chiropractor calling himself a physican????

[Dr. Dai Phan]

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Hi all,

Back to the OP question. Since some states allow the use of the term "physician" in chiropractic as well as in optometry, they legally can use that term. However when someone introduces themselves to me as a chiropratic or optometric physician rather than optometrist or chiropractor I believe that person has an identity crisis about themselves. One time, in a bar a person told me that he is a physician. When I asked what specialty, he replied "chiropractic medicine"! DP

 

[87138]

👍 I totally agree with you. That is what makes the world go round. Don't fool yourself into thinking that the most highly qualified applicants always want Medical School. My friend scored a 30 on the MCAT and then decided to be an Engineer. I will add one more thing though, I think that more and more "health professionals" are wanting more practice rights, which in my opinion = something for nothing! That my friends is what I call scary.

The person wasn't saying everyone in the world wants to be an MD. You're countering an argument that was never made.

He/she was simply suggesting that the other health-oriented people (and some non-health-oriented people) in the hospital love to wear white coats as well, because it's seen as a "status symbol" due to its traditional association with PHYSICIANS.

Your "my friend is an engineer" example isn't really relevant.

 

[Cp22kjer]

Hi all,

Back to the OP question. Since some states allow the use of the term "physician" in chiropractic as well as in optometry, they legally can use that term. However when someone introduces themselves to me as a chiropratic or optometric physician rather than optometrist or chiropractor I believe that person has an identity crisis about themselves. One time, in a bar a person told me that he is a physician. When I asked what specialty, he replied "chiropractic medicine"! DP

I agree with you.

I had a similar occurrence where a student told me he was going to be a physician.......I later found out his was getting his AuD (Doctor of Audiology).

 

[87138]

Hi all,

Back to the OP question. Since some states allow the use of the term "physician" in chiropractic as well as in optometry, they legally can use that term. However when someone introduces themselves to me as a chiropratic or optometric physician rather than optometrist or chiropractor I believe that person has an identity crisis about themselves. One time, in a bar a person told me that he is a physician. When I asked what specialty, he replied "chiropractic medicine"! DP

Yes. I do not care what kind of PC spin anyone wants to put on it, these people (I am not saying all Chiropractors, just the ones who insist on this kind of thing) are woefully suffering from an inferiority complex. They are going out of their way to suggest they have achieved a level of training they indeed have not.

 

[SteelCity]

The person wasn't saying everyone in the world wants to be an MD. You're countering an argument that was never made.

He/she was simply suggesting that the other health-oriented people (and some non-health-oriented people) in the hospital love to wear white coats as well, because it's seen as a "status symbol" due to its traditional association with PHYSICIANS.

Your "my friend is an engineer" example isn't really relevant.

Maybe you should let the person who made the post argue about what he meant. Do you believe everyone who wears a white coat in a hospital is trying to act like a physician? If not, then im having a hard time understanding what you are saying.

 

[Peptoboy]

The person wasn't saying everyone in the world wants to be an MD. You're countering an argument that was never made.

He/she was simply suggesting that the other health-oriented people (and some non-health-oriented people) in the hospital love to wear white coats as well, because it's seen as a "status symbol" due to its traditional association with PHYSICIANS.

Your "my friend is an engineer" example isn't really relevant.

👎 I wasn't countering an argument at all, I don't know what your beef is here except that seeing that you are coming at me, indicates to me that maybe, just maybe, you are one of those that thinks that everyone wants to be you. 🙂 The reason I put a thumbs up under the quote should indicate to you that I was agreeing with what was said and then made a comment to follow, its just that simple.

 

[87138]

Maybe you should let the person who made the post argue about what he meant. Do you believe everyone who wears a white coat in a hospital is trying to act like a physician? If not, then im having a hard time understanding what you are saying.

I'm saying that the people in white coats who aren't physicians know damn well why they're wearing the coats. I'd argue the vast majority see it as some sort of status symbol among the clinical world. If you want to play literal games, I'm not saying they're "trying to act" like physicians, I'm saying they are attempting to gain any additional perceived respect the coat may confer upon them, due to the fact that Physicians are traditionally the wearers of said coat.

It's similar reasoning (though a different phenomenon for sure) that results in douchebag premeds (and med students) wearing scrubs to study at the local coffee shop.

Let's face it, despite the "doom and gloom" predictions people throw around, Physicians are still widely respected and the career itself is seen as a fairly prestigious one. It's all under the same umbrella that Dr. Dai Phan's example falls beneath as well.

