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Columbia seems like a great school but there are a lot of rumors floating around about the lack of clinical training. On their website they boast how they start clinical training in the 2nd year and it's highly emphasized in the 3rd and 4th. It would be great if someone could share some of their personal experiences. What exactly is wrong with their clinical training if anything? What do you feel are the weak points? I'm sure current students (i.e stargirl, and others) could shed the most light here. I also know that the school is constantly undergoing changes. Is this a problem that has been or being corrected?
 

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Hey man,

I think in the past columbia has been one to focus on research and tahts where they got the reputation of being research oriented. However I believe in recent year they are really changing things and are introducing clinical dentistry to the students much earlier. This is according to faculty and students that i've spoken there. HOwever thats not to say that now suddenly columbia is clinical oriented. If you want great clincial training then goto temple or tufts. If you want a well balanced training with a strong biomedical background then come to columbia.


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LOL, I smell another round of ringer-hunting coming on..

Just like a few months ago when everyone was accused of being Gavin. :laugh:

As far as curriculum balanced with biomedical sciences go, most dental schools have that and is not unique to Columbia SDOS. You must have a very good grasp of the biomedical sciences to do well on both parts of the NBDEs in any case, and most dental schools in the U.S. will prepare you pretty well for it.
 

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The thing is, lots of dental schools have their DS1 and DS2 curricula integrated with their med school counterparts-- at these dental schools you are sitting with the med students in the same biomedical science course lectures during your first two years.

My school does this, so does Stony, Harvard, UPenn, UMDNJ, and lots others. It ain't unique to SDOS.
 

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Let's get back on the topic please folks. So Columbia has improved their clinical training?
 

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Originally posted by speter33
Let's get back on the topic please folks. So Columbia has improved their clinical training?

yup definately so... even the current first yr are getting more clinical courses... and a lot of betterment for the school is continously going on here.
 

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I dont think any school has the best of both worlds........excelling in both didactics and clinics. Either you assign more days in the clinic or more days in the classroom.

Clinical training officially begins in the fall of 3rd year, and by this point, i would say 90% of all the preclinical classes have been completed. For us 3rd years, we have an average of 1.5 to 2 full clinical days per week. I dont know how this is compared to other schools, but I think it's safe to say that it's somewhere in the middle of the crowd....maybe slightly below average. However, I guess columbia makes up for the lack of clinical skills by grilling the students with books.

I was talking to one of my professors......he's this old school oral surgeon that graduated in the early 40's or 50's. When compared to NYU, he said that NYU dental has better clinical skills while columbia has more brain power. After 1 year of AEGD or GPR, the average columbia student will excel in all facets over the NYU student. I guess you can look at this in a good way or not......... :p

Stargril is right in that more and more clinical training will be implemented. It wont affect my class, but for the current 2nd and 1st years, this change will most likely affect them.
 

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Doggie, what kind of stuff are you doing in the 1.5 - 2 days of clinics your junior year? Comprehensive care? Perio & operative only? Alginate impressions of your classmates? I think that would help the OP better answer his question and I am curious as well.

I can't wait to start my residency in NYC and see this NYU vs. Columbia graduate clinical skill debate for myself. I believe there are students from both schools that will be residents with me. I have heard the same thing Doggie said about the two schools during my interviews in NYC area residencies.
 

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Seems like all I do here is pre-op lab.

Tue, Thur, Fri for a total of 12 hours. Tue we placed resin modified
glass ionomers and IRM in any four teeth that we preped. Thur we did MOF #3 for composite, MOL #18 for amalgam. Today we did #2, #15, #18, #30 MO...even though they are cake now, we are getting ready for our #3 or #14 MO/DO practical coming up after spring break.

I also know by this time next year we will be working on live patients :clap:
 
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