MD & DO co'21 Residency Panic thread

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Naruhodo said:
I'm with the majority - no, not worth an update if there's nothing they can look at yet. Now if you think you can collect enough data/ get your PI to sign off on a preprint being posted to BioarXiv, then yes you could send an update and include the link, but that also may not be feasible in terms of timing.

When I was applying to med school I had 2 papers I was writing that I was really excited about, but one kept being rejected (I know that doesn't sound good but I swear it's still probably the paper I'm proudest of) and the other wasn't ready to be submitted yet. I printed out the figures for both papers for my second interview, so that I could talk people through them and I really do think it helped them understand our findings and why the research was interesting/ important. If you have some tables/figures that it would be OK to screenshare if you're asked about your research during an interview, that might be one way to use the new project to your advantage even if it's not quite ready to be published.
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That’s a great idea and super helpful. I’ll just plan to bring it up during interviews as a talking point for research. Thanks!
 
Throwaway101 said:
Dang, you must be so awesome.
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You’re clearly not getting my point, but that does explain why you would be socially inept enough to even think about sending an update on a barely-begun research project. My point was that being asked to be first author is not an honor or necessarily a reflection of you.....it’s a way for faculty to pawn things off on their underlings.
 
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underthesun said:
You’re clearly not getting my point, but that does explain why you would be socially inept enough to even think about sending an update on a barely-begun research project. My point was that being asked to be first author is not an honor....it’s a way for faculty to pawn things off on their underlings.
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I get your point and agree not to send an update. But come on, when you say "I'm just sad you think it's a privilege," you have to realize that there are other ways to say things without being a jerk. Maybe you are the one who's a little "socially inept."
 
underthesun said:
You’re clearly not getting my point, but that does explain why you would be socially inept enough to even think about sending an update on a barely-begun research project. My point was that being asked to be first author is not an honor or necessarily a reflection of you.....it’s a way for faculty to pawn things off on their underlings.
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Little chip on your shoulder, eh?
 
sella.turcica said:
Little chip on your shoulder, eh?
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At my institution, faculty snatch up medical students and set them to work on tons of different projects, many of which are doomed to fail. Their attitude is “well, at least some of them will take”. It’s a poor practice that serves only the faculty.
 
underthesun said:
At my institution, faculty snatch up medical students and set them to work on tons of different projects, many of which are doomed to fail. Their attitude is “well, at least some of them will take”. It’s a poor practice that serves only the faculty.
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Ok, then don't work with them. Do you research and choose the faculty or the research you are interested in accordingly. Not sure why you think everyone wants to screw over med students. You're not special.
 
underthesun said:
You’re clearly not getting my point, but that does explain why you would be socially inept enough to even think about sending an update on a barely-begun research project. My point was that being asked to be first author is not an honor or necessarily a reflection of you.....it’s a way for faculty to pawn things off on their underlings.
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I got your point, but you obviously didn’t like my sarcasm. Please continue to show us all why you’re needing to take 20+ interviews to match. Tbh, you should absolutely pick up a few more.

Not that you’re worth the time, but your medical school experience isn’t my experience. This is my own research proposal that requires work from multiple colleges on campus. I found the people I needed to complete it, and they’ve all finally agreed. They decided to collectively tell me today that I will be first author. Couldn’t decide if that was something worth updating programs I care about on. I’ve received solid advice. Move along.
 
Throwaway101 said:
I got your point, but you obviously didn’t like my sarcasm. Please continue to show us all why you’re needing to take 20+ interviews to match. Tbh, you should absolutely pick up a few more.

Not that you’re worth the time, but your medical school experience isn’t my experience. This is my own research proposal that requires work from multiple colleges on campus. I found the people I needed to complete it, and they’ve all finally agreed. They decided to collectively tell me today that I will be first author. Couldn’t decide if that was something worth updating programs I care about on. I’ve received solid advice. Move along.
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Don’t worry, the invites keep coming. If you were nicer I’d think about throwing a couple to people such as yourself
 
underthesun said:
At my institution, faculty snatch up medical students and set them to work on tons of different projects, many of which are doomed to fail. Their attitude is “well, at least some of them will take”. It’s a poor practice that serves only the faculty.
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As well as the applicant? Like it does make a big deal to be first author? Research is always pretty useful on an application. You’re being prettt insufferable. This is literally the hierarchy of how medicine has always worked. But apparently none of us are as smart and powerful as you seem to be, with attendings just fighting over you to give you first authors
 
underthesun said:
Don’t worry, the invites keep coming. If you were nicer I’d think about throwing a couple to people such as yourself
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You’re ridiculous. This is people’s future career you’re just smugly joking about. Cmon now don’t be an ass, cuz it sure seems like you’ll need all the interviews you can get just to match with this attitude towards others
 
