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celtics should have won last game. celtics won this game. celtics are home. i'd say it's 50-50 at best
 
oaklandguy said:
Chances Cavs still win this series? I'd say 89.37%
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idk, i wouldn't be so sure, there isn't any gap in the celtics lineup, they just gotta let lebron do his thing and control everybody else. i'm so glad the magic got the 2nd seed, the Bobcats/Hawks combo is way weaker than the Bulls/Celtics combo.
 
I just think Lebron v. Kobe is destiny, it might as well happen this year.
 
Pedie Packs said:
I think the Hawks are capable of getting some games
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maybe one or two, but the magic owns the hawks. they can match up athletically with the hawks, but their players actually know how to play team basketball. the celtics are much more dangerous, especially in the playoffs, imo.
 
I Have nothing to add about the vandy or Ohio discussions, but I just read through the lease from the apartment I thought I was moving into... Not so anymore. Landlord must be absolutely insane. 18 page lease, 27 page "separate and specific agreement". It's simply ridiculous. My parents are both lawyers and hence deal with legal agreements and leases all the time, and none of us have ever seen anything so bizarre.

I can't even comprehend.
 
CielloStelatto said:
I Have nothing to add about the vandy or Ohio discussions, but I just read through the lease from the apartment I thought I was moving into... Not so anymore. Landlord must be absolutely insane. 18 page lease, 27 page "separate and specific agreement". It's simply ridiculous. My parents are both lawyers and hence deal with legal agreements and leases all the time, and none of us have ever seen anything so bizarre.

I can't even comprehend.
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lol, he probably asks for your soul in one of those pages :laugh:
 
I don't think Kobe is overrated, I think Paul Pierce is overrated and fat and he fakes injuries.
 
watching selling new york, i love this show haha. they just showed a $15.9 million townhouse!
 
Budweiser American Ale = nasty, at least when it's not freezing cold
 
oaklandguy said:
I don't think Kobe is overrated, I think Paul Pierce is overrated and fat and he fakes injuries.
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nobody talks about paul pierce as god's gift to mankind, so no, i don't think the truth is as overrated as kobe
 
bleargh said:
nobody talks about paul pierce as god's gift to mankind, so no, i don't think the truth is as overrated as kobe
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That's a contradiction right there. Jesus called himself "The way, the Truth, and the Light" and I would think that Jesus was God's gift to mankind. Therefore, Paul Pierce is God's gift to mankind according to your statement.

Either way, I think Paul Pierce is a lazy player and Kobe is a hard worker. I don't think anyone in the NBA currently has more rings than Kobe other than Shaq and maybe Robert Horry and neither of those players are contributing a lot to their teams right now (Horry may be retired for all I know). I go by results and Kobe has the rings, so I don't think you can overrate a player who has that many rings.
 
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oaklandguy said:
That's a contradiction right there. Jesus called himself "The way, the Truth, and the Light" and I would think that Jesus was God's gift to mankind. Therefore, Paul Pierce is God's gift to
mankind according to your statement.

Either way, I think Paul Pierce is a lazy player and Kobe is a hard worker. I don't think anyone in the NBA currently has more rings than Kobe other than Shaq and maybe Robert Horry and neither of those players are contributing a lot to their teams right now (Horry may be retired for all I know). I go by results and Kobe has the rings, so I don't think you can overrate a player who has that many rings.
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also, rating a player by how many championship rings he has is one of the dumbest ways to judge a player, unless you're going to argue that trent dilfer is a better qb than dan marino. kobe won most of those rings on the back of shaq in his prime
 
i might also add that comparing kobe to paul pierce is like trying to comapare randy moss to michael strahan, they don't play the same position.
 
paul's game mostly involves getting to the line and scaring his defenders + he's a good shooter
 
problem is, he often thinks hes a better shooter than he is
 
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also, rating a player by how many championship rings he has is one of the dumbest ways to judge a player, unless you're going to argue that trent dilfer is a better qb than dan marino. kobe won most of those rings on the back of shaq in his prime
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But Kobe proved he can do it on his own as well last year. I think Kobe put his team on his back. The reason I am comparing Kobe to Paul Pierce is because I assume you are a Boston fan and wanted to choose an overrated player that you know about so it would make sense. Paul Pierce not only had Kevin Garnett, but also was getting overshadowed by Ray Allen's play and Rayjon Rondo is no joke either.

