Class Action Lawsuit Against Purina

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Nah, we don't have to tell them about how we were around when TVs had dials, no remotes, no cable, and just a handful of channels (not counting those weird UHF stations. Did anyone ever watch those? ).

(Raise your hand if you ever had to have someone hold onto the antenna to get better reception, or remember trying to move the antenna just right to get a better signal. :hello:)

*raises hand*

Young doesn't mean you've never seen or used old things. I've used a tv with a dial, my grandparents had it in their kitchen.

Although, seems like we were smart with antennas because we didn't make anyone hold the antenna, a bit of aluminum foil and careful creativity could make an antenna stay in any position or pick up a decent signal. 😛
 
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Sorry to interrupt with a tangent back to the original topic....but if anyone is interested, here is the email that Purina sent out to their student reps and recently graduated reps.

Beneful Statement Regarding Class-Action Lawsuit

First and foremost, there are no quality issues with Beneful. Beneful is a high quality, nutritious food enjoyed by millions of dogs every day.

Recently, a class action lawsuit was filed against Beneful in Northern California. We believe the lawsuit is baseless, and we intend to vigorously defend ourselves and our brand. Beneful had two previous class action suits filed in recent years with similar baseless allegations, and both were dismissed by the courts. Class action suits are common in business these days. They are not indicative of a product issue.

Beneful is backed by Purina’s strict quality controls and comprehensive food safety program.

Like other pet foods, Beneful is occasionally the subject of social media-driven misinformation. On-line postings often contain false, unsupported and misleading allegations that cause undue concern and confusion for our Beneful customers.

Bottom line: Consumers can continue to feed Beneful with total confidence.

At Purina we’re passionate about pets. We encourage anyone with a comment or question about Purina to contact us directly at the toll-free number on every package. For answers to FAQs about Beneful, go to https://www.beneful.com/frequently-asked-questions

Key FAQs:
How does Purina ensure the quality of its products?
The quality and safety of our products are our top priorities, and our quality control procedures are among the strictest in the industry. Our sophisticated tracking system ensures raw ingredients are tracked from time of receipt at our plants, through their inclusion in finished products, and on to retail stores.

Suppliers of ingredients for our products must meet our stringent standards for ingredient specifications, product safety, sanitation and manufacturing practices. Our products are produced under strict processing standards to ensure high quality is maintained in our products.

Additionally, pet foods are among the most highly regulated products and are subject to federal law, including FDA and USDA regulations, and state laws, as well as many of the laws that regulate the labeling and distribution of human foods.

What is propylene glycol? Is that similar to antifreeze?
Each product is formulated with the correct balance of ingredients, each with a specific purpose. We use propylene glycol to help keep the semi-moist kibbles soft and moist.

Propylene glycol is quite different from ethylene glycol, the anti-freeze used in automobiles. Propylene glycol is approved as a food additive in human food and in feed for animals, except cats, in the U.S., Canada and the European Union.

Ethylene glycol — not propylene glycol -- is the active compound in most automobile radiator anti-freeze solutions, and is toxic to animals and humans when ingested. Propylene glycol has a different molecular structure, giving it different properties and allowing it to be used safely in animal feed, except for cats, as well as in human foods, such as cake mixes, salad dressings, soft drinks, popcorn, food coloring, fat-free ice cream and sour cream.

Propylene glycol can be used as a non-toxic anti-freeze, just as salt can be used as an "anti-freeze." The differences in the molecular make-up of propylene glycol and ethylene glycol have significantly different impacts on health and safety for humans and pets. Propylene glycol is approved for use by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

Do you test for aflatoxins?
Yes. We have a meticulous quality assurance program for every incoming load of ingredients. We have ingredient specialists at each of our North American Purina pet food manufacturing facilities, who are trained to sample and analyze incoming grain. Our grain testing program helps ensure only high-quality grains are used in our products. This testing is part of our comprehensive food safety and HACCP programs

We maintain a strict code of standards for buying, storing and processing ingredients used in Purina pet foods, including grains. Every supplier of ingredients for Purina pet food must meet stringent standards for ingredient specification, product safety, sanitation and good manufacturing practices. Our quality assurance standards are among the strictest in the pet food industry.
 
Thought I'd point out that pet stores are trying to use this to their advantage. I do cashiering and animal care at one, and the general manager told employees to recommend "natural" diets to anyone who's concerned. In other words, to tell people they should switch to more expensive foods even if their pets are fine on their current diet. I tried to explain the difference between propylene glycol and ethylene glycol and was met with "well it's a variant of an ingredient in anti-freeze." No, manager on duty, don't listen to me and my 6+ semesters of chemistry class...
 
