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I really want to practice pm&r but looks like things are looking more competitive so my question is: Is there a combined FM and PM&R residency program ? I did look at the combined residency site but there was nothing there.

 

[PMR 4 MSK]

I really want to practice pm&r but looks like things are looking more competitive so my question is: Is there a combined FM and PM&R residency program ? I did look at the combined residency site but there was nothing there.

No

 

[pete27]

On the ACGME site I did find a combined IM and PM&R program (unaccredited) that is listed. It's a 5 year Pitt County Memorial Hospital/East Carolina University Program. However, I cannot find any information on this combined program on neither their Dept. of Internal Medicine nor the Dept. of PM&R websites.

Does anyone have any information about this program? Does it still exist? What kind of stats are they looking for in applicants?

Any info would help. Thanks!

 

[chartero]

Note seven combined programs in Pediatrics and PM&R in the ACGME listings, all university-based.

 

[Saladin MD]

I really want to practice pm&r but looks like things are looking more competitive so my question is: Is there a combined FM and PM&R residency program ? I did look at the combined residency site but there was nothing there.

Question: why does it seem like PM&R is more competitive now? I was of the understanding that it's not that competitive?

 

[rehab_sports_dr]

Question: why does it seem like PM&R is more competitive now? I was of the understanding that it's not that competitive?

I think a better question is why hasn't it been more competitive all along

PMR has many of the same characteristics that make Radiology, Derm, Anasthsia, Opthalmology, etc so popular
- decent pay
- controllable lifestyle
- diverse specialty that can be tailored to your interests

I think the reason it has not been more popular historically is ~90% related to name recognition of the field

For example, UMDNJ-NJMS has a mandatory clerkship in PMR, and a very strong affiliated PMR department. Every year, they produce 5-15 medical students going into PMR.

I went to a medical school without a PMR department. We would produce a med student going into PMR once every two years

 

[topwise]

I went to a medical school without a PMR department. We would produce a med student going into PMR once every two years

*Raises hand* Yep 😉

I didn't get the feeling that PM&R has gotten so competitive lately (sadly). I agree with all the positive things you said about the field, but you can actually say a lot of the same things about psychiatry, which is equally noncompetitive.

 

[PMR 4 MSK]

PM&R Universal Residency Application

Name____________

Med School ________________

Undergrad school ________________

Why do you want to go into PM&R:
__ Experience with family member or friend being disabled
__ Attraction to musculoskeletal care
__ Personal Experience with Physical therapy
__ Lifestyle

Did you pass USMLE steps 1 & 2 ? Y/N
Did you graduate or are you graduating from an American Medical School ? Y/N

If answer to previous 2 questions is "yes," stop, we have a place for you. Otherwise continue.

Do you have a pulse? Y/N
Can you survive doing wards from 8am to 5 pm, 5 days a week, with home call for 18 out of 36 months? Y/N
Can you fake an interest in PM&R for 3 years, even if it is not your first choice of specialty? Y/N
Have you ever met, seen or at least heard of a Physiatrist? Y/N

If you can answer 2/4 of the above questions "yes", we have a spot for you. If not, please consider Psychiatry. But we can still probably find a spot for you.

 

[topwise]

PMR 4 MSK: Thanks, that's the funniest thing I've read all week! 🙂

 

[Llenroc]

In San Antonio apparently one month of your Surgery clerkship you can do in PM&R and not surprisingly it was a popular choice with medical students. I'm not necessarily a fan of San Antonio, but this in particular struck me as a bold move. At other schools they let you do stuff like Anesthesia for a Surgery elective, so why not PM&R? Everyone should lobby to get PM&R on the Surgery clerkship list, and if they fail at that they should make it an option for the Neurology month instead.

If that doesn't work, they should generously offer to teach during the musculoskeletal block during med 2, during which they can plug PM&R hard. 👍

Really 75% of people including most attendings it seems like have no clue about PM&R, which explains why people don't go into it.

 

[Ludicolo]

Question: why does it seem like PM&R is more competitive now? I was of the understanding that it's not that competitive?

Relative to other specialties – PM&R is still not that competitive. However, since med school enrollment has increased over the years, and the overall number of residency positions have remained relatively static, landing a choice residency spot has simply become more competitive across the board.

Overall PM&R exposure during the med school years is pitiful. PM&R departments definitely need to get more involved at that level – not only within their own institutions but advertising electives to neighboring institutions that don’t have a rehab department. The UMDNJ-NJMS model is one way of enhancing recognition, with the mandatory rotation and having physiatrists lecture/proctor during anatomy and physical examination courses. The San Antonio solution is creative, I’ll give them that. NYCOM appears to have a good method for early exposure as well, having a physiatrist direct their OMT course. Word on the interview circuit was that about 100 NYCOM seniors (out of a class of about 300) applied to PM&R this year.

Of course, if more and more med students gain direct exposure and first hand knowledge of what makes our field so attractive and great, it will result in PM&R becoming more competitive, so be careful what you wish for students…

 

[Bleurberry]

Does anyone have first-hand experience with a combined PM&R/PEDS program? I'm interested in hearing about Temple, Jeff and University of Colorado. I wonder why Penn doesn't have one yet... with CHOP and all.

 

[drusso]

NYCOM appears to have a good method for early exposure as well, having a physiatrist direct their OMT course. Word on the interview circuit was that about 100 NYCOM seniors (out of a class of about 300) applied to PM&R this year.

Of course, if more and more med students gain direct exposure and first hand knowledge of what makes our field so attractive and great, it will result in PM&R becoming more competitive, so be careful what you wish for students…

I'm not aware of actual data to support it, but my impression is that there are a number of DO schools with physiatrists actively participating in their MSK curriculums so students do get an earlier exposure to the field that way.

 

[sammybear]

Within the Musculoskeletal System Course (taught during the pre-clinical years) are lectures introducing students to PM&R which are taught by physiatrists (both permanent NYCOM faculty and those who work in the community).

PM&R has been a very popular choice for NYCOM for the past 7 or 8 yrs, which has a lot to do with the early exposure to the field (we also have a PM&R club as well). I don't know about 100 4th years applying this year, but on average 15-20 students have matched for the past several years.