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How said:
the mistake is thinking that by finding the mental checklist woman of your dreams will make you happy.

You determine your happiness, it is of your control. A woman who is drop dead gorgeous or average will NOT determine your happiness.
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I think that's a little bit ignorant. And you are trying to tell me my dad is wrong, my dad is not wrong.

A very attractive women will raise confidence in yourself. Will make you want to take care of her and love her a lot. Will give you attractive kids and will make you proud of your kids, plus will make life a lot easier for your kids.

Having a woman who is drop dead gorgeous has a lot of pros and doesn't necessarily have any cons unless of course she is lacking in other areas and every woman has areas of lacking and has strong areas. But my happiness can depend on how attractive my wife is. When I get older my love for my wife will have aged and matured and changed and looks will not matter as much as loyalty and the fact that we've lived together for 20 years etc.
 
How said:
as a human being.

you are the same human being in the operating room as you are in your living room at home.
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no. in the operating room i am the patient's life line. at home, i provide whatever it is that she needs, but she better provide whatever it is that i need.
 
oakland guy, you need to explain yourself better, this guy is completely misconstruing your statements
 
bigballer27 said:
mannnn i wish i was in on this thread earlier, this is the juiciest stuff thus far!

sad im not with my gf anymore though (or at least for the time being...) single and ready to mingle 😉

i just want to point out that with my experiences with women its not always about playing games or being hard to get, so i dont know if i can agree with all the stuff you guys were just saying....you need to be able to get a woman interested in you, but know your boundaries and be able to quickly understand hers ive been rejected far too many times for being to blunt, or playing too hard to get or being too much of an @ss
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I agree and I stated this earlier that you don't necessarily have to play games, but it is situation dependent. If I just met a girl and got her number then there is somewhat of game playing/feeling each other out. Some girls play the game just to make sure you're not pathetic or desperate.
 
bigballer27 said:
mannnn i wish i was in on this thread earlier, this is the juiciest stuff thus far!

sad im not with my gf anymore though (or at least for the time being...) single and ready to mingle 😉

i just want to point out that with my experiences with women its not always about playing games or being hard to get, so i dont know if i can agree with all the stuff you guys were just saying....you need to be able to get a woman interested in you, but know your boundaries and be able to quickly understand hers ive been rejected far too many times for being to blunt, or playing too hard to get or being too much of an @ss
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yeah, i got out of an overdue relationship a few months ago. its great to get back to me. and yeah, game is part of it and figuring out each others boundaries is what the game is about. if it works, then it works. the game does it's job by letting you know if the timing is there for something to happen. timing is everything.
 
By drop dead gorgeous I mean a women who you find attractive. You should never ever ever settle, because you will always regret the decision you made, that is what I am trying to say!
 
oaklandguy said:
I weigh like 230 and I think I am at like 16-18% body fat or somewhere around there. I would like to be 200 lbs and 11-12% body fat.
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Oh I gotcha. That's a good goal.

msb1190 said:
you "bigger" guys should P90x it

i'm a pretty big guy, but from the way you guys are talking it sounds like you're bigger than me.
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I'm 6'2" and 197 right now. Not sure on % bf but probably pretty high 20%ish. AT the very least, higher than I'd prefer. I want to be able to see my abs with some definition by end of summer, which is all just cutting body fat.
 
How said:
I agree that most people have the attitude of give and take.

I also contend that most people fail and are unhappy.

Give give give is the best attitude you could possibly have.
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that is some co-dependant stuff right there. A woman will quickly lose interest in you if you don't allow her the opportunity to please you (and I'm not just talking about sex).
 
hey floatie, whatchu doin this weekend baby girl? 😉

How: note the game.
 
rHinO1 said:
that is some co-dependant stuff right there. A woman will quickly lose interest in you if you don't allow her the opportunity to please you (and I'm not just talking about sex).
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amen.
 
oaklandguy said:
By drop dead gorgeous I mean a women who you find attractive. You should never ever ever settle, because you will always regret the decision you made, that is what I am trying to say!
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Good work, I think How was interpreting your statement as, 'one has to marry a model'
 
oaklandguy said:
Having a woman who is drop dead gorgeous has a lot of pros and doesn't necessarily have any cons unless of course she is lacking in other areas and every woman has areas of lacking and has strong areas. But my happiness can depend on how attractive my wife is.
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say wha???
 
