Cheapest vs Most expensive schools mayhem

[Faefly]

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I feel these kinda of topics are infringing on people's rights to choose. Instead of giving a piece of simple helpful advice, it has become a forceful way to shame anyone who dares to go to the more expensive school.

The forum has become a war between opposing ideas.
A macho war to be exact because mostly guys are fighting about who is right and who is wrong.


You are all grown-ups ( or I hope). Do something more beneficial than making everybody's feel bad about their choices and their dream schools, sometimes your selfishness led to people leave their only choices to become a dentist because you think the debt is too high!
You are even suggesting for people to switch careers nowadays. How dare you! You switch careers if you want, don't tell others to do that because you think it's expensive!


We are not doing drugs or harming anybody, leave us alone and go help your community. You all are capable dentists or dentists to be. Help your poor community and leave us to our debts and misery!


You are not saving anyone's here.
You are shaming them!
You are guilting them
You are belittling them.


I hope the moderators will make a separate forum for the war on expensive schools or anything that discuss this matter.

But as of right now, this has made the place chaos and not a safe place, to be honest.

It's like if I say I am gonna go to an expensive school in this forum I am commiting a horrible crime.
( I edited the last part beccause it was insenstive. My appologies!)

 

[princeafrica]

Ohhhh another thread about the same thing

 

[deleted923283]

Looks at status ... "Pre-Dental" ... exactly as I presumed.

Do something more beneficial than making everybody's feel bad about their choices

Saving young people from a lifetime of crushing debt and career dissatisfaction seems like a pretty beneficial thing to be doing.

It's like if I say I am gonna go to an expensive school in this forum is equivalent to coming out of the closet to very religious parents.

No, it's like if you told your parents you wanted to drop out of college and "travel the world to find yourself", so they sat you down to talk about numbers and real-world things to break you from your damaging fantasy.

 

[Faefly]

See, you don't know where to stop, do you!
This is exactly what's going on. You are being very pushy and pushing your ideal on us!

 

[Faefly]

Ohhhh another thread about the same thing

Yup, I know it's about the same topic.

It's the whole concept. This topic is taking over the forum.

So, we might as well have a sperate sub-forum for it.

 

[Faefly]

Looks at status ... "Pre-Dental" ... exactly as I presumed.



Saving young people from a lifetime of crushing debt and career dissatisfaction seems like a pretty beneficial thing to be doing.



No, it's like if you told your parents you wanted to drop out of college and "travel the world to find yourself", so they sat you down to talk about numbers and real-world things to break you from your damaging fantasy.

No, the community needs you more than dentists in debts!

 

[SuxDrugs&Rocuronium]

You are all grown-ups ( or I hope). Do something more beneficial than making everybody's feel bad about their choices and their dream schools, sometimes your selfishness led to people leave their only choices to become a dentist because you think the debt is too high!
You are even suggesting for people to switch careers nowadays. How dare you! You switch careers if you want, don't tell others to do that because you think it's expensive!


We are not doing drugs or harming anybody, leave us alone and go help your community. You all are capable dentists or dentists to be. Help your poor community and leave us to our debts and misery!

The student loan bubble will affect all of us when it bursts. So students going to expensive schools that will leave them drowning in debt does have an effect on all of us. And students with high student debt can’t open their own practice and will go work for corps. More corps=harder for the rest of us to set up our own practice. So it does have an effect on the rest of us. I’m sure that’s one of the reasons that this is such a hot topic.

 

[Faefly]

The student loan bubble will affect all of us when it bursts. So students going to expensive schools that will leave them drowning in debt does have an effect on all of us. And students with high student debt can’t open their own practice and will go work for corps. More corps=harder for the rest of us to set up our own practice. So it does have an effect on the rest of us. I’m sure that’s one of the reasons that this is such a hot topic.

I understand what you are saying.

However, you worry too much about something you can't control. If you think you can control the economy or the politics behind it, then you are gonna worry all your life and fight an unwinnable war.

The burst of the bubble and the timing of the burst all have to do with politics.


It's not like you preventing x and y from attending an expensive school, will prevent the burst.

