Crap, I got into med school. :(

WVUPharm2007 · May 30, 2006

So I'm at Sheetz trying to get a schmokehouse steak sub (food of the gods, it is) and I see this dude I occasionally play basketball with at the rec center. He was a pre-pharm and I sorta gave him advice every now and then on how to get into pharm school. So I ask him how's it's going. He goes, "I got rejected from pharmacy school. It sucks, dude. I got excepted into the med school though, so I guess I'll go there." And he says all of this with a frowned, dispair-filled look in his face. I'm not sure what it was, that pharmacy is harder to get into that med, apparently, or that some guy would rather have a PharmD, but I found it to be hilarious.

mph2pharm · May 30, 2006

I never applied to medical school but always thought that it was much more difficult to get into as compared to pharmacy school. Getting into pharmacy school hasn't been a cake walk however so I guess the times are changing. It doesn't really sound like this guy is all that enthusiastic about medical school. I hope that he realizes what he is about to get his self into.

starsweet · May 30, 2006

That's pretty funny. I think that med school is way harder to get into than pharmacy school. More ECs, volunteer work, experience, top scores, etc. are needed.

insipid1979 · May 30, 2006

He was obviously being condescending. I suggest you write about him in your blog.

WVUPharm2007 · May 30, 2006

insipid1979 said:
He was obviously being condescending.

He really wasn't. He's one of those kids that is always nice to people. Would make a good pediatrician. Hopefully I'll be able to convince him to give me free RXs for augmentin whenever I want.

insipid1979 · May 30, 2006

WVUPharm2007 said:
He really wasn't. He's one of those kids that is always nice to people. Would make a good pediatrician. Hopefully I'll be able to convince him to give me free RXs for augmentin whenever I want.

I was joking. I didn't really think he was being condescending. Maybe he wants to lead a more laid back life. But now he is stuck going to medical school and is upset.

Caverject · May 30, 2006

WVUPharm2007 said:
So I'm at Sheetz trying to get a schmokehouse steak sub (food of the gods, it is).

that must be some steak sub coming from a GAS STATION!

WVUPharm2007 · May 30, 2006

Yeah, it's a gas station, but the MTO section is the ****. Their coffee rivals starbucks.

ZpackSux · May 30, 2006

WVUPharm2007 said:
Yeah, it's a gas station, but the MTO section is the ****. Their coffee rivals starbucks.

Man... u really don't have many places to go..do you?

If you like Starbucks... we got one in the hospital.. or you might want to opt for the gourmet coffee that I provide in the pharmacy... I have a bean grinder...coffee maker... but you must grind your own beans..

Caverject · May 30, 2006

ZpackSux said:
Man... u really don't have many places to go..do you?

If you like Starbucks... we got one in the hospital.. or you might want to opt for the gourmet coffee that I provide in the pharmacy... I have a bean grinder...coffee maker... but you must grind your own beans..

I hear you have a personal nut grinder too...

Caverject · May 30, 2006

WVUPharm2007 said:
Yeah, it's a gas station, but the MTO section is the ****. Their coffee rivals starbucks.

Is it the one out by I-79?

Glycerin · May 30, 2006

Caverject said:
Is it the one out by I-79?

I was just on I-79 yesterday. 😀

I dunno about Sheetz's coffee rivaling Starbucks, but it's a helluva lot better than coffee at any other gas station or fast-food chain (Dunkin' Donuts inside Exxon excluded).

Apothecary · May 31, 2006

Strange. I too had the impression med school was easier to get into; from what I understand it's easier than getting into a veterinarian school, at least it used to be. Maybe its a geographical thing.

Apothecary · May 31, 2006

I don't want to perpetuate a misconception, but I got the impression med school was easier to get into--as of recently, though. I could be wrong. *shrug* I hope I am.

tkim · May 31, 2006

Apothecary said:
Strange. I too had the impression med school was easier to get into; from what I understand it's easier than getting into a veterinarian school, at least it used to be. Maybe its a geographical thing.

Could be, but it has also to do with the applicant to seat ratio and also the absolute number of seats. Veterinary and physician assistant schools have far less total numbers of seats available, so the competition is fierce and the ratio of applicants to seats could be equal, if not higher than med school admissions.

