MD & DO co'21 Residency Panic thread

[Banco]

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Maybe your home program but every single program I've interviewed at says they're interviewing the exact same number of applicants. Thalamus spots confirm it.

This might be specialty dependent. GS in general does not seem to have sent more invites for the most part, at least at the academic programs. Some programs have reported increased application numbers however and have likely adapted a bit, but doesn't seem to be considerable.


Which is why interview hoarding may actually be hurting GS applicants quite a bit; we can see this now in the spreadsheet as most top tier and mid tier academic programs have gone out and people are starting to drop interviews. But then you have the odd post of someone with 25+ interviews having trouble trying to schedule them all, which is some crazy overkill, because we all know this person with a 260 isn't going to a community program across the country.

 

[Oligodinero]

Got my second rejection today.

 

[deleted1062590]

I haven't received too many rejections (decent amount of ghosting), but man do those rejections sting. It's weird knowing that you've made it this far in the process (medical school acceptance to now), and for some places, the dream is just...over. I think that from starting medical school to the moments leading up to a rejection, I've had this mentality that this process can take me anywhere. But when you get that rejection, the door immediately closes somewhere. And while the path to my future residency program may become a little clearer, I can't say that I feel a sense of solace in the increased certainty. Maybe I'm being dramatic, but it's almost surreal.

 

[ritts]

I haven't received too many rejections (decent amount of ghosting), but man do those rejections sting. It's weird knowing that you've made it this far in the process (medical school acceptance to now), and for some places, the dream is just...over. I think that from starting medical school to the moments leading up to a rejection, I've had this mentality that this process can take me anywhere. But when you get that rejection, the door immediately closes somewhere. And while the path to my future residency program may become a little clearer, I can't say that I feel a sense of solace in the increased certainty. Maybe I'm being dramatic, but it's almost surreal.

As much as rejections sting, I like that we’re not left in the dark. They (apparently) gave our apps a look and for whatever reason, they decided to go with other applicants. For me, that closure is helpful, knowing that I won’t end up there. Then, you’re able to get excited about the other wonderful places you applied to

 

[getfat]

none of mine have had that. usually one person asks too many questions for an hour while the rest of us each ask one

ugh yes. attended one where it was 2.5 hours just because one person couldn't stop asking questions for the last 1.5 hours lol

This! I'm starting to realize alot of our cohorts are terrible at reading the room haha. I'm hoping its just zoom and not people in general.

If you're the one chomping at the bit every time to ask questions (even worse googable questions) then you need to chill out.

Other people are trying to learn about the program too.

 

[frenchyn]

As much as rejections sting, I like that we’re not left in the dark. They (apparently) gave our apps a look and for whatever reason, they decided to go with other applicants. For me, that closure is helpful, knowing that I won’t end up there. Then, you’re able to get excited about the other wonderful places you applied to

And you don't spend your days hoping for a second chance that may never come...I prefer rejection as well over radio silence

 

[Oligodinero]

As much as rejections sting, I like that we’re not left in the dark. They (apparently) gave our apps a look and for whatever reason, they decided to go with other applicants. For me, that closure is helpful, knowing that I won’t end up there. Then, you’re able to get excited about the other wonderful places you applied to

great way of looking at it.

 

[deleted645092]

This meme was an awfully accurate description of the typical day for the past two weeks..Today it was not! 4th II

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Lmao 2nd rejection for me today.

 

[NecrotizingFasciitis]

I've had 3 DR rejections from upper-tier places and 1 prelim IM rejection (no idea what their rank was) but I agree 100% I love the closure and respect the hell out of programs doing this.

It's part of the process; just gotta remember to not get discouraged.

 

[Chibucks15]

Do you guys keep running into the same faces on the interview trail? There's this cute guy whom I met twice (1 prelim, 1 rads). I want to reach out to him because the PC shared all of the email addresses in the last zoom invite, but I don't have the balls realize this is unprofessional. So I'll try this instead:

Cute rads guy, if you happen to be reading this post, I think divine fate is trying to bring us together. Please DM me

Is it unprofessional? Haha idk

 

[Mr. D.O.five]

Do you guys keep running into the same faces on the interview trail? There's this cute guy whom I met twice (1 prelim, 1 rads). I want to reach out to him because the PC shared all of the email addresses in the last zoom invite, but I don't have the balls realize this is unprofessional. So I'll try this instead:

Cute rads guy, if you happen to be reading this post, I think divine fate is trying to bring us together. Please DM me

Shooters shoot, so shoot ya shot

 

[NecrotizingFasciitis]

I agree with the above @mandu_cheeks, I think you could reach out in a non-creepy way it would probably make this dude's day. Such an ego boost to get a compliment like that haha.

