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"While most DNP programs are 4 years or more of education beyond an undergraduate degree, (as are MD and DO programs), the DNP is required to hold a baccalaureate degree in nursing, with the commensurate years of bedside, hands-on clinical practice prior to beginning their advanced training. In comparison most MD or DO students have no clinical experience in medicine until the terminal years of their program. Practically speaking, a medical student may be two or more years into their program of study, learning anatomy and foundational science, before they start their first IV or perform their first clinical exam. Compare that to the level of practical clinical knowledge and experience of a DNP student who may have performed hundreds or even thousands of these same procedures before their first day of class. Because of this difference, the graduate MD or DO is still required by law to have several years of supervised clinical training in order to reach the same level of experience as the graduate DNP and before they may independently practice, which constitutes their internship and residency. In reality there is no paucity of education or training when comparing the DNP to the MD or DO’s preparation to practice, but rather the opposite. It is a matter of alternative timing in the training itinerary that allows the DNP to legally and safely practice independently immediately after completing their degree and licensure exams." (cathopathic.org)

Nice, so they are trying to attain the title and level of a full physician but bypass residency because they have performed more IV's (which are nursing skills anyway...) than physicians have.

I wonder if they would also make the argument that they should be able to practice in any specialty, including surgery. I can see it now. Their experience handing the surgeon tools as an RN should allow them to practice independently as a cardiothoracic surgeon immediately after passing their DNP licensing exams.
 
I would love be to see the thread on alkaline drift in a DNP forum. The difference would be obvious.
 
I could care less what they call themselves and if they make it to full practice provided the meet the same minimum standards required of a physician. Something tells me though, if they did this, it would fall flat with little interest.

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I was actually coming to post this article, hoping it was a joke and a Reddit troll I found.

Guess not....it would be comical if it wasn’t so arrogantly absurd/dangerous for patients.
 
Doesn't a lot of this persisting nonsense come from a weak lobbying body on behalf of physicians and a strong lobbying body on behalf of nurses? One thing to keep in mind though, the website traffic tracker at the bottom shows only about 5000 views. It isn't like this has become a viral thing yet. That being said, as past history has shown if it isn't taken seriously now it is likely to get out of hand.
 
I would think that the American College of Chest Physicians...ACCP...would have an opinion on their use of this this name.
 
My favorite part is how they deliberately confuse physician training and education standards that keep patients safe, with the sexism and discrimination that keeps women out of positions of power in the corporate world, by using the term "glass ceiling" in their mission statement.

I wonder how that makes female physicians feel, to be accused of keeping other women down.

Welcome to the patriarchy, my fellow female MDs and DOs! Glad to have you on the team.
 
pgg said:
My favorite part is how they deliberately confuse physician training and education standards that keep patients safe, with the sexism and discrimination that keeps women out of positions of power in the corporate world, by using the term "glass ceiling" in their mission statement.

I wonder how that makes female physicians feel, to be accused of keeping other women down.

Welcome to the patriarchy, my fellow female MDs and DOs! Glad to have you on the team.
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This kind of mess exists in the military. Its actually even worse. Physicians are downgraded by nurse clipboard commandos. I can deal with a dnp but an O-6 nurse corps officer. No way a DNP does a residency or goes for board certification of any specialty of medicine.
 
It would be laughable if it wasn't a potentially horrific public health crisis to have nurse practitioners fool the public like this. In a world of fools this wouldn't necessarily be difficult for nurse practitioners to pull off. Expand practice through legislation not through skills, training or merit
 
eikenhein said:
It would be laughable if it wasn't a potentially horrific public health crisis to have nurse practitioners fool the public like this. In a world of fools this wouldn't necessarily be difficult for nurse practitioners to pull off. Expand practice through legislation not through skills, training or merit
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You realize this is already happening, right?
 
Website was created on wix.com sounds like an offshore fly by night degree mill created last week. It is illegal for anyone to call themselves a physician if they have not completed medical school. The profession is very clearly defined by state laws. Impersonating a physician is a felony. Patients confused by nurses in white coats should be encouraged to first contact local law enforcement and secondly obtain a lawyer so hospitals get the message.
 
izzygoer said:
Website was created on wix.com sounds like an offshore fly by night degree mill created last week. It is illegal for anyone to call themselves a physician if they have not completed medical school. The profession is very clearly defined by state laws. Impersonating a physician is a felony. Patients confused by nurses in white coats should be encouraged to first contact local law enforcement and secondly obtain a lawyer so hospitals get the message.
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There are at least a couple of states that restrict the use of the term "physician" as a matter of state law. (Although Chiropractors and Podiatrists qualify as physicians in lots of jurisdictions.) Nowhere is it a violation of state law for a nurse practitioner who has a PhD or DNAP to refer to themselves as "Doctor"
 
It's lupus! said:
I could care less what they call themselves and if they make it to full practice provided the meet the same minimum standards required of a physician. Something tells me though, if they did this, it would fall flat with little interest.

