All Branch Topic (ABT) Class of 2015 Military Match Thread

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Could you please send me the list too? Thanks.
 
Am I correct in assuming the military will move us to residency? As a graduating MS4, are they strict about when the move actually happens? With graduation in May, I would like to move a little early. How/when can I find out more?
 
texaswife said:
Am I correct in assuming the military will move us to residency? As a graduating MS4, are they strict about when the move actually happens? With graduation in May, I would like to move a little early. How/when can I find out more?
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I remember the process being a confusing one. All I remember is that I went to http://www.move.mil/ and was able to speak to enough people to figure it out. I am sure that someone on here has better insight.
 
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You can certainly move early from med school, unlike a PCS move from one duty station to another. The key is that you need to be at the appropriate place on your report date. You will have to schedule your moving company, or your DITY, prior to going. That's about the only restriction I can think of.
 
Did the army publish the current GMe slideshow yet?
 
I was hoping to sneak a few pre-medical questions in on you veterans because I am considering military medicine.

Do you have military residency match statistics page? There seems to be a big concern and a lot of disappointment about matching. And, I would be happy to have any additional advice other than going internal medicine or family practice to avoid this terrible residency match issue.

Also, I'm leaning towards Air Force as having the best options in general to make the most of time in service. Does AF offer the best career options in your opinions?

Finally, I assume that in times of relative peace I will have enough say to be able to pick somewhere to live in the United States. Is this reasonable? Are the odds in my favor for living in Hawaii?

Part of my desire on military comes from the fact that I can spread the money out and avoid the debt of a medical school education. But mainly, I feel like the military will allow me to follow a simple plan and not worry so much. It will be less stressful because the demand to treat x amount of patients is lessened. And, also I can avoid traveling and preparing for stressful interviews.

Can stress be limited in military and can military medicine be more fun than civilian medicine?

What's the cookie cutter strategy for a person like me?
 
@medman89 Dude, you really need to do your homework and read the sticky threads in this sub-forum. You can also use the search function to read more about the military match and pretty much any of the questions you asked on your post.

I'll answer your question about Hawaii though.

 
medman89 said:
Finally, I assume that in times of relative peace I will have enough say to be able to pick somewhere to live in the United States. Is this reasonable? Are the odds in my favor for living in Hawaii?

Part of my desire on military comes from the fact that I can spread the money out and avoid the debt of a medical school education. But mainly, I feel like the military will allow me to follow a simple plan and not worry so much. It will be less stressful because the demand to treat x amount of patients is lessened. And, also I can avoid traveling and preparing for stressful interviews.

Can stress be limited in military and can military medicine be more fun than civilian medicine?

What's the cookie cutter strategy for a person like me?
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This is a bit off topic in this thread but I'll give you some quick, but not complete answers. The odds of you being able to pick your duty station is approaching 0%, especially beginning your career. You can give the military your preferences but the military will station and deploy you as they see fit. When you join you give the military control of your life for the duration of your commitment. If you have set plans of living in Hawaii or anything quite specific you are likely to be disappointed.

Avoiding debt is great but please do not think a military career is "less stressful" or "more fun". Just read around and see how many physicians are having fun and are stress-free on here. It is a sacrifice for you, your career, your family, your spouse's career, and a hundred different other things. We need people in the medical corps who join for the right reasons. From what you have written I would would definatley worry you would regret the decision to commission.
 
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medman89 said:
I was hoping to sneak a few pre-medical questions in on you veterans because I am considering military medicine.

Do you have military residency match statistics page? There seems to be a big concern and a lot of disappointment about matching. And, I would be happy to have any additional advice other than going internal medicine or family practice to avoid this terrible residency match issue.

Also, I'm leaning towards Air Force as having the best options in general to make the most of time in service. Does AF offer the best career options in your opinions?

Finally, I assume that in times of relative peace I will have enough say to be able to pick somewhere to live in the United States. Is this reasonable? Are the odds in my favor for living in Hawaii?

Part of my desire on military comes from the fact that I can spread the money out and avoid the debt of a medical school education. But mainly, I feel like the military will allow me to follow a simple plan and not worry so much. It will be less stressful because the demand to treat x amount of patients is lessened. And, also I can avoid traveling and preparing for stressful interviews.

Can stress be limited in military and can military medicine be more fun than civilian medicine?

What's the cookie cutter strategy for a person like me?
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I love the Navy...but completely agree with the two posters before me in recommending that you need to educate yourself on military medicine. By the looks of it...you would be joining for the wrong reasons. If your reason to join isn't to selflessly take care of the men, women, and families of the armed services...then you are going to have a bad time.
 