 

[Scrubs101]

Do you guys keep running into the same faces on the interview trail? There's this cute guy whom I met twice (1 prelim, 1 rads). I want to reach out to him because the PC shared all of the email addresses in the last zoom invite, but I don't have the balls realize this is unprofessional. So I'll try this instead:

Cute rads guy, if you happen to be reading this post, I think divine fate is trying to bring us together. Please DM me

Is he eying you down in the chat lobby? Can you tell? Does it matter? Idk? Full send it, live life with no ragrats

match making via zoom residency interviews during a pandemic is the most 2020 thing ever

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Do you guys keep running into the same faces on the interview trail? There's this cute guy whom I met twice (1 prelim, 1 rads). I want to reach out to him because the PC shared all of the email addresses in the last zoom invite, but I don't have the balls realize this is unprofessional. So I'll try this instead:

Cute rads guy, if you happen to be reading this post, I think divine fate is trying to bring us together. Please DM me

Yo. Send that ****.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

Do you guys keep running into the same faces on the interview trail? There's this cute guy whom I met twice (1 prelim, 1 rads). I want to reach out to him because the PC shared all of the email addresses in the last zoom invite, but I don't have the balls realize this is unprofessional. So I'll try this instead:

Cute rads guy, if you happen to be reading this post, I think divine fate is trying to bring us together. Please DM me

 

[3member]

Am I supposed to contact the PC if I rescheduled an interview from mid-December to late November? It's through ERAS scheduling.
Also, some freeze dates are literally the night before the interview. Isn't that strange? I can't imagine rescheduling the day before being looked at favorably.

I don't think so if it was on ERAS. How far away is your interview?

 

[Ganon]

 

[Neopolymath]

Do you guys keep running into the same faces on the interview trail? There's this cute guy whom I met twice (1 prelim, 1 rads). I want to reach out to him because the PC shared all of the email addresses in the last zoom invite, but I don't have the balls realize this is unprofessional. So I'll try this instead:

Cute rads guy, if you happen to be reading this post, I think divine fate is trying to bring us together. Please DM me

I'm married. Sorry.

 

[Dr. Rafiki]

ok so I gave in to peer pressure and sent it. hopefully he remembers me, and we'll get to celebrate two matches next year 😉

I hope you included your ERAS pic for reference lmao

 

[To be MD]

ok so I gave in to peer pressure and sent it. hopefully he remembers me, and we'll get to celebrate two matches next year 😉

I kid you not: I met my partner at an interview

 

[LieutenantKone]

Is anyone else considering ranking solely on location?

 

[Neopolymath]

Is anyone else considering ranking solely on location?

Like 99% for programs that are even close to comparable. But not as much for one or two programs that are straight up ****ty. So overalls, yeah almost completely.

 

[NecrotizingFasciitis]

Is anyone else considering ranking solely on location?

Location is def big for me but opportunities/benefits and gut feel are also def gunna play a role.

I’m gunna make a 1-10 scale of the above I think at some point for each program.

 

[Ho0v-man]

Is anyone else considering ranking solely on location?

There was one program with a not so great location I’m going to rank pretty highly. Not a top program or anything. Just really good moonlighting, low COL, cool faculty/residents. This is not the norm. It’s mostly location.

 

[deleted697308]

Am I supposed to contact the PC if I rescheduled an interview from mid-December to late November? It's through ERAS scheduling.
Also, some freeze dates are literally the night before the interview. Isn't that strange? I can't imagine rescheduling the day before being looked at favorably.

i didn't contact any times i changed through eras so you probz good

 

[efle]

Is anyone else considering ranking solely on location?

Yeah it's #1 for me. I'd much rather be in some midwest or south smaller city I can live in a real house during residency >> another half decade of renting a small apartment in Manhattan, Chicago, San Fran etc.

 

[Neopolymath]

Yeah it's #1 for me. I'd much rather be in some midwest or south smaller city I can live in a real house during residency >> another half decade of renting a small apartment in Manhattan, Chicago, San Fran etc.

Look, man, I'm gonna need you to hush about my plan. All these dweebs can fight about top cities. I love it when they **** on the places I want to go. It's music to my ears.

 

[Banco]

Is anyone else considering ranking solely on location?

Yeah like that's 90% the main factor. Luckily in a 1-2 hour driving radius there are a ton of amazing programs.

 

[deleted645092]

Look, man, I'm gonna need you to hush about my plan. All these dweebs can fight about top cities. I love it when they **** on the places I want to go. It's music to my ears.

