Collecting unemployment after residency?

[anishannayya]

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DrReese well put...

Most middle & rich class people believe that they pay too much taxes & low income families are trying to steal their valuable tax money and complain that low income people do no need any financial assistance.

I observe some people are saying how people should not take advantage of the system and giving their bs philosophy on how they stand on their feet. But they fail to admit the fact that their piggy bank is getting filled by their parents, and they work to provide for themselves to buy fancy stuff...

People say that they will find a job in some restaurant instead of collecting unemp. or something... come on now would you really do that? Would you really work in a restaurant and make less money than the money that you get from unemployment check. Would you really degrade yourself by going to work in some restaurant to make almost close to nothing. Isnt that the reason most people enter dental field for the money? Plus the OP's free time could be used to find Dentist job which pays really good. So in the end everyone wins. Since the op got his unemployment money and spent their time wisely to find a good dentist job they can start to pay high taxes and the govt. gets their money back...

The funny part is the middle/rich class people are the ones who would be collecting once they loose their manager position until they find another manager position... isnt that the same thing as what the op is trying to do.

There is nothing degrading about working hard to earn money. I have personally never worked in a restaurant, because I have better ways of making money, but I wouldn't mind doing so. You get paid minimum wage + tips, and you get to eat some great food for free. I think that those who look down on others have never been in such a position themselves, and therefore think that they are beyond it. They simply don't realize that if they hadn't been so fortunate, that they to would be in the same position. I don't know how your family treats waiters, but I know everybody on my family treats others with respect. My parents will usually also leave a very high tip, especially if they find out the waiter is attending school. The reason for that is simple: they remember how hard they had to struggle when they were in that position.

Anyways, this thread is just going on...

In before the

 

[peanutb123]

There is nothing degrading about working hard to earn money. I have personally never worked in a restaurant, because I have better ways of making money, but I wouldn't mind doing so. You get paid minimum wage + tips, and you get to eat some great food for free. I think that those who look down on others have never been in such a position themselves, and therefore think that they are beyond it. They simply don't realize that if they hadn't been so fortunate, that they to would be in the same position. I don't know how your family treats waiters, but I know everybody on my family treats others with respect. My parents will usually also leave a very high tip, especially if they find out the waiter is attending school. The reason for that is simple: they remember how hard they had to struggle when they were in that position.

Anyways, this thread is just going on...

In before the

haha, you missed my point... and we all know how hard your parents work enough of that bs... Trust me most of the immigrants that came and who are still coming to America are just doing that. And most of the people who are living here in America are also working hard. dont go running back to your parents & using them as an example on how hard they work... s888 Everyones parents work hard too...

I never said working as a waiter is degrading... But i did say a dentist working as a waiter is degrading to themselves. They have a degree for god sake.

Collecting unemployment you will get at least 3.5 k for the whole month while you are looking for a job AS A DENTIST... remember thats what the op took a loan to study... Working as a waiter you will be working most of the time just to earn that much. Plus not only that but you will always be tired and wont have much time to look for a GOOD deal once you enter the work force as a dentist. Then the government is also loosing money b/c the op might take a 120k job instead of 150k job... less taxes for the government you see where i am going...

BTW... you are stating that I look down on people like that? are you kidding me... Trust me boss a lot of people here including myself have been working even before they are 12 years old just to earn some bread to put it on the table. I believe that sentence is very contradictory... as i recall arent you the one who indirectly meant that people who collect unemployment even if they are able to work should be looked down upon?

its nice to know that you and your philanthropic family leaves tips and very understanding of other people. must be saints or something... This thread isnt about how we should treat waiters or people... its about people bit934g about the ethics involved w/ op claiming unemployment.

Ask you parents this q. if your dad were to be laid off from his nice little manager pos. Wont he collect unemployment until he finds another MANAGER pos. instead of another low level cubical job?

To op there is nothing wrong with you collecting unemployment. And congratulations regarding your marriage 🙂

 

[476515678234896]

so is this the new pre-dent/high school kids forum?

 

[anishannayya]

haha, you missed my point... and we all know how hard your parents work enough of that bs... Trust me most of the immigrants that came and who are still coming to America are just doing that. And most of the people who are living here in America are also working hard. dont go running back to your parents & using them as an example on how hard they work... s888 Everyones parents work hard too...

I never said working as a waiter is degrading... But i did say a dentist working as a waiter is degrading to themselves. They have a degree for god sake.

Collecting unemployment you will get at least 3.5 k for the whole month while you are looking for a job AS A DENTIST... remember thats what the op took a loan to study... Working as a waiter you will be working most of the time just to earn that much. Plus not only that but you will always be tired and wont have much time to look for a GOOD deal once you enter the work force as a dentist. Then the government is also loosing money b/c the op might take a 120k job instead of 150k job... less taxes for the government you see where i am going...