I am a third year HSCP Navy medical student and they emailed us today saying that they had 50+ people than spots this year with our large class. Anyone know how hard it is to match into pediatrics? And if that fails, into a transitional year?
 
medman89 said:
Do you have military residency match statistics page?
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The Air Force does not release its match statistics. Every year someone on this forum will get the Army statistics, however.

medman89 said:
I'm leaning towards Air Force as having the best options in general to make the most of time in service. Does AF offer the best career options in your opinions?
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You just stated that the Air Force has the best options and then follow that by a question asking if the Air Force has the best options… How does that even make sense? Also, what options are you looking for? Are you eager to do a surgical residency only to never operate? Then the Air Force might be your best bet.

medman89 said:
Finally, I assume that in times of relative peace I will have enough say to be able to pick somewhere to live in the United States. Is this reasonable? Are the odds in my favor for living in Hawaii?
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You will get to make a ranked list of choices of where you wish to live and then the consultant for your specialty will try to place you somewhere on that list. As a new officer you are not going to get the premium locations. I don't think the Air Force even has any doctors in Hawaii. That's the Army.

medman89 said:
Part of my desire on military comes from the fact that I can spread the money out and avoid the debt of a medical school education.
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Taking on a $200,000 loan certainly sounds scary, but almost every other medical student in the country does that. You'll be fine.

medman89 said:
But mainly, I feel like the military will allow me to follow a simple plan and not worry so much. It will be less stressful because the demand to treat x amount of patients is lessened.
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I'm not sure what plan you are referring to. There is definitely demand to see as many patients as possible. My current record is 34 patients in one night.
medman89 said:
And, also I can avoid traveling and preparing for stressful interviews.
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You will definitely travel while in the military. You'll still need to interview for residency spots, interview for some of the more select jobs, travel for pre-deployment training, and the list goes on. You don't get to have a stress-free life by being in the military.

medman89 said:
Can stress be limited in military and can military medicine be more fun than civilian medicine?
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I'm not sure what you are looking for that would be so much fun in the military. If you enjoy cycling through power points on why rape is bad, why lifting with your knees is important, and why you shouldn't speed on base, there is more fun than you can shake a stick at in the Air Force.

medman89 said:
What's the cookie cutter strategy for a person like me?
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Take out loans and never look back.
 
Navymedstudent2016. Peds in most branches is easier than a surgical specialty because it is primary care and typically more spots overall. However supply and demand can screw anyone over. If a random thing occurs and your particular year there is a big desire for peds then of course peds could become the "most competive" one for that year. This is a negative possibility of all military residencies because of the small sample size. What's in vogue from one year to the next can change. Some years PMR, ophtho, whatever is stacked with applicants and then following year it barely gets applicants. I have seen this for ENT, PMR, peds, Ophtho, in my limited time in the Army.

Transitional year is the safety net for all services and for ACGME rules requires minimal effort to create spots. Everyone will match to a transitional year no matter what. Without completing intern year in the eyes of the military you are worthless because you do need a medical license to see troops and completing an intern year is one of those hurdles.
 
Thanks for answers and sorry for beating around the bush with my questions. I want to ask a few more questions though. Does anyone recommend AF or Navy specifically if interested in matching for pediatrics and staying off a boat? I figure I can study hard and pull a 230 or higher on USMLE1 and have a great resume for pediatrics. I know the military would rather have surgeons and specialists financially, but there will still be a need for pediatricians.
 
medman89 said:
Thanks for answers and sorry for beating around the bush with my questions. I want to ask a few more questions though. Does anyone recommend AF or Navy specifically if interested in matching for pediatrics and staying off a boat? I figure I can study hard and pull a 230 or higher on USMLE1 and have a great resume for pediatrics. I know the military would rather have surgeons and specialists financially, but there will still be a need for pediatricians.
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Search for the thread "the Tale of BigNavyPedsGuy" It's all about my story matching into pediatrics in the Navy, and then getting put on a boat involuntarily...twice.
 
Can anyone please PM me the army match list for 2015. Army HPSP here . Thanks
 
backrow said:
Do you really need someone to tell you to not go Navy if you don't want the chance of being on a boat?
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For the most part, for non-primary-care types it's pretty easy to stay off boats (ships too) in the Navy. You have to be willing to go green side during your GMO tour. Post-residency, it seems a lot of the ship-board attending billets get foisted off on primary care guys. I'm coming up on 13 years in the USN since graduating med school and I've spent a grand total of about two weeks aboard a ship (but quite a few more weeks deployed to landlocked deserts). My experience (again, outside primary care) isn't uncommon.
 