Thought I'd point out that pet stores are trying to use this to their advantage. I do cashiering and animal care at one, and the general manager told employees to recommend "natural" diets to anyone who's concerned. In other words, to tell people they should switch to more expensive foods even if their pets are fine on their current diet. I tried to explain the difference between propylene glycol and ethylene glycol and was met with "well it's a variant of an ingredient in anti-freeze." No, manager on duty, don't listen to me and my 6+ semesters of chemistry class...
Why don't you give him a glass of methyl alcohol, and tell him to drink it, as it is "a variant of the ingredient in booze"?

Have Americans really sunk so far they we are now afraid of things that SOUND like other things.

Wait! We shouldn't have pet cats, cause.... well.... bats. and rats.....
 
Why don't you give him a glass of methyl alcohol, and tell him to drink it, as it is "a variant of the ingredient in booze"?

Have Americans really sunk so far they we are now afraid of things that SOUND like other things.

Wait! We shouldn't have pet cats, cause.... well.... bats. and rats.....

Don't drink the water, it contains H2O.....
 
Sorry to interrupt with a tangent back to the original topic....but if anyone is interested, here is the email that Purina sent out to their student reps and recently graduated reps.

Beneful Statement Regarding Class-Action Lawsuit

First and foremost, there are no quality issues with Beneful. Beneful is a high quality, nutritious food enjoyed by millions of dogs every day.

Recently, a class action lawsuit was filed against Beneful in Northern California. We believe the lawsuit is baseless, and we intend to vigorously defend ourselves and our brand. Beneful had two previous class action suits filed in recent years with similar baseless allegations, and both were dismissed by the courts. Class action suits are common in business these days. They are not indicative of a product issue.

Beneful is backed by Purina’s strict quality controls and comprehensive food safety program.

Like other pet foods, Beneful is occasionally the subject of social media-driven misinformation. On-line postings often contain false, unsupported and misleading allegations that cause undue concern and confusion for our Beneful customers.

Bottom line: Consumers can continue to feed Beneful with total confidence.

At Purina we’re passionate about pets. We encourage anyone with a comment or question about Purina to contact us directly at the toll-free number on every package. For answers to FAQs about Beneful, go to https://www.beneful.com/frequently-asked-questions

Key FAQs:
How does Purina ensure the quality of its products?
The quality and safety of our products are our top priorities, and our quality control procedures are among the strictest in the industry. Our sophisticated tracking system ensures raw ingredients are tracked from time of receipt at our plants, through their inclusion in finished products, and on to retail stores.

Suppliers of ingredients for our products must meet our stringent standards for ingredient specifications, product safety, sanitation and manufacturing practices. Our products are produced under strict processing standards to ensure high quality is maintained in our products.

Additionally, pet foods are among the most highly regulated products and are subject to federal law, including FDA and USDA regulations, and state laws, as well as many of the laws that regulate the labeling and distribution of human foods.

What is propylene glycol? Is that similar to antifreeze?
Each product is formulated with the correct balance of ingredients, each with a specific purpose. We use propylene glycol to help keep the semi-moist kibbles soft and moist.

Propylene glycol is quite different from ethylene glycol, the anti-freeze used in automobiles. Propylene glycol is approved as a food additive in human food and in feed for animals, except cats, in the U.S., Canada and the European Union.

Ethylene glycol — not propylene glycol -- is the active compound in most automobile radiator anti-freeze solutions, and is toxic to animals and humans when ingested. Propylene glycol has a different molecular structure, giving it different properties and allowing it to be used safely in animal feed, except for cats, as well as in human foods, such as cake mixes, salad dressings, soft drinks, popcorn, food coloring, fat-free ice cream and sour cream.

Propylene glycol can be used as a non-toxic anti-freeze, just as salt can be used as an "anti-freeze." The differences in the molecular make-up of propylene glycol and ethylene glycol have significantly different impacts on health and safety for humans and pets. Propylene glycol is approved for use by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

Do you test for aflatoxins?
Yes. We have a meticulous quality assurance program for every incoming load of ingredients. We have ingredient specialists at each of our North American Purina pet food manufacturing facilities, who are trained to sample and analyze incoming grain. Our grain testing program helps ensure only high-quality grains are used in our products. This testing is part of our comprehensive food safety and HACCP programs

We maintain a strict code of standards for buying, storing and processing ingredients used in Purina pet foods, including grains. Every supplier of ingredients for Purina pet food must meet stringent standards for ingredient specification, product safety, sanitation and good manufacturing practices. Our quality assurance standards are among the strictest in the pet food industry.
Interesting. Our Purina reps have been largely silent on this issue (let's be real, they've been silent all year on any problems we've had with the feeding program).
 
