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Can you guys fill me in on what you know about these programs and which schools have them. Also, what type of careers do people with this educational background most often pursue. Any and all info is greatly appreciated!!!

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I've often wondered about those degree programs myself. THe only thing I could think of in terms of professional value is if you wanted to go into Hospital Administration, where knowing the ins and outs of the practice of medicine and also the ins and outs of legal issues surrounding the establishment of the hospital itself would both be vital.
 
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Prozach said:
I've often wondered about those degree programs myself. THe only thing I could think of in terms of professional value is if you wanted to go into Hospital Administration, where knowing the ins and outs of the practice of medicine and also the ins and outs of legal issues surrounding the establishment of the hospital itself would both be vital.

Unless you intend to practice health law (including med mal) or get into policy/political work, I see very little utility in the MD/JD combo (and I am an attorney). Remember also that even a fairly large law school would only offer a handful of health law related courses. I think we had three at CU.

If you are interested in Admin, the MPH or MHA would be a vastly superior degree. The "flexibility" of a law degree is often overstated... landing decent employment outside of a law firm is difficult, since people will pigeonhole you.
 
If you are interested, however, here is the list of 16 schools that offer this sort of program:

http://services.aamc.org/currdir/section3/degree2.cfm?data=yes&program=mdjd

Most of these are pretty highly-ranked med schools, and the law schools are correspondingly solid. Though CWRU, Florida, and Houston (Baylor) have fairly mediocre law schools, at least compared to their med counterparts.
 
samurai_lincoln said:
If you are interested in Admin, the MPH or MHA would be a vastly superior degree.

Or an MBA in health administration, which is designed specifically for this type of career.
 
yale, nyu, penn (?) have programs for these. make sure you can actually get into the JD part though--it's not as simple as the programs sometimes try to make it sound.
 
samurai_lincoln said:
Unless you intend to pracice health law (including med mal) or get into policy/political work, I see very little utility in the MD/JD combo (and I am an attorney). Remember also that even a fairly large law school would only offer a handful of health law related courses. I think we had three at CU.

If you are interested in Admin, the MPH or MHA would be a vastly superior degree. The "flexibility" of a law degree is often overstated... landing decent employment outside of a law firm is difficult, since people will pigeonhole you.

Yea, I just couldn't really think of any other professional position that would make much use of both an M.D. and a J.D., though health law is a pretty good suggestion :laugh:
 
samurai_lincoln said:
If you are interested, however, here is the list of 16 schools that offer this sort of program:

http://services.aamc.org/currdir/section3/degree2.cfm?data=yes&program=mdjd

Most of these are pretty highly-ranked med schools, and the law schools are correspondingly solid. Though CWRU, Florida, and Houston (Baylor) have fairly mediocre law schools, at least compared to their med counterparts.

Thanks for the link; it will prove to be very useful. :)
 
If you're seriously considering the joint MD/JD, it may be to your advantage to apply to the MD program, matriculate, then get to know the people at the law school. Then, when your application rolls in, they know who you are and will have a leg up (just a leg - not an automatic acceptance). For most people who pursue a joint degree, they won't be doing anything with the non-MD program their first year, so there is no time lost. And you won't have to deal with two completely different application cycles. And you can change your mind.
 
samurai_lincoln said:
If you are interested, however, here is the list of 16 schools that offer this sort of program:

http://services.aamc.org/currdir/section3/degree2.cfm?data=yes&program=mdjd

Most of these are pretty highly-ranked med schools, and the law schools are correspondingly solid. Though CWRU, Florida, and Houston (Baylor) have fairly mediocre law schools, at least compared to their med counterparts.
Baylor does not have a law school. Perhaps, they have a program with Rice or UofH.
 
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IndyZX said:
Baylor does not have a law school. Perhaps, they have a program with Rice or UofH.

Um, if you read the link you would see that the Baylor COM MD/JD is linked with U of H, which is what I wrote above -- HOUSTON, with Baylor in parens. And technically "Baylor" has a law school (in Waco)... just not the Baylor COM, which is now a separate institution.

Please don't try to out-anal-rententive me. It is the one thing I have in life.
 
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Newquagmire said:
yale, nyu, penn (?) have programs for these. make sure you can actually get into the JD part though--it's not as simple as the programs sometimes try to make it sound.

