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I know it seems like this question has been asked a numerous amount of times, but here it goes again. I'm just finishing up my first semester of college. I was not able to take any premed classes because of a low math placement and I won't be able to start next semester either. If I take gen chem semesters 1 and 2 over the summer at a local community college, would medical schools look down upon that? Especially since the grade that I earn will not show up on my transcript. I will still be taking organic chemistry as well as the other premed classes at my school and if I do well this should prove I am still capable of doing well in medical school. I am an out of state student so community college is cheaper.
 
I know it seems like this question has been asked a numerous amount of times, but here it goes again. I'm just finishing up my first semester of college. I was not able to take any premed classes because of a low math placement and I won't be able to start next semester either. If I take gen chem semesters 1 and 2 over the summer at a local community college, would medical schools look down upon that? Especially since the grade that I earn will not show up on my transcript. I will still be taking organic chemistry as well as the other premed classes at my school and if I do well this should prove I am still capable of doing well in medical school. I am an out of state student so community college is cheaper.

I'm pretty sure you still have to report grades you took at a community college anyways when you apply to med school. You would just have to ask for two transcripts to be sent, one for your university and one from the college.

The only reason they would "look down" on you taking chem at a community college is that they might worry about an easy A. Get an A in organic chem at the university transfer level and all that doubt is gone 🙂

After all, if you can get an A in organic at university level, I'm pretty sure it would be safe to assume you could get an A in gen chem too.

Edit: Changed the first part since I just realized you aren't planning on transferring haha
 
Yeah, not sure why it wouldn't show up on your transcript. I took several hours as a CC while in undergrad at my university and then had the CC send transcript to the University. The university then showed the "transfer" credits on its transcript as well. I still had to send transcripts from both to AMCAS and TMDSAS.

As far as looking down I think Lucius is right, just show you can handle university level courses and your good. I took allot of pre-reqs at a CC (much cheaper) and it didn't make a difference for me. I think I did gen bio, gen chem, and physics all at CC (some while doing a full load at the university as well). Although not all CC are created equal.
 
Whatever grade you earn at the Community College will be included in your med school application GPA whether you transfer the credit to your main university or not. Some schools prefer not to see CC credits on your transcript, the concern being that the intensity of course material may not be enough to prepare you well. You can prove it WAS enough by doing well on the MCAT. And there're plenty of schools that won't mind that you went to the less-expensive school.
 
I know it seems like this question has been asked a numerous amount of times, but here it goes again. I'm just finishing up my first semester of college. I was not able to take any premed classes because of a low math placement and I won't be able to start next semester either. If I take gen chem semesters 1 and 2 over the summer at a local community college, would medical schools look down upon that? Especially since the grade that I earn will not show up on my transcript. I will still be taking organic chemistry as well as the other premed classes at my school and if I do well this should prove I am still capable of doing well in medical school. I am an out of state student so community college is cheaper.

Try as best as you can to take the med school's requirements (bio, chem, org, phys, etc...) at a 4 year university. Med schools do take into consideration the rigors of your courseload, and community colleges are reknowned for being easier on the student.

Also, you will have to make certain that you get your CC transcript to the med school...any failure to disclose any grade in any class will result in a dismissal of your application.
 
Oh, and one more thing...the level of teaching for gen chem at the local CC where I am is insufficient to prepare you for the physical science section of the mcat. I have a few friends who took gen chem at the CC, my jaw dropped when I saw the types of questions asked on their exam....I could've aced it! But then I would've been handicapped come mcat time.
 
Oh, and one more thing...the level of teaching for gen chem at the local CC where I am is insufficient to prepare you for the physical science section of the mcat. I have a few friends who took gen chem at the CC, my jaw dropped when I saw the types of questions asked on their exam....I could've aced it! But then I would've been handicapped come mcat time.
It depends on the quality of the community college; not all community colleges are the same. Level of teaching in the CC where I started was more than adequate. We even used calculus in general chemistry.
 