Obviously, gmo tours would be the downfall for primary care residents in the Navy. Does this give AF and Army the advantage if your interested in primary care? Because, I havn't heard as much about dreaded gmo tour scenarios for AF and army. What's the worst that can happen to a primary care guy interested in AF or Army?
 
medman89 said:
Obviously, gmo tours would be the downfall for primary care residents in the Navy. Does this give AF and Army the advantage if your interested in primary care? Because, I havn't heard as much about dreaded gmo tour scenarios for AF and army. What's the worst that can happen to a primary care guy interested in AF or Army?
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Look you are trying to get us to convince you that it will be a great idea for you to commission and no one here is going to do it. There is plenty of information on this forum. You have received multiple feedback from people that joining may not be right for you, even from people that have had a positive view of the military. Asking"what's the worst thing that could happen" is the worst mindset to have when joining the military.

Think about this, the military would not have to offer gobs of money, free tuition, and benefits if this was a job every physician wanted to do. They will get their pound of flesh from you. Don't look for ways to ignore the negative factors. If you join you should join in spite of all that because you want to serve military service men and women.
 
Ya, it's all starting to sound pretty lame. And, I can remember how lifeless and emotionally flat that navy physician who was on season 1 of the bachelor was. But, sadly I don't think I know a ton about civilian residency and that prevents me from understanding the full extent to the problems you guys have with the military.

So, even if you do military and you can get an extra 250,000 over the 11 year program. That money is more than earned in the excess work they demand of you?

How bad are the military training programs you have to attend during medical school?
 
medman89 said:
Ya, it's all starting to sound pretty lame. And, I can remember how lifeless and emotionally flat that navy physician who was on season 1 of the bachelor was.
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Are you kidding me? The whole reason I'm joining up is so I can appear on ABC starring in a show with 30 women vying for my attention. Of course you're gonna be lifeless and emotionally flat when you have an entire harem at your feet. When you go to a strip club do you try to tell witty jokes to impress the girls there? No. Also, LCDR Baldwin was in the 10th season of the Bachelor. The blue blooded businessman Alex Michel was in the 1st season. But I digress...

medman89 said:
But, sadly I don't think I know a ton about civilian residency and that prevents me from understanding the full extent to the problems you guys have with the military.
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You're applying to medical school. You should rectify this deficiency in knowledge asap. This is independent of military medicine. This is helpful to you if you become a medical student.

medman89 said:
So, even if you do military and you can get an extra 250,000 over the 11 year program.
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What...where did you get these numbers?

medman89 said:
That money is more than earned in the excess work they demand of you?
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Yes?...

medman89 said:
How bad are the military training programs you have to attend during medical school?
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Are you talking about ODS? A buddy of mine that came back from it and told me about it. He said, "Hahaha...eh....hmmm..."

I hope you like shining shoes for hours or having someone inform you in a loud voice how much of a inadequate human being you are because you forgot which side was your left and right. Waking up in the middle of the night so you can go running up and down stairs or around a track in 100% humidity. You get no cake and no coffee and they will give you frownie faces when you take the cereal with powdered sugar on top. You also have to spend $2000 of your own money so you can buy a laundry list of clothing items that you won't be wearing for at least another 2 years.

Do you like summer breaks? Well the last one you will ever get in your life between MS1 and MS2 will be spent doing all of the above instead of relaxing on a nice beach in Hawaii, or kayaking in that lovely river over there, or spending those summer nights with your favorite girlfriend listening to Sweet Home Alabama and drinking whiskey out of the bottle.

Like one of the veterans already advised dude, just take the loans and never look back.
 
I was never given the option to relax on a beach and I've never had a girlfriend I party with. Honestly, I get pretty bored sometimes being the loner that I am. How many hours a week do you think military doctors and residents work? And, how do military doctors feel about their superiors?

The financial situation I calculated using this website: https://halfmd.wordpress.com/2007/0...f-the-health-professions-scholarship-program/ by comparing the net profit from the commitment time of civilian vs military for internal medicine. 609,000 vs 509,000 =100,000 bonus for military. Plus, the fact that my debt would really be 300,000 with interest. So, 100,000 +92,000 =192,000 (since I substituted 300,000 for the 208,000 they used as debt in the website calculation). Plus, the website didn't add in the 20,000 signing bonus or the 2,200 per month while in medical school. 2,200 x 48 = (approx) 100,000. All totals to be: 100,000 +92,000 + 100,000 + 20,000= 312,000.
But, I subtract 62,000 to get 250,000 since 144,000 was a bit low. Based on my calculation of my situtation I arrive at a surplus of 200,000-300,000 for an internist, family medicine doctor, or pediatrician.

However, my calculations suggest that other specialties would be losing money going military.

What is the pay you received while in medical school, residency, and as an attending physician? Because, that website is from 2007 so it's possible that the pay scale has changed.
 