I'm glad someone asked this question. I am interested in the same thing.

If you want to do a JD, make it count. The best resources for this are edmadison (JD Harvard, MD P&S [i think]), Japhy (JD Upenn, MD Utah) and Juddson (JD Columbia, MD Case Western). All are active and current members, and fabulous people with tremendous knowledge who are great resources. I will PM them all and ask them to post on this thread.

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JohnHolmes said:
I'm glad someone asked this question. I am interested in the same thing.

If you want to do a JD, make it count. The best resources for this are edmadison (JD Harvard, MD P&S [i think]), Japhy (JD Upenn, MD Utah) and Juddson (JD Columbia, MD Case Western). All are active and current members, and fabulous people with tremendous knowledge who are great resources. I will PM them all and ask them to post on this thread.

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Wow...grads from good law schools and good med schools.
 
samurai_lincoln said:
Um, if you read the link you would see that the Baylor COM MD/JD is linked with U of H, which is what I wrote above -- HOUSTON, with Baylor in parens. And technically "Baylor" has a law school (in Waco)... just not the Baylor COM, which is now a separate institution.

Please don't try to out-anal-rententive me. It is the one thing I have in life.

Baylor COM is not affiliated with Baylor University, so Baylor COM does not have an affiliated law school other than UT-Houston.

I thought Rice's big thing was being an undergrad-only institution (ie Princeton), I didnt know they had a law school (or business or med school for that matter, though one could argue that Rice's med school is Baylor COM)???
 
Gleevec said:
Baylor COM is not affiliated with Baylor University, so Baylor COM does not have an affiliated law school other than UT-Houston.

I thought Rice's big thing was being an undergrad-only institution (ie Princeton), I didnt know they had a law school (or business or med school for that matter, though one could argue that Rice's med school is Baylor COM)???

Doesn't Rice/Baylor have a combined BS/MD program?
 
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Fermata said:
Doesn't Rice/Baylor have a combined BS/MD program?

Yeah, but Baylor also has combined programs with some other schools as well (Rice, Baylor U, some other border colleges)... I dont really know to be honest, never applied BS/MD... sorry.
 
samurai_lincoln said:
Um, if you read the link you would see that the Baylor COM MD/JD is linked with U of H, which is what I wrote above -- HOUSTON, with Baylor in parens. And technically "Baylor" has a law school (in Waco)... just not the Baylor COM, which is now a separate institution.

Please don't try to out-anal-rententive me. It is the one thing I have in life.
k, the anal-retentive title is all yours, bud.


gleevec, rice does have a graduate b-school, in case you were wondering... that's what the md/mba program is all about. however, its a really new school thats still trying to make a name for itself.
 
JohnHolmes said:
I'm glad someone asked this question. I am interested in the same thing.

If you want to do a JD, make it count. The best resources for this are edmadison (JD Harvard, MD P&S [i think]), Japhy (JD Upenn, MD Utah) and Juddson (JD Columbia, MD Case Western). All are active and current members, and fabulous people with tremendous knowledge who are great resources. I will PM them all and ask them to post on this thread.

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you are going to duke, right? i thought at duke its easy to do a mba/jd/phd/etc, since they apparently get wood at the thought of their med students getting a second degree. at least that's the vibe i got from their website...
 
IndyZX said:
k, the anal-retentive title is all yours, bud.


gleevec, rice does have a graduate b-school, in case you were wondering... that's what the md/mba program is all about. however, its a really new school thats still trying to make a name for itself.

I'm just saying, if you are going to point out the "mistakes" of others, at least have some basis for your assertions, and take the time to actually read what they wrote.
 
Rice does not have a law school, but does have a business school.

I would think long and hard about exactly why you want to go the MD/JD route. Don't get extra degrees just to, you know, have more degrees.
 
samurai_lincoln said:
I'm just saying, if you are going to point out the "mistakes" of others, at least have some basis for your assertions, and take the time to actually read what they wrote.
lesson learned, samuri.

fyi, UofH is not a bad option for law school if you want to work in Houston. regional ties are really important when i comes to getting that first job, unless you happen to be in an ivy league-type law program.
 
