Co-fellow fired

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Piebaldi said:
Yes the other position is ready to go.
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So the surgeon that owrks at the practice pulled me aside and essetnially attacked my professional competence, called me a princess, brought up my place of birth/asked me how long i have been here in the US.
before i resigend nothing had been said about my competence, etc. they have become very hostile afterwards.

i am thinking of asking for my last day to be today. thoughts?
 
lobelsteve said:
If you gave notice, they should instantly fire you and let you get your stuff. Then escort you off premises.
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They didn't fire me,I resigned yesterday. I was poite, professional, and essentially gave the standard "not a good fit." Thenthe main attending via email told me how I had done this and that wrong (never brought up before),and yesterday before the surgeon found out he agreed with my exams, with this and that,etc. today he called me a "princess," asked me "how long have u been here" etc etc.

I don't find htis acceptable or professional. And if I was so terrible why would they wnat me for an additional 2 weeks, and why would they leave me all by myself to take care of clinics entirely by myself?

Seems like sour grapes to me. I would have expected for them to say - well good luckwith everything and that's it.
 
I'd say they want you for a little while longer bc of scheduling.
 
lobelsteve said:
The employer should lock you out of building as soon as you give notice. It’s bad for all involved to keep you around.
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I don't know, this sounds a bit harsh. OP committed no malpractice, just resigned. What threat is she to keep around for her two weeks notice?
 
lobelsteve said:
The employer should lock you out of building as soon as you give notice. It’s bad for all involved to keep you around.
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lobelsteve said:
Stealing charts, patient info, short timer syndrome. No reward for keeping the person on board.
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I'd be infuriated if I set up a clinic schedule under the assumption I have extra labor around and then had to cancel and reschedule people.

Then again I refuse to have a 5 min pt visit so maybe to some ppl that isn't a problem.
 
Ligament said:
I don't know, this sounds a bit harsh. OP committed no malpractice, just resigned. What threat is she to keep around for her two weeks notice?
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They were super pissed -attacked me personally,professionally,asked me "how long I was in the country"etc.They are also trying trying to charge me for the tail premium. BS. I won't be paying that.
 
SommeRiver said:
I'd be infuriated if I set up a clinic schedule under the assumption I have extra labor around and then had to cancel and reschedule people.

Then again I refuse to have a 5 min pt visit so maybe to some ppl that isn't a problem.
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Well then they shouldn't insult, belittle, attack and racially discriminate their "fellows".
 
Piebaldi said:
Well then they shouldn't insult, belittle, attack and racially discriminate their "fellows".
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I agree but I'd assume there would be a transitional period as you cycle out.

If they're making racist statements I'd just leave and tell them to eff off...

Edit - I should say if someone is truly saying racist BS to you feel free to slap them in the face. Billets mean nothing in that situation. No one would care IMO, and if they do you'll survive without a pain fellowship.
 
SommeRiver said:
I agree but I'd assume there would be a transitional period as you cycle out.

If they're making racist statements I'd just leave and tell them to eff off...
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Exactly. The dudetells me - "I don't know how long you have been in this country..."really? Unbelievable.
 
If that's your racist claim you don't get to slap anyone bc I don't consider that racist as opposed to just a dumb and nonsensical statement, but if you're feeling personally insulted just leave. Sounds like a mess.
 
SommeRiver said:
If that's your racist claim you don't get to slap anyone bc I don't consider that racist as opposed to just a dumb and nonsensical statement, but if you're feeling personally insulted just leave. Sounds like a mess.
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The place is a mess. Super duper toxic.
 
Piebaldi said:
The place is a mess. Super duper toxic. The surgeon doesn't review medical records, has the medical assistants sign the medical records, doesn't see a bunch of the patients he's supposed to see, etc.
Mess!
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Just a word of caution, if there is another place ready to accept a new fellow in the middle of the year so quickly, you may discover it is not any nicer or less racist.
 