It won't prevent the burst; it will just prevent x and y from becoming dentists or attending their best fit.

 

[princeafrica]

The pharmacy forum has a separate thread for this topic. They ended up creating one after a bunch of pre-pharms didn't take advice from experienced pharmacists and end up running into a wall and coming back to push the same advices they ignored 4 years before

 

[deleted923283]

Edit: We've made our point. Ciao!

 

[luminous345]

The student loan bubble will affect all of us when it bursts. So students going to expensive schools that will leave them drowning in debt does have an effect on all of us. And students with high student debt can’t open their own practice and will go work for corps. More corps=harder for the rest of us to set up our own practice. So it does have an effect on the rest of us. I’m sure that’s one of the reasons that this is such a hot topic.

These seats will be filled regardless no matter what advice is given, and corps will expand and get their money one way or another.

If Joe Schmoe decides to attend the most expensive school in the US and turn down the least expensive school (hypothetically speaking, of course), I fail to see how it would affect me. In my opinion Joe Schmoe would definitely be making the wrong choice, but it's his debt, not mine.

On Selecting a school: Not everything is black and white. Indeed, price should play a massive factor on where you get your dental education. But when it ultimately comes down to two schools with choice A being slightly more expensive yet more attractive than choice B, weight your decision carefully.

 

[321931]

I would rather take this model of capitalism over free schooling. The beauty of this environment is you have a choice and you have the knowledge in front of you.

I did go to the medium expensive of my schools accepted mainly due to family location so everyone is entitled to their choices

 

[Likkriue]

Go to the cheapest folks people.

 

[SuxDrugs&Rocuronium]

It won't prevent the burst; it will just prevent x and y from becoming dentists or attending their best fit.

500k is not a good fit for anyone. But when these students come back to SDN in four years looking for advice to help with their massive debt, everyone can just say they were warned!

 

[free wifi]

I think dentists and recent graduates in SDN are just trying to give a warning / advice. This is their lesson they learned and just trying to share their experience. If you can afford 500K, of course go for it! But average people can't finance this huge student loans, so I personally would follow their advice. (I chose cheaper school with 250K tuition vs prestige because I know how serious and daunting student loan can be thanks to Big Hoss + hundreds of sdn dentists)

 

[Faefly]

Edit: We've made our point. Ciao!

Ciao

 

[Faefly]

The pharmacy forum has a separate thread for this topic. They ended up creating one after a bunch of pre-pharms didn't take advice from experienced pharmacists and end up running into a wall and coming back to push the same advices they ignored 4 years before

It is better to have a sperate forum for finance anyway.

 

[Big Time Hoosier]

leave us to our debts and misery!

Big Hoss

 

[deleted942432]

If you invest wisely and stretch out your payment plan, you can still live a comfortable life with 500k debt. It's the people that afraid of debt and rush to pay it off quickly that complaining. I know plenty of dentists that purposely choose not to pay off all their student loans, and uses the money to invest in real estate and various business instead. It take money to make money, so stretch out those payment plan and keep your cash flow available for opportunities.

 

[2TH MVR]

OP ..... You seem like a good person and I see your point . But ..... In your post .... You mention "dream school". DS is not a dream. It is a profit driven business with the goal of producing dentists and making a profit. Some schools (Midwestern, USC,NYU, etc etc) more so than the traditional state colleges. Going to DS is a business decision that you should not take lightly. The excessive tuition is quite frankly out of control. The goal of SDN is to persuade the presents that DS is not a dream. You need to treat it like any other business or investment decision. Going to the wrong expensive school can end up being a nightmare you'll regret for a long time.

 

[deleted942432]

No, it's like if you told your parents you wanted to drop out of college and "travel the world to find yourself", so they sat you down to talk about numbers and real-world things to break you from your damaging fantasy.

Yolo

Nothing wrong with taking a break and doing a little soul searching when you are young.

 

[AppalachianDentalBoy]

@Faefly I get where you're coming from but everything @O Cabra said is right. Is there a single graduated DDS/DMD who doesn't advise going to the cheapest school? Every dentist AND specialist I've met has told me to go to the cheapest school.