Thanks for clearing up Rice's professional school Indy and Holly. I only know undergrads who went to Rice, so I don't have much experience with their business school. Thanks again =)
 
IndyZX said:
you are going to duke, right? i thought at duke its easy to do a mba/jd/phd/etc, since they apparently get wood at the thought of their med students getting a second degree. at least that's the vibe i got from their website...

Yeah, I am going to Duke, and yes they do get hard at the thought of dual degrees. :laugh: They make it pretty easy to do dual degrees, which is a great point about the school.

I am not in law school though, the people I listed, however, have or are completing law school right now. They are much better resources than I.
 
How competitive is it to get into an MD/JD program? I mean if you get into their med school can you ask to be admitted to the JD program also. Do you have to take the LSAT?
 
what the hell is up with the 'men of porno' avatars that you guys have.....did you guys just copy it from the same site or something.....rather weird if you ask me....
 
jh asked me to pop in and offer some advice.

here is a link to aamc's dual degree page. the list gets longer every year as more and more schools begin to offer this joint program.

http://services.aamc.org/currdir/section3/degree2.cfm?data=yes&program=mdjd

first of all, some of the best advice i received during this process was to attend the best med school and the best law school that you possibly can. i know it sounds simplistic, but as others have pointed out, many of the law programs are decent at best. yale, uchicago, duke, penn, and north carolina have excellent law programs. after spending the past year at penn i can tell you that an top rated law education opens many more doors than lower ranked schools. now i should mention that i don't particularly buy into the ranking b.s., but realize that a top 10 law school truly gives its graduates markedly greater (better???, i dont know) opportunities.

second, when checking out schools ask both the med and law school how many people are in the program, if you can contact those students, how the program is run, etc. unlike, a md/phd program there are relatively few students in md/jd programs. here at penn there are several md/jd students in the year ahead of me. having their support and encouragement makes all the difference in the world. you are basically an outsider in both medicine and law, so having someone to bitch and moan to, to support you and to offer advice is invaluable. also, as a previous poster mentioned, check out the health related classwork. penn has 5-6 health law related classes. BUT penn also allows law students to take 4 classes outside the law school. penn has amazing health admin and finance classes at wharton and wonderful bioethics classes at the center for bioethics. definitely look at such options when applying.

third, don't just look at the list of programs and feel limited. my med school thought attending law school was a terrific opportunity and allowed me to take a 3 year leave of absence. i am not even attending law school at the same university. i am very fortunate in this respect. however, when i was applying to med schools i mentioned my career goals in my p.s. and other essays, so it wasn't a complete surprise to the dean's office when i brought up law school. to give you a quick bio, i finished up two years of med school, took step 1 and just recently finished my first year of law school. i will wrap up law school in two years and then finish my clinical years at med school.

so now you are probably wondering what the hell you are going to do with a md/jd. after much discussion with other md/jd's, including bill sage (law professor at columbia), i get the impression that you can do whatever you want. both degrees open so many doors both within the respective fields and outside of them. i want to practice medicine and do health care policy. i can see moving on to administration later in my career. yes, there are many other options such as mph, mpp, mpa, mba. you have to want to learn the law and put up with the bs that is law school. i had a strong interest in the law and i felt that i could best learn about policy through this avenue.

the wonderful thing about this combined degree is there are no set paths. of course, that is one of the biggest drawbacks as well. you get to carve out your own niche. it takes a lot of sacrifice and costs a ridiculous amount of money. but in the end i am thrilled to be able to study in both of these professions. i am happy to entertain any questions, hopefully juddson and edmadison post and share their thoughts as well.

also, for all those lovers of blogs, i found this one recently from a md/jd student. he went to colorado for med school and just finished his first year of law school at michigan.

http://www.cuivienen.org/blog/
 
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additionally, to answer bubba's question, top law schools are damn hard to get in to. the lsat scores of top-10 schools are ridiculous, as are the gpas. lower tier law schools are much easier to gain acceptance. i dont think you could just walk up to the law school and ask them to let you in, but hell it may be worth a shot.

programs like yale, duke, penn, chicago (i honestly think stanford and harvard have md/jd programs) have top rated law and med schools. just because you can get into the med school is no reason to think you can get into the law school. they are looking at much different attributes. i dont mean to sound negative or condescending, but i do want people to make informed decisions.
 