I have no idea the absolute number of PharmD seats there are, but I'm sure they're less than the seats that 150+ medical schools hold.

In any event, I hope the guy realizes that PharmD and med school are different animals, and that if he really wants to go PharmD, he should stick with it and not settle for med school.

crying moo · May 31, 2006

Sheetz is the shiz

ajmataz · May 31, 2006

seems like the guy doesn't really know what he's after if he applied to both.

Caverject · May 31, 2006

tkim said:
Could be, but it has also to do with the applicant to seat ratio and also the absolute number of seats. Veterinary and physician assistant schools have far less total numbers of seats available, so the competition is fierce and the ratio of applicants to seats could be equal, if not higher than med school admissions.

I have no idea the absolute number of PharmD seats there are, but I'm sure they're less than the seats that 150+ medical schools hold.

In any event, I hope the guy realizes that PharmD and med school are different animals, and that if he really wants to go PharmD, he should stick with it and not settle for med school.

Couldn't agree with you more...

Now that I think about it, I wonder if this person WVU knows is RLK :laugh:

insipid1979 · May 31, 2006

Apothecary said:
I don't want to perpetuate a misconception, but I got the impression med school was easier to get into--as of recently, though. I could be wrong. *shrug* I hope I am.

Look at the average med school applicants stats. Then look at PharmDs. It doesn't matter if the ratio for applications to acceptance is higher for med school. It is much more competitive than pharmacy school.

WVUPharm2007 · May 31, 2006

ZpackSux said:
Man... u really don't have many places to go..do you?

I live in West Virginny, ya' sun'bitch. Saying I don't have anything to do is like making fun of a blind guy for not being able to drive, not cool man, not cool.

Is it the one out by I-79?

No, actually the one by the med center. (Where else would I be, c'mon.)

Now that I think about it, I wonder if this person WVU knows is RLK

Don't know what a RLK is. I played ball with him every Friday night for a while until school got to be too much. Then I got married and my social life died. He's this overweight guy that can handle like Iverson. I'm not joking. He has this wicked crossover that will BREAK YOUR ANKLES. It defies physics.

Sheetz is the shiz

Yes it is. About 6 months ago, we got a new Starbucks. We were able to keep them away for so long, but those ****ers from New Jersey eventually got their way. 🙁

All4MyDaughter · May 31, 2006

insipid1979 said:
Look at the average med school applicants stats. Then look at PharmDs. It doesn't matter if the ratio for applications to acceptance is higher for med school. It is much more competitive than pharmacy school.

That's comparing apples to oranges.

Competitive = number of applicants vs. number of seats

By that standard, vet school is probably the most competitive.

I've heard that 50% of med school applicants end up admitted to at least one school.

Does anyone know what % of pharm school applicants are admitted?

Comparing the requirements to get into different programs will tell you how difficult it is to be admitted, and what skills are required to be admitted, but not how competitive it is (how many people you are competing against). Some programs are so DIFFICULT to qualify for that they are not competitive at all. Certain phd programs come to mind.

I actually studied this stuff in graduate school!

All4MyDaughter · May 31, 2006

Caverject said:
Couldn't agree with you more...

Now that I think about it, I wonder if this person WVU knows is RLK

If I remember correctly, RLK was interested in optometry.
I think he's still around these parts.

shaq786 · May 31, 2006

How the heck do you get rejected from pharm school and get into med? This guy is one wierd case.

FamilyMD · May 31, 2006

insipid1979 said:
Look at the average med school applicants stats. Then look at PharmDs. It doesn't matter if the ratio for applications to acceptance is higher for med school. It is much more competitive than pharmacy school.

The above is true. You are only kidding yourself if you honestly believe Pharmacy School is harder to get into than Medical School. Not trolling, but the stats truly are not even close.

WVUPharm2007 · May 31, 2006

My wife had a classmate in undergrad that got rejected from WVU pharmacy and accepted into the med school in Lewisburg, too. That's just 2 people *I* know of. I wouldn't say it's that all too bizarre. If you compare the GPAs of those getting into pharmacy vs. medical school, it's generally about the same. At least it is the case in Morgantown.

WVUPharm2007 · May 31, 2006

FamilyMD said:
The above is true. You are only kidding yourself if you honestly believe Pharmacy School is harder to get into than Medical School. Not trolling, but the stats truly are not even close.