Chibucks15 said:
As well as the applicant? Like it does make a big deal to be first author? Research is always pretty useful on an application. You’re being prettt insufferable. This is literally the hierarchy of how medicine has always worked. But apparently none of us are as smart and powerful as you seem to be, with attendings just fighting over you to give you first authors
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SDN is flooded with people who cannot read. They aren’t fighting over anyone. They offer first authors to anyone with a PULSE because more students=more chances for pubs. Obviously helps applicants IF things get published, but there is little guidance, and consequently relatively few pubs per student
 
underthesun said:
SDN is flooded with people who cannot read. They aren’t fighting over anyone. They offer first authors to anyone with a PULSE because more students=more chances for pubs. Obviously helps applicants IF things get published, but there is little guidance, and consequently relatively few pubs.
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Again, read what I said. Isnt first author research useful on apps? So in turn it helps both the applicant and the attending? Even if it doesn’t pan out you get experience in research and a possibility at a first author pub. I fail to see your point and you’re very weirdly passionate about this. And if you ask for guidance every attending I’ve worked with helps...you may just work with jerks
 
Chibucks15 said:
Again, read what I said. Isnt first author research useful on apps? So in turn it helps both the applicant and the attending? Even if it doesn’t pan out you get experience in research and a possibility at a first author pub. I fail to see your point and you’re very weirdly passionate about this. And if you ask for guidance every attending I’ve worked with helps...you may just work with jerks
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My point was that faculty are often irresponsible with how they involve medical students in the research process, and you shouldn’t be flattered by an offer to be first author. That’s all. It may very well be an experience that is unique to me, but I doubt that. Faculty everywhere are desperate for pubs.
 
Chibucks15 said:
You’re ridiculous. This is people’s future career you’re just smugly joking about. Cmon now don’t be an ass, cuz it sure seems like you’ll need all the interviews you can get just to match with this attitude towards others
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SDN is the only place where you can insult a person by referencing their 20+ interviews. Truly a unique environment
 
Chibucks15 said:
Again, read what I said. Isnt first author research useful on apps? So in turn it helps both the applicant and the attending? Even if it doesn’t pan out you get experience in research and a possibility at a first author pub. I fail to see your point and you’re very weirdly passionate about this. And if you ask for guidance every attending I’ve worked with helps...you may just work with jerks
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I think he/she did not mean first author is not useful. But a lot of time research do not produce pubs, so in OP case it is not worth to bother w an update.

I have similar research experience w underthesun...spent years on couple of projects as first author...projects that seriously should only take a month max to submission ...but it sat on their desks for years just for an edit and then I needed to redo everything because of the time frame....meanwhile the faculties had like one pub a week w someone else.
 
Had an interview with a program where I legit thought “I don’t really want to be here”. Kind of weird to think that, but fit really does play a huge role in the rank process especially if you’re going to be somewhere for 5 years. Guess Zoom interviews are useful after all!
 
underthesun said:
SDN is the only place where you can insult a person by referencing their 20+ interviews. Truly a unique environment
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There’s a way to do it and if you had any humility or tact at all you’d know how. That’s what I’m referencing. I have 20 too but there’s a time and a way to talk about it, not being ridiculously cocky and condescending towards people who are concerned if they’ll match (spoiler it’s kinda a big deal). I’ve also dropped some because the stats obviously bear it out that you (shouldn’t) need that many. Rockstars (which you apparently think you are) have matched with far less.

You cannot actually think you handled that the best...
 
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Is it a good sign when all the interviewers reply to your thank you note? I thought I interviewed really well that day. I’ve been on other interviews where they haven’t replied to my thank you note but I didn’t interview as well at these programs. Guess I’m going to rank the program #1 where they replied to my thank you notes?
 
dabo52 said:
Is it a good sign when all the interviewers reply to your thank you note? I thought I interviewed really well that day. I’ve been on other interviews where they haven’t replied to my thank you note but I didn’t interview as well at these programs. Guess I’m going to rank the program #1 where they replied to my thank you notes?
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I wouldn’t put too much stock into it. I’m sure it depends on if they happen to have free time. But if they’re nice notes then that’s reassuring!
 
Chibucks15 said:
There’s a way to do it and if you had any humility or tact at all you’d know how. That’s what I’m referencing. I have 20 too but there’s a time and a way to talk about it, not being ridiculously cocky and condescending towards people who are concerned if they’ll match (spoiler it’s kinda a big deal). I’ve also dropped some because the stats obviously bear it out that you (shouldn’t) need that many. Rockstars (which you apparently think you are) have matched with far less.