About the rings: Football is a team sport, basketball is an all-star sport. Rex Grossman made the superbowl with the bears, but no one is touting Rex as a pro bowler. However, name me an NBA team since the Pistons that has went to the NBA finals without a bonafide super star.
 
bleargh said:
i might also add that comparing kobe to paul pierce is like trying to comapare randy moss to michael strahan, they don't play the same position.
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Paul Pierce is a small forward and Kobe is a shooting guard. There is very little difference in the game and Kobe is one of the stronger shooting guards and has a post game which may even eclipse Pierce's. The reality is there is very small difference between SG and SF. If Paul Pierce was a power forward or a center then yes there would be a huge difference. The reality is that they both shoot the ball and have the same roles, but Paul Pierce is defending taller opponents, Kobe is usually defended by the Small Forward anyways. Kobe is also extremely better than Paul Pierce at defense because he actually plays it instead of being lazy and waiting for the help.
 
ah yes. thanks for putting it into terms i can understand, since only the sports teams i know are the ones in boston. it's all relative. kobe bryant is a better player than paul pierce. fact. one is hall of fame, the other hall of very good. it doesn't mean, however, that kobe bryant isn't being overrated when some people talk about him being one of the best players ever. ultimate fart noise.

re: your team w/o bonafide superstar, have you missed out on the whole spurs thing the last decade or so
 
bryant has NOT shown he can do it 'on his own.' even jordan has never shown that.
 
bleargh said:
ah yes. thanks for putting it into terms i can understand, since only the sports teams i know are the ones in boston. it's all relative. kobe bryant is a better player than paul pierce. fact. one is hall of fame, the other hall of very good. it doesn't mean, however, that kobe bryant isn't being overrated when some people talk about him being one of the best players ever. ultimate fart noise.

re: your team w/o bonafide superstar, have you missed out on the whole spurs thing the last decade or so
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Tim Duncan isn't a bonafide superstar???

You have to average out the talk. People will always say someone is the best ever, people say Lebron is the best ever and Lebron hasn't done anything meaningful as far as titles go. It's the same way you should find a runningbacks average yards, you throw out the highest run and the shortest run and then take the average. Do the same with the talk about Kobe, get rid of both extremes.
 
oaklandguy said:
Tim Duncan isn't a bonafide superstar???

You have to average out the talk. People will always say someone is the best ever, people say Lebron is the best ever and Lebron hasn't done anything meaningful as far as titles go. It's the same way you should find a runningbacks average yards, you throw out the highest run and the shortest run and then take the average. Do the same with the talk about Kobe, get rid of both extremes.
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this is inevitably colored by perception and unintentional filtering of commentary, so it's kind of a moot discussion to start with as to what the 'talk' is.

tim duncan is no more a superstar than say billups.
 
bleargh said:
bryant has NOT shown he can do it 'on his own.' even jordan has never shown that.
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Okay if you don't want to think it's on their own that is fine. The reality is that the players around Kobe and that were around Jordan were good or mediocre players that became way better due to the fact that they are playing on a team with a superstar who can take over a game. When the Lakers need a basket the ball is in Kobe's hands. Kobe shoots the last second shot no matter what. Same with Jordan.

Paul Pierce, (who some Bostonians claim is better than Kobe) doesn't take that last shot each time, in fact Ray Allen would be to the go-to guy in that situation.

If I needed a last second shot I would personally pick Kobe to shoot it over anyone else in the league. If that means he is overrated then you tell me someone who is more trustworthy to take the last second shot with all the money on the line.
 
bleargh said:
this is inevitably colored by perception and unintentional filtering of commentary, so it's kind of a moot discussion to start with as to what the 'talk' is.

tim duncan is no more a superstar than say billups.
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Tim Duncan on the same level as Chauncy Billups? Dude seriously? Tim Duncan is a dominant force especially in his prime when they were winning all the titles. Billups was never a top 5 point guard in the league. He made a couple All-Star games due to the Piston's success, but lets be real, Chauncy was never a dominant player and has always just been a complimentary player. Tim Duncan is the type of player that you build a team around.
 
oaklandguy said:
I just think Lebron v. Kobe is destiny, it might as well happen this year.
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I think in the very near future it will be Durant v Lebron. Not sure what teams it will be with yet, though.

bleargh said:
this is inevitably colored by perception and unintentional filtering of commentary, so it's kind of a moot discussion to start with as to what the 'talk' is.

tim duncan is no more a superstar than say billups.
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The man is probably the best to play his position in the history of the game.
 
no person in his right mind claims pierce is better than kobe. even in boston. ok, probably in boston too.

the lakers post shaq divorce were a mess for a long while. let's not forget that mall garage tirade. if he's as great as some people think he is, they would not have been as irrelevant as they were. like you said, the nba is a star sport.
 
