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rHinO1 said:
Eldrick paid the first one $10 million dollars of hush money! That's more than the big azz ring Kobe's wife got (apparently a big azz ring will make a lot of stuff fall by the wayside).
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yeah the ring was "only" 4 mil. kobe did the right thing by getting that cute butterfly tattoo also.
 
FlowRate said:
Yeah I've been debating whether or not I want to include my extensive involvement with Students for Liberty on AMCAS.
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I've been debating about the republicans one. I'm moderate myself, but this was a leadership spot and I've just been swaying back and forth on it.
 
Artimacia said:
I've been debating about the republicans one. I'm moderate myself, but this was a leadership spot and I've just been swaying back and forth on it.
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I just participate in the bi-monthly events (discussions) and the other stuff, looking at maybe doing leadership next year, probably not.

rama kandra said:
What does the students for liberty do/advocate?
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Our particular chapter has people who fall more toward the anarchic side of libertarianism at the helm. So our campus' chapter is known for "Abolish the ASUN" (our student governing body) and other anti-government stuff. I'm much more moderate libertarian on economy-government stuff, but very into the social justice - equal rights sort of libertarianism.
 
would objectivism be a part of the program in your personal beliefs?
 
FlowRate said:
Our particular chapter has people who fall more toward the anarchic side of libertarianism at the helm. So our campus' chapter is known for "Abolish the ASUN" (our student governing body) and other anti-government stuff. I'm much more moderate libertarian on economy-government stuff, but very into the social justice - equal rights sort of libertarianism.
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We have that group at my school. I'm more right leaning in economics, but left leaning socially. Def. an equal rights person, but I always get a bad rap because of my economic views, and people always assume I agree with republican social views.
 
Artimacia said:
We have that group at my school. I'm more right leaning in economics, but left leaning socially. Def. an equal rights person, but I always get a bad rap because of my economic views, and people always assume I agree with republican social views.
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ditto
 
What do you personally define as the core of 'right leaning' economics?
 
msb1190 said:
not socialism 🙂
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Haha, to sum it up in one word. But I believe that people should help themselves before asking for help, but don't misconstrue (sp?) what I'm saying by that. With healthcare, I think there are issues that can be tackled and fixed that wouldn't require a huge overhaul.
 
socialism is moderate economics - i would say left leaning could be more along the lines of monarchy, dictatorship, absolute rule and fiefdom/feudalism. Right leaning economics are more geared toward survivalism, respect for private property, and investment from the private sector for the private citizens. The individual is most important to the right, the people are most important to the moderates (socialists) and the king/fascist is most aligned with left economics.
 
I'm gonna lighten the mood....

Rock that body, come on come on now rock that body right...

is it working?
 
One of the biggest statistics in my mind that justify reform is that 62% of personal bankruptcy filings are due to medical debt. Out of that 75% of those people HAD health insurance 😕 wtf
 
What? Semantics? I just offered my course on economics 101 brother, since you asked for enlightenment. This isn't a dark touchy conversation, I was thinking it was interesting to hear what other pre meds thought on the topic.
 
I'm in a wait and see mode regarding the healthcare reform. Most doctors I've talked to think it will be bad, but they even admit they don't know what it all means yet. How am I supposed to know?
 
rHinO1 said:
I'm in a wait and see mode regarding the healthcare reform. Most doctors I've talked to think it will be bad, but they even admit they don't even know what it all means yet. How am I supposed to know?
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🙁 same here
 
the docs i talk to say it sucks, but by the time we're through with training they'll have figured out another way to make money and will fill me in haha
 
msb1190 said:
the docs i talk to say it sucks, but by the time we're through with training they'll have figured out another way to make money and will fill me in haha
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Haha, I've heard bad things from not only doctors, but nurses and other health care officials
 
rama kandra said:
socialism is moderate economics - i would say left leaning could be more along the lines of monarchy, dictatorship, absolute rule and fiefdom/feudalism. Right leaning economics are more geared toward survivalism, respect for private property, and investment from the private sector for the private citizens. The individual is most important to the right, the people are most important to the moderates (socialists) and the king/fascist is most aligned with left economics.
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rama kandra said:
socialism is not 'left leaning' economics.
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The flaw here is that you're using the stupid american one-dimensional political scale.

Socialism and monarchy are the same thing from a personal economics point of view. On a larger scale, they differ only slightly on who the money goes to.

Anyway, the more common 2-D scale is generally "Socially Free" "Socially Oppressed/'Conservative'" "Economically Libertarian" (free) and "Economically Authoritarian". Libertarianism is, obviously, Socially Free and Economically Free. The American Democrat party is governmentally-expansionist, Socially Free, Economically Regulated. The Republican party is supposed to be government-reduction, Socially Regulated, Economically free. However, the neo-conservative faction of the Republican party which was more popular 5 years ago was governmentally-expansionist, socially-regulative, and rather economically-regulative. In a word, Authoritarian.

Who the money goes to (the monarchy stuff you were talking about) generally comes into play with the much-less common and much-less universalized three-dimensional scale, which takes into account the precise form of the government, along with the two major areas of the government's control over individuals from the 2-D system.

Artimacia said:
We have that group at my school. I'm more right leaning in economics, but left leaning socially. Def. an equal rights person, but I always get a bad rap because of my economic views, and people always assume I agree with republican social views.
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Traditionally, this is how Libertarianism is defined, although that is not exactly true (see above).

rama kandra said:
would objectivism be a part of the program in your personal beliefs?
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That's getting into the more philosophical side that I haven't explored too much of.
 
msb1190 said:
the docs i talk to say it sucks, but by the time we're through with training they'll have figured out another way to make money and will fill me in haha
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borat-very-nice.jpg
 
FlowRate said:
The flaw here is that you're using the stupid american one-dimensional political scale.