I know it seems like this question has been asked a numerous amount of times, but here it goes again. I'm just finishing up my first semester of college. I was not able to take any premed classes because of a low math placement and I won't be able to start next semester either. If I take gen chem semesters 1 and 2 over the summer at a local community college, would medical schools look down upon that? Especially since the grade that I earn will not show up on my transcript. I will still be taking organic chemistry as well as the other premed classes at my school and if I do well this should prove I am still capable of doing well in medical school. I am an out of state student so community college is cheaper.

Since you are required to report every course that you take post high school, why would your CC General Chemistry not show up on your transcripts? Your university is not going to allow you to enroll in Organic Chemistry without taking the General Chemistry pre-rec either. Most, if not all medical schools require a year of General Chemistry with lab and thus, you would not be able to apply without furnishing a transcript from the community college.

I would also advise that you not take General Chemistry (CC or not) over a summer if your math placement was low. You might find that your grade in General Chemistry will be low as a result of poor math skills.
 
Oh, and one more thing...the level of teaching for gen chem at the local CC where I am is insufficient to prepare you for the physical science section of the mcat. I have a few friends who took gen chem at the CC, my jaw dropped when I saw the types of questions asked on their exam....I could've aced it! But then I would've been handicapped come mcat time.

That depends on the CC, and more specifically, the instructor teaching the course. Some of the CC classes I took were even harder than anything I've ever taken at a four-year university - and I hear they also take ACS final exams in gen chem and organic chem at the CC I went to.
 
Since you are required to report every course that you take post high school, why would your CC General Chemistry not show up on your transcripts? Your university is not going to allow you to enroll in Organic Chemistry without taking the General Chemistry pre-rec either. Most, if not all medical schools require a year of General Chemistry with lab and thus, you would not be able to apply without furnishing a transcript from the community college.

I would also advise that you not take General Chemistry (CC or not) over a summer if your math placement was low. You might find that your grade in General Chemistry will be low as a result of poor math skills.

I agree.
 
Pretty much all of this has been said, but to sum it up.

-It will show up/ you are required to report all grades.

-Most schools do chem in sequence, including cc's. Therefor you want to take a full sequence wherever you take them so they jive.

-It looks kind of funny, in my opinion, to go to a cc to take pre-reqs when you are already at a four year. It is one thing to start out at a cc and do them, and another to go back to one. Whether it is true or not, med schools might see that as you trying to take the easy road.

-As the above poster said, it is in your best interest to take your math classes before chem. A lot of schools, including my own, say to be at the calc level before starting. You will probably not be using much of that level of math, still, it is good to be prepared.

Here is a link I found/find helpful, since I did the cc thing as

well.http://www.washington.edu/uaa/gateway/advising/prehealth/transfers.php
 
That depends on the CC, and more specifically, the instructor teaching the course. Some of the CC classes I took were even harder than anything I've ever taken at a four-year university - and I hear they also take ACS final exams in gen chem and organic chem at the CC I went to.

I agree. It is very subjective. I have had PhD professors as well as master degree holders who are only interested in finishing their PhD (remind you of a TA at a four year?). Plus, the class size is much smaller which can either help or hurt you, depending of if there is a curve or not. I have had people in some of the cc classes I took who were from four year schools fall way behind because they thought it would be a cake walk.
 
I suggest taking lighter classes during the summer because the semester is accelerated. Also, have you thought about going to other schools in different locations during the summer? I took summer college classes at Harvard and Berkeley (both are in places much cooler than Texas during the summer), and I had a blast because I was in a new place with new people! Maybe do a summer abroad to get your foreign language credit. Save your hard sciences for the school year if you can. In addition, make sure you get good teachers for any class you take. The teacher makes all the difference.
 
Bleh. The truth is you need to take and do what gets you to your goals. Every application is different and should be, you need to make the choices that get you on your road to med school. Be prepared to explain your choices and show through your university grades that it wasn't for easier classes, but there are no formulas. The whole process is such a crap shoot anyway, do what is right for you, and work harder than you have for anything and these kinds of questions will become nearly moot.
 