Be careful, say that kind of thing on Reddit and you get labeled as a racist. Some dude got piled on for having the nerve to say that. +1 though, I love having disposable income.

 

[Neopolymath]

Be careful, say that kind of thing on Reddit and you get labeled as a racist. Some dude got piled on for having the nerve to say that. +1 though, I love having disposable income.

I'm not applying to EM with the fighters haha. That spreadsheet is wild.

 

[deleted645092]

I'm not applying to EM with the fighters haha. That spreadsheet is wild.

Lol it’s a bloodbath. To the point where people are claiming their interviewers told them they’re going to audit our total number of interviews before submitting rank lists in order to scare people into withdrawing interviews.

 

[getfat]

Lol it’s a bloodbath. To the point where people are claiming their interviewers told them they’re going to audit our total number of interviews before submitting rank lists in order to scare people into withdrawing interviews.

I would be ok w/ it for the 30+ IV horders w/ insane stats. Theres probably only a handful.

But you're literally screwing your collegues at this point.

Are you realistically looking at scranton community EM when you've got offers from multiple university places? Cancel it if you've hit your preset number or trade it out.

Somebody else is begging for an opportunity to interview there.

 

[Chibucks15]

I would be ok w/ it for the 30+ IV horders w/ insane stats. Theres probably only a handful.

But you're literally screwing your collegues at this point.

Are you realistically looking at scranton community EM when you've got offers from multiple university places? Cancel it if you've hit your preset number or trade it out.

Somebody else is begging for an opportunity to interview there.

But they “earned” those interviews by applying to 150 programs!!! Even though it will absolutely destroy someone else’s career they deserve to go to all of them, especially the ones they don’t even like. Like why should they give them up though /s

 

[getfat]

But they “earned” those interviews by applying to 150 programs!!! Even though it will absolutely destroy someone else’s career they deserve to go to all of them, especially the ones they don’t even like. Like why should they give them up though /s

Haha. Props to anyone that has the mental discipline to go on > 20 honestly.

I have interview #6 this AM. Already debating capping out at #10 and calling it a day.

I feel like I would give no flips if I was on interview #20.

"tell me about myself? If only I wrote a 1 page document that did this and why I would be a good fit for a program"

 

[frenchyn]

Haha. Props to anyone that has the mental discipline to go on > 20 honestly.

I have interview #6 this AM. Already debating capping out at #10 and calling it a day.

I feel like I would give no flips if I was on interview #20.

"tell me about myself? If only I wrote a 1 page document that did this and why I would be a good fit for a program"

I would rather watch Netflix then go on 20 interviews lol...but if you apply to a competitive specialty, it is kinda not a choice

 

[You shall know the Truth]

I received an interview outside of eras, it was sent to my email from the coordinator. Are there any problems with this in terms of eras/ranking?

 

[redsox93]

I received an interview outside of eras, it was sent to my email from the coordinator. Are there any problems with this in terms of eras/ranking?

I would say about half of mine have been outside of ERAS

 

[You shall know the Truth]

I would say about half of mine have been outside of ERAS

Thank you

 

[efle]

If zoom interviews are exhausting by #6 I cannot imagine how bad it must have been in prior years to fly to 12-15 cities for full-day in person interviews! Oof

 

[Doggeronie]

All of those percentage chance things are BS. Got 16 IIs last year, interviewed and ranked 13, still SOAPed into a prelim.

Stuff like this is what scares me... I have ~30 IM interviews (planning on doing 20+) and I pray to God something like this doesn't happen

 

[mehc012]

If zoom interviews are exhausting by #6 I cannot imagine how bad it must have been in prior years to fly to 12-15 cities for full-day in person interviews! Oof

It was rough.
Fortunately, I'm getting fewer interviews this year AND they're all on Zoom! /s

Srs though, even my home program sent me a rejection this week. I feel like my prelim status is dragging me down like an anchor around my neck. No love from academic places.

 

[PorkChopsOG]

Is anyone else considering ranking solely on location?

I'm struggling with this. I have IVs at really good programs across the country. But the thought of doing the hardest time of my life away from my family/friends and support system worries me. I know thousands of people do it every year, but at the end of the day, I don't know if it'll be worth it especially since my career goals don't involve fellowship.

 

[efle]

I feel like my prelim status is dragging me down like an anchor around my neck. No love from academic places.

Bad luck being an outlier in a year of over-applying and heavy filtering. But it only takes 1 good fit!