As a very broad statement while an attending you are pretty unlikely to work more than 80 hours per week on clinical tasks. Probably ranges from 40-60 depending on your specialty, current manpower at your MTF, your responsibilities at the MTF. You could be a young OBGYN attending working a place with a limited staff and support and be very busy, you could be a 1 of 2 GS and the hospital commander could require that one of you is available daily, you could have to deploy for 9 months and work every day, you could be an IM doc having to work in your clinic while managing the schedule for all of your staff on top of having to cover any missed inpatient shift a civillian decides they can't work and then still having to see patients in your clinic. There is a lot of variability that you don't have control of.

As a resident, again very specialty and MTF specific. Overall the worst 2 specialties would be OBGYN and GS for weekly clinical work. OBGYN in my humble opinion is worse because more often than not you will have in addition to almost any of your rotation you will have to pick up shifts or cover shifts on the labor deck. GS usually does a better job of managing a person's schedule avoiding random shifts mixed into your rotation. Other specialties could suck just as easily like FM, Peds, IM since sometimes those programs are understaffed on residents and the staff doesn't typically pick up any slack. Prior to the work hour restrictions a resident I know typically took call every 3rd night since the program instead of having over 20 residents across 3 years only had closer to barely over 10 residents.

In terms of "superiors" I don't really view them as anything special. They are a boss like any other. There is a wide spectrum. I prefer people with a medical background specifically a physican if at all possible, more commonality makes everything easier.

Pay scale changes every single year starting Jan 1. From last year to this one my pay went up a whole $44. Yipee!!! Then in June your time in service increases, for the first 2 years pay doesn't change. Then at >2, >3, >4, >6, and so forth according to the pay chart you get increases in pay. Rough estimate of typically <400 increased averaged across all years.
http://www.dfas.mil/militarymembers/payentitlements/military-pay-charts.html
 
Red Lobster Actual said:
Are you kidding me? The whole reason I'm joining up is so I can appear on ABC starring in a show with 30 women vying for my attention. Of course you're gonna be lifeless and emotionally flat when you have an entire harem at your feet. When you go to a strip club do you try to tell witty jokes to impress the girls there? No. Also, LCDR Baldwin was in the 10th season of the Bachelor. The blue blooded businessman Alex Michel was in the 1st season. But I digress...



You're applying to medical school. You should rectify this deficiency in knowledge asap. This is independent of military medicine. This is helpful to you if you become a medical student.



What...where did you get these numbers?



Yes?...



Are you talking about ODS? A buddy of mine that came back from it and told me about it. He said, "Hahaha...eh....hmmm..."

I hope you like shining shoes for hours or having someone inform you in a loud voice how much of a inadequate human being you are because you forgot which side was your left and right. Waking up in the middle of the night so you can go running up and down stairs or around a track in 100% humidity. You get no cake and no coffee and they will give you frownie faces when you take the cereal with powdered sugar on top. You also have to spend $2000 of your own money so you can buy a laundry list of clothing items that you won't be wearing for at least another 2 years.

Do you like summer breaks? Well the last one you will ever get in your life between MS1 and MS2 will be spent doing all of the above instead of relaxing on a nice beach in Hawaii, or kayaking in that lovely river over there, or spending those summer nights with your favorite girlfriend listening to Sweet Home Alabama and drinking whiskey out of the bottle.

Like one of the veterans already advised dude, just take the loans and never look back.
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My ODS experience was much more like a college frat environment than legit bootcamp. I actually had fun in ODS...but maybe I'm weird.
 
In addition to basic pay, what do you think will be the specialty bonuses for IM/peds/fam during the 4 year commitment?

I want to add the basic pay to the specialty bonuses to get a net total so I can compare financial situation of military vs civilian.
 
Base pay
BAH
BAS
VSP
Board Certified speciality pay
GMO Bonus if warranted
COLA if in a location that receives COLA

that's really all you get in terms of pay. Just got to look up the rates for yourself
 
Don't forget yearly ISP and ASP. As far as running the numbers, you need to look at the cost of medical school and the salary for the given specialty, which varies widely based on location. As a general rule, primary care makes more in the military, surgical subspecialists make less, and everyone else breaks even.
 
Does anyone have an Air Force match list? Very interested to see that. PM me if you do, thanks.
 
I was able to secure a mortgage by simply bringing my orders to the bank, with my rank on them, and telling the broker that my income is readily available online. Of course, that was before the housing market went to shceisse.
 
Hello,
2016 HPSP here. If there is an Army match list floating around for the 2015 match, would someone be kind enough to share it with me.

Thank you!
 
Could I get a copy of the Navy match list, and does it include PGY-2 match info? Thank you. HPSP- 2016
 
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