Choosing between surgical subspecialties

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Hey all,

I am just starting ms3 and am interested in a specialty that is procedure heavy. I have done some shadowing and find a lot of the surgical subspecialties really fun. I have shadowed in ent, uro, plastics, anesthesiology and could see myself liking any of them. The problem is, all of them are competitive and basically require you to network as soon as possible.

Could anyone give me some insight into how the fields are differnt, and what could help me decide which one might fit best for me? In a perfect world I would do an elective in each, but I probably can't realistically do more than 2. Has anyone else been in this situation?

Would there be any other fields that I might like even more?

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Also interested in this. In addition to the surgical specialties mentioned above, any comments on ortho, neurosurgery, and CT surgery would be great too.
 
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Pick one now and go full force.

Draw that straw and start networkin.
 
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Hey all,

I am just starting ms3 and am interested in a specialty that is procedure heavy. I have done some shadowing and find a lot of the surgical subspecialties really fun. I have shadowed in ent, uro, plastics, anesthesiology and could see myself liking any of them. The problem is, all of them are competitive and basically require you to network as soon as possible.

Could anyone give me some insight into how the fields are differnt, and what could help me decide which one might fit best for me? In a perfect world I would do an elective in each, but I probably can't realistically do more than 2. Has anyone else been in this situation?

Would there be any other fields that I might like even more?

At the risk of oversimplifying (or being skewed by what I observe in colleagues' practices),

ENT--bread and butter includes ear tubes, tonsils, sinus issues, nosebleeds, complicated ear infections and sequelae, possibly thyroids/parathyroids (some places this is gen surg), vertigo work up, trachs, etc. Big stuff includes cancer procedures with big flaps, neck dissections, etc., which can be VERY long procedures. Can also do fellowship to do facial plastics from ENT residency, in addition to other fellowships. If you don't like snot, spit, nosebleeds or secretions, this may not be the field for you. Heavier percentage of pediatric patients in a general ENT practice than the other fields.

GU---bread and butter includes ED, BPH, prostate cancer, kidney stone procedures, ureteral stents, etc. Heavy experience with robotic surgery in training compared to most other residencies. Big stuff includes oncology stuff with nephrectomies, bladder resections, ileal conduits, etc. If you don't like rectal and genital exams, urine, or get uncomfortable addressing sexual function, this is not the field for you.

Plastics---varies from cosmetics (lipo, breast implants, facelifts, etc.) to reconstructive procedures (breast reconstruction, flaps to repair deforming conditions and surgical procedures, etc.). Hand procedures and facial plastics also fall into the realm of a plastic surgeon. If you don't like patients who have high expectations, need multiple procedures to get their desired result, or who complain about some barely noticeable flaw you can't even detect, this may not be the field for you. Also is one of the most litigious fields.

Anesthesia---classically OR management of patients, but also includes pain management and critical care management of patients. Masters of the airway. Procedures include regional/nerve blocks, various lines (arterial, central, Swans), spinals/epidurals, etc. Can further specialize in cardiac procedures, pediatric anesthesia, etc. If you don't stay calm under pressure or react quickly to sudden changes in your patient's vital signs, or don't like dealing with surgeon personalities, this is not the field for you. If you like to follow up with patients and see how they do, also not an ideal career choice.

I'd recommend picking the two fields that appear to you the most, but would recommend checking out anesthesia (bonus: you can watch procedures in different specialties to get a better idea of those procedures) and one of the other surgical subspecialties to start with. Find out if your surgery rotation automatically includes some time on a subspecialty (mine allowed us to pick two of ortho, GU, ENT or plastics as well as a month of gen surg).
 
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gu also does a ton of cystoscopies and inguinal hernia repairs
ent is pretty cool and ent surgeons are among the nicest surgeons but you have to be able to handle doing a lot of the same small procedures if you do a lot of kids. so many ear tubes, tonsils and adenoids.
anesthesia is middle of the line in terms of competitiveness but the nice thing is that you can see everything in surgery as you're there doing the anesthesia

i would say do ent or gu. you can do a plastics fellowship from ent if you want. building your own practice takes time and business acumen but since we're all going towards an employment model it may not be an issue for us. anesthesia is a dying field and the people in charge don't know what they're doing. people, especially hospital administrators, still respect surgeons and they have ownership over their patients which gives them power
 
Anesthesia is not a surgical subspecialty. It is heavy procedurally, but it is not surgery.

I can offer some more perspective on ENT. I know anesthesia does most of the airway work in the hospital on a regular basis, but I would also apply the "master of the airway" title to ENT; if that riles people up, maybe "master of the difficult and surgical airway." Reason being: whenever anesthesia can't get the airway, ENT takes over. ENT also does large number of tracheotomies and pretty much solely takes care of significant laryngotracheal injuries and reconstruction (sometimes with the help of thoracic surgery).

There are a lot of different routes you can take out of an ENT residency (1 year general surgery prelim, 4 years ENT). As a general otolaryngologist, you can hone your practice on the high volume bread and butter procedures - PE tubes, adenotonsillectomies, sinus surgery, septoplasties, skin cancer removal and reconstruction, etc. a lot of general ENT's will also do thyroids, parathyroids, parotids, etc., but if you're in the private setting and focused on bringing in revenue, you can earn a lot more doing in-office balloon sinuplasties, facial fillers, or vocal cord injections in the time it takes to do a thyroid.