 

[87138]

👎 I wasn't countering an argument at all, I don't know what your beef is here except that seeing that you are coming at me, indicates to me that maybe, just maybe, you are one of those that thinks that everyone wants to be you. 🙂 The reason I put a thumbs up under the quote should indicate to you that I was agreeing with what was said and then made a comment to follow, its just that simple.

I'm ******ed and sleep-deprived. I totally saw the "thumbs up" as a "thumbs down" (despite the very first sentence). Mea culpa.

 

[SteelCity]

I'm saying that the people in white coats who aren't physicians know damn well why they're wearing the coats. I'd argue the vast majority see it as some sort of status symbol among the clinical world. If you want to play literal games, I'm not saying they're "trying to act" like physicians, I'm saying they are attempting to gain any additional perceived respect the coat may confer upon them, due to the fact that Physicians are traditionally the wearers of said coat.

It's similar reasoning (though a different phenomenon for sure) that results in douchebag premeds (and med students) wearing scrubs to study at the local coffee shop.

Let's face it, despite the "doom and gloom" predictions people throw around, Physicians are still widely respected and the career itself is seen as a fairly prestigious one. It's all under the same umbrella that Dr. Dai Phan's example falls beneath as well.

I'd argue the vast majority of physicians didnt do it for the white coats or srubs and im not saying that you or anybody did on this board, but what i am saying is that people in the hospital know who the quarterback is and when its game time, the doctor is taking the snap. I dont think Peyton Manning cares how many of his jerseys are out there as long as none of them try to get behind the center.

 

[funshi baba]

News Flash, not everyone is trying to be like us, some people actually get into a profession because they like it.

Agreed. So as a med student why aren't you dressing up as a nurse, or social worker, or fighting to be the recognized as a pharmacist?

My point is that, you went into medicine becuase that's what u want and u stayed within the acceptable boundaries and unwritten rules of a med student (who will eventually become a physician). Why is everyone else not doing that? why do u have to give the impression you something u aint?

I don't have problems with other professions. i am med student trying to become a physician. when i do become a physician, i will never give the impression that am a pharmacist, or a podiatrist etc

So any other professional that claim or act like a physician without going thru med sch and residency or passing the required boards and licensing exam is a wanna be!

 

[schrute]

It's similar reasoning (though a different phenomenon for sure) that results in douchebag premeds (and med students) wearing scrubs to study at the local coffee shop.

Agree with that...I hate seeing primadonnas wearing their scrubs around like it's a gold medal.

At DMU there was a resident from the local hospital who ALWAYS felt the need to wear his OR cap when he gave a lecture, lest anyone forget he’s a surgeon and thus a very important person. What a tool.

 

[244869]

Agreed. So as a med student why aren't you dressing up as a nurse, or social worker, or fighting to be the recognized as a pharmacist?

My point is that, you went into medicine becuase that's what u want and u stayed within the acceptable boundaries and unwritten rules of a med student (who will eventually become a physician). Why is everyone else not doing that? why do u have to give the impression you something u aint?

I don't have problems with other professions. i am med student trying to become a physician. when i do become a physician, i will never give the impression that am a pharmacist, or a podiatrist etc

So any other professional that claim or act like a physician without going thru med sch and residency or passing the required boards and licensing exam is a wanna be!

How is a podiatrist not a physician?

 

[nlax30]

Agree with that...I hate seeing primadonnas wearing their scrubs around like it's a gold medal.

At DMU there was a resident from the local hospital who ALWAYS felt the need to wear his OR cap when he gave a lecture, lest anyone forget he’s a surgeon and thus a very important person. What a tool.

I always find it funny to see them at a conference in full scrubs, there's always one or two of them and I doubt they just rushed straight from the hospital with no time to change.

 

[87138]

How is a podiatrist not a physician?

Not to start a (new) flame war, and I certainly respect pods, but how is a podiatrist a physician?

 

[244869]

Not to start a flame war, and I certainly respect pods, but how is a podiatrist a physician?

A podiatrist can admit, treat, and discharge a patient from a hospital. Podiatrist treat hard tissue from the ankle down and soft tissue up to the mid calf, knee, and thigh (depending on the state). Basically a foot and ankle orthopedic surgeon plus soft tissue (dermatology, vascular, etc.) and biomechanics of the foot (orthotics, etc.).