At WVU, the average GPA for the class of 2009 was 3.67, science GPA of 3.63. Medicine was overall 3.59, science 3.65. Hence, you can see how it would be possible for one school to accept one applicant and maybe the other taking the same applicant. I can't speak for the nation because I'm not too familiar with it, nor do I particularly care, but the quality of applicants is pretty similar at WVU.

All4MyDaughter · May 31, 2006

FamilyMD said:
The above is true. You are only kidding yourself if you honestly believe Pharmacy School is harder to get into than Medical School. Not trolling, but the stats truly are not even close.

It may be harder to meet the requirements for medical school, but the question is, what % of medical applicants are successful vs. % of successful pharmacy applicants?

There are jobs and graduate programs with minimal admissions standards that are still extremely competitive because there are so few spots available.

At my university there is ONE spot per year for the masters degree in art education. Typically there are 30+ applicants for that ONE spot. It is very competitive, although it is relatively easy to meet the requirements for the program.

On the flip side, there is one spot for the phd in applied and industrial mathematics. Typically only 2-3 people apply. There are fewer applicants because the requirements are so difficult. So the program is difficult to qualify for, but less competitive. (33% chance of admission vs a 3.3% chance of admission for the MA art education).

insipid1979 · May 31, 2006

All4MyDaughter said:
That's comparing apples to oranges.

Competitive = number of applicants vs. number of seats

By that standard, vet school is probably the most competitive.

I've heard that 50% of med school applicants end up admitted to at least one school.

Does anyone know what % of pharm school applicants are admitted?

Comparing the requirements to get into different programs will tell you how difficult it is to be admitted, and what skills are required to be admitted, but not how competitive it is (how many people you are competing against). Some programs are so DIFFICULT to qualify for that they are not competitive at all. Certain phd programs come to mind.

I actually studied this stuff in graduate school!

Haven't we had this argument before? 😉

I'm sure there are also more people who are premed who change majors or did poorly compared to other premends where they decide to just not apply because they know their stats would just not cut it.

All I know is that I wouldn't really expect to have a decent chance at getting into med school unless I did some research/got my name in some journals (this is of course after actually getting a bachelors...assuming my GPA stays the same and my MCAT score would be equivalent to my PCAT). The fact that I know I would have to do more to make myself a competitive med school applicants tells me that med school is more competitive.

The application to acceptance ratio of a small private college in Illinois might be much higher than Harvard or Yale. But if the stats of people getting accepted into Harvard and Yale are much much higher...then of course you have to say Yale and Harvard are more competitive.

You have to take into account the average requirements and expectations between the two programs. Not just the application/acceptance ratio. At least that is how I feel you judge somethings competitiveness against anothers.

All4MyDaughter · May 31, 2006

insipid1979 said:
Haven't we had this argument before? 😉

I'm sure there are also more people who are premed who change majors or did poorly compared to other premends where they decide to just not apply because they know their stats would just not cut it.

All I know is that I wouldn't really expect to have a decent chance at getting into med school unless I did some research/got my name in some journals (this is of course after actually getting a bachelors...assuming my GPA stays the same and my MCAT score would be equivalent to my PCAT). The fact that I know I would have to do more to make myself a competitive med school applicants tells me that med school is more competitive.

The application to acceptance ratio of a small private college in Illinois might be much higher than Harvard or Yale. But if the stats of people getting accepted into Harvard and Yale are much much higher...then of course you have to say Yale and Harvard are more competitive.

You have to take into account the average requirements and expectations between the two programs. Not just the application/acceptance ratio. At least that is how I feel you judge somethings competitiveness against anothers.

I see where you are coming from. What you are calling competitiveness is what I would call "degree of difficulty" or "difficulty of requirements."

When I think competitive, I think, numerically, "what are my chances?" against all the people in my applicant pool.

If vet school is 25 acceptances/100 applicants, medschool is 30/100, and pharm is 35/100, then vet>med>pharm, by my definition of competitive.

The requirements for some med schools are harder than some pharmacy schools, no doubt. But not all med schools are harder than all pharmacy schools. There are some med schools that have more relaxed standards. And there are pharm schools that are extremely difficult to get into. And vet schools, well the requirements might not be as steep as med school, but there are so few seats that the competition for those spots is fierce.