If you don't want to take the general route, you can go into a subspecialty of ENT. These include:

Rhinology/Anterior skull base surgery - essentially much more aggressive sinus procedures, CSF leak repair, anterior skull base mucoceles and tumors, transsphenoidal approaches to the pituitary for the neurosurgeons, etc. Procedures range from 1 hour up to 4 hours depending on the scale of surgery you're doing and reimburse well. 1 additional year of fellowship.

Facial plastic surgery - most guys will set up or join plastic surgery centers offering facial peels, laser resurfacing, filler injections, botox, as well as face lifts, blepharoplasties, rhinoplasty, otoplasty, hair transplantation, etc. Private patient population, reimburses well, but definitely need good business sense to succeed and thrive. The facial plastic surgeons are also trained in facial trauma and can repair mandible, midface, orbital, ZMC fractures. 1 additional year of fellowship.

Laryngology/Professional voice - focused completely on disorders of the aerodigestive tract, common procedures include direct laryngoscopies, vocal cord microsurgery for polyps, masses, etc., vocal cord injections as well as bigger procedures like thyroplasty and arytenoid adduction. There's a boutique section of the specialty that deals exclusively with the professional voice, treating singers, TV personalities, and the like. Most procedures are brief < 1 hour, and a large number of their procedures can be performed in the office. 1-2 years of additional fellowship.

Head and Neck Oncology/Microvascular reconstruction - deals with the all malignancies of the head, neck, and aerodigestive tract that don't solely involve the brain or eyes and their extirpation and reconstruction. Common procedures include thyroids, parathyroids, parotids, maxillectomy, mandibulectomy, total laryngectomy, oropharyngectomy and reconstruction using a variety of local, regional, and microvascular free flaps. These are the longer, more intense operations that can go up to 12 hours or longer in length, but you probably see the best anatomy the body has to offer (in my opinion :) ). Also can use the da Vinci robot in this subspecialty for transoral robotic surgery. Don't necessarily have to be in the academic setting, but most jobs are going to be at the big academic centers. 1-2 years of additional fellowship.

Endocrine surgery - exclusively dealing with thyroid and parathyroid disease and surgery. Endocrine surgery was traditionally property of general surgery, but ENT is gradually occupying more and more of the endocrine market. 1 year of additional fellowship.

Otology/Neurotology - exlusively dealing with auditory and vestibular disorders. large part clinical, but also does a lot of surgery including tympanoplasty, mastoidectomy, labyrinthectomy, stapedectomy, cochlear implantation, translabyrinthine/middle fossa/retrosigmoid approaches to acoustic neuromas, resection of glomus tumors, etc. 2 years of additional fellowship.

Sleep medicine/surgery - up and coming in the field. Focused on treating sleep apnea with uvulopalatopharyngoplasties, hyoid suspensions, tongue base reduction, and other surgery.

Pediatric otolaryngology - Entirely pediatric based. Most pediatric ENT's are focused on pediatric airway management and reconstruction, doing laryngotracheal reconstruction, slide tracheoplasty, etc. You also have the opportunity to do pediatric craniofacial surgery such as cleft lip and palate repair if that's what you want to do; this is shared with plastic surgery. 1-2 years of additional fellowship.

Large scope of practice, and you can basically do as much or as little (Early Nights and Tennis) as you want to in your post-residency practice. Lots of surgery in small spaces. In residency you will be exposed to all of it. Like an above poster said, if you don't want to deal with aerodigestive secretions or bleeding, ENT is not for you. The worst thing about the specialty right now is that it's gotten very competitive.

Hope that's informational. If you're interested, you need to schedule a meeting with the department chair or program director early in your 3rd year. It's a small specialty, and letters of recommendation and reputation go a long way, so you want ample opportunity to make a good impression and try to get on some research projects.
 
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Hey all,

I am just starting ms3 and am interested in a specialty that is procedure heavy. I have done some shadowing and find a lot of the surgical subspecialties really fun. I have shadowed in ent, uro, plastics, anesthesiology and could see myself liking any of them. The problem is, all of them are competitive and basically require you to network as soon as possible.

Could anyone give me some insight into how the fields are differnt, and what could help me decide which one might fit best for me? In a perfect world I would do an elective in each, but I probably can't realistically do more than 2. Has anyone else been in this situation?

Would there be any other fields that I might like even more?


first off, anesthesiology isn't the least bit competitive.

the other 3 are very competitive (esp. plastics), so you need to be realistic with yourself re: your chances. If you haven't been involved during your preclinical years, you are already at a disadvantage with any of those 3.

you need to decide what you ultimately want to do, and where you want to live, when you're done with training. If you want to be in a big city on either coast, keep in mind that these markets are saturated with every type of specialist.

Smurfette's description of the fields is very accurate.

keep in mind that if you want the "lifestyle" aspect of the surgical specialties, you will be limited to simple/ "bread and butter" cases in a community setting.

your best bet is to speak with attendings in each of the fields to learn about the realities in these specialties, including the job markets, practice environments, etc, in order to make an informed decision. Unfortunately, most residents are not well-informed and don't learn about those realities.

best of luck!!
 
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