You cannot actually think you handled that the best...
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INTERVIEW HOARDER!! INTERVIEW HOARDER! Jk that was my best impression of most ppl around here. Lol quit being the morality police and move on
 
dabo52 said:
Is it a good sign when all the interviewers reply to your thank you note? I thought I interviewed really well that day. I’ve been on other interviews where they haven’t replied to my thank you note but I didn’t interview as well at these programs. Guess I’m going to rank the program #1 where they replied to my thank you notes?
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Again. Rank the programs according to your actual preference, not where you think they liked you best. You gain nothing by trying to game the algorithm by ranking programs higher that you think somehow like you more. Programs can gain by lying about how much they like applicants, but you can do your best by just ranking programs honestly.
 
dabo52 said:
Is it a good sign when all the interviewers reply to your thank you note? I thought I interviewed really well that day. I’ve been on other interviews where they haven’t replied to my thank you note but I didn’t interview as well at these programs. Guess I’m going to rank the program #1 where they replied to my thank you notes?
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Yeah dude/dudette don't overthink it. It's a person to person thing. Some people feel obligated to send thank you notes, some don't. Similarly, some feel obligated or want to send replies to your thank you notes, and some don't. Nothing to really read into
 
dabo52 said:
Is it a good sign when all the interviewers reply to your thank you note? I thought I interviewed really well that day. I’ve been on other interviews where they haven’t replied to my thank you note but I didn’t interview as well at these programs. Guess I’m going to rank the program #1 where they replied to my thank you notes?
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Please only make your rank list based on your preferences. Trying to guess who likes you most is likely to be inaccurate, and will not help you match even if you were somehow perceiving accurately. If they are your true #7, give yourself the chance to match at your 1-6. If you don’t, you can still get a spot with them.
 
underthesun said:
INTERVIEW HOARDER!! INTERVIEW HOARDER! Jk that was my best impression of most ppl around here. Lol quit being the morality police and move on
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I’m not being the morality police? Simply just trying to understand if you actually think you’re in the right? Either you’re trolling pretty hard (which is SUPER mature by the way) or you actually think the way you’re talking to people is an acceptable human form of communication haha best of luck with life cuz damn you’re gonna need it. I added a few more to what the data says I’ll need due to COVID and drop the rest because I’m not a complete gunner like you come off as haha


there is literally no reason why you should actually going on 20 besides to be a complete gunner, and in a year where that could literally make or break someone’s career you’d think a profession based on critical thinking and empathy would see that and realize that. The “I earned them” excuse is ridiculous unless you legit are truly considering ranking every program highly of are in a crazy competitive field. You know this you’re just being obtuse.

I’m leaning towards troll though so I’ll let you rant to the anonymous online forum to have your super mature fun. Glad you’re gonna be in charge of human life soon!
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
Again. Rank the programs according to your actual preference, not where you think they liked you best. You gain nothing by trying to game the algorithm by ranking programs higher that you think somehow like you more. Programs can gain by lying about how much they like applicants, but you can do your best by just ranking programs honestly.
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This. You obviously have no understanding of how the match algorithm works if you’re considering changing your rank order list based on who you think is more likely to rank you higher. Especially based on something as mind-bogglingly trivial as a response to a thank you note that half the time doesn’t get read anyway.
 
Okay, the thread is being derailed by the petty arguing. If it doesn’t stop, I will have to put the people who keep engaging in it on a timeout from the thread.

@Chibucks15 just put him on ignore. @underthesun stop the inflammatory posts.
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
She added that 20 mins ago and you posted 16 mins ago. So it wasn’t.
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They typed it while I was typing then. Or did you not think of that possibility? This is clearly very important, and I feel like we should explore every possible option here. You’re like that 14yo that likes to correct everyone’s grammar.
 
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underthesun said:
You have no business advising anyone on the number of interviews to take. Period. Funny that this comes off more rant-ish than anything I’ve posted, but let’s get back on topic.
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Okay, I literally just said if you keep posting inflammatory posts to other people, you will have a time out from the thread. Saying “let’s get back on topic” after doing so does not negate that you continue to post inflammatory and off topic posts. You can post on the thread again tomorrow.

Anyone else who keeps replying along the same off topic lines will also get a temporary time out.
 
I interviewed at a program that puts you in payroll and benefits June 1 even though orientation doesn’t start for a few weeks after. Just though that was a very considerate way for programs to throw us a bone and help cover the transition period from Med school to residency. More programs should consider doing this.
 
Oo Cipher oO said:
I interviewed at a program that puts you in payroll and benefits June 1 even though orientation doesn’t start for a few weeks after. Just though that was a very considerate way for programs to throw us a bone and help cover the transition period from Med school to residency. More programs should consider doing this.
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That would be amazing. I would honestly rank a program like that higher. Not only because of the direct benefit, but also because it conveys an obvious regard for the residents.
 
Is there any use in sending a letter of interest to a program that waitlisted you for an interview?
 
12jas said:
Is there any use in sending a letter of interest to a program that waitlisted you for an interview?
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That's a great question.
I've sent them LOI before so won't be sending another, but that may be a good idea.
 
sunshinefl said:
That would be amazing. I would honestly rank a program like that higher. Not only because of the direct benefit, but also because it conveys an obvious regard for the residents.
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Pending the last couple of interviews they are absolutely trending as my top choice. It does seem like they go the extra mile to take care of residents. The hospital system also seems to be quite supportive with building a new resident clinic and higher than average salary.
 
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