IndianVercetti said:
freud was right, everyone wants to marry a woman like their mother
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msb1190 said:
that's such an easy conclusion to come to though. it only works if you have a positive relationship with your mom though. if so, of course you'd want your SO to carry the same positive characteristics that your mom has.
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You know, I love my mom, but I would hate to marry a woman like her. I think this is common for a lot of people who were brought up by ultra-religious parents but turn out to be rather un-religious.

IndianVercetti said:
honestly, how, are you in a relationship? married? engaged?
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Psh, who needs those things when you can be gettin' all the benefits with none of the hassle? Frequent flyer miles without ever having to buy the ticket? :meanie:
 
FlowRate said:
Oh I gotcha. That's a good goal.



I'm 6'2" and 197 right now. Not sure on % bf but probably pretty high 20%ish. AT the very least, higher than I'd prefer. I want to be able to see my abs with some definition by end of summer, which is all just cutting body fat.
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Thanks man, I'm 6' 2" as well, but I'm 230, but again, most is muscle. I can't see my abs either though. I have the body of a NFL linebacker but maybe a little less muscle and a little more fat. I definitely wanna lean down though, lose fat and muscle.
 
ive been hearing so much about this p90X, takes some major dedication it seems like
 
How said:
any woman will tell you what I say is accurate BUT this doesn't mean they will not go for a selfish guy.

Again, I point to the divorce rate. Women do not go for what they know is best for them, but some do. I would say most don't.
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i know a lot of women that would laugh
 
How said:
any woman will tell you what I say is accurate BUT this doesn't mean they will not go for a selfish guy.

Again, I point to the divorce rate. Women do not go for what they know is best for them, but some do. I would say most don't.
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dude, i don't think women are the best source for dating advice.
 
FlowRate said:
You know, I love my mom, but I would hate to marry a woman like her. I think this is common for a lot of people who were brought up by ultra-religious parents but turn out to be rather un-religious.



Psh, who needs those things when you can be gettin' all the benefits with none of the hassle? Frequent flyer miles without ever having to buy the ticket? :meanie:
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yeah, i can see what you're saying. my mom is pretty religious and involved in her church but she never forced that on me, so its all good.
 
How said:
a modern day knight is not a silly fairly tale. The greatest men and women on earth attempt to live to an ideal, though rarely achieving it.
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I don't disagree with the sentiment but it still sounds like some magic the gathering/dungeons & dragons stuff to me. Too silly...
 
How said:
If your dad is saying a woman's attractiveness or lack there of determines your happiness, your dad is DEAD wrong. So wrong that he couldn't be more wrong.


Wow. So wrong again. You guys say I'm dealing in ideals, but my ideals are about service. The statement above is a fantasy.

How someone looks will not make you more confident. Nor will it make you want to care more for her. This is a very childish understanding of life. How you take care of people has to do with a code that you live by. It has to do with what type of person you are NOT your circumstances.

I'm sure life will be easier for your kids if they are good looking. I could also name people living amazing lives who aren't models.



There are so many problems with this philosophy.
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Studies show that parents choose a favorite kid and the favorite kid is the more attractive child. I don't have any sources, but I remember reading about it.

If I used to date Adrianna Lima, and now I date Rosie O'Donnel I don't expect myself to treat them the same. I will feel as though I could do better and probably wouldn't end up staying with Rosie. Someone else might find Rosie more attractive than Adrianna and they end up staying with Rosie, but me personally, would not be able to stay with Rosie because I do not find her attractive and would feel as though I have let myself down.
 
IndianVercetti said:
dude, i don't think women are the best source for dating advice.
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depending on the girl, they can actually be the best way for you to get in the head of women and learn what they want/need

everything ive learned has either been through experience or through other girls telling me
 
How said:
having an attitude of giving doesn't mean you can't receive.
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i think some women like the idea of knowing a guy has expections, and wanting to fulfill those expections - or at least, i've heard this sentiment from friends
 
bigballer27 said:
ive been hearing so much about this p90X, takes some major dedication it seems like
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It's tough to do it as a pre-med. Working out 6 days a week, plus the diet.

The workouts aren't that bad though, Insanity has harder workouts.

Then again, it all depends on your level of fitness.
 
