up during our Easter break... perhaps I should wait to plan. FutureDrKt, lemme know if you end up contacting them tomorrow. I have class and meetings all day so I would have to wait until Friday.

 

[Hallm_7]

He told us on Tuesday of last week (3/21) during a meeting concerning the upcoming LCME visit to campus. So maybe something has changed b/w now and then......I don't know for sure. It seems like they would have told you about it when you e-mailed them. Maybe I misunderstood what he was saying.........I don't think so though.

 

[Shredder]

The Dean of Admissions (Dr. Kleshinski)

i thought it was batisky. do they have all eastern europeans there?

 

[MD Wiggy]

i thought it was batisky. do they have all eastern europeans there?

Batisky is Asst Dean of Addmissions at OSU Kleshinsky is at MUO... Both spoke at my school this past fall. Batisky is a great guy by the way

 

[Shredder]

batisky seemed like a nice guy, i liked him. its good when one person alone can increase the appeal of a school, powerful presence. plus he let me in so that doesnt hurt