Chiropratic and Osteopathic medicine difference

[DoctorSynthesis]

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Just wanted to share this video with you all!

I understand alot of people go to osteopathic schools because that is where they were accepted. However, for those of us in osteopathic medical schools (as well as chiropratic school) I think its important to note that manipulation isn't psuedoscience and can benefit patients. Take this stuff seriously as an osteopathic medical student I have seen real patients benefiting from OMM. While there are psuedoscientfic elements to it having this extra skill is a cool thing and you should be excited about it. I understand most DOs don't use these skills they learned but for those of us who use it you can do something extra and benefit patients in an additional way that other practitioners can't. I'm personally a sucker for any alternative medicine that I believe actual works (and hate the scams that don't) and manipulation is an excellent example of that. If it didn't work then most chiropractors would have been out of business a long time ago!

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[Dr. Death]

But honestly all the OMM hate I have heard is on SDN. Never at a DO school have I heard one ill word about it and many students swear by it. No DO's I've met bag on it either.

 

[Mavs88]

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[FBurnaby]

Why be a sucker for anything alternative that you need to "believe" actually works. Not hating on OMM.

 

[deleted407021]

Why be a sucker for anything alternative that you need to "believe" actually works. Not hating on OMM.

Some CAM treatment options have evidence to support their efficacy, OMM among them. You don't have to believe in OMM for it to reduce back pain, for instance.

I'm totally against things which require any form of faith to "work", because then you're selling snake oil. That's why the Reiki thread in Allo is so obnoxious, with of all the med students going like, "Well, if it makes them feel good, it's OK." Nope. Any possible benefit of these pseudo therapies are outweighed by their predatory nature.





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[DoctorSynthesis]

Why be a sucker for anything alternative that you need to "believe" actually works. Not hating on OMM.

Its actually shocking the amount of patients I have encountered that have benefited from OMM. It makes it fairly easy to believe. To me OMM is going extra mile for the patient. Doing the little bit extra to help them make their disease more tolerable. If your in this business for the patients best interest why wouldn't you want to do OMM.

However, the point of this thread is for those of you who are jaded and don't believe in OMM or chiropractic medicine. Take this patient in the video I presented! Without the chiropractor he probably would have had to undergo a major surgery. Instead he is doing much better! When something has a potential harm of zero and people could benefit from it why is there so much hate. I can't comprehend that.

I also understand OMM can't cure everything and those that believe that are quacks. But I wanted to show people (especially pre meds) what it can do!

 

[deleted407021]

I benefited from chiropractic work on my lower back, but that's obviously anecdotal. A problem with OMM et al., as well as many commonly used medical treatment modalities is that they are difficult to test, experimentally.

 

[DoctorSynthesis]

I benefited from chiropractic work on my lower back, but that's obviously anecdotal. A problem with OMM et al., as well as many commonly used medical treatment modalities is that they are difficult to test, experimentally.

Its difficult since giving a placebo is hard but you could give a shame treatment as a placebo. I've seen some research but obviously more needs to be done.

The thing is though if people are benefiting from it why does it matter if there isn't a solid amount of research behind it. Isn't people benefiting the point? Do you really need research to tell you your back doesn't hurt after going to a chiropracter? I'm not personally aware of any kind of research that will tell me if my back hurts or not. Its subjective in nature. As long as no harm is being done who cares?

 

[deleted407021]

Its difficult since giving a placebo is hard but you could give a shame treatment as a placebo. I've seen some research but obviously more needs to be done.

The thing is though if people are benefiting from it why does it matter if there isn't a solid amount of research behind it. Isn't people benefiting the point? Do you really need research to tell you your back doesn't hurt after going to a chiropracter? I'm not personally aware of any kind of research that will tell me if my back hurts or not. Its subjective in nature. As long as no harm is being done who cares?

I worry about the -- as I said -- predatory nature of CAM treatments. It's analogous to a televangelist selling his magic dirt from "the holy land". I'm also very skeptical of various modalities being used just because of their apparent benefit to a limited number of patients, as we don't know whether or not they're harmful. That's why they're supplemental and not primary.

 

[DoctorSynthesis]

I worry about the -- as I said -- predatory nature of CAM treatments. It's analogous to a televangelist selling his magic dirt from "the holy land". I'm also very skeptical of various modalities being used just because of their apparent benefit to a limited number of patients, as we don't know whether or not they're harmful. That's why they're supplemental and not primary.

Its a bit unfair comparing it to magical dirt as there is a scientific basis to some of this whereas magical dirt is just dirt.

 

[deleted407021]

Its a bit unfair comparing it to magical dirt as there is a scientific basis to some of this whereas magical dirt is just dirt.

I'm sorry, I was trying to differentiate between effective CAM and bogus CAM.

 

[DoctorSynthesis]

I'm sorry, I was trying to differentiate between effective CAM and bogus CAM.

Ofcourse who would be for bugus treatment!

 

[deleted407021]

Ofcourse who would be for bugus treatment!

NDs 😀

 

[DoctorSynthesis]

NDs 😀

Thats a whole other ballpark! There is no science behind what they do.

 

[The_Sunny_Doc]

But honestly all the OMM hate I have heard is on SDN. Never at a DO school have I heard one ill word about it and many students swear by it. No DO's I've met bag on it either.

You should talk to the DO students at my school. Let's just say there are a lot of differing opinions about what we're learning!

Of course, some techniques are more useful than others. I could see myself using soft tissue techniques and counterstrain as a family med physician. But BLT? Likely not.

 

[Goro]

Whenever I have a musculoskeletal issue, I immediate go and seek out my OMT/OMM colleagues, and they are miracle workers.

