All of this proves nothing about motive.
It proves that the ones who control the message, the ones who raise the issue you fall in lock-step behind, their goal is misogynistic oppression of women. Even if you don't get that, by carrying out their will, you also carry out their mission.
I know, crazy people blow up building. It happens. But why does this automatically mean that refusing to sell Plan B is automatically an act of misogyny rather than an act in the name of the aforementioned "hypothetical fetus"?
When you use the nuts' vocabulary and arguments, then you took hook, line and sinker. That means you rapidly become indistinguishable from them.
I personally know a lot of very religious people.
So do I. I am one of them. I am not condemning Christians, I am condemning right-wing fundamentalist theocrats. Big difference.
Some of them are afraid that they will be sinning if they take part in what they perceive as an abortion. Men and women.
And where was it they got that idea??.... Oh, yes. from the ones who control the message.
That's just how it is. I know these people, they aren't misogynists, they are just deeply religious.
I am deeply religious as are many other pro-choice people. So claiming this as defining the situation is bogus.
Sure, there are many that hate women as there are many women that hate men, but this entire argument remains ridiculous to me.
So you never checked the message. very sloppy of you. Check out Phyllis Schlafly.
Maybe its because I know people representing both sides of the issue and I know they aren't specifically being vicious about it, they just don't want their rights trampled...which I can understand.
Sure. But remember your rights stop at the next person's body.
If you go through life thinking that everyone that doesn't agree with you about certain things are evil, morally vacuous people, the only thing you've accomplished is becoming just as venomous.
Sure. Any other irrelevant stuff you got there? Oh, I am sorry, was that more than an attempt at a general truism? Was this some kind of deceptive Ad Hominem directed at me?
The only thing I get from reading your writing is that you really don't care about having a real discussion involving the arrival any sort of compromise or symbiotic agreement where all parties can have a satisfactory outcome.
That compromise has already been established. This was done decades ago. One side wanted no restriction on abortion, the other side wanted full restriction on abortions. The compromise was reducing the need for abortions through reducing unwanted pregnancies.
Unfortunately, since then, the theocratic side reneged on the compromise, objecting to every active prevention tool for unwanted pregnancies as well as any tool that could make the woman more certain that she could handle carrying to term. The compromise was already made and YOUR side then reneged on the compromise. Go check the history of your side, you seem woefully ignorant of the dishonest organizations you support and listen to.
All you really care about is getting into an argument making yourself appear as some sort of intellectual god raising above all others via the argumentative battering of other people.
*YAWN*
Even though your arguments are as filled with holes as those you argue against.
Talk is cheap. What holes?
You are just too blinded by your ideology to see it. Just like a religion.
So what is this psychobabble? You talking to the mirror?
No deities...but the same unshakable loyalty to an arbitrary collection of abstract ideals.
Oh, you mean like the right of people to control their own bodies? Very abstract, isn't it? By golly, people should be forced to give blood or their extra kidney. Your Ad hominem does not hold water.
And I see you are a physician somewhere...how wonderfully stereotypical...god complex and all...
And you clearly are a fundie...how wonderfully stereotypical...hate mongering, lying misogynist ans all...
Yeah, that REALLY was useful, wasn't it!
Here is my challenge to you - and this may make you step outside of your shell if you actually tried:
Can you formulate a solution or a few ideas that could satisfy both parties?
It has been done already. Reduce unwanted pregnancies with better sex-ed and better/cheaper contraception. Reduce the fear of being able to raise NOT unwanted pregnancies through educational, financial and health-care support. Address future worries by supporting young families and establish financial, educational, respite and employment support as well as maternity/paternity leave for new families.
That was already settled. Now YOU step outside your shell and explain why the pro-life movement reneged on this!!!
Use your brain cells for good rather than just screaming at people that disagree with you.
Don't you get tired of trying to get serious and yet argue through Ad Hominems?
What can you think of that allows for access to care AND allows people with differing theological lifestyles to maintain autonomy over their lifestyles?
First of all implement the above and cut abortions 5 to 10-fold. Then work out something where Plan B does not go past anyone who may have religious qualms about it, put it on the racks next to the Aspirin. Finally, put birth control pills in the OB/GYN's office, and you never will even have to worry about it.
Then you can worry about rejecting Concerta scripts just because you don't agree with ADHD diagnoses (This has happened, and is also an issue in the various morality exclusion clauses), or refuse psychotropic medications when you are a Scientologist.