See the reason why "other" doctors push for more scope is because the AMA and its large lobbying power determine the scope of these "other" doctors. Pods, optometrists, etc. are limited by law whereas MD/DO are largely limited by training.

 

[rkaz]

Not to start a (new) flame war, and I certainly respect pods, but how is a podiatrist a physician?

(sigh) Let's not do this battle again. You can refer to this thread for the last "podiatrist = physician??" war. See pages 2-3. There are nearly 100 posts on the topic. http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=590042&page=2

 

[SteelCity]

Agreed. So as a med student why aren't you dressing up as a nurse, or social worker, or fighting to be the recognized as a pharmacist?

My point is that, you went into medicine becuase that's what u want and u stayed within the acceptable boundaries and unwritten rules of a med student (who will eventually become a physician). Why is everyone else not doing that? why do u have to give the impression you something u aint?

I don't have problems with other professions. i am med student trying to become a physician. when i do become a physician, i will never give the impression that am a pharmacist, or a podiatrist etc

So any other professional that claim or act like a physician without going thru med sch and residency or passing the required boards and licensing exam is a wanna be!

How does a nurse, social worker, or for the sake of the argument a pod or chiro dress? Just in case I might accidentally dress like one and offend them one day.

 

[Just Joshin]

The DO to MD gap is small and closing rapidly ... no one is getting into any medical school in the US with a 20/3.0 ... nobody.

Quit being such a snob. My ex-roomate got into a DO school last year with a 20 and a 3.1. I also know a kid this year who interviewed at two places and got into one with a 19 on the MCAT and a 3.1 GPA. His science GPA was a 3.5 though.

 

[schrute]

A podiatrist can admit, treat, and discharge a patient from a hospital. Podiatrist treat hard tissue from the ankle down and soft tissue up to the mid calf, knee, and thigh (depending on the state). Basically a foot and ankle orthopedic surgeon plus soft tissue (dermatology, vascular, etc.) and biomechanics of the foot (orthotics, etc.).

See the reason why "other" doctors push for more scope is because the AMA and its large lobbying power determine the scope of these "other" doctors. Pods, optometrists, etc. are limited by law whereas MD/DO are largely limited by training.

DPM does not equate orthopaedic surgeon 'limited' to the foot & ankle plus "dermatology", "vascular surgery," etc...give me a break.

Orthopaedic surgeons undergo 4 yrs of medical school, an internship in general medicine, and 4 years of orthopaedic training, in addition to whatever fellowship training they undergo.

 

[schrute]

Quit being such a snob. My ex-roomate got into a DO school last year with a 20 and a 3.1. I also know a kid this year who interviewed at two places and got into one with a 19 on the MCAT and a 3.1 GPA. His science GPA was a 3.5 though.

That's the exception, not the rule; anyone getting into med school with a 19 or 20 MCAT is the beneficiary of nepotism or has something extraordinary going for him/her.

 

[dominate]

Quit being such a snob. My ex-roomate got into a DO school last year with a 20 and a 3.1. I also know a kid this year who interviewed at two places and got into one with a 19 on the MCAT and a 3.1 GPA. His science GPA was a 3.5 though.

What school did he/she get into with those numbers?

 

[244869]

DPM does not equate orthopaedic surgeon 'limited' to the foot & ankle plus "dermatology", "vascular surgery," etc...give me a break.

Orthopaedic surgeons undergo 4 yrs of medical school, an internship in general medicine, and 4 years of orthopaedic training, in addition to whatever fellowship training they undergo.

Do you even know what a DPM does? This is useless...trying to educate ignorant people.

 

[JaggerPlate]

A podiatrist can admit, treat, and discharge a patient from a hospital. Podiatrist treat hard tissue from the ankle down and soft tissue up to the mid calf, knee, and thigh (depending on the state). Basically a foot and ankle orthopedic surgeon plus soft tissue (dermatology, vascular, etc.) and biomechanics of the foot (orthotics, etc.).

See the reason why "other" doctors push for more scope is because the AMA and its large lobbying power determine the scope of these "other" doctors. Pods, optometrists, etc. are limited by law whereas MD/DO are largely limited by training.

Dude you're a space man. I seriously can't argue with someone so illogical. Sorry. Go sell this argument to a dermatology resident who got into a top 10 med school with a 36/4.0 and landed a derm residency with a 260+ step 1. Then sell it to the vascular surgeon who spent 7 years in residency post med school. Also, one last point, try doing anything above the ankle. Won't work. My FP could fix in ingrown toenail and do a mammogram (just an example, please don't be nerdy and tell me x specialty handles this) in the same half hour at work, I can't say a pod could do the same. Listen, no one is trying to bash pods, or say they have no place in healthcare, but you saying they are the dermatologist, orthopedic surgeon, vascular surgeon of the foot and ankle just screams insecurity.