japhy said:
programs like yale, duke, penn, chicago (i honestly think stanford and harvard have md/jd programs) have top rated law and med schools. just because you can get into the med school is no reason to think you can get into the law school. they are looking at much different attributes. i dont mean to sound negative or condescending, but i do want people to make informed decisions. getting into a combined program at one of the aforementioned universities is quite an accomplishment. i for one, did not get into a top med school.

i thought i read somewhere that nyu's acceptance rate was something like 23%?? something that really surprised me when i found out was that law schools don't have interviews; it's really heavily weighted on LSAT score. made me entertain the idea of sitting the LSAT for fun...
 
law schools are total number ****** when it comes to the lsat. but damn, if you are taking the lsat for fun, you have way too much free time on your hands.
 
OP-

I met a MD/JD at a conference last year. He got his MD from whatever school, and did EM for a while. Then, he got his JD at some run-of-the-mill local law school at night. He now does medicine, but gets paid in his "free" time to review the "potential" of personal injury cases for lawyers, and to consult with corporations that have high workers comp claims. He does occupational medicine now. His case reviews are done for $1600/case.

dc
 
Somwhat of a tangent, but here is a rather shocking article on how far some doctors are willing to go in the long-heated battle between doctors and lawyers. Unlike the South Carolina physician (Chris Hawk) below, I think there are some serious ethical concerns in refusing to treat a patient simply b/c he or she happens to be a member of a certain profession. And his proposed ban against non-critical health care for all lawyers goes way beyond the scope of the problem in any case... sounds like kind of a nutjob. In any case, I think the greedy insurance companies, whose profits have skyrocketed, are every bit as much to blame as plaintiff's attorneys.

Anway, just something to consider as to how some colleagues may view someone with a MD/JD attempting to straddle both worlds.

Medical-malpractice battle gets personal

By Laura Parker, USA TODAY

There are 73,084 working lawyers in Texas. Selina Leewright never thought that being married to one would cost her her job.

But that's why Leewright, a nurse, was fired last summer by Good Shepherd Medical Center in the East Texas city of Longview. In dismissing her, hospital officials praised her nursing skills as "fantastic." But they told her that because her husband, Marty, worked at a law firm that does medical-malpractice litigation, the hospital could not continue to employ her. "I was dumbfounded," Leewright says. "They just assumed that my husband does medical malpractice, which he doesn't at all."

Leewright's firing was a measure of how toxic the battle over medical-malpractice lawsuits has become. Hospital administrators and doctors across the nation, furious over what they see as waves of frivolous lawsuits that have driven up malpractice insurance costs, are striking back against lawyers with hardball tactics that, in some cases, are raising ethical questions.

Some doctors are refusing medical treatment to lawyers, their families and their employees except in emergencies, and the doctors are urging the American Medical Association to endorse that view. Professional medical societies are trying to silence their peers by discouraging doctors from testifying as expert witnesses on behalf of plaintiffs. And a New Jersey doctor who supported malpractice legislation that his colleagues opposed was ousted from his hospital post.

While sharing their peers' anger over malpractice lawsuits, some doctors see such tactics ? particularly the refusal of treatment ? as contrary to the Hippocratic oath, in which new doctors acknowledge "special obligations to all my fellow human beings."

But Chris Hawk, a surgeon in Charleston, S.C., says the notion of refusing treatment to malpractice lawyers, their family members and associates not only is justified, it's necessary. "This idea may be repulsive," Hawk says. "It's hardball. But it's ethical."

Hawk, 57, says that a doctor's ethical obligation to treat patients applies only to emergency care. "Physicians are not bound to treat everybody who walks through their door," he says.

Doctors and lawyers long have been at odds over malpractice litigation. But soaring malpractice-insurance premiums, which hit doctors in high-risk specialties such as neurosurgery and obstetrics particularly hard, have fueled the debate. For doctors who blame the increases in their premiums on unwarranted lawsuits and large jury awards, the solution is clear: Overhaul the nation's civil litigation system, starting with limits on what jurors can award in damages.

Malpractice lawyers, led by the Association of Trial Lawyers of America, counter that rising premiums have more to do with the insurance industry than jury awards. They say tighter regulation of the industry is needed.