JJMrK said:
The man is probably the best to play his position in the history of the game.
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duncan the center or duncan the PF? wilt probably has to be the best center of all time, followed by shaq


edit: a point i missed earlier - what NFL team has gone to the superbowl without a bonafide superstar??
 
bleargh said:
no person in his right mind claims pierce is better than kobe. even in boston. ok, probably in boston too.

the lakers post shaq divorce were a mess for a long while. let's not forget that mall garage tirade. if he's as great as some people think he is, they would not have been as irrelevant as they were. like you said, the nba is a star sport.
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I don't think they were completely irrelevant ever. They weren't a dominant team because as we saw with Dwayne Wade, it does take more than 1 player (and having Shaq helps). If you switched out Kobe for lets say Baron Davis, there would be an extreme difference in the Lakers' wins and how far they went in the playoffs etc. I don't think the Lakers could switch Kobe for any player in the league and get better and I think swapping Kobe for any other shooting guard or small forward in the league would be an upgrade to any team, including Cleveland. He is the best player at his position in the league right now. To say the best ever may be ridiculous, but I think you throw him in the conversation because he does have some time left in his career and he may accomplish more. As of right now though, no, he is not the best ever and whoever says that is Overrating him. As a general consensus though, I don't think Kobe is overrated.
 
bleargh said:
duncan the center or duncan the PF? wilt probably has to be the best center of all time, followed by shaq
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Duncan is a PF man.

There are many people you could argue about for C, including those you mentioned but also (IMO before Shaq and maybe Wilt) Kareem and Russell.
 
JJMrK said:
Duncan is a PF man.

There are many people you could argue about for C, including those you mentioned but also (IMO before Shaq of Wilt) Kareem and Russell.
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i'll admit i don't watch the spurs much (can't say anyone should blame me though) but i could have sworn they used him a lot at C. but i'll concede that point.

edit: one thing to note, even if we do consider him exclusively at PF, the 4 position is kind of light on great players, since it's kind of a hybrid
 
bleargh said:
duncan the center or duncan the PF? wilt probably has to be the best center of all time, followed by shaq


edit: a point i missed earlier - what NFL team has gone to the superbowl without a bonafide superstar??
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It's not 1 superstar. The formula I see is usually a defense with at least 1 superstar lineman, 1 superstar defensive back, and maybe a superstar linebacker with the rest of the defense being extremely physical and fast. Throw in a QB like Manning or Brees with a handful of capable receivers and a runningback who gets the job done. Or switchout the QB for a couple more defensive superstars and a great running game (ex: The Bears).
 
dingyibvs said:
lol, he probably asks for your soul in one of those pages :laugh:
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probably. it also says we pay for any repairs less than $195. and the cost we pay is 100% of the landlord's cost, plus 15%. And we pay 33% of a water bill in a 4-family house. And pay more if someone else uses the shower or washer one or more times. We may not let any part of the premises become a whole list of things, which included odoriferous, fetid, defiled, smirched, squalid... etc. The lease, mind you, even outlines how much less per day we would be paying to live in this apartment than we would if we stayed in a hotel every night. And that we appreciate the many thousands of dollars they have put into the beautiful apartment. etc.
brooklynblunder said:
wow thats really extensive. is it like size 48 font double spaced?
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12 font, single spaced.

BlueElmo said:
I think beer is nasty if it's not cold.
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truth.
 
bleargh said:
i'll admit i don't watch the spurs much (can't say anyone should blame me though) but i could have sworn they used him a lot at C. but i'll concede that point.
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I don't either, I personally sleep before they play due to the whole time zone thing. But it's fine. I think the main argument is the definition of overrated and there are types of people who are optimistic and always overrate players while realistic people understand where a player actually fits in the scheme of things. Kobe is one of the most and may just be the most dominant player in the league currently. However, Lebron and Durant are both rising superstars and although they play a different game than Kobe, they may surpass Kobe in the near future. As of right now though, I still take Kobe over them both when the pressure is on.
 
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