Yeah, believe me, it took all my resolve to just clean the ferret enclosure and not get into it with the manager. We're supposed to tell the customers that these premium foods are better, and they're fine foods, they're just expensive. Someone who regularly buys beneful may not be able to afford the fancy stuff. I mean, my dogs have eaten purina and iams their whole lives and have done well...

This whole thing reeks of the same paranoia that makes people think a mercury atom in a vaccine is evil. There's a lack of understanding about chemistry and how there can be different versions of things with minute chemical differences. As you guys pointed out, CO and CO2 are only different by one molecule yet it makes all the difference in the world.

Now, if there's a legitimate contamination issue, then fine, the company deserves to be taken to task. But so far it doesn't seem like there is.
 
Well i had a small victory with this today. Friend of my posted "don't feed purina, it kills your dogs" so I explained what the lawsuit was and that there was no proof of any wrongdoing yet, etc. And she edited it. And actually listened to logic...
 
Well i had a small victory with this today. Friend of my posted "don't feed purina, it kills your dogs" so I explained what the lawsuit was and that there was no proof of any wrongdoing yet, etc. And she edited it. And actually listened to logic...

😱

Wow. That is so great!
 
Well i had a small victory with this today. Friend of my posted "don't feed purina, it kills your dogs" so I explained what the lawsuit was and that there was no proof of any wrongdoing yet, etc. And she edited it. And actually listened to logic...

Better than my friend who did the same. She was rather irrational and can't understand how 3,000 complaints means nothing.
 
I convinced someone on FB that beneful wasn't killing dogs (!!!!) and then she turns around and says "but I'd still rather not feed those crappy byproducts" :bang:
 
I convinced someone on FB that beneful wasn't killing dogs (!!!!) and then she turns around and says "but I'd still rather not feed those crappy byproducts" :bang:
My personal favorite is "Dogs should never be fed corn." 😵 Even food reps have said that to push their grain-free lines, then stumble over their words when I ask why the rest of their products contain corn. Gah.
 
My boss just posted on the clinic's facebook page this: "TAKE YOUR DOGS OFF BENEFUL IMMEDIATELY. 4000 PETS HAVE BEEN INJURED OR KILLED BY THIS FOOD."

:bang::whoa:
 
Yeah, believe me, it took all my resolve to just clean the ferret enclosure and not get into it with the manager. We're supposed to tell the customers that these premium foods are better, and they're fine foods, they're just expensive. Someone who regularly buys beneful may not be able to afford the fancy stuff. I mean, my dogs have eaten purina and iams their whole lives and have done well...

This whole thing reeks of the same paranoia that makes people think a mercury atom in a vaccine is evil. There's a lack of understanding about chemistry and how there can be different versions of things with minute chemical differences. As you guys pointed out, CO and CO2 are only different by one molecule yet it makes all the difference in the world.

Now, if there's a legitimate contamination issue, then fine, the company deserves to be taken to task. But so far it doesn't seem like there is.
It would be so nice if chemistry was required in high school.
 
It would be so nice if chemistry was required in high school.

Meh. I don't think it would help. My 5th grade son already knows more than enough chemistry to 'get' the dihydrogen monoxide joke.

Obviously, a lot of these people had pets with genuine medical issues that the owner wrongly attributed to food, but I also can't help but wonder how many of these 3000.... or 4000.... or whatever.... people were using some other food brand, switched abruptly, upset their dog's tummy, decided the food is crap, switched back.... and called that 'proof'.

Two nights ago on ER we had a lab with a FB (thank god for labs, amiright?). The owner said over and over in the exam room "I just knew I shouldn't have been using that <insert brand, not Purina> food. I knew it was bad for him." This is after we dx'd the FB on rads. His dog was in otherwise great condition. The owner still ... somehow ... attributed the FB (turned out to be some random glob of fabric 'n plastic... no idea what it was before the dog got to it) ... to the dog's food. I just... I dunno. What can you say at that point, yanno?
 
Meh. I don't think it would help. My 5th grade son already knows more than enough chemistry to 'get' the dihydrogen monoxide joke.

Obviously, a lot of these people had pets with genuine medical issues that the owner wrongly attributed to food, but I also can't help but wonder how many of these 3000.... or 4000.... or whatever.... people were using some other food brand, switched abruptly, upset their dog's tummy, decided the food is crap, switched back.... and called that 'proof'.