The lawyers say that stifling malpractice litigation could deny Americans some of their rights to seek redress in court when doctors make mistakes.

The AMA is backing federal legislation, now stalled in the U.S. Senate, that would cap pain-and-suffering awards against obstetricians and emergency room doctors at $250,000. Meanwhile, the battles continue in state legislatures. All but nine states have restricted medical-malpractice lawsuits in recent years. But the AMA contends that only six states have passed "effective" legislation, meaning laws that cap money awards.

This month in Mississippi, where lawmakers have been at odds over the issue for years, the legislature limited medical-malpractice awards for pain and suffering ? as opposed to actual medical bills ? to $500,000. The measure was approved amid acrimony that Percy Watson, a lawyer and legislator from Hattiesburg, says was unlike anything he had seen in his 25 years in the state House.

Watson says that at one point he got a letter from an angry doctor he doesn't know, and that the doctor told Watson he would refuse to treat the lawmaker because of his opposition to limiting malpractice awards against doctors.

"But it's not only with this doctor, it's prevalent in other areas in the state," Watson says. "Some of my colleagues in Hattiesburg who were not involved in (malpractice issues) have been refused the services of doctors just because they are lawyers."

In South Carolina, Hawk says he first urged fellow doctors to refuse non-emergency treatment to lawyers, their families and employees in a speech at the state medical association's convention in March.

The state association declined to endorse his proposal. Patricia Westmoreland, a dermatologist and member of the association's board of trustees, says she supports limits on awards and sympathizes with Hawk's frustration. But she disagrees with his approach.

"It flies in the face of just basic honesty and goodness," she says. "It's prejudiced. As a physician, I take an oath to see people and take care of people, and to refuse to take care of a sick person is just anathema to me."

But Hawk wants the AMA to adopt his view as its policy. That seems unlikely ? AMA leaders have been silent on the issue ? but Hawk plans to argue his case in Chicago this week during the AMA's annual meeting. Hawk says his tactic is "analogous to hitting the lawyers with a 2-by-4. Now we have their attention. Now maybe we can make some progress."

Plaintiffs allegedly blacklisted

The bitter divide between doctors and lawyers has been exposed in a range of ways recently.

Earlier this spring, a Texas radiologist's Web site, DoctorsKnow.Us, set up a national database of patients and their attorneys who have sued for malpractice. The site's stated purpose was to discourage frivolous lawsuits. But patients and their attorneys suggested the site essentially blacklisted some patients from receiving doctors' services.

The site was shut down in March, after news reports detailed difficulties people listed on the site had in getting medical care.

In New Hampshire, Tim Coughlin, president of the New Hampshire Trial Lawyers Association, recalls an angry confrontation last fall with RickMiller, a neurosurgeon from Portsmouth, N.H. Miller told Coughlin, 40, that because Coughlin lobbied against limits on malpractice suits, Miller would refuse him treatment.

"I don't do medical-malpractice work. I'm just a basic urban lawyer," Coughlin says. "He told me he had made a decision. I told him I thought that was uncalled for. He and I disagree on political matters.

"He's known as the best neurosurgeon on the Sea Coast. If I had a brain situation, I would hope he would operate on me regardless of my position" on malpractice suits. "But he's told me he wouldn't."

Miller describes his position as "firing a shot across (the) bow" of the trial lawyers group. "If Tim Coughlin came into the emergency room with some life-threatening emergency, I wouldn't hesitate to treat him. But if he came into my office because he had a herniated disk and wanted me to take care of him as an elective patient, I would decline to see him."

Miller, who says he has not been sued for malpractice, says he pays $84,151 a year for malpractice insurance. He says that after he paid business costs and taxes last year, his take-home pay was $64,000.

"That's less than my malpractice premium," Miller says. "This puts in perspective how desperate the situation is. Attorneys who choose to speak out and try to derail efforts at meaningful tort reform do so at some risk that they will not be able to come to the best neurosurgeon in New Hampshire. They'll have to go elsewhere, the same way that patients will have to go elsewhere if neurosurgery is no longer available on the Sea Coast."