 

[princeafrica]

@Faefly I get where you're coming from but everything @O Cabra said is right. Is there a single graduated DDS/DMD who doesn't advise going to the cheapest school? Every dentist AND specialist I've met has told me to go to the cheapest school.

Ya my dentist initially told me to pick whatever school I like. Then I showed her the tuition of each school and she quickly changed her mind and said her tuition was half that when she was in school lol

 

[Likkriue]

Faefly doesn’t realize this topic isn’t “taking over” the forum. It’s been a hot topic for the past 10 years and usually appears during the acceptance cycles when people start to choose school.
10 years ago, you ask anyone to take on 250k in debt they call you insane. 10 years later it’s doubled and now “500k” is an okay number. This is why our school debt is so high, because people are still willing to pay for it. When the number hits 1 million, they will still be “everything is fine 🙂”, But here’s something I realized, the OGs who advocate for cheaper schools tend to come back here after 4 years and continue to contribute. The ones who don’t tend To disappear. That’s food for thought.

 

[Faefly]

But here’s something I realized, the OGs who advocate for cheaper schools tend to come back here after 4 years and continue to contribute. The ones who don’t tend To disappear. That’s food for thought.

Correlation doesn't imply causation.
The fact that advocate of cheapest schools tend to stay and the advocate of choosing your best fit disapear does not mean they are now drowning in their self-loath and are ashmed to appear.

It just means that they are busy with their life like everyone else, or maybe they got bored witht the forum, or just too much stress to keep arguing or they feel the people they used to know left the forum already so why should they stay, or simply lost their passwords. Tons of reasons to leave the forum.

If you see the turn over rate of people who uses the forum every month or every year you will be suprised..

 

[princeafrica]

Correlation doesn't imply causation.
The fact that advocate of cheapest schools tend to stay and the advocate of choosing your best fit disapear does not mean they are now drowning in their self-loath and are ashmed to appear.

It just means that they are busy with their life like everyone else, or maybe they got bored witht the forum, or just too much stress to keep arguing or they feel the people they used to know left the forum already so why should they stay, or simply lost their passwords. Tons of reasosn to leave the forum.

If you see the turn over rate of people who uses the forum every month or every year you will be suprised..

What school will you be attending?

 

[Faefly]

What school will you be attending?

But this has nothing to do with my quote above lol.

 

[AppalachianDentalBoy]

What school will you be attending?

But this has nothing to do with my quote above lol.

This isn't post hoc justification of her choice in schools. Faefly has always been of the opinion you should prioritize going to a school you think you'd be happier at rather than the more financially prudent option.

 

[princeafrica]

But this has nothing to do with my quote above lol.

Ofcourse you don't have to answer.

But I've just seen

The hypocrite: Tells people to attend the cheapest options but picks the most expensive
The Big Hoss's: Picks the cheapest in state option
The Pablos: Tells everyone to pick whichever one will help them specialize no matter the cost
The smart privates: Tells everyone to pick the cheapest option but picked the cheapest private they could get into
The experiences: Pick where you will get to experience something new
The Privates: Tries hard to justify going to expensive ones (Oh you get more clinical experience) because they are going to the expensive one

 

[deleted942432]

I remember reading a few years back that @FeralisExtremum said that he got a full ride to touro but turned it down for an ivy. Let ask him if he think it worth it.

 

[Likkriue]

Yeah, because I’ll be sooo much happier paying back 500k versus 300k. Dental school goes by so fast you won’t even know it. Next year I’m a D3, the year after D4. Yet I still remember my DAT questions and studying for it.
You know how long Dental school lasts? 4 years. You know how long 500k debt is going to get paid off? More than 4 years. I rather be slightly unhappy for 4 years than be miserable for 20.

 

[deleted942432]

Yeah, because I’ll be sooo much happier paying back 500k versus 300k. Dental school goes by so fast you won’t even know it. Next year I’m a D3, the year after D4. Yet I still remember my DAT questions and studying for it.
You know how long Dental school lasts? 4 years. You know how long 500k debt is going to get paid off? More than 4 years. I rather be slightly unhappy for 4 years than be miserable for 20.