How said:
Its funny that those that are disagree with me are somehow implying that I think you should be with an unattractive woman. I am not.

It is very likely you will be attracted to the woman you marry.
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not true, how can you come to that conclusion?
 
msb1190 said:
hey floatie, whatchu doin this weekend baby girl? 😉

How: note the game.
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Just checking in and making sure you boys are getting along. I'm "studying" for my final now.

IndianVercetti said:
I already tried to hit on her with my chicken masala recipe

but she was too much of a biyotch
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msb knows how to sweet talk. You should ask him how it's done.

Btw, all the cool kids spell it beotch.
 
How said:
having an attitude of giving doesn't mean you can't receive.
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see you are full of it... you change your stance on things and then try to spin it like you agree with the give and take, without actually agreeing. It is impossible to discuss things with a person who can't stick to what they said earlier in the conversation. 🙄
IndianVercetti said:
dude, i don't think women are the best source for dating advice.
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How said:
agreed.
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Yeah How thinks he is the best source for dating advice :laugh:
 
Looks like you finally have a following:
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 14 (9 members and 5 guests)

Keep it up and you might achieve a fraction of the epicness that is 2014.
 
FloatOn said:
Just checking in and making sure you boys are getting along. I'm "studying" for my final now.



msb knows how to sweet talk. You should ask him how it's done.

Btw, all the cool kids spell it beotch.
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good luck with that final. is it your last one? i know you'll do great, and you have my full support!

How: note the continued game.
 
How said:
think of it as a warrior. Like Gladiator or Braveheart. Not silly or childish.

It is masculine.
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I am a man. That is all. I don't play make believe or dress up.
 
FloatOn said:
Looks like you finally have a following:
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 14 (9 members and 5 guests)

Keep it up and you might achieve a fraction of the epicness that is 2014.
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quality, not quantity...or is that more of an excuse :X
 
i feel like How is the character from role models who plays in the medieval wars.
 
How, since you dodged the question about your relationship status... do you mind sharing how old you are?
 
bigballer27 said:
depending on the girl, they can actually be the best way for you to get in the head of women and learn what they want/need

everything ive learned has either been through experience or through other girls telling me
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I generally don't like getting dating advice from women. But, I know a girl who is a freaking man-eater. Me and her are "just-friends" and she is a very attractive girl, but not the type of girl I would ever date, so she knows I'm not going for her and has given me some of the best advice ever. She spits mad game, like I don't think I would ever be able to keep up with her.

On the other hand, I've tried getting advice from girls who don't hit the dating scene as hard and most of their advice has bit me in the a*$ in some way or the other.

Honestly though, being yourself is the best advice. You don't want a girl who is going to date you thinking you are something you're not. I want a girl who wants me for me. I just have to keep her interested, so you can't always be the one to start texting her and you can't always answer her calls etc. It really is simple. I feel like pre-meds try to make it into a science or into a formula, it's more of an art.
 
How said:
Your shallowness is coming through slowly here buddy.

I don't need to look at a study to understand that people gravitate towards attractive people, it is obvious. Being attractive gives you more authority and persuasive ability, it is a fact. I've studied persuasion in a lot of depth.

What I'm saying that your weakness as a human being is on display. If you change who you are as a human being based upon how good looking or not the person you are with is, then you are shallow.

You are letting something outside of you change your character. You bend and break like a reed in the wind based upon your circumstances.
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You can call it shallow, I call it instinct.

Studies have also shown men choose attractive women instinctively to have attractive kids. Not for their own pleasure. Again, just because society tells me Adrianna Lima is sexy doesn't mean she's my type. I have my own type of girl that I am looking for, what I look for in a woman has nothing to do with what you think. If I bend and break for society, isn't it the same as me bending and breaking to try to not be shallow?
 
msb1190 said:
i feel like How is the character from role models who plays in the medieval wars.
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haha yes! McLovin!
How said:
I'm not talking clothes, I talking about values.
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I hate to break it to you but king arthur & the knights of the round table was a made up fairy tale. Real knights were a bunch of savage warriors raping and pillaging, getting drunk on mead and slaughtering goats for bad azz bbq.
 
IndianVercetti said:
mind clarifying?

they appear the same to me.
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give give give recieve = wuss that is desperate to get a girl and will do anything to please her so that she doesn't leave his sorry azz
 
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