I know it seems like this question has been asked a numerous amount of times, but here it goes again. I'm just finishing up my first semester of college. I was not able to take any premed classes because of a low math placement and I won't be able to start next semester either. If I take gen chem semesters 1 and 2 over the summer at a local community college, would medical schools look down upon that? Especially since the grade that I earn will not show up on my transcript. I will still be taking organic chemistry as well as the other premed classes at my school and if I do well this should prove I am still capable of doing well in medical school. I am an out of state student so community college is cheaper.



i took genchem at cc, transferred into a top 20 school, and I'm doing fine in orgo. Just show that you can hack it in university level coursework and no one will say ****.
 
Man, I shoulda went to cc...both my genchem and ochem were rough 🙄

Let me ask this: what do you think looks better on your transcript (1) a 4.0 in sGPA with all classes at a cc, or (2) a 3.4 sGPA with all classes at a 4 year?

I ask this because I know for certain that I would've had nothing but A's at the cc down the street from my apartment.
 
Man, I shoulda went to cc...both my genchem and ochem were rough 🙄

Let me ask this: what do you think looks better on your transcript (1) a 4.0 in sGPA with all classes at a cc, or (2) a 3.4 sGPA with all classes at a 4 year?

I ask this because I know for certain that I would've had nothing but A's at the cc down the street from my apartment.
4.0 at CC + good MCAT score.
 
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-It looks kind of funny, in my opinion, to go to a cc to take pre-reqs when you are already at a four year. It is one thing to start out at a cc and do them, and another to go back to one. Whether it is true or not, med schools might see that as you trying to take the easy road.

With so many budget cuts its becoming very difficult to get which classes you need at the Universities, so lots of people are turning to a CC to get their pre-reqs done, since these are lower division courses.
 
With so many budget cuts its becoming very difficult to get which classes you need at the Universities, so lots of people are turning to a CC to get their pre-reqs done, since these are lower division courses.

Good luck. CC's have record enrollment, and they are part of the state system too. They are getting hit hard, so I don't think they are much of an oasis.
 
-It looks worse, especially if you load up on a lot of science classes at a CC. It'll show up really clearly on your application.
-Theres no way for screeners/interviewers to know whether your CC class was abnormally hard/competitive. They'll just see it's from a CC and assume the rest.
 
4.0 at CC + good MCAT score.

Somebody say it isn't so! I could've easily had a 4.0 and I probably would've pre-matched by now! Where is the smily for kicking yourself?

:bang: (close enough)
 
Somebody say it isn't so! I could've easily had a 4.0 and I probably would've pre-matched by now! Where is the smily for kicking yourself?

:bang: (close enough)

If you have never taken a class at a cc how can you be sure that you would get a 4.0? Like I said above, I have seen people go into cc classes with the same attitude and come out with a B-.
 
-It looks worse, especially if you load up on a lot of science classes at a CC. It'll show up really clearly on your application.
-Theres no way for screeners/interviewers to know whether your CC class was abnormally hard/competitive. They'll just see it's from a CC and assume the rest.

It looks bad if you go to CC for hard classes while you are attending a four-year institution. If you start at a community college and prove yourself worthy at a four-year institution as well, it will not be a big deal. No one ever questioned the credibility of my CC credits during the interview.
 
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If you have never taken a class at a cc how can you be sure that you would get a 4.0? Like I said above, I have seen people go into cc classes with the same attitude and come out with a B-.

Because I have a large group of friends that are doing the cc thing....also because a good pre-med friend of mine failed ochem I twice at our university, then she went to a cc and got something like a 96 average for the class. I can say with a 100% sense of confidence, after seeing the exams my friends were taking, that I would've averaged above a 95 fairly easily. Stating again in another clear manner, thats 0% of not getting an A. With a % error of 0.00%.
 
I clearly remember one question asked on one of their exams: "which of the following is not within the nucleus of an atom....A. An electron, B. a proton, C. a neutron, D. all are in the nucleus"

I am only speaking for the cc down the street from me....I'm sure there are some tough ones out there, so if you read this and you go to a cc then I am NOT assuming an air of superiority...I wish I had gone now!
 
I clearly remember one question asked on one of their exams: "which of the following is not within the nucleus of an atom....A. An electron, B. a proton, C. a neutron, D. all are in the nucleus"

I am only speaking for the cc down the street from me....I'm sure there are some tough ones out there, so if you read this and you go to a cc then I am NOT assuming an air of superiority...I wish I had gone now!