Hey you never know what could happen in that 4 years. You could pick a school you hate and drop out, or worse, kill yourself. Mental health is a real thing

 

[Faefly]

Yeah, because I’ll be sooo much happier paying back 500k versus 300k. Dental school goes by so fast you won’t even know it. Next year I’m a D3, the year after D4. Yet I still remember my DAT questions and studying for it.
You know how long Dental school lasts? 4 years. You know how long 500k debt is going to get paid off? More than 4 years. I rather be slightly unhappy for 4 years than be miserable for 20.

Who is not miserable anyway?
The people with money are miserable
the people with no money are miserable.
But the most miserable people are the people who waste a good opportunity because they were too afraid!

 

[Faefly]

Ofcourse you don't have to answer.

But I've just seen

The hypocrite: Tells people to attend the cheapest options but picks the most expensive
The Big Hoss's: Picks the cheapest in state option
The Pablos: Tells everyone to pick whichever one will help them specialize no matter the cost
The smart privates: Tells everyone to pick the cheapest option but picked the cheapest private they could get into
The experiences: Pick where you will get to experience something new
The Privates: Tries hard to justify going to expensive ones (Oh you get more clinical experience) because they are going to the expensive one

Why are you cateogrizing people anyway, Everyone here has many layers beyond the schools they attend or want to attend.

 

[Likkriue]

I can assure you most suicides are due to financial reasons, look it up. Not because they chose one dental school over another. You guys are acting like school A is nine levels of hell compared to school B lmao.

Okay what year are you guys again?

 

[princeafrica]

Why are you cateogrizing people anyway, Everyone here has many layers beyond the schools they attend or want to attend.

so does debt

 

[deleted942432]

I can assure you most suicides are due to financial reasons, look it up. Not because they chose one dental school over another. You guys are acting like school A is nine levels of hell compared to school B lmao.

Okay what year are you guys again?

Im sure school shooters and teenage suicide are caused by financial stress hahaha.
Im a d7. Anymore questions you want answer?

 

[deleted942432]

If you dont think environmental factor play a part in one success, then you fooling yourself. Tom brady wouldnt be tom brady today if he wasnt in the right environment and system.

 

[Tootyfruity]

I can assure you most suicides are due to financial reasons, look it up. Not because they chose one dental school over another. You guys are acting like school A is nine levels of hell compared to school B lmao.

Okay what year are you guys again?

i would've thought #1 would be unrequited love

 

[Life of Pablo]

Ofcourse you don't have to answer.

But I've just seen

The hypocrite: Tells people to attend the cheapest options but picks the most expensive
The Big Hoss's: Picks the cheapest in state option
The Pablos: Tells everyone to pick whichever one will help them specialize no matter the cost
The smart privates: Tells everyone to pick the cheapest option but picked the cheapest private they could get into
The experiences: Pick where you will get to experience something new
The Privates: Tries hard to justify going to expensive ones (Oh you get more clinical experience) because they are going to the expensive one

You forgot the Dave Ramseys. Here I'll help ya

Dave Ramsey: don't borrow any money for dental school. Pay it all off with cash by working a minimum wage side job as you go to dental school. You know, because he did that for his education back in the 80s so obviously we can too.

@Faefly Do what you want. Nobody is going to judge.

 

[Likkriue]

Because you know instantly which the better “fit” school is from a one day interview with everyone on their best behavior and specific dental students they send to greet applicants while hiding all the disgruntled ones from sight. You wanna keep this going mister d7?

 

[deleted942432]

No mister D2, i give up

 

[321931]

You know what's interesting?

When I frequented this website as a undergraduate student, and as a dental student...I barely saw these kind of posts ever. It was basically where are you going, when did you get in, and what should I do to get my application accepted. The same was seen in the Pharmacy forums.

Then the 2010+ onwards graduates started graduating and these kind of "cost" posts started coming out.

Maybe this says something about the 2010+ graduates. Maybe we are just a bunch of whining millenials...or maybe thats when the costs started becoming higher and higher.

Who knows. But there wasn’t this many pessimistic posts 7-10 years ago.

 

[Likkriue]

You know what's interesting?