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It does matter what they call themselves. They are calling themselves physicians. First it was doctor and now physician. This is another attempt to confuse the patient and grab for more power.
 
hankbb02 said:
It does matter what they call themselves. They are calling themselves physicians. First it was doctor and now physician. This is another attempt to confuse the patient and grab for more power.
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You missed my point though. If they want the title physician that's fine, IF, they can meet the same level of education and training which they currently do not. I agree with every sentence but the first under the previously stated condition.

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It's lupus! said:
You missed my point though. If they want the title physician that's fine, IF, they can meet the same level of education and training which they currently do not. I agree with every sentence but the first under the previously stated condition.

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Anyone can meet that level of education and training. It's called medical school and residency.
 
American College of Chest Physicians? Are members entitled to use FCCP?
 
HooahDOc said:
You realize this is already happening, right?
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of course this is happening already.

there are tons of people lined up who don't want to put in the effort or time to become physicians but want to command the public's respect of one. legislators are willing to pass laws giving these people expanded privileges when their lobbies throw $$$ at them, under the guise of "doctor shortage" or "improved access" or "cost savings". we can be assured that when one of these legislators actually needs medical care they won't be going to a nurse practitioner for it.

interestingly, despite wanting to be called physicians they also want to say that they are somehow special or unique or better than "traditional MD's and DO's"

https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-arnold-dnp-860547155
this is the worm who founded the ACCP. what the hell is a "cathopath" anyways? it's just some made up word

like i said -- it's almost laughable
 
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...what.
 
eikenhein said:
of course this is happening already.

there are tons of people lined up who don't want to put in the effort or time to become physicians but want to command the public's respect of one. legislators are willing to pass laws giving these people expanded privileges when their lobbies throw $$$ at them, under the guise of "doctor shortage" or "improved access" or "cost savings". we can be assured that when one of these legislators actually needs medical care they won't be going to a nurse practitioner for it.

interestingly, despite wanting to be called physicians they also want to say that they are somehow special or unique or better than "traditional MD's and DO's"

https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-arnold-dnp-860547155
this is the worm who founded the ACCP. what the hell is a "cathopath" anyways? it's just some made up word

like i said -- it's almost laughable
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Nurse practitioners who want to get paid for cathing unsuspecting patients

There is so much greed in nursing these days; it is sickening. What happened to taking care of patients? The hardworking floor nurses are all overwhelmed because no one wants to be "just a nurse" anymore. They all want to play doctor but only for 36 hours a week.
 
Psai said:
Nurse practitioners who want to get paid for cathing unsuspecting patients

There is so much greed in nursing these days; it is sickening. What happened to taking care of patients? The hardworking floor nurses are all overwhelmed because no one wants to be "just a nurse" anymore. They all want to play doctor but only for 36 hours a week.
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i don't think it is necessarily a matter of greed, but it is definitely an issue of ego. the hospitals know that a nurse practitioner will never work as many hours or have as many responsibilities as a doctor, and the market has largely established that a nurse practitioner will never make as much as a doctor. but it sure makes the nurse feel good when they say "they can do the same thing that the doctor does". and in an era of corporate run medicine lead by businessmen who have no clinical knowledge it's about keeping everyone happy
 
eikenhein said:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-arnold-dnp-860547155
this is the worm who founded the ACCP. what the hell is a "cathopath" anyways? it's just some made up word

like i said -- it's almost laughable
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It really is considering how he cites a primary care provider shortage causing a gap that needs to be filled, when he specializes in a cardiology subspecialty (EP). I wonder if he wants the right to perform ablations LMAO.
 
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Not sure I can speak for any of the above, but if they pass the same standards as we endure, I don't mind calling them physicians, and by same standard I mean Steps 1-3, residency, and board certification. Problem is, we KNOW they have no intention of passing those same standards. Much like DNP independent practice this is all about gaining the rights of a physician without the knowledge or work. Never-mind the redundancy of adding another type of physician (presuming they made the cut).
 
vector2 said:
That website uses the old "osteopaths historically used to be discriminated against just like us" argument about 50 times. AOA and DOs should come out strongly against this nonsense.
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Not a physician yet, but I can tell you the DO students are taking note.
 
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