Socialism and monarchy are the same thing from a personal economics point of view. On a larger scale, they differ only slightly on who the money goes to.

Anyway, the scale is generally "Socially Free" "Socially Oppressed/'Conservative'" "Economically Libertarian" (free) and "Economically Authoritarian" in a more accurate 2-D scale.

Who the money goes to (the monarchy stuff you were talking about) generally comes into affect in the much-less common and much-less universalized three-dimensional scale, which takes into account the precise form of the government, along with the two major areas of the government's control over individuals from the 2-D system.


Traditionally, this is how Libertarianism is defined, although that is not exactly true (see above).


That's getting into the more philosophical side that I haven't explored too much of.
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i didn't want to get into it any further. rama is known for long internet debates and i just don't have the energy or the interest to put my political science cap on.
 
FlowRate said:
Traditionally, this is how Libertarianism is defined, although that is not exactly true (see above).
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Yea, I've asked some people about that and they're like "Noo! That's not how it is" whereas others think it is, so I dunno anymore.
 
msb1190 said:
the docs i talk to say it sucks, but by the time we're through with training they'll have figured out another way to make money and will fill me in haha
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Artimacia said:
Haha, I've heard bad things from not only doctors, but nurses and other health care officials
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Despite all these issues, doctors will never NOT get paid extremely well. Trust me on that one.
 
as long as there is some way to pay for the education within a reasonable time, i'm cool. it's just a frightening idea that we could end up 200k in debt and not have a reliable way out of that debt.
 
Artimacia said:
Yea, I've asked some people about that and they're like "Noo! That's not how it is" whereas others think it is, so I dunno anymore.
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I can assure you, what I said is absolutely true. I don't think any of my post contained opinion aside from the analysis of the Republican party. (I edited a couple times).

However, the degree to which different Libertarians go to is very diverse. As I said about our own club chapter, we have the president and vice-president of the club who are pretty much anarcho-capitalists, but there's a base of the group that is much more "government can be useful, but only small." Personally, I'm becoming much more state's-rights friendly, which I think is a good compromise between government and personal liberties.
 
msb1190 said:
as long as there is some way to pay for the education within a reasonable time, i'm cool. it's just a frightening idea that we could end up 200k in debt and not have a reliable way out of that debt.
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Yea, that's my worry, not really "Gotta make sure I get paid a ton", just "I want to make sure I'm out of debt"
 
FlowRate said:
I can assure you, what I said is absolutely true. I don't think any of my post contained opinion aside from the analysis of the Republican party. (I edited a couple times).

However, the degree to which different Libertarians go to is very diverse. As I said about our own club chapter, we have the president and vice-president of the club who are pretty much anarcho-capitalists, but there's a base of the group that is much more "government can be useful, but only small." Personally, I'm becoming much more state's-rights friendly, which I think is a good compromise between government and personal liberties.
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Yea, the president at my school is exactly like yours. I think gov't is needed, but should have control over everything. Small.
 
msb1190 said:
as long as there is some way to pay for the education within a reasonable time, i'm cool. it's just a frightening idea that we could end up 200k in debt and not have a reliable way out of that debt.
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I feel the same way. If doctors salaries are substantially reduced then the price of a medical education will have to go down. I have some fear that I will pay to play then my desired salary won't be there by the time I'm practicing.
 
Artimacia said:
Yea, the president at my school is exactly like yours. I think gov't is needed, but should have control over everything. Small.
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Ah, I wouldn't personally advocate control over everything. Basic stuff. Taxes for utilities, self-defense, basic legal stuff.

It's really hard to figure out where I separate idealism and practicality. I've heard a lot of interesting theory about free market self regulation that could take the job of government and do it more efficiently. i.e. private regulating bodies instead of paying-the-government-stuff which is inherently inefficient.
 
msb1190 said:
as long as there is some way to pay for the education within a reasonable time, i'm cool. it's just a frightening idea that we could end up 200k in debt and not have a reliable way out of that debt.
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rHinO1 said:
I feel the same way. If doctors salaries are substantially reduced then the price of a medical education will have to go down. I have some fear that I will pay to play then my desired salary won't be there by the time I'm practicing.
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Just remember the gunners on SDN when you have these fears. Just look how argumentative SDN can get, and try to imagine a horde of these gunner docs lobbying against insurance companies.
 
FlowRate said:
Ah, I wouldn't personally advocate control over everything. Basic stuff. Taxes for utilities, self-defense, basic legal stuff.

It's really hard to figure out where I separate idealism and practicality. I've heard a lot of interesting theory about free market self regulation that could take the job of government and do it more efficiently. i.e. private regulating bodies instead of paying-the-government-stuff which is inherently inefficient.
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I meant shouldn't, sorry, typo
 
IndianVercetti said:
Just remember the gunners on SDN when you have these fears. Just look how argumentative SDN can get, and try to imagine a horde of these gunner docs lobbying against insurance companies.
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gunners don't work together. are you serious?
 
IndianVercetti said:
Just remember the gunners on SDN when you have these fears. Just look how argumentative SDN can get, and try to imagine a horde of these gunner docs lobbying against insurance companies.
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haha that is a great point! One thing about the U.S. is you have an opportunity to change things every 4 years.
 
Yeah that was true when people actually did lobby out of self preservation. Today lobby means you have a top notch legal and defense team, with tons of money. I don't believe doctors have much lobby power in washington anymore, or ever had to begin with. Compare the AMA to say,... HMO's and the difference is startling.
 
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