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I'm perceiving some subtle guff from nursing about having admitted a 50 yo with Schizoaffective Disorder who presented to the ER with catatonia. They had normal labs, Head CT, CXR, and vitals. They've responded well to benzo's, but are requiring more nursing care than our typical unit patient.

Would you admit this person to psych or insist they go to medicine?
 
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Is the patient eating?
 
Sounds like someone we would admit. Maybe have on 1:1, though.

No question; I'd admit.
And I'm known as the harda_ _ who kicks out everyone.
As for nursing: order the 1:1 staffing because the pt is especially vulnerable.
Now you've provided for the patient's needs, increased staffing on the unit, and given one nurse a pretty easy job for the shift.

When nursing admin calls and says they don't have the staffing to perform 1:1, I tell them that I can't refuse to order the care I believe is necessary because of staffing shortages. That would be unethical and I know the admin would never suggest that I purposely fail to order the appropriate care just because it is more convenient for the staffing office.
 
Catatonic patients can be dangerous for reasons most people overlook. They could become frozen in movement to a degree where because of their lack of action, no one notices them, and as a result they might not be performing appropriate ADLs. The lack of movement could also result in muscle breakdown leading to possible renal failure.

Anyone suspected of catatonia needs to be carefully observed. Because this phenomenon is not common, most staff don't realize that a catatonic patient not creating any attention could actually be dangerous because their mindsets are wired by experienced to look out for the patients that draw attention. That's a reason for 1 to 1s.

Whenever I have a catatonic patient, I go through a little 5 minute lesson where I get all the staff members and remind them what it is, and why we need to worry about the possibly catatonic patient even if they're not drawing attention. I do that because I noticed on other units, the psychiatrist often doesn't do it, and when I reviewing those cases for court, I'm sometimes amazed the patient didn't go into renal failure---dumb luck.

When you got a phenomenon you see often, you remember it. When it happens only once every few months to even years, that's different.
 
When nursing admin calls and says they don't have the staffing to perform 1:1, I tell them that I can't refuse to order the care I believe is necessary because of staffing shortages. That would be unethical and I know the admin would never suggest that I purposely fail to order the appropriate care just because it is more convenient for the staffing office.

Wish I had the cajones. . .
 
No question; I'd admit.
And I'm known as the harda_ _ who kicks out everyone.
As for nursing: order the 1:1 staffing because the pt is especially vulnerable.
Now you've provided for the patient's needs, increased staffing on the unit, and given one nurse a pretty easy job for the shift.

When nursing admin calls and says they don't have the staffing to perform 1:1, I tell them that I can't refuse to order the care I believe is necessary because of staffing shortages. That would be unethical and I know the admin would never suggest that I purposely fail to order the appropriate care just because it is more convenient for the staffing office.

I get this alot. PGY1 here. Admin presses nursing manager, who presses charge nurse. And somewhere, need for "approval" is thrown into the conversation. Don't even get me started on what it takes to get an MRI 'round here...

EDIT: I love that one on the ball charge nurse who loves her job. Wish I could x3.
 
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I get this alot. PGY1 here. Admin presses nursing manager, who presses charge nurse. And somewhere, need for "approval" is thrown into the conversation. Don't even get me started on what it takes to get an MRI 'round here...

EDIT: I love that one on the ball charge nurse who loves her job. Wish I could x3.

Just need to know the right button to push. Work the phrases "patient safety", "falls risk", and "joint commission" into your conversations.
 
Just as an update - after two days on the unit this person is doing great and turned out to be a perfect admit.
 
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