Clinical thread - PHACO

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Just trying to start up some clinical threads:

1) Has anyone done a PHACO case where there has been a complication? People have asked me before why anesthesia is needed for PHACO's done with local and I talk about the old, sicker patients and the possibility of complications.

2) What is your 'cocktail' for PHACO's? I do 1 of versed, 50 of fentanyl, and 5 of ketamine.
 
Sometimes, the ophthalmologists I work with do retrobulbar blocks on selected patients. These have plenty of complications of their own, and I also give a small dose of propofol while they do the block. I personally haven't seen it with a phaco, but I guess oculocardiac reflex is possible too. In addition, even the tiny amounts of versed and fentanyl COULD adversely affect a sick patient, but it's probably rare.
 
Just trying to start up some clinical threads:

1) Has anyone done a PHACO case where there has been a complication? People have asked me before why anesthesia is needed for PHACO's done with local and I talk about the old, sicker patients and the possibility of complications.

2) What is your 'cocktail' for PHACO's? I do 1 of versed, 50 of fentanyl, and 5 of ketamine.

Why ketamine?
They need anesthesia because we can bill for it.
 
In my practice we do alot of cataracts and other optho cases. Most of the cataracts are done with a retrobulbar block. A few surgeons do them with just topical. I and my partners do most of the retrobulbars. I usually give about 150 to 200 mg of pentothal, or 70-100 mg of propofol and do the block. We have very few complications with the retrobulbars. There have been one or two retrobulbar hemorrhages in the last few years. But that is out of about 1500 cataracts per year. These few hemorrhages have not been a problem b/c we pick up on them quickly and the optho guys take care of them. I have seen the oculocardiac reflex a few times with cataracts, but is usually as the surgeon starts and not with the block. I think the cataracts done with retrobulbars are easier for the surgeon to do because the eye doesn't move and they seem to get better dilation. It seems like the ones done under topical take longer (20-25 min vs 10-15 min with retrobulbar). The patients I don't do retrobulbars in are ones with high INR's ie>3 or plt counts less than 100k. Even with high INR's our optho guys will usually block them. I had a lady with a prosthetic heart valve with an INR of 3.7 and she still got blocked but not by me.

As for surgical complications, rarely the optho guy will rupture the capsule and have to do a vitrectomy. If the cataract is being done under topical the patient is brought back the next day for GA/retrobulbar. Do we really need to be there for topical cataracts? I feel given this patient population we do. Usually we don't do much other than give some versed and fentanly (especially if they have good topicalization). I think the fact that alot of these patients have one foot in the grave already justifies us being there.
 
Why ketamine?
They need anesthesia because we can bill for it.

haha, it's true. And Phaco's are a large part of our practice since our group covers a lot of outpatient surgery centers. So I would hate to lose this work. I had gotten in a conversation with this surgeon about why anesthesia needed to be there for PHACO's under topical. I explained about oculocardiac reflex, and the ASA 4 patients that we see, and he asked what sort of complications, anesthetic wise I had seen with the PHACO's. And I have seen none, but I just wanted to see if anyone else had seen some. Now we have some surgeons that aren't quite as skilled, so we have done 2 hour PHACO's and vitrectemys for accidental vitreal tears - so I have seen plenty of that.

The ketamine.. I just really like the drug. Chills out the patient without making them too sleepy, some analgesia without the nausea. Maybe it makes a difference, maybe it doesn't. Most my partners do it, and the eye guys believe that it makes a difference.
 
In my practice we do alot of cataracts and other optho cases. Most of the cataracts are done with a retrobulbar block. A few surgeons do them with just topical. I and my partners do most of the retrobulbars. I usually give about 150 to 200 mg of pentothal, or 70-100 mg of propofol and do the block. We have very few complications with the retrobulbars. There have been one or two retrobulbar hemorrhages in the last few years. But that is out of about 1500 cataracts per year. These few hemorrhages have not been a problem b/c we pick up on them quickly and the optho guys take care of them. I have seen the oculocardiac reflex a few times with cataracts, but is usually as the surgeon starts and not with the block. I think the cataracts done with retrobulbars are easier for the surgeon to do because the eye doesn't move and they seem to get better dilation. It seems like the ones done under topical take longer (20-25 min vs 10-15 min with retrobulbar). The patients I don't do retrobulbars in are ones with high INR's ie>3 or plt counts less than 100k. Even with high INR's our optho guys will usually block them. I had a lady with a prosthetic heart valve with an INR of 3.7 and she still got blocked but not by me.

As for surgical complications, rarely the optho guy will rupture the capsule and have to do a vitrectomy. If the cataract is being done under topical the patient is brought back the next day for GA/retrobulbar. Do we really need to be there for topical cataracts? I feel given this patient population we do. Usually we don't do much other than give some versed and fentanly (especially if they have good topicalization). I think the fact that alot of these patients have one foot in the grave already justifies us being there.
Why retrobulbar and not periblubar?
 
Why retrobulbar and not periblubar?


In my experience retrobulbars are quicker and work better with less anesthetic. When I do mine I use a 25mm 25 gauge needle. When I inject, I always have about 3mm of the needle out of the skin and I never angle medially towards the optic nerve, arteries/vein. I think with this technique you have less chance of hitting these structures since the needle is not deep enough and you have not angled toward them. Peribulbars usually take more than one injection to work and I haven't gotten as good of results even with two injections as I have with the retrobulbar. I feel the shorter needle (alot of people are still using the 27 mm needle and hubbing it) increases the safety profile of the retrobulbar block.
 
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