It's true that, like all schools, some cc's are better than others. Perhaps your local one sucks. But I know for a fact that the cc I went to had to match their classes with the ones at the four years schools of the state (UW and WSU). In other words it is the exact same material. The difference lies in that there is often no curve. I have seen countless treads where people say, "I got a 56% on my orgo test, but it became a B because of the curve." No such luck at the cc sometimes.

Further, the professor knows when you are not there because the class is so much smaller.

Another thing, I have actually had professors say that they grade extra hard because they feel they need to prepare people for the four year school.

So you may be 100% certain you would get an A, and that may be true, but let me assure others that that is not always the case and I have seen this backfire many times (especially during summer quarter when students would come from the four year for the "easy A").
 
I think I should clarify this. I am already attending a university but I want to take gen chem over the summer at a community college as opposed to taking it at my school which would be expensive because I am out of state. Also by the time I would take gen chem this summer I will be in calc. My school will accept the credit from the community college, but the grade that I earned will not show up on my transcript.
 
I think I should clarify this. I am already attending a university but I want to take gen chem over the summer at a community college as opposed to taking it at my school which would be expensive because I am out of state. Also by the time I would take gen chem this summer I will be in calc. My school will accept the credit from the community college, but the grade that I earned will not show up on my transcript.

I am pretty sure you are mistaken. The grade will show up. Either that or it will be as if you never took it, in which case you are presented with another problem.
 
No I'm absolutely positive, my school will not show the grade I earned if I took it at a community college.
 
That doesn't make sense. Are you suggesting you get credit for taking the class and it doesn't affect your GPA? No matter what school it is, if you're getting credit for a class (a pre-req especially) you're going to have a recorded grade.

It does make sense, it is similar to the way ap classes are put on your transcript. If you ap out of a class you will still get credit, but it doesn't affect your gpa.
 
No I'm absolutely positive, my school will not show the grade I earned if I took it at a community college.
It might not show up on your primary undergraduate transcript but it gets reported as part of your application when you apply to med school. So it also contributes to your BCPM grade
 
Med schools need a grade to evaluate your pre-req. I have never heard of anything like this before. Why, first of all, would your four year school encourage you to take a class at a cc when they could get the money. Then, why would your four year school go a step further and say you get a free-bee. It just does no make sense.

The bottom line is; if you want to put it down as one of your pre-reqs, you need a letter grade. I'm not trying to be an a**, but that is just the way it is.
 
Yeah, its going to show up on your total application GPA regardless. If you dont get a grade for the course (pass/fail) your going to end up retaking it to complete your app anyway.

All of this is so subjective; how can you quantify "its going to look bad"? How bad? Bad enough to affect your acceptances? Bad enough to warrant a question in an interview? Bad enough to make an adcom say "hmm"? What exactly? Nearly all of my pre-reqs are from a CC (while I carried a 4.0 at my university through organic chem). I have two pre-match acceptances. Its about what you make of it, do what you have to do to get through and work hard. Anything more than that is assumptions and opinions from other pre-meds. Check with the med school you are applying to and make sure they are accepted. Other than that, work hard and dont think your grades are the only (or even the largest) part of your application. JMHO
 
I finished 1/3 of my prereqs through several different CC's before transferring into a 4 year. The issue never came up during an interview. The key is once you transfer into a four year, take all of your classes at the four year. It only raises a red flag if they see you made it into XX University in spring of 2010 BUT then took Ochem, Biochem, etc. at a local CC in the summer of 2010. I was told by an interviewer that this does happen and in his opinion is what would raise an eyebrow unless you have an excuse.
 
It depends on the quality of the community college; not all community colleges are the same. Level of teaching in the CC where I started was more than adequate. We even used calculus in general chemistry.

Agreed, I used calc in my gen chem class at CC as well, so people shouldnt bash all CCs.
 