 

[JaggerPlate]

Quit being such a snob. My ex-roomate got into a DO school last year with a 20 and a 3.1. I also know a kid this year who interviewed at two places and got into one with a 19 on the MCAT and a 3.1 GPA. His science GPA was a 3.5 though.

Exception that makes the rule. n =2 isn't good enough of a trend for me, sorry. I know someone who won 10k on their first try on a slot machine in Vegas. Does this mean every person who drops a coin into a slot on their first try wins 10k??? Does this mean that the odds are still not impossible??? Nope.

 

[jvelos3]

Dude you're a space man. I seriously can't argue with someone so illogical. Sorry.

Whats so illogical about dpmhopeful's statement?

Ever read about the AMA scope module? Where they try to give "recommendations" on how other doctorate professions should operate...

 

[JaggerPlate]

Whats so illogical about dpmhopeful's statement?

Ever read about the AMA scope module? Where they try to give "recommendations" on how other doctorate professions should operate...

That a podiatrist is a dermatologist/vascular/orthopedic surgeon all rolled into one (for the foot/ankle of course). It just states how little he/she knows about what these specialties do, and how much time, effort, and skill goes into entering one of these fields.

 

[JaggerPlate]

If you want to be a physician, go to med school. Period. MDs and DOs are fully licensed physicians in the US. For everyone else, please don't get all up in a huff when people don't buy into your arguments that the specific type of graduate training you attended makes you a doctor. Trust me, I've put up with this stuff explaining DO vs MD from time to time, and I get it ... it's frusturating when people don't understand and don't want to take the time to learn what you do. However, physicians go to medical school.

 

[244869]

Dude you're a space man. I seriously can't argue with someone so illogical. Sorry. Go sell this argument to a dermatology resident who got into a top 10 med school with a 36/4.0 and landed a derm residency with a 260+ step 1. Then sell it to the vascular surgeon who spent 7 years in residency post med school. Also, one last point, try doing anything above the ankle. Won't work. My FP could fix in ingrown toenail and do a mammogram (just an example, please don't be nerdy and tell me x specialty handles this) in the same half hour at work, I can't say a pod could do the same. Listen, no one is trying to bash pods, or say they have no place in healthcare, but you saying they are the dermatologist, orthopedic surgeon, vascular surgeon of the foot and ankle just screams insecurity.

EDIT: I retract this post because there its no use trying to educate this guy. What I stated about the scope of practice of pods is 100% correct...and your argument against it was to say that vascular surgeons spend 7 years in residency...lame.

 

[MedStudentWanna]

That's the exception, not the rule; anyone getting into med school with a 19 or 20 MCAT is the beneficiary of nepotism or has something extraordinary going for him/her.

Dude go to the pre osteo board. There was someone last year who got into NYCOM with a 19 and a few others who got into other schools with a 21. Someone also posted last summer I think that VCOM accepted someone with a 20.

 

[MedStudentWanna]

What school did he/she get into with those numbers?

I don't know what person the Just Joshin is talking about or school, but I know someone on SDN got into NYCOM last year with a 19.

 

[MedStudentWanna]

Exception that makes the rule. n =2 isn't good enough of a trend for me, sorry. I know someone who won 10k on their first try on a slot machine in Vegas. Does this mean every person who drops a coin into a slot on their first try wins 10k??? Does this mean that the odds are still not impossible??? Nope.

We're not talking odds. You said that no one is getting into a U.S. med school with those numbers. No one. That's what you said. The poster was just calling you on that because some people do.

 

[JaggerPlate]

EDIT: I retract this post because there its no use trying to educate this guy. What I stated about the scope of practice of pods is 100% correct...and your argument against it was to say that vascular surgeons spend 7 years in residency...lame.

WHAT??? Dude you are seriously insane. This thread is bull****. I will no longer post. I said my peace ... if you want to be a physician, go to med school. If you don't ... expect this stuff. I'm being rational, logical, and fair. These boards are unreal sometimes.

