comlex + usmle

[Bomikepa]

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any specific schools that attract students wanting to sit for USMLE as well?

 

[cliquesh]

any specific schools that attract students wanting to sit for USMLE as well?

TCOM, I think. Like 85% of class takes the usmle and they have a pass rate around 94%.

Roughly 40% of all DOs take the usmle with an average pass rate of 91% for usmle step 1. (data from 2012).

https://www.natmatch.com/aoairp/stats/2013sklstats.html

That is a link for the aoa match. Look at the last column, under the non-participants. Schools that have a high non-participant rate often have more students that take the usmle. Schools that have a low non- participant rate tend to have fewer students take the usmle, mostly because those schools are affiliated with many aoa residencies, like MSU-com.

 

[Bomikepa]

Great thanks for the info!

Any other schools other than tcom? I really have no chance there....not a Texan.
I didn't know so many took usmle too.

So I'm a but confused about this residency thing....are there any residencies that are MD only?

I know DO"s can apply to MD ones if they have competitive usmle scores.

 

[cliquesh]

Great thanks for the info!

Any other schools other than tcom? I really have no chance there....not a Texan.
I didn't know so many took usmle too.

So I'm a but confused about this residency thing....are there any residencies that are MD only?

I know DO"s can apply to MD ones if they have competitive usmle scores.

There are 2 types of accreditation bodies for residencies.
1) The aoa , which accredits AOA residencies. These are DO only residencies. Most are at community hospitals you've never heard of. A list of all of the DO residencies can be found here http://opportunities.osteopathic.org/

2) The Acgme. When someone says "MD residency" they are referring to Acgme residencies. These residencies are mostly at university hospitals. These residencies are open to US-MDs, foreign MDs, and DOs. There no official "MD only" residencies. However, with that said, some Acgme programs, like NYU's internal medicine program, do not accept DO residents. So even though there are no official MD only residencies, some program directors only interview USMD graduates, making many of the most competitive residencies unoffically MD only.

 

[Bomikepa]

So it's sort of read between the lines sort of thing.

Is there a list of ones that are do friendly and ones that are not?

At the end if you go to a agme one, then you get the exact same residency training as a MD?
Or do they have diff requirements if you are a do?

 

[orleans]

So it's sort of read between the lines sort of thing.

Is there a list of ones that are do friendly and ones that are not?

At the end if you go to a agme one, then you get the exact same residency training as a MD?
Or do they have diff requirements if you are a do?

It's the exact same training and same board certification exam for everyone.

 

[cliquesh]

So it's sort of read between the lines sort of thing.

Is there a list of ones that are do friendly and ones that are not?

At the end if you go to a agme one, then you get the exact same residency training as a MD?
Or do they have diff requirements if you are a do?

No, there is no list. Residencies are dynamic. New people enter the department. New people become program directors. Some will be fine with DOs, some will hate DOs, some will be indifferent. How things are today at a particular program will not be how they are in 4 or 5 years from now. In general, however, most Acgme surgical subspecialities, derm and radiation oncology programs do not interview DOs for residency. Most top tier programs in every field, except for anesthesia and PM&R, do not interview DOs.

If you enter an Acgme residency your training will be exactly the same as your MD resident colleagues at your institution.

 

[pattr]

TCOM, I think. Like 85% of class takes the usmle and they have a pass rate around 94%.

Roughly 40% of all DOs take the usmle with an average pass rate of 91% for usmle step 1. (data from 2012).

https://www.natmatch.com/aoairp/stats/2013sklstats.html

That is a link for the aoa match. Look at the last column, under the non-participants. Schools that have a high non-participant rate often have more students that take the usmle. Schools that have a low non- participant rate tend to have fewer students take the usmle, mostly because those schools are affiliated with many aoa residencies, like MSU-com.

No, there is no list. Residencies are dynamic. New people enter the department. New people become program directors. Some will be fine with DOs, some will hate DOs, some will be indifferent. How things are today at a particular program will not be how they are in 4 or 5 years from now. In general, however, most Acgme surgical subspecialities, derm and radiation oncology programs do not interview DOs for residency. Most top tier programs in every field, except for anesthesia and PM&R, do not interview DOs.

If you enter an Acgme residency your training will be exactly the same as your MD resident colleagues at your institution.

👍 great info, cliquesh. I hadn't seen the NMS link you posted before. That's actually very informative.

 

[Bomikepa]

does the NON-MATCH mean that x amount of 4th years didn't place into ANY residency?

 

[cliquesh]

does the NON-MATCH mean that x amount of 4th years didn't place into ANY residency?

No. It means they failed to match in the AOA match.

These individuals may have matched in the Acgme match, which occurs a few months after the aoa match. The DO match rate in the Acgme match was 75% last year.

Additionally, these individuals may have scrambled into a residency. Scrambling occurs after the match. Some residency spots are open after the match https://www.natmatch.com/aoairp/stats/2013prgstats.html. The last column will give you an idea what is open pre-scramble. People who did not match call up an individual program and interview over the phone/email/ or may meet in person. This process is called the scramble. In the Acgme match, it is more sophisticated and it's called the SOAP.

Considering the Acgme match rate is 75% and the AOA match rate is 78%, roughly 1 in 5 will need to scramble or SOAP.

Nearly all DO graduates (like 99%) find a post graduate training position.

 

[mechanictodr]

Great thanks for the info!

Any other schools other than tcom? I really have no chance there....not a Texan.
I didn't know so many took usmle too.

So I'm a but confused about this residency thing....are there any residencies that are MD only?

I know DO"s can apply to MD ones if they have competitive usmle scores.

You don't need the USMLE to apply to all allopathic residency programs. Some will require it, but many take the COMLEX and are familiar with the test. However, if you want to do residency at a MD site then taking the USMLE is not a terrible idea as long as you do as well or better than the equivalent COMLEX score. The tests are very different in style.

If you are going for something ultra competitive and you're from a DO school then just take the COMLEX because there is no reason for a USMLE score as no matter what you score the chances you'll get an MD spot is less than 1%. It's all about what your goals are and taking the USMLE step 1 and step 2 is an extra 1200 bucks.

 

[Bomikepa]

great info

thanks all