The refusal-to-treat tactic has generated the most controversy in the conflict over medical malpractice. But more disturbing to many lawyers are the efforts to silence doctors from testifying as expert witnesses on behalf of plaintiffs:

In Florida, Tampa General Hospital announced plans in February to revise its employee "code of conduct" by prohibiting staff from testifying on behalf of plaintiffs. (They may testify as witnesses for hospitals and doctors.)

Also in Florida, three doctors who were sued unsuccessfully for malpractice urged the Florida Medical Association to investigate a California doctor's testimony on behalf of the plaintiffs to "prevent the medical profession from being terrorized ... by similar 'experts.' "

John Fullerton, a San Francisco internist, has responded by suing the Tampa doctors for libel. He claims that he was defamed by statements the trio made in urging a review of his testimony. His lawsuit also alleges conspiracy, witness intimidation and violation of state racketeering laws.

In Jersey City, the medical staff at Christ Hospital voted to remove George Ciechanowski as chief of staff, according to news accounts, because he backed malpractice legislation that many of his colleagues opposed.

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Lawyers decry the refusal to treat lawyers and the efforts to silence physicians. The lawyers say doctors want it both ways: They want the legal limits on malpractice lawsuits, yet have no qualms about filing suits themselves.

When Hawk began his campaign against lawsuits, critics noted that he had filed one after his wife was in a car accident during the mid-1980s. Hawk's insurance company refused to pay the claim because he filed it three days after the legal deadline for doing so had expired, so he sued. A jury awarded his wife $525,000. But an appeals court threw out the case. It said Hawk's suit was moot because he had missed the filing deadline.

"I'm not saying somebody shouldn't have the right to sue," Hawk says. "I'm saying we should ... limit the awards, and in some way make the loser pay so that we don't have a lot of frivolous suits. An automobile accident is rarely a frivolous suit."

'I didn't do anything wrong'

In Texas, Leewright is considering whether to sue the Longview hospital for wrongful termination.

Leewright, 30, was hired on May 29, 2003, and assigned to work in the hospital's nursery. Leewright, whose fluent Spanish helped with Spanish-speaking patients, says she often was called to work extra shifts. "There was a nursing shortage. I wanted them to know I was a team player."

Leewright says she thought the job was going well. Then, on July 16, she was called in to meet with her bosses. She says they praised her nursing skills, but then told her that because her husband is a lawyer, she was being terminated.

A hospital spokeswoman, Victoria Ashworth, citing confidentiality, says "all personnel matters are private and not discussed with outside parties."

Leewright filed a complaint with the Texas Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, which did not make a finding on the merits of her case but issued a notice of her right to sue. Documents filed in that case outline the hospital's practices regarding spouses of lawyers.

The hospital, according to one document submitted by its attorney, has an "unwritten practice" not to employ spouses of lawyers who represent plaintiffs in medical malpractice or personal injury lawsuits "because of the perceived likelihood of a conflict of interest."

The profitability of Marty Leewright's law firm provides a financial benefit to his wife, the document says. "That gives her an incentive to pass on confidential information that she obtains as a Good Shepherd employee."

Leewright says the hospital never mentioned its unwritten practice regarding spouses when it interviewed her for the job. She says she did not violate hospital ethics.

"I didn't do anything wrong," she says. "They assume I'm going to be unethical. They assume that I'm kind of sneaky and will try to refer cases. That's absurd."

It took her until November to find work at Longview's only other hospital. Marty Leewright says his wife's experience has been difficult. "All the nursing students know about what's happened to her," he says. "It's just like a cloud that follows her around."
 
wow, that's a really interesting article. thanks for posting it.
 
I don't think things are at their worst yet, but they're getting there. I still believe we'll see an MD try to kill or maim a malpractice attorney sometime in the future. We also need to have some degree of political fallout/medical practice fallout beyond what we've seen before anything changes. There is no merit in wishing ill will on anyone, but it may take a Senator/Representitive/Judge/President to have some catastrophe before anything changes...

Let's keep our fingers crossed.

dc
 
japhy said:
damn, if you are taking the lsat for fun, you have way too much free time on your hands.

that's one way you could put it. i had a class in middle school devoted entirely to logic games; thought it'd be fun to see if i can still remember them.
 