Two nights ago on ER we had a lab with a FB (thank god for labs, amiright?). The owner said over and over in the exam room "I just knew I shouldn't have been using that <insert brand, not Purina> food. I knew it was bad for him." This is after we dx'd the FB on rads. His dog was in otherwise great condition. The owner still ... somehow ... attributed the FB (turned out to be some random glob of fabric 'n plastic... no idea what it was before the dog got to it) ... to the dog's food. I just... I dunno. What can you say at that point, yanno?
Your 5th grade son knows more chemistry than quite a few people I've met. 😉

If I was ever involved in education planning, I'd encourage some kind of chemistry, biology, and statistics (or a combo class or something). Between those, I think students would at least get a good introduction to things like correlation vs causation, the scientific method, and other things. Maybe I've just been around some not-so-great school systems, or maybe you're right and people who don't get it still wouldn't get it even if they heard about it in school. And at that point, yeah there's not much you can do.
 
Hmm. Chemistry was required at my high school, I think it was required at all of the high schools in my county. And the Florida education system isn't known for being anything but awful lol
 
Hmm. Chemistry was required at my high school, I think it was required at all of the high schools in my county. And the Florida education system isn't known for being anything but awful lol
Yeah, I didn't name the state in my post above but I went to school in Florida too. Our chem program was fairly decent at my high school.
 
Yeah, I didn't name the state in my post above but I went to school in Florida too. Our chem program was fairly decent at my high school.
I went to a magnet school and was in the IB program so the Chem program was good there too, not sure about other schools in the area though.
 
I went to a magnet school and was in the IB program so the Chem program was good there too, not sure about other schools in the area though.
I was at a not so great high school in Central Florida, but I can only speak for the calibre of the chem program I was in. Those IB kids knew their stuff though!
 
I was at a not so great high school in Central Florida, but I can only speak for the calibre of the chem program I was in. Those IB kids knew their stuff though!
😀 I have mixed feelings about the program. It did a really good job of teaching me how to procrastinate and cram, which probably isn't a good thing, but the ability to write an 8 page essay in 4 hours has occasionally been a useful skill...
 
😀 I have mixed feelings about the program. It did a really good job of teaching me how to procrastinate and cram, which probably isn't a good thing, but the ability to write an 8 page essay in 4 hours has occasionally been a useful skill...

I have a bias against the IB programs. 😛 I was an AP kid myself and my Chem professor was awesome. Unfortunately, I don't think requiring subjects in school will make people have more common sense in regards to the subject.
 
I have a bias against the IB programs. 😛 I was an AP kid myself and my Chem professor was awesome. Unfortunately, I don't think requiring subjects in school will make people have more common sense in regards to the subject.
We're not all elitist jerks 🙁
 
We're not all elitist jerks 🙁

I know. 🙂.

I have a cousin who thought she was awesome cause she went to an IB middle school and is in an IB high school that recently switched to AP. This is the first year she hasn't had a 4.0 in, like, ever. Her attitude definitely used to be the stereotype (certainly perpetuated by her mother). Now she is more of a normal person. Have to admit, I relished in her turn around.
 
Chemistry was required in every high school in my county, and I was in one of the lowest ranked states when it comes to education 😉
Hmm... I'm starting to feel pretty unimpressed with my high school... I'm pretty sure it was an elective for me. :laugh: Maybe that's why I'm the only one who thinks more science classes would help, because they seem to be lacking in this area and I know so many people who have so little practice with science. I like to think not all of them would be incapable of learning to use logic. Maybe I'm being overly optimistic though. 😉
 
I know. 🙂.

I have a cousin who thought she was awesome cause she went to an IB middle school and is in an IB high school that recently switched to AP. This is the first year she hasn't had a 4.0 in, like, ever. Her attitude definitely used to be the stereotype (certainly perpetuated by her mother). Now she is more of a normal person. Have to admit, I relished in her turn around.
Blech. I hate that kind of attitude. Most of the people I went to school with weren't like that and we stayed fairly integrated with the AP kids. Though I know they didn't appreciate that we screwed up class ranking for them.
 
We've had an endless supply of concerned clients calling is up on this. All I can say is I'm so grateful they are turning to us to ask the questions and not the internet. The mindset these days is that these big food companies are out to get them, so what I explain best is that the FDA hasn't even made a move to force a recall yet, and that says something. Regardless of what purina says, which most clients aren't interested in hearing if we are being honest. If they're still unwilling to listen and think the government is a big conspiracy theory too then they're too far gone for us to help anyhow.
 
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