When I frequented this website as a undergraduate student, and as a dental student...I barely saw these kind of posts ever. It was basically where are you going, when did you get in, and what should I do to get my application accepted. The same was seen in the Pharmacy forums.

Then the 2010+ onwards graduates started graduating and these kind of "cost" posts started coming out.

Maybe this says something about the 2010+ graduates. Maybe we are just a bunch of whining millenials...or maybe thats when the costs started becoming higher and higher.

Who knows. But there wasn’t this many pessimistic posts 7-10 years ago.

Maybe people should stop doing school vs school posts and make an adult decision on their own.

 

[deleted942432]

*Mister D2 that happened to have one of the top scores on the CBSE as a D1*

Wow super impressed

 

[AppalachianDentalBoy]

What is stopping people with high debts from just leaving the US and practicing in another country?

 

[deleted942432]

Maybe people should stop doing school vs school posts and make an adult decision on their own.

That i can agree with. You're an adult now, you should be able to make a big boy decision yourself

 

[Likkriue]

What is stopping people with high debts from just leaving the US and practicing in another country?

I’m sure because the US doesn’t recognize their degrees they don’t recognize ours. Also capitalism makes wages here higher than anywhere else. I think a dentist in India makes like 70-80k a year. Hence why there’s tons trying to get into advance standing programs in the US to increase what they can make and a better economy.

 

[AppalachianDentalBoy]

Ofcourse you don't have to answer.

But I've just seen

The fool: Tells people to attend the cheapest options but picks the most expensive
In debt forever
The OG: Picks the cheapest in state option
Own your own practice before 30
The @Life of Pablo : Tells everyone to pick whichever one will help them specialize no matter the cost
The idealist ortho/OMS hopeful who is forced to work for a corp due to the crushing debt
The unsure: Tells everyone to pick the cheapest option but picked the cheapest private they could get into
Not confident enough in their ability to specialize from a public school. Is unable to specialize and is forced to work as an associate slave forever
The NYUs: Pick where you will get to experience something new
In debt forever and didn't get to place 1 implant in dental school
The MWUs: Tries hard to justify going to expensive ones (Oh you get more clinical experience) because they are going to the expensive one
Is forced to work as an associate slave forever due to crushing debt. But they save mad dough on CE since they placed 1 implant in school.
The frugalites: don't borrow any money for dental school. Pay it all off with cash by working a minimum wage side job as you go to dental school. You know, because he did that for his education back in the 80s so obviously we can too.
Works seven days a week and only eats ramen. Chronically delays gratification to the point where his wife leaves him because he is such a penny pincher.

edited to @ pablo

The HPSPs: Gets a "scholarship" so they can go to whatever school they want without worrying about cost
Has to trade 4-5 years of his life to Uncle Sam in exchange. Can be a great experience or a terrible one
The Legacy: Is close with his family and is having his entire education paid for by family.
Probably becomes a GP and works in his Dad's office in a small town.

 

[princeafrica]

The fool: Tells people to attend the cheapest options but picks the most expensive
In debt forever
The OG: Picks the cheapest in state option
Own your own practice before 30
The Penn fanboys: Tells everyone to pick whichever one will help them specialize no matter the cost
The idealist ortho/OMS hopeful who is forced to work for a corp due to the crushing debt
The unsure: Tells everyone to pick the cheapest option but picked the cheapest private they could get into
Not confident enough in their ability to specialize from a public school. Is unable to specialize and is forced to work as an associate slave forever
The NYUs: Pick where you will get to experience something new
In debt forever and didn't get to place 1 implant in dental school
The MWUs: Tries hard to justify going to expensive ones (Oh you get more clinical experience) because they are going to the expensive one
Is forced to work as an associate slave forever due to crushing debt. But they save mad dough on CE since they placed 1 implant in school.
The frugalites: don't borrow any money for dental school. Pay it all off with cash by working a minimum wage side job as you go to dental school. You know, because he did that for his education back in the 80s so obviously we can too.
Works seven days a week and only eats ramen. Chronically delays gratification to the point where his wife leaves him because he is such a penny pincher.

If I don’t match, I’ll own a practice 2 years out and hire whoever took my residency spot