I finished 1/3 of my prereqs through several different CC's before transferring into a 4 year. The issue never came up during an interview. The key is once you transfer into a four year, take all of your classes at the four year. It only raises a red flag if they see you made it into XX University in spring of 2010 BUT then took Ochem, Biochem, etc. at a local CC in the summer of 2010. I was told by an interviewer that this does happen and in his opinion is what would raise an eyebrow unless you have an excuse.

Exactly
 
Oh, and one more thing...the level of teaching for gen chem at the local CC where I am is insufficient to prepare you for the physical science section of the mcat. I have a few friends who took gen chem at the CC, my jaw dropped when I saw the types of questions asked on their exam....I could've aced it! But then I would've been handicapped come mcat time.

Definitely depends on the CC. I re-took some classes at a CC because I had a tremendous gap in my education. It was much harder to earn A's in chemistry (though not biology) at the CC I chose. In fact, I learned chem and organic chem so well that I started teaching workshops and tutoring students from schools like Columbia and NYU. It depends on the CC, which is why med schools are wary of not only CC's, but schools in general. Hence the MCAT's role as the "great equalizer."
 
I finished 1/3 of my prereqs through several different CC's before transferring into a 4 year. The issue never came up during an interview. The key is once you transfer into a four year, take all of your classes at the four year. It only raises a red flag if they see you made it into XX University in spring of 2010 BUT then took Ochem, Biochem, etc. at a local CC in the summer of 2010. I was told by an interviewer that this does happen and in his opinion is what would raise an eyebrow unless you have an excuse.

I agree, but it does still leave room if you have a good excuse. I took allot of pre-reqs at my CC (associates degree) before transferring but then went back and took physics there while at my University. However I took physics there while taking a full load at my University and during the same semesters I was taking O chem, biomechanics, and physiology at the University (including my research). As long as you can show you can handle a big load and still pull in the grades I think your fine. I never once got asked anything about CC in an interview. In fact, most interviewers didn't even have my full application.

My CC however was one of the largest with over 40,000 annual enrollment and all sports teams including football, soccer, golf, etc. Again I would say not all CC's are created equal. I say just make the right decisions for your own personal path to med school. Make the best decisions you can (don't go CC for easy courses) and you should be fine.
 
Definitely depends on the CC. I re-took some classes at a CC because I had a tremendous gap in my education. It was much harder to earn A's in chemistry (though not biology) at the CC I chose. In fact, I learned chem and organic chem so well that I started teaching workshops and tutoring students from schools like Columbia and NYU. It depends on the CC, which is why med schools are wary of not only CC's, but schools in general. Hence the MCAT's role as the "great equalizer."

Ah, yes....the gatekeeper.
 
I agree, but it does still leave room if you have a good excuse. I took allot of pre-reqs at my CC (associates degree) before transferring but then went back and took physics there while at my University. However I took physics there while taking a full load at my University and during the same semesters I was taking O chem, biomechanics, and physiology at the University (including my research). As long as you can show you can handle a big load and still pull in the grades I think your fine. I never once got asked anything about CC in an interview. In fact, most interviewers didn't even have my full application.

My CC however was one of the largest with over 40,000 annual enrollment and all sports teams including football, soccer, golf, etc. Again I would say not all CC's are created equal. I say just make the right decisions for your own personal path to med school. Make the best decisions you can (don't go CC for easy courses) and you should be fine.
WOW! Your CC is huge. What community college are you talking about?
 
WOW! Your CC is huge. What community college are you talking about?

I think the biggest one in the country is in the Miami area. There are a couple fairly large ones up here in Washington as well. I would also think that California has some big ones.
 
TCC in DFW just opened their 5th campus in downtown fort worth....not sure of the enrollment numbers.
 
TCC in DFW just opened their 5th campus in downtown fort worth....not sure of the enrollment numbers.

Yea, I would imagine that Texas has some big ones. I tried to find a list, but no such luck.

Edit: Off of the top of my head I can think of I can think of 8 in the greater Seattle area. There are probably a couple I am not thinking of though.
 
What has me scratching my head is the number of University of Phoenix and Kaplan College buildings that have been going up in the area. I wonder how that would look on your amcas :scared:
 
What has me scratching my head is the number of University of Phoenix and Kaplan College buildings that have been going up in the area. I wonder how that would look on your amcas :scared:

I am not sure if they are accredited or not. They seem like a racket to me. University of Phoenix is now the #5 university, in terms of # of students, in the world. Yikes.
 