 

[MakeLifeHappen13]

Anybody else feel like you're attending double the amount of interviews by going to the pre-interview social. Most of them have been so awkward and I probably wouldn't go if I didn't think it would hurt my rank chances.

 

[efle]

Anybody else feel like you're attending double the amount of interviews by going to the pre-interview social. Most of them have been so awkward and I probably wouldn't go if I didn't think they hurt my rank chances.

It's interesting how different the approaches are between institutions. Some places want an hour of social the night before plus 5-6 hours interview day, while others are doing like 2 hours total. Gotta wonder if this stuff really affects our rank this year at all

 

[12jas]

Stuff like this is what scares me... I have ~30 IM interviews (planning on doing 20+) and I pray to God something like this doesn't happen

For the love of God you don't need to go on 20+ interviews for IM. The data doesn't lie. The above poster that went on 13 and had to SOAP is extremely rare and I bet if you dig deeper there is a reason why (IMG, board failure, really bad interviewer). Sure if you have a red flag go on as many as you want but if you are an average applicant it's asinine to think you are going to be the 1/150 person that doesn't match with a rank list that long.

Edit: The actual number for USMD in IM to not match with a rank list 13+ is 1 in 1,580.
For a DO that number is 1 in 444.

 

[mehc012]

For the love of God you don't need to go on 20+ interviews for IM. The data doesn't lie. The above poster that went on 13 and had to SOAP is extremely rare and I bet if you dig deeper there is a reason why (IMG, board failure, really bad interviewer). Sure if you have a red flag go on as many as you want but if you are an average applicant it's asinine to think you are going to be the 1/150 person that doesn't match with a rank list that long.

There's not. Read the thread. 260s on boards and graduated from mid-upper tier USMD. Honors on all clinicals except Peds. Great LORs (confirmed by multiple PDs after the fact, and commented on by many interviewers). Strong PS (same sources for feedback). Did plenty of practice interviews with good feedback and had programs that I'd interviewed at courting me for SOAP, so I couldn't have been that bad in person.

It's not asinine to maximize your chances. The data doesn't lie, but at the end of the day you have to know that you put everything you could into the cycle. Any interview you get is an interview you earned, and you shouldn't feel badly for keeping it. I regret to this day the 3 places I didn't interview at last cycle.

 

[efle]

For the love of God you don't need to go on 20+ interviews for IM. The data doesn't lie. The above poster that went on 13 and had to SOAP is extremely rare and I bet if you dig deeper there is a reason why (IMG, board failure, really bad interviewer). Sure if you have a red flag go on as many as you want but if you are an average applicant it's asinine to think you are going to be the 1/150 person that doesn't match with a rank list that long.

The above poster was a US senior from a major academic center MD school with top decile boards and good clinical grades. They were even told by one of the programs they re-encountered in the SOAP that they hadn't ranked them because they thought they were too competitive to land there.

What's asinine is telling people a few more days in front of their webcam isn't worth it. The risk-reward here is massively in favor of hoarding

 

[frenchyn]

It was rough.
Fortunately, I'm getting fewer interviews this year AND they're all on Zoom! /s

Srs though, even my home program sent me a rejection this week. I feel like my prelim status is dragging me down like an anchor around my neck. No love from academic places.

People are judging others who are hoarding interview. They just don’t understand how difficult it is to get interview as a re applicant. My friend as well is having difficult time to get interviews even though she dual applied and all the programs she previously interviewed at do not offer interview again...this is a particularly big problem in a small field.

 

[12jas]

There's not. Read the thread. 260s on boards and graduated from mid-upper tier USMD. Honors on all clinicals except Peds. Great LORs (confirmed by multiple PDs after the fact, and commented on by many interviewers). Strong PS (same sources for feedback). Did plenty of practice interviews with good feedback and had programs that I'd interviewed at courting me for SOAP, so I couldn't have been that bad in person.

It's not asinine to maximize your chances. The data doesn't lie, but at the end of the day you have to know that you put everything you could into the cycle. Any interview you get is an interview you earned, and you shouldn't feel badly for keeping it. I regret to this day the 3 places I didn't interview at last cycle.

Okay you do you. But I hold my assertion its extremely rare. That person had a .06% chance of that happening

The above poster was a US senior from a major academic center MD school with top decile boards and good clinical grades. They were even told by one of the programs they re-encountered in the SOAP that they hadn't ranked them because they thought they were too competitive to land there.

What's asinine is telling people a few more days in front of their webcam isn't worth it. The risk-reward here is massively in favor of hoarding

Wow sure go for it hoard interviews I don't care. But the risk you are referring to is .06% lets not blow this out of proportion.