I think we basically agree except on the semantics... I define competitive purely by the numbers. You see it as a more subjective thing... these are just our opinions anyway, and you know what they say about opinions... 😉

storyhill2 · Jun 1, 2006

WVUPharm2007 said:
At WVU, the average GPA for the class of 2009 was 3.67, science GPA of 3.63. Medicine was overall 3.59, science 3.65. Hence, you can see how it would be possible for one school to accept one applicant and maybe the other taking the same applicant. I can't speak for the nation because I'm not too familiar with it, nor do I particularly care, but the quality of applicants is pretty similar at WVU.

I have a similar experience. My friend applied to medical school at the University of Minnesota and I applied to the pharmacy school at the same University. He had a 3.78 gpa and I had a 3.7 gpa. He got around 47% on his MCAT and I got 79% PCAT. We both had similar experience in the field we were pursuing. It turns out that he is probably going to get in to the medical school and I will not get into the pharmacy school. I think medical school has historically been harder to get into than pharmacy school but I think there is debate now because pharmacy school is getting much harder to get in to. I went into pharmacy for many of the same reasons as WVUPharm2007, but I did think medical school was harder to get into. I am questioning that commonly held view now. I don't know what other medical schools are like, but my friend (probably med school student) told me that the most common bachelor degree of students at the U of M med school is English. I think this would attribute to a higher gpa for med students because the required science classes are fewer as compared to the pharmacy school required prereqs. If it turns out med school on the average is harder to get into, I'm alright with that. I feel pharmacy is my calling and am not looking to be highly esteemed by others. I do enjoy honest discussion.

insipid1979 · Jun 1, 2006

All4MyDaughter said:
I think we basically agree except on the semantics... I define competitive purely by the numbers. You see it as a more subjective thing... these are just our opinions anyway, and you know what they say about opinions... 😉

Exactly. That is what I meant when I said pretty much the same thing in my last post. You see the question more like "which schools are more competitive to get into"...I see it at "is a prepharmacy student as competitive as a premed student?". That is why we disagree.

Also, in my last post I should have said the ratio for applications to acceptance were lower...not higher for med school.

mph2pharm · Jun 1, 2006

Even though as someone mentioned above, the GPAs for entering pharmacy students and medical students are comparable, I think that the single most important reason why getting into medical school is so much more difficult is due to the MCAT. From my understanding the MCAT is a requirement for entry into all U.S. medical schools while some pharmacy schools don't even require the PCAT. Also few will argue that the MCAT is a much more difficult test as compared to the PCAT (just look at the number of people on the boards posting near perfect scores on the PCAT--not to down play anyone's achievements because I sure didn't get a 99 percentile PCAT score, but I just don't see near-perfect MCAT scores being reported as frequently). I do agree with the person above who stated that what makes pharm school entry difficult is the fact that in general, the science-coursework required for admissions is greater than that for medical school (I couldn't believe that certain pharmacy schools had biochemistry, microbiology and genetics all listed as pre-reqs for their program 😱 ).

twester · Jun 1, 2006

The MCAT is a different kind of test. I'm so grateful I didn't have to take it. But for every person who scores in the 99th percentile (which isn't necessarily a perfect score) on the PCAT, there's another person who scored in the 1st percentile. One hears more about the high scorers because it would be a rare person who brags about scoring in a lower percentile.

WVUPharm2007 · Jun 1, 2006

Also few will argue that the MCAT is a much more difficult test as compared to the PCAT (just look at the number of people on the boards posting near perfect scores on the PCAT--not to down play anyone's achievements because I sure didn't get a 99 percentile PCAT score, but I just don't see near-perfect MCAT scores being reported as frequently).

Dude, it's percentiles. I doubt SEVERELY that the majority of people getting 99s on the PCAT got 99s on every individual section. The person I know who got a 99 just got low 90s and hgh 80s on each individual section.

mph2pharm · Jun 1, 2006

WVUPharm2007 said:
Dude, it's percentiles. I doubt SEVERELY that the majority of people getting 99s on the PCAT got 99s on every individual section. The person I know who got a 99 just got low 90s and hgh 80s on each individual section.