I once had a pain below my should that was so severe I thought I was coming down with neuralgia, and my dear colleague Dr KC fixed it.

Those of you who are my students right now, pay very care attention to Dr JC and my other go-to guy, Dr ED.

As for chiropractic, until someone can actually show me a subluxation, it gets s-canned along with homeopathy and other quack cures

Its actually shocking the amount of patients I have encountered that have benefited from OMM. It makes it fairly easy to believe. To me OMM is going extra mile for the patient. Doing the little bit extra to help them make their disease more tolerable. If your in this business for the patients best interest why wouldn't you want to do OMM.

However, the point of this thread is for those of you who are jaded and don't believe in OMM or chiropractic medicine. Take this patient in the video I presented! Without the chiropractor he probably would have had to undergo a major surgery. Instead he is doing much better! When something has a potential harm of zero and people could benefit from it why is there so much hate. I can't comprehend that.

I also understand OMM can't cure everything and those that believe that are quacks. But I wanted to show people (especially pre meds) what it can do!

 

[DoctorSynthesis]

Whenever I have a musculoskeletal issue, I immediate go and seek out my OMT/OMM colleagues, and they are miracle workers.

I once had a pain below my should that was so severe I thought I was coming down with neuralgia, and my dear colleague Dr KC fixed it.

Those of you who are my students right now, pay very care attention to Dr JC and my other go-to guy, Dr ED.

As for chiropractic, until someone can actually show me a subluxation, it gets s-canned along with homeopathy and other quack cures

I don't understand the chiropractic hate at DO schools. What they do is fairly similar to what DOs do in terms of manipulation. Difference being DOs also learn medicine of course.

I was talking to opp faculty and they agree. No need to create a divide between us. If they help patients that's good as a supplement to doctors. Homeopaths are a whole other story.




Do most omm faculty at your school talk ill of chiros?

 

[DoctorSynthesis]

You should talk to the DO students at my school. Let's just say there are a lot of differing opinions about what we're learning!

Of course, some techniques are more useful than others. I could see myself using soft tissue techniques and counterstrain as a family med physician. But BLT? Likely not.

Dont even know what BLT is yet!

 

[Goro]

PhD, MD and DO.

Do most omm faculty at your school talk ill of chiros?

 

[costales]

PhD, MD and DO.

So they really need to have their subluxations adjusted.

 

[TUVIX]

But honestly all the OMM hate I have heard is on SDN. Never at a DO school have I heard one ill word about it and many students swear by it. No DO's I've met bag on it either.

I think most people on here have never actually had OMM done to them when they were in pain and looking for help with said pain. I was in fact in that position and a D.O. helped me a lot. I also saw a chiropractor who was unable to help me. The approach was very different. Is all of OMM 100% effective and scientifically valid? Probably not. But I think most of the premed bashing of OMM comes from a lack of understanding of it.

 

[acapnial]

I don't understand the chiropractic hate at DO schools. What they do is fairly similar to what DOs do in terms of manipulation. Difference being DOs also learn medicine of course.

I was talking to opp faculty and they agree. No need to create a divide between us. If they help patients that's good as a supplement to doctors. Homeopaths are a whole other story.




Do most omm faculty at your school talk ill of chiros?

Would you send your patient to someone if there was a 27% chance that person would tell your patient not to get vaccinated or get their children vaccinated? Or a 60% chance they'd say maybe vaccines are ok, but not if the kid is under 1 year old?


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3743646/

 

[DoctorSynthesis]

Would you send your patient to someone if there was a 27% chance that person would tell your patient not to get vaccinated or get their children vaccinated? Or a 60% chance they'd say maybe vaccines are ok, but not if the kid is under 1 year old?


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3743646/

Yikes didn't know that was true. I would only refer to chiros who I knew and trusted. Still doesn't change that the actual manipulations can be helpful and no need to demonize the good ones just cause there are quacks.

 

[FBurnaby]

OMM should not be put in the same breath as chiropractic. Even if it relieves back pain, chrio as a whole is historically and consistently pseudoscience if not anti-science.

 

[MamaPsalmist]

Would you send your patient to someone if there was a 27% chance that person would tell your patient not to get vaccinated or get their children vaccinated? Or a 60% chance they'd say maybe vaccines are ok, but not if the kid is under 1 year old?


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3743646/

A chiro down the street from me has a huge sign out front proclaiming that the flu is not a virus, people just need an adjustment.
Saw a chiro ad on facebook declaring the flu to not exist at all, the symptoms are simply the body's natural reaction to people spending more time inside.

I don't know of a single chiro here in town that doesn't advocate vehemently against vaccines. 27% is way low, IMO.

Suffice to say, while I am happily friends with a local chiropractor husband/wife team (because our preschoolers are friends), I don't actually take her up on offers of help.

 

[acapnial]

A chiro down the street from me has a huge sign out front proclaiming that the flu is not a virus, people just need an adjustment.
Saw a chiro ad on facebook declaring the flu to not exist at all, the symptoms are simply the body's natural reaction to people spending more time inside.

I don't know of a single chiro here in town that doesn't advocate vehemently against vaccines. 27% is way low, IMO.

Suffice to say, while I am happily friends with a local chiropractor husband/wife team (because our preschoolers are friends), I don't actually take her up on offers of help.

I guess they're still denying germ theory pretty strongly

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

I don't think it's ever appropriate to compare Osteopathic Physicians to Chiropractors. Yes, back pain is an issue and people need help for that. But I'll be sending my patients to physical therapists, not Chiros.