 

[gerido]

Hi all,

Back to the OP question. Since some states allow the use of the term "physician" in chiropractic as well as in optometry, they legally can use that term. However when someone introduces themselves to me as a chiropratic or optometric physician rather than optometrist or chiropractor I believe that person has an identity crisis about themselves. One time, in a bar a person told me that he is a physician. When I asked what specialty, he replied "chiropractic medicine"! DP

What about dentist? have you run across any dentist that introduce him/herself as a physician?

 

[windjammer]

A podiatrist can admit, treat, and discharge a patient from a hospital. Podiatrist treat hard tissue from the ankle down and soft tissue up to the mid calf, knee, and thigh (depending on the state). Basically a foot and ankle orthopedic surgeon plus soft tissue (dermatology, vascular, etc.) and biomechanics of the foot (orthotics, etc.).

See the reason why "other" doctors push for more scope is because the AMA and its large lobbying power determine the scope of these "other" doctors. Pods, optometrists, etc. are limited by law whereas MD/DO are largely limited by training.

Im sure it varies by state however in my state and hospital I work a podiatrist is NOT allowed to write up a formal H&P. If the patient is going to have surgery, either the patients primary care physician or the anesthesiologist MUST do the H&P. DPM does NOT = orthopedic/vascular surgeon.......etc!

 

[SomeDoc]

A podiatrist can admit, treat, and discharge a patient from a hospital. Podiatrist treat hard tissue from the ankle down and soft tissue up to the mid calf, knee, and thigh (depending on the state). Basically a foot and ankle orthopedic surgeon plus soft tissue (dermatology, vascular, etc.) and biomechanics of the foot (orthotics, etc.).

See the reason why "other" doctors push for more scope is because the AMA and its large lobbying power determine the scope of these "other" doctors. Pods, optometrists, etc. are limited by law whereas MD/DO are largely limited by training.

For someone wanting to specialize in foot and ankle Sx, choice A seems like a no-brainer to me:

A) A DPM gets to practice on the foot and ankle right out of school during residency.

B) An MD/DO wanting to do the same has to do an ortho residency, and then a fellowship in order to do the same.

In a similar vein, I'd love to do surgery solely limited to the hand, but the thought of doing either a 5 year Gen Sx residency, or a 3 year ortho residency, coupled with an additional two year fellowship unfortunately makes the choice very unappealing.

 

[engineeredout]

Back to chiro...

I saw an ad the other day for a chiropractor claiming he can treat erectile dysfunction.

 

[facetguy]

In a similar vein, I'd love to do surgery solely limited to the hand, but the thought of doing either a 5 year Gen Sx residency, or a 3 year ortho residency, coupled with an additional two year fellowship unfortunately makes the choice very unappealing.

Dude, I've got the perfect solution: Handiatry. Handiatric physicians and surgeons treat the hand and wrist, and in some cases can treat up to the mid-forearm. Currently, handiatrists can only practice in Neverneverland, but you can help support the movement at www.americanhandiatricassoc.org.

 

[facetguy]

Back to chiro...

I saw an ad the other day for a chiropractor claiming he can treat erectile dysfunction.

N=1. A real black eye for the profession.

 

[Huntr]

Once again the only two fully licensed physicians in the U.S. are MD's and DO's......period.....there is no use arguing otherwise. On a side note, I have no problem with podiatrists until they begin saying their education is the same as MD/DO's. I attend a school where both programs are present (DO and DPM) and the ONLY classes we share are the first year classes.....second year and beyond is completely different. Also, I have a hard time when pod's start saying they are medical students that are going to specialize in the foot and ankle....if that were true you would have to go through all of the same rotations and classes that regular medical students do....

 

[87138]

Back to chiro...

I saw an ad the other day for a chiropractor claiming he can treat erectile dysfunction.

Chiros manipulate bones. Makes sense to me.

 

[facetguy]

Once again the only two fully licensed physicians in the U.S. are MD's and DO's......period.....there is no use arguing otherwise. On a side note, I have no problem with podiatrists until they begin saying their education is the same as MD/DO's. I attend a school where both programs are present (DO and DPM) and the ONLY classes we share are the first year classes.....second year and beyond is completely different. Also, I have a hard time when pod's start saying they are medical students that are going to specialize in the foot and ankle....if that were true you would have to go through all of the same rotations and classes that regular medical students do....

I just can't believe you care this much. Who has the complex?

 

[SomeDoc]

Dude, I've got the perfect solution: Handiatry. Handiatric physicians and surgeons treat the hand and wrist, and in some cases can treat up to the mid-forearm. Currently, handiatrists can only practice in Neverneverland, but you can help support the movement at www.americanhandiatricassoc.org.