Piebaldi said:
They are also trying trying to charge me for the tail premium. BS. I won't be paying that.
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It’s possible if you (or they) don’t pay the tail you could get sued and have no coverage in the future. Also, many jobs require you to have tail coverage (my contract does). I would think tail coverage for that short of a time would not be much in the entire scheme of things. I’ve seen ~$3k for an entire year for a newbie.
 
Good luck. The grass isn't always greener elsewhere, but that sounds like a **** show you're leaving.
 
It sounds like that place you were leaving has no business training fellows. I hope the new place works out. But if it doesn’t, please, please, please, go to an AC GME accredited fellowship. Many of these issues become non-issues in a place like that
 
epidural man said:
It sounds like that place you were leaving has no business training fellows. I hope the new place works out. But if it doesn’t, please, please, please, go to an AC GME accredited fellowship. Many of these issues become non-issues in a place like that
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I kept being told that "it's the best place to train."
 
paindoc007 said:
By who? You must have had bad attendings and mentors from your residency program then if that’s the case
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I can't think I've ever heard "the best place to train" is a non-accredited private fellowship.

Again, it may be excellent...but I've never heard anybody say this about any non-accredited fellowship.
 
paindoc007 said:
By who? You must have had bad attendings and mentors from your residency program then if that’s the case
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No, the attending and surgeon at the practice said that when I quit. They tried to justify why I resigned - all sorts of ridiculous statements, "you don't want to work hard, this is not the place for you since you don't want to work hard, etc." No it was just a terrible place, with no teaching, no didactics, no CME time, no communication, abuse, and even the actual needle sticking the only way we would be "corrected"was by the attending moving his finger - no this is how you do this because of this, or that's wrong because of that, etc. It's just having bruised egos because I resigned, from a place I consider exceptionally toxic. I remember one time the attending was so angry he just threw his phone agaisnt the desk. Completely volatile situation.
 
Ligament said:
I can't think I've ever heard "the best place to train" is a non-accredited private fellowship.

Again, it may be excellent...but I've never heard anybody say this about any non-accredited fellowship.
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Of course. IT wasn't. They were exceptionally ego bruised because of my resignation.
 
They’ll just find the next unsuspecting soul to “train.” I’m sure their ego is intact.
 
Only way to learn needlecraft is to do the procedure and learn the feel yourself. No one can teach that to you. That's why accredited fellowships throw you in the procedure schedule on day one.

I did a med school PMR rotation as a med student and was allowed to do epidurals for God's sake.

No one held my hand as a resident doing any spine procedure, and I got to do stim cases and kyphos too.

To say you need to be slowly weaned into the needle is absurd, but a non accredited program is essentially a private practice who allows you to learn on their patients so that's why you probably didn't get to do a lot.

I know a lot of people who do interventional pain that didn't do a fellowship. You definitely can do that assuming your residency prepared you for it. Emory certainly does.
 
dhcofc said:
They’ll just find the next unsuspecting soul to “train.” I’m sure their ego is intact.
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Their ego is not intact at all. Reason why their behavior was what it was.
 
SommeRiver said:
Only way to learn needlecraft is to do the procedure and learn the feel yourself. No one can teach that to you. That's why accredited fellowships throw you in the procedure schedule on day one.

I did a med school PMR rotation as a med student and was allowed to do epidurals for God's sake.

No one held my hand as a resident doing any spine procedure, and I got to do stim cases and kyphos too.

To say you need to be slowly weaned into the needle is absurd, but a non accredited program is essentially a private practice who allows you to learn on their patients so that's why you probably didn't get to do a lot.

I know a lot of people who do interventional pain that didn't do a fellowship. You definitely can do that assuming your residency prepared you for it. Emory certainly does.
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Yes that has been my point. The only way to learn is to do the procedure yourself - and master it doing it over and over and over again. And that's exactly what I wanted - to do things from day one. Attending would even do TPI's and say something like oh patients need to feel comfortable with fellows first. Please.
 
Keep those racist emails in case this becomes a legal case.
 
SeniorWrangler said:
Keep those racist emails in case this becomes a legal case.
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This was done in person - I wrote HR the same day though with my complaints. Not sure what could become legal about this though.
 
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