BTW... you are stating that I look down on people like that? are you kidding me... Trust me boss a lot of people here including myself have been working even before they are 12 years old just to earn some bread to put it on the table. I believe that sentence is very contradictory... as i recall arent you the one who indirectly meant that people who collect unemployment even if they are able to work should be looked down upon?

its nice to know that you and your philanthropic family leaves tips and very understanding of other people. must be saints or something... This thread isnt about how we should treat waiters or people... its about people bit934g about the ethics involved w/ op claiming unemployment.

Ask you parents this q. if your dad were to be laid off from his nice little manager pos. Wont he collect unemployment until he finds another MANAGER pos. instead of another low level cubical job?

To op there is nothing wrong with you collecting unemployment. And congratulations regarding your marriage 🙂

So, I took your advice and talked to my father. This was his response:

1. 1st of all, I am not a "nice little manager", my job title is Senior Vice President. Your mother is the "nice little manager" (He went on to say that he probably would still be happy with his job if he had stayed in lower management.... blah, blah, blah.) 🙂
2. I don't even like my job.
3. If I were to get fired, I would probably just go ahead and run my businesses. You see, unlike most Americans I have a fall back plan, and enough money coming in through those that I could easily continue to live my current lifestyle. I am not reliant on my job to provide my financial well being. The only reason why I am even still working is I'm so close to retirement that I might as well continue to go to work till I qualify.
4. I wouldn't be eligible for unemployment because I have several secondary sources of income.

I think that you are missing the point, OP isn't yet a dentist, he is very close, and has all the training, but he doesn't have a license. And yes, I do look down on people who take welfare when they don't really need it.

If you think that I run back to my parents for everything, your just wrong. They are successful, great people even; and that's something I'd love to be, a couple pages that I have taken out of their book, but I'm not copying the entire book. If I was, I would probably be aspiring to become an MD. Oh yeah, and I'd be attending Harvard on a full ride scholarship, not UCI. Asian parents are wonderful, right? 🙄

 

[anishannayya]

so is this the new pre-dent/high school kids forum?

Haha, nice. I think that's our que to let this one die. Obviously OP has received enough responses. Judging by the fact that he hasn't posted a response tells me he is steering clear from this one. As much as my argumentative nature hates to do so, I'm going to hold my breath.

BTW, did you remove your picture so that no one would notice that you have duplicate accounts? Mr. probationary status. 🙂

 

[wwdaffodils]

If you think that I run back to my parents for everything, your just wrong.

I think that's our que to let this one die.

If you're trying to play with the big boys, might as well learn to spell like the big boys.

 

[Pedosmakebank]

I never said working as a waiter is degrading... But i did say a dentist working as a waiter is degrading to themselves. They have a degree for god sake.

Ask you parents this q. if your dad were to be laid off from his nice little manager pos. Wont he collect unemployment until he finds another MANAGER pos. instead of another low level cubical job?

First of all I am offended that you chose to use the Lord's name in vain...

Second of all, no one is above working what you call "low level cubical jobs". You do what it takes to make ends meet and its as simple as that. End of story.

 

[anishannayya]

If you're trying to play with the big boys, might as well learn to spell like the big boys.

Oh, I'm sorry. Did I accidentally make a typo on the Internet? I mean isn't like that never happens. 🙄

Come on, give me a break! At least I attempt to use proper spelling, capitalization, and punctuation. Forgive me if I don't have the time or patience to proof read every damn thing I type.

This is essentially a glorified BBS, not an English class.

 

[anishannayya]

First of all I am offended that you chose to use the Lord's name in vain...

Second of all, no one is above working what you call "low level cubical jobs". You do what it takes to make ends meet and its as simple as that. End of story.

NOOOOO!!! Memories of my Catholic high school are flooding my mind. So many times I begged my parents to send me to the local public high school...

 

[nicz888]

Oh, boy we're going here...

Screw it, I can't resist the temptation.

While it is true that dental students work hard, that doesn't entitle them to receive unemployment checks. I mean, lets face it. Most dental students wouldn't be anywhere near their position if it wasn't for the hard work that their parents did to help put them there. Think about it, what they have done for us is a mere fraction of what we have done. They try to help pay for college, buy you new computer, pay your ADA fees, etc. All you do is pay for your clothes and food. Our hard work involves studying, and sometimes I don't even mind that since the subject can be interesting.

Secondly, the OP is no longer in school, he just has poor planning. He should have anticipated that the system in slow, and had a temporary job lined up. That is what a responsible adult does. He is forward-thinking and can take care of himself. Taking care of one's self doesn't mean turning to Uncle Sam. The government is not your parents. Maybe your the type to ask your parents to bail you out every time you screw up, but the rest of us like to handle our own ****. When things don't go as we planned, we lock in and work ourselves out of our mess. It's not like the OP cannot work because he is currently in D-School, he simply is too lazy to, or believes he is above working an average job.