🙂

Believe me, I would be one of the first in line if there were such a residency program. After all, the concept would not be very different from, say, ophthalmology (a residency program specifically directed towards surgically treating a specific part of the body, without having to go through generalist surgical training)

 

[Huntr]

I just can't believe you care this much. Who has the complex?

No one has a complex.....it's just irritating to hear it all the time, and if you don't care....why do you keep commenting on here?

 

[schrute]

Do you even know what a DPM does? This is useless...trying to educate ignorant people.

Well, preme, do you?
I graduated from DMU (which has a DPM program) and shared countless lectures & labs with them first and second year. 3rd and 4th year, I encountered them on a daily basis around campus and in the hospitals.

I have a pretty good idea what their education & training is like by proxy...what, in your pre-podiatry education, do you draw upon for experience?

 

[schrute]

Dude go to the pre osteo board. There was someone last year who got into NYCOM with a 19 and a few others who got into other schools with a 21. Someone also posted last summer I think that VCOM accepted someone with a 20.

That's still the exception, "dude." Poll any DO class (which usually avg ~150 in number) what their MCATs were and you're going to find the "norm" to be nowhere near 20.

Just cuz a handful of hacks post how they got in with a 19 or 20 doesn't mean it's the norm, nor does it negate the possibility the person had a significant "in" or had someone pull some strings for them.

 

[Peptoboy]

A podiatrist can admit, treat, and discharge a patient from a hospital. Podiatrist treat hard tissue from the ankle down and soft tissue up to the mid calf, knee, and thigh (depending on the state). Basically a foot and ankle orthopedic surgeon plus soft tissue (dermatology, vascular, etc.) and biomechanics of the foot (orthotics, etc.).

See the reason why "other" doctors push for more scope is because the AMA and its large lobbying power determine the scope of these "other" doctors. Pods, optometrists, etc. are limited by law whereas MD/DO are largely limited by training.

Not to be rude, because I think that podiatry definately has a place in medicine, but the bolded section is ludicrus. Pods and optometrists are limited by law and training. Are you kidding me? Don't tell me about how an optometrist or podiatrist that goes to school 4-6 years is more well trained than an opthomalogist or orthepedic foot and ankle specialist who goes for about 8-10 years respectively. It is not the same and there really can be no argument about that.

 

[devilpup]

EDIT: I retract this post because there its no use trying to educate this guy. What I stated about the scope of practice of pods is 100% correct...and your argument against it was to say that vascular surgeons spend 7 years in residency...lame.

stop reeditting your posts. Stick to what you say and let the discussion flow. Just because ppl are flamming your boorish posts doesn't mean you should redact your statements. Some of them are valid- most are not. Either way, it makes for an interesting thread.

 

[244869]

Not to be rude, because I think that podiatry definately has a place in medicine, but the bolded section is ludicrus. Pods and optometrists are limited by law and training. Are you kidding me? Don't tell me about how an optometrist or podiatrist that goes to school 4-6 years is more well trained than an opthomalogist or orthepedic foot and ankle specialist who goes for about 8-10 years respectively. It is not the same and there really can be no argument about that.

Laws are written by politicians influenced by lobbyists and the largest among docs are MD/DO. Look up the recent AMA scope module and the AMA resolution 232.

Oh and yes a podiatrist is better trained in the foot and ankle than a foot and ankle ortho. By the end of training a pod will have about 3x the experience in foot surgeries as f&a ortho. Now f&a ortho vs. pod 5 years out...this is will largely depend on the practice they are in as far as foot surgeries go.

 

[244869]

Well, preme, do you?
I graduated from DMU (which has a DPM program) and shared countless lectures & labs with them first and second year. 3rd and 4th year, I encountered them on a daily basis around campus and in the hospitals.

I have a pretty good idea what their education & training is like by proxy...what, in your pre-podiatry education, do you draw upon for experience?

Here's simple logic.

You "shared countless" classes with DPM therefore DPM education is < yours???? flawed ain't it.

 

[244869]

Im sure it varies by state however in my state and hospital I work a podiatrist is NOT allowed to write up a formal H&P. If the patient is going to have surgery, either the patients primary care physician or the anesthesiologist MUST do the H&P. DPM does NOT = orthopedic/vascular surgeon.......etc!

In most states the pod must have hospital privileges at the hospital that the patient is being admitted to.