I'm an md/jd in my last year. While med mal is a significant topic of discussion, I am always disturbed by the limited scope the medical community views the law. I really don't care much about tort law. Topics like antitrust, fraud, contracts, and criminal law are far more interesting to me. I study law because I find it extremely interesting and exciting. The topics I learned in law school do apply to medical school. I don't think many med students or residents stop to think about how to structure their practice or give an iota of thought to contracts. Legal and business education in medical school is woeful. Physicians run their own business but do not receive any training for that day. I wouldn?t dare have a regular partnership for a practice, give me an S-corp.


I agree MBA is a worthwhile degree to obtain; my interest was more legal than financial in nature and so law school was a better fit. There are drawbacks. Time and money are the most significant. Thankfully, the program I am in gives full tuition waivers and monthly stipends if you have a TA-ship. Thus, while I still have debt, it is not as much as my wife (a MD student), and I got an extra few years of education.


Having the two degrees have already opened doors for me and given me a competitive advantage. I have had wonderful legal clerkship opportunities. I have been given more deference and unique work during an insurance internship. I almost always have interesting conversations with my attendings during rotations.


As to these doctors who decide not to treat lawyers. I find it a shame. It is extremely myopic. Lawyers also do real estate (plan of buying or selling your home), estate planning, contracts (non-compete clauses, buy-ins, pay), employment law (hiring/firing office staff), fraud (double check that bill to Medicare or insurance co.), and so on. The FTC not too long ago had huge hearings on health care and antitrust. Hope the docs paid attention, since they can do without lawyers? services and insight.
 
JohnHolmes said:
I'm glad someone asked this question. I am interested in the same thing.

If you want to do a JD, make it count. The best resources for this are edmadison (JD Harvard, MD P&S [i think]), Japhy (JD Upenn, MD Utah) and Juddson (JD Columbia, MD Case Western). All are active and current members, and fabulous people with tremendous knowledge who are great resources. I will PM them all and ask them to post on this thread.

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MD Rochester, actually. And I agree with the discussion about admissions to law school. I would argue that getting in to Yale Law school is more difficult than getting into ANY medical school. The class sizes are tiny and there are some many law school applicant. I got rejected with a 99.2% only the LSAT and graduating in the top 3% at a very good college.

You really should think about what you want to do with your joint degree. Public health or administration is probably your best bet with the combination. Your MD will get you the respect of the docs and your JD will help you understand how things work. If you want the combo to malpractice litigation, forgetaboutit, not worth the trouble.

Ed
 
"Rick Miller, the best NEUROSURGEON in New hampshire, says he pays $84,151 a year for malpractice insurance. He says that after he paid business costs and taxes last year, his take-home pay was $64,000."

WOW!! A neurosurgeon gets 60 grand a year??? Thats insane...
 
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That article is stunning and, quite frankly, makes me angry. There is simply no basis, for instance, in preventing employees of a hospital from testifying on behalf of a patient if that employee has probative evidence. That's pure self-interest bordering on spite and malace. And it goes against every reasoned value we have - that society is entitled to every man's evidence.

It seems to me that the med mal debate is being taken up a notch of late. I think the medical profession (into which I am JUST about to enter) is making a mistake by advocating unprincipled reform positions. I will have degrees from both sides of the debate, but I have little doubt who is capable of inflicting more damage to the other side when the **** hits the fan.

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Thank you for posting on this thread! Your posts are pretty insightful!
I will be starting medical school this fall but I still intend to get a JD. I just don't know how I am going to plan for that. Right now, my focus is on medical school but in the back of my mind, I want to study the law. This has nothing to do with just getting degrees. I eventually want to practice law, and I am interested in criminal, disability, mental health, geriatrics, and health discrimination law.

I am a little worried about the LSAT because I have never been great at reading passages. Do you all have any tips on that?
 
Stanford's says a future in 'venture capitalistm' and in biotechnology firms as well as in investing. So yeah.
 
Stanford's says a future in 'venture capitalistm' and in biotechnology firms as well as in investing. So yeah.

Strong necro in thread. Negged.
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Stanford's says a future in 'venture capitalistm' and in biotechnology firms as well as in investing. So yeah.

What does this mean?

Can someone translate?
 
I first didn't realize that this is an old thread and wondered where all these old members came from.
 
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