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6%-7% interest isn’t the problem. Loan sharks, I will admit I am not totally familiar with their interest rates, but I understand they are much higher with some implied penalties that can be quite painful.

Given that an 18 to twenty I something year old with no credit history, no job is by definition a high risk loan, 6%-7% isn’t bad.

On one hand, a generation has been brainwashed that it is extremely important to go to college, and any degree at whatever cost will pay for itself. This has been supplied by easy loans to students by the government, and colleges and universities have happily taken the money. They have done things to make college more appealing with increased costs because the consumer doesn’t feel the costs because of the easy loans. Most applicants probably couldn’t tell you their expected rates of return, the total cost of their loans, or that most schools graduate about fifty ish percent in 6 years. Or that there basically is no rate of return for going to a private school.

On the other hand, we as a society need people to fulfill their contracted obligations. Even dumb decisions. There are a host of people that prey on the desperate, and the financially illiterate. Credit cards, sub-prime loans, payday loans. 18 y/o can make a lot of poor decisions. I think this student loan Crisis is a reflection of poor parenting as much as anything else.

I am in favor of the government getting out of the student loan business all together. I think student loan forgiveness without reform is wrong. People who have made poor decisions don‘t have zero responsibility. In many cases they have been deceived or manipulated.

This isn’t a simple problem. There are no good simple solutions. Giving away 1.7 trillion dollars, largely to people with degrees seems to not be the right solution to me while continuing to loan them. This will simply encourage people to borrow more foolishly.
Very well said. I can't like this enough.
I can't personally speak to loan sharks but I would like to believe they function similar to the ones on the movie Rounders. If you have not seen it I highly recommend.

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I think most student loans will be "cancelled" by default when most of the borrowers default on them (pun unintended). Hopefully that will lead to the collapse of the college bubble, correct the widespread delusion that college is the end all, be all, and hopefully someday lead to college becoming more affordable.
 
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But yeah, subsidize us further.

All due respect, exactly no one is suprised that the majority of med students come from high income households. I'm not sure what that story was supposed to suggest. The student loan forgiveness discussion nationally (and even on this thread, save one or two posters) has been about student loan cancellation that would benefit low-income earners. By definition, this is not doctors.
 
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I sympathize, but I have to trot out my old chestnut of asking you to show me the gun that wad placed to your temple that forced you to chose this career.

Once you got out of residency, you were making 2x what any of my PhD colleagues were making.

For UG, did you go to a CC? And a state school for UG? Did have a hefty UG debt load? Did you, per chance, turn down a state med school for a private one?
I attended state UG school where I commuted all four years and am currently attending state medical school and am still looking at 300k in debt (before residency and interest accrue). I could not have picked a cheaper option and am still going to get bodied due to not being able to rely on mommy and daddy's $.

But I understand I decided to take on this debt, and ROI will allow me to pay off my loans with no problem. Just pointing out that student debt nowadays is wild, even my state medical school tuition is 46k before needing grad + loans to live.
 
I would only be on board with 2 different scenarios without debating all personal responsibility/moral dilemma/cost debate.

#1 - Nope, you signed on the dotted line, you used the resource, you gotta pay for it. I don't care about any argument, reasoning, justification and move on.

#2 - Forgive everyone's student debt across the board not matter income, wealth, job. But codify legislation that the gov will never get involved again in student loans. Let private banks/businesses/universities be the only lenders and let the rates be what the market dictates just like any other loans. These student unsecured loans are just toxic. No more whining from politicians or poors b/c no one will give them a loan. No more whining that you can not get an education b/c you can't afford it. No more whining that life is not fair, and higher education is only for the well to do families.

But DO NOT forgive loans just to keep the same structure where the next generation will make the same mistake whining/lamenting why their history degree got them a barista career.
 
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I attended state UG school where I commuted all four years and am currently attending state medical school and am still looking at 300k in debt (before residency and interest accrue). I could not have picked a cheaper option and am still going to get bodied due to not being able to rely on mommy and daddy's $.

But I understand I decided to take on this debt, and ROI will allow me to pay off my loans with no problem. Just pointing out that student debt nowadays is wild, even my state medical school tuition is 46k before needing grad + loans to live.
Student debt is wild b/c the gov hands out $$$ like candy to whoever wants to step foot in college. Colleges sees this money bags gov handing out free money so they are happy to raise tuition. Students are happy to take on student debt b/c all they care about is today and what they see is 4 yrs of partying paid by uncle sam expecting that their history degree will get then a good job. Viscous cycle that has brought us here today.
 
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I would only be on board with 2 different scenarios without debating all personal responsibility/moral dilemma/cost debate.

#1 - Nope, you signed on the dotted line, you used the resource, you gotta pay for it. I don't care about any argument, reasoning, justification and move on.

#2 - Forgive everyone's student debt across the board not matter income, wealth, job. But codify legislation that the gov will never get involved again in student loans. Let private banks/businesses/universities be the only lenders and let the rates be what the market dictates just like any other loans. These student unsecured loans are just toxic. No more whining from politicians or poors b/c no one will give them a loan. No more whining that you can not get an education b/c you can't afford it. No more whining that life is not fair, and higher education is only for the well to do families.

But DO NOT forgive loans just to keep the same structure where the next generation will make the same mistake whining/lamenting why their history degree got them a barista career.

The problem with #2 and that is billions and billions of dollars that you would essentially be given to the taxpayers. No way I would ever support that, even with an overhaul.
 
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I attended state UG school where I commuted all four years and am currently attending state medical school and am still looking at 300k in debt (before residency and interest accrue). I could not have picked a cheaper option and am still going to get bodied due to not being able to rely on mommy and daddy's $.

But I understand I decided to take on this debt, and ROI will allow me to pay off my loans with no problem. Just pointing out that student debt nowadays is wild, even my state medical school tuition is 46k before needing grad + loans to live.

But on the good Side you will make more money than 90% of the population. That's crazy though that it costs 46k per year! I think when I went to med school it cost maybe 25 and I lived at home so no loans needed. But again you'll make more than enough money to pay it all back. The financial aspect is scary during med school/residency but does get a lot better.
 
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The problem with #2 and that is billions and billions of dollars that you would essentially be given to the taxpayers. No way I would ever support that, even with an overhaul.

I know but I would stop hearing how poor Jane who was only 18 did not understand that she could not make 200k studying music and now has no chance at the American dream.

Also, I get to stop hearing AOC crying about how helpless these adults are who can’t pay for rent bc of student loans needing to work 2 jobs and that is why unemployment is so low.

Well worth the price and unintended consequence that not everyone deserves a degree and a job making 200k/yr.
 
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I know but I would stop hearing how poor Jane who was only 18 did not understand that she could not make 200k studying music and now has no chance at the American dream.

Also, I get to stop hearing AOC crying about how helpless these adults are who can’t pay for rent bc of student loans needing to work 2 jobs and that is why unemployment is so low.

Well worth the price and unintended consequence that not everyone deserves a degree and a job making 200k/yr.

Well Jane is an adult and has to face the consequences of her decisions. AOC is also an adult and needs to live in reality.

My money doesn't need to be given as a handout to all of these people who made poor decisions. Just no.
 
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The problem with #2 and that is billions and billions of dollars that you would essentially be given to the taxpayers. No way I would ever support that, even with an overhaul.

Also don't we already have an inflation problem? This would make things way worse for pretty much everyone. lol
 
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Well Jane is an adult and has to face the consequences of her decisions. AOC is also an adult and needs to live in reality.

My money doesn't need to be given as a handout to all of these people who made poor decisions. Just no.

As the old saying goes, the problem with socialism is that you run out of other people's money. lol
 
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