I can't wait to read about the first pre-med who applies to med school after graduating U of P !!! Online classes are the future!!
 
Somebody say it isn't so! I could've easily had a 4.0 and I probably would've pre-matched by now! Where is the smily for kicking yourself?

:bang: (close enough)


I don't know of which CC you are thinking of or to which you are referring, but THE TRUTH IS IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE SCHOOLS--PERIOD.

If those level 100 courses transfer to four years and they are taught by a Phd in the particular discipline (as opposed to paying out the whazoo at a four-year only to have a teacher's assistant give most of the lectures and run the labs, etc), what is the big deal?

You have to know the curriculum, professors, etc and what transfers and why. Basically it behooves a good CC to have those level courses meet the requirements of four-years. There are some exceptions of course. But some profs can be equally as tough and comprehensive as they are when they drive to another city and teach at a four-year or a university.


I'm sick of the whole darn debate.

And if the whole thing is predominantly a "crap shoot," wouldn't that make a whole lost of effort for naught, other than of course the actual learning itself?

People will just believe whatever they want. . .regardless of any variant views and perspectives.

The bias is quite humorous though. . .and in my field I've worked long and hard enough to see how quickly some KIA pre-med and even a few KIA, med. students got their idiotic biases kicked the heck out of them come PGY1. Thankfully, at least for me. . .and come to think of it the many patients as well, most first years and up were humble enough--though there are those rare folks that just end up irking everyone--including other residents, fellows, attendings, whoever.


I'd like to know what folks think the MCAT was invented for. Yes, it does more, especially nowadays, to balance out supposed differences in coursework between schools--but mostly that is exactly why it was made. Said four-year to said university to another said university to community college level 100 coursework--all the differences being said, the breaker would be the MCAT. Doesn't mean you can get in with sub-par coursework. But one university's bio 100 w/ lab could be remarkedly less than in contrast with certain CC and the PhD's that reside over the science departments and courses.


And as another poster stated, each application is looked at individually. Yes numbers do matter--but the two key are the coursework and the MCATs--and then its a lot indivdual. If you make it past the numbers game, you sure as shooting better have more to go on--b/c it's only a numbers game to a point--hence the written work, volunteering, diversity in life-work balance, the interview process, etc.
 
I can't wait to read about the first pre-med who applies to med school after graduating U of P !!! Online classes are the future!!


BTW, you should clarify. . . U of P has long been held by the University of Pennsylvania--you know. . .the one that is considered IVY League.

Also, it is true that online classes to a certain degree are the wave of the future--which is why every stinking school out there here has accredited degree programs by online/distance or they have them in the works.

Guess what? Schools are BIG BUSINESS. Have you ever seen a couple semesters go by and tuition fees are held? I haven't in my lifetime. They ALWAYS go up and up and up. . .

And this is why people are looking into other doable alternatives--to work with their work schedules, etc.

Ultimately the true test of learning says more about the individual learner. The profs touch upon material--basically outline the main areas of focus--and then all the rest is up to the individual learner--REGARDLESS OF WHERE HE OR SHE GOES TO SCHOOL.
 
I can't wait to read about the first pre-med who applies to med school after graduating U of P !!! Online classes are the future!!


BTW, you should clarify. . . U of P has long been held by the University of Pennsylvania--you know. . .the one that is considered IVY League.

Also, it is true that online classes to a certain degree are the wave of the future--which is why every stinking school out there here has accredited degree programs by online/distance or they have them in the works.

Guess what? Schools are BIG BUSINESS. Have you ever seen a couple semesters go by and tuition fees are held? I haven't in my lifetime. They ALWAYS go up and up and up. . .

And this is why people are looking into other doable alternatives--to work with their work schedules, etc.

Ultimately the true test of learning says more about the individual learner. The profs touch upon material--basically outline the main areas of focus--and then all the rest is up to the individual learner--REGARDLESS OF WHERE HE OR SHE GOES TO SCHOOL.
 
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