Actually it's "dudette 😀 " and yes I understand that the PCAT is scored in percentiles and that you can get a 99 percentile without scoring a 99 on every section...I took the test...twice actually. The point I was making I believe is still valid which is that it seems like those who take the PCAT, on average tend to post higher scores relative to a perfect PCAT score as compared to students who take the MCAT against what a perfect MCAT score would be.

At this point I am just happy that I will never have to take either of these test ever again in life.

All4MyDaughter · Jun 1, 2006

mph2pharm said:
Actually it's "dudette 😀 " and yes I understand that the PCAT is scored in percentiles and that you can get a 99 percentile without scoring a 99 on every section...I took the test...twice actually. The point I was making I believe is still valid which is that it seems like those who take the PCAT, on average tend to post higher scores relative to a perfect PCAT score as compared to students who take the MCAT against what a perfect MCAT score would be.

At this point I am just happy that I will never have to take either of these test ever again in life.

We can't compare how many people get 99th percentile on the PCAT vs. the MCAT without knowing what a 99th percentile score on the MCAT is.

99 PCAT does not equal 44/45 MCAT.
Is a 99th percentile score on the MCAT a 40? 42? lower? higher?

Anyway, the number of 99th percentile test takers should be about the same PERCENTAGE of total test takers for any given test. The top 1%. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but you can't have 10%, 20%, 5% in the 99th percentile - that's not possible.

I agree that there seem to be a number of high scorers on SDN, but SDN is not a representative sample. I'd say that high-achieving students are found in greater numbers on SDN than in the real world, since SDN has many features that motivated pre-professional students would find appealing.

FamilyMD · Jun 2, 2006

All4MyDaughter said:
We can't compare how many people get 99th percentile on the PCAT vs. the MCAT without knowing what a 99th percentile score on the MCAT is.

99 PCAT does not equal 44/45 MCAT.
Is a 99th percentile score on the MCAT a 40? 42? lower? higher?

Anyway, the number of 99th percentile test takers should be about the same PERCENTAGE of total test takers for any given test. The top 1%. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but you can't have 10%, 20%, 5% in the 99th percentile - that's not possible.

I agree that there seem to be a number of high scorers on SDN, but SDN is not a representative sample. I'd say that high-achieving students are found in greater numbers on SDN than in the real world, since SDN has many features that motivated pre-professional students would find appealing.

Wow, you really can't let this point go huh? Does anyone with half a brain here honestly feel it is easier to get into medical school than pharmacy? That is the crux of it, semantics and percentiles aside.

storyhill2 · Jun 2, 2006

FamilyMD said:
Wow, you really can't let this point go huh? Does anyone with half a brain here honestly feel it is easier to get into medical school than pharmacy? That is the crux of it, semantics and percentiles aside.

I have a whole brain and I don't think it's harder to get into medical school than pharmacy school, but I don't think it's easier either. I think it differs from school to school. From my experiences I believe medical school used to be much harder to get into than pharmacy school and that many of the students admitted to pharmacy school would not have been competitive medical school applicants. Now I think that's changing/changed and that most students that are admitted to pharmacy school could just as well be admitted to medical school. I have many friends who have been admitted to medical school for fall of 2006 and many friends who have been admitted pharmacy school for fall of 2006. Apart from their volunteering experiences (diff settings sometimes, but not always) and having a bachelors degree, you could not tell whether they were admitted to pharmacy school or medical school. Those admitted to medical school would have been competitive if they applied to pharmacy school and those admitted to pharmacy school would have been competitive if they applied to medical school (would need to get a bachelors degree, but that would only help their gpa as they have completed the most challenging courses already). Again, even if it was harder or easier to get into pharmacy school I would have went to pharmacy school over medical school. Ok I'll stop writing now.

prairie42 · Jun 2, 2006

FamilyMD said:
Wow, you really can't let this point go huh? Does anyone with half a brain here honestly feel it is easier to get into medical school than pharmacy? That is the crux of it, semantics and percentiles aside.