Lastly, yes, dentists pay higher taxes than most of the population. Yes, sometimes it can feel outrageous when you are dishing out 30% of your income to taxes. But think about it, you are in a position where it doesn't matter that you are paying high taxes. You are already making a comfortable living as a dentist. Would you rather make $250,000 and be taxed at 30%, or make $45,000 and be taxed at 10%? Your call. The idea behind taxation is to provide equal benefits for the nation's constitutions. Those who can provide more are taxed more. I know this means that you cannot afford that Ferrari you always wanted, but put a sock in it. I'm sure that BMW will be just as great. 🙄

And I've told many people this, but:

My parents came to the US with $300. Both managed to attend college and get post graduate educations, and both now make over 6 figure salaries. And they did it with a newborn child. Me 🙂. So don't give me this **** that it's hard for a student to make it by in school. What's hard is not being able to visit any family for 10 years because you couldn't afford a plane ticket and completing your PhD was your top priority.

Get a life and work hard like the rest of the world. Don't expect someone else to pay for your way through life. If you want something YOU are the one that has to work for it.

👍👍👍

 

[tooth hurty]

. You could easily find work if you looked for it. If you need really money, just get a job like every other responsible adult. Don't complain and ask for unemployment.

One more thing: In case your wondering, I make money by fixing computers, building 'em, installing home theater systems (mounting TVs, etc.). It's amazing what people will pay you. Typically I can make ~$70 for just 3-4 hours of work. Best part is that the government doesn't know I make money, so I get to keep all of it. 😀 Um... I mean, I'm an independent contractor.

To me, it's a lot less ethically problematic to collect unemployment when you've been working and then are out of a job, rather than to not pay taxes on the money you're making, as you are doing. Unemployment exists as the safety net for people like the OP, who have been working and paying taxes on what they make, and suddenly find themselves out of a job. I also agree with the posters earlier who stated that the unemployment the OP would collect in this short period would be a tiny fraction of the taxes they would pay over their career.

In your case, just because the government doesn't know you make the money doesn't mean it's okay to not pay taxes on it. You have the obligation to report the income anyway.

I think it's good to start practicing proper ethics even as a predent, because as a dentist you will have many opportunities to "fudge" things and it's the hallmark of a professional to refrain from doing so.

 

[K2 Dental]

DrReese well put...

Most middle & rich class people believe that they pay too much taxes & low income families are trying to steal their valuable tax money and complain that low income people do no need any financial assistance.

I observe some people are saying how people should not take advantage of the system and giving their bs philosophy on how they stand on their feet. But they fail to admit the fact that their piggy bank is getting filled by their parents, and they work to provide for themselves to buy fancy stuff...

People say that they will find a job in some restaurant instead of collecting unemp. or something... come on now would you really do that? Would you really work in a restaurant and make less money than the money that you get from unemployment check. Would you really degrade yourself by going to work in some restaurant to make almost close to nothing. Isnt that the reason most people enter dental field for the money? Plus the OP's free time could be used to find Dentist job which pays really good. So in the end everyone wins. Since the op got his unemployment money and spent their time wisely to find a good dentist job they can start to pay high taxes and the govt. gets their money back...

The funny part is the middle/rich class people are the ones who would be collecting once they loose their manager position until they find another manager position... isnt that the same thing as what the op is trying to do.

Degrade yourself by working? Degrade yourself by being self reliant? Degrade yourself by staying employed by any means possible?

 

[ozzie33]

My parents have instilled in me the values of having a hard work ethic, and I earn everything that I have. I DO NOT live like a leech off my parents.

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So because i lived off my parents during undergrad I'm a leach who does not have a good work ethic? I don't understand the bitterness of people to those whose parents paid for their expenses till they got a job.

 

[476515678234896]

So because i lived off my parents during undergrad I'm a leach who does not have a good work ethic? I don't understand the bitterness of people to those whose parents paid for their expenses till they got a job.

he just graduated from high school, why argue with him?

 

[ToldYouSo]

I don't think it's ethically wrong to collect unemployment right after residency. You're time is much better spent interviewing at different offices/agencies rather then working at a restaurant or other place for minimum wage. If you're able to secure an associateship you otherwise would not have been able to get because of slaving yourself away at a menial job completely unrelated to you're training, it doesn't make much sense. Collect unemployment, use the gap time to find a GOOD dental job and you make good money faster and then pay back much more money to the government then you spent. The opportunity cost of working a minimum wage job is ridiculous I think.