Well, you posted on a pharmacy board, so I can only imagine the responses you will get. Although gaining admittance to pharmacy school has certainly become more competitive in recent years, getting into medical school has ALWAYS been challenging. Although medical school applications have trended down over the last ten years, there still has always been at least twice as many applicants as there were open spots for, nationally. I have friends who are physicians and I would not have traded my application process or schooling with them for anything. The journey that physicians take is a long and arduous one. I am not implying that getting into pharmacy school is easy by any means, I just don't think we have as many hoops and hurdles to jump through.

mph2pharm · Jun 2, 2006

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prairie42 said:
Well, you posted on a pharmacy board, so I can only imagine the responses you will get. Although gaining admittance to pharmacy school has certainly become more competitive in recent years, getting into medical school has ALWAYS been challenging. Although medical school applications have trended down over the last ten years, there still has always been at least twice as many applicants as there were open spots for, nationally. I have friends who are physicians and I would not have traded my application process or schooling with them for anything. The journey that physicians take is a long and arduous one. I am not implying that getting into pharmacy school is easy by any means, I just don't think we have as many hoops and hurdles to jump through.

Apothecary · Jun 2, 2006

josephbroten said:
I have a similar experience. My friend applied to medical school at the University of Minnesota and I applied to the pharmacy school at the same University. He had a 3.78 gpa and I had a 3.7 gpa. He got around 47% on his MCAT and I got 79% PCAT. We both had similar experience in the field we were pursuing. It turns out that he is probably going to get in to the medical school and I will not get into the pharmacy school. I think medical school has historically been harder to get into than pharmacy school but I think there is debate now because pharmacy school is getting much harder to get in to. I went into pharmacy for many of the same reasons as WVUPharm2007, but I did think medical school was harder to get into. I am questioning that commonly held view now. I don't know what other medical schools are like, but my friend (probably med school student) told me that the most common bachelor degree of students at the U of M med school is English. I think this would attribute to a higher gpa for med students because the required science classes are fewer as compared to the pharmacy school required prereqs. If it turns out med school on the average is harder to get into, I'm alright with that. I feel pharmacy is my calling and am not looking to be highly esteemed by others. I do enjoy honest discussion.

I'm with you all the way, brother. If I wanted to be held in high esteem I'd persue a profession thats "real" doctoral status wasn't argued all the time. I like your philosophy here. Why should we care which is easier?

I think that as time progresses, ultimately due to supply and demand, so will the requirements of being a PharmD: A Bachelors is going to be required for admittance, and a more competitive GPA, etc..

In ending, I don't think egomania and narcissism are very respectable---even if you are some sort of Super Technarchist Doctor of Uber-Medicine.

All4MyDaughter · Jun 2, 2006

FamilyMD said:
Wow, you really can't let this point go huh? Does anyone with half a brain here honestly feel it is easier to get into medical school than pharmacy? That is the crux of it, semantics and percentiles aside.

Yes, I think some medical schools are easier to get into than some pharmacy schools.
Some pharmacy schools are easier to get into than some medical schools.

You can be as condescending as you want, but my opinion is my opinion.
If you don't like it, don't read it.

insipid1979 · Jun 2, 2006

All4MyDaughter said:
Yes, I think some medical schools are easier to get into than some pharmacy schools.
Some pharmacy schools are easier to get into than some medical schools.

You can be as condescending as you want, but my opinion is my opinion.
If you don't like it, don't read it.

We are back at semantics now 😉 . There is not one Medical School that is "easier" to get into than a pharmacy school because every medical school has more prerequisites and minimum things they expect of you...because of this you must put in more time, money, and effort to fulfill these prereqs. It feels good to nitpick semantics 🙄

Just don't go around telling too many med students or MDs that Pharmacy school is harder to get into than Med school. You wouldn't want to embarrass yourself when they decide to laugh at you, and I wouldn't blame them.

It is nice to think that Pharmacy School is the hardest thing ever since we got accepted to one. But lets get real and not fool ourselves...

WVUPharm2007 · Jun 3, 2006

Based on that logic, It's easier to get into med school than to make 5,000,000 posts on SDN. Honestly, in my area of the country, it's about equal.

FamilyMD · Jun 3, 2006

insipid1979 said:
Just don't go around telling too many med students or MDs that Pharmacy school is harder to get into than Med school. You wouldn't want to embarrass yourself when they decide to laugh at you, and I wouldn't blame them.

It is nice to think that Pharmacy School is the hardest thing ever since we got accepted to one. But lets get real and not fool ourselves...

My thoughts exactly.....

MD2b20004 · Jun 3, 2006

Apothecary said:
Strange. I too had the impression med school was easier to get into; from what I understand it's easier than getting into a veterinarian school, at least it used to be. Maybe its a geographical thing.

From what I know, and please dont judge me, its my personal knowledge and research this is how it goes of whats hardest to get into from hardest to easiest.

Vet School, Clinical Psychology PhD programs, Med School (MD), DO Schools, (Dental and Pharm and optometry schools tie for fifth), Grad school Sciences, Podiatry Schools, Chiro. Schools, last but not least ONLINE MBA PROGRAMS :laugh:

All4MyDaughter · Jun 3, 2006

insipid1979 said:
We are back at semantics now 😉 . There is not one Medical School that is "easier" to get into than a pharmacy school because every medical school has more prerequisites and minimum things they expect of you...because of this you must put in more time, money, and effort to fulfill these prereqs. It feels good to nitpick semantics 🙄

Just don't go around telling too many med students or MDs that Pharmacy school is harder to get into than Med school. You wouldn't want to embarrass yourself when they decide to laugh at you, and I wouldn't blame them.

It is nice to think that Pharmacy School is the hardest thing ever since we got accepted to one. But lets get real and not fool ourselves...

Insipid, (as usual) we aren't going to convince each other. We are just going to have to agree to disagree. Neither one of us can absolutely prove the veracity of our position for every medical/pharmacy school in the country.

On topic (and directed toward the discussion of the entire thread): at least where I am located in the country, it would probably have been easier for me to get into an (osteopathic) medical school than UK pharmacy school. There were fewer specific pre-reqs required for the med school (I already had my degree) and I wouldn't have had to worry about breaking 30 on the MCAT. The school I'm referring to is most interested in your willingness to practice rural primary care and isn't as worried about research, etc. This is just one example (WVU posted another one above about West Virginia) where I think that medical school may not be as difficult or competitive as pharmacy school. I'm NOT saying that is true everywhere. I would agree that MOST medical schools may be harder, but I don't think they ALL are.

All4MyDaughter · Jun 3, 2006

MD2b20004 said:
From what I know, and please dont judge me, its my personal knowledge and research this is how it goes of whats hardest to get into from hardest to easiest.

Vet School, Clinical Psychology PhD programs, Med School (MD), DO Schools, (Dental and Pharm and optometry schools tie for fifth), Grad school Sciences, Podiatry Schools, Chiro. Schools, last but not least ONLINE MBA PROGRAMS

I think your list is pretty close to correct but I'd make some changes based on anecdotal information about region.

I'm just posting this info (which is my OPINION) to add to the discussion. Not trying to prove anything. This is non-scientific. Like MD2b said about his info, this is just based on personal knowledge and research. We should ALL be less judgemental of others. It will serve us well in our lives and careers.

For students in my region I'd say in general that it is:

Vet School
MD programs
Dental/Pharm/DO
Optometry
Clinical Psych
Grad School/Podiatry
Chiro

Just considering schools that are IN STATE in Kentucky:

MD programs (U of L, UK)
Dental (U of L, UK) and Pharm (UK)
DO program (PCSOM)
Clinical Psych (lots of them)
Grad School (lots of them)

There aren't any Vet, Optometry, Podiatry or Chiro schools here.
The two MD programs are very hard to get into if you are out of state, but not as difficult for KY residents.
The only pharmacy program is pretty hard to get into. It also takes 90%+ KY residents so is near impossible for OOS.
The only DO school has an average MCAT that is below the national mean.

insipid1979 · Jun 3, 2006

All4MyDaughter said:
Insipid, (as usual) we aren't going to convince each other. We are just going to have to agree to disagree. Neither one of us can absolutely prove the veracity of our position for every medical/pharmacy school in the country.

On topic (and directed toward the discussion of the entire thread): at least where I am located in the country, it would probably have been easier for me to get into an (osteopathic) medical school than UK pharmacy school. There were fewer specific pre-reqs required for the med school (I already had my degree) and I wouldn't have had to worry about breaking 30 on the MCAT. The school I'm referring to is most interested in your willingness to practice rural primary care and isn't as worried about research, etc. This is just one example (WVU posted another one above about West Virginia) where I think that medical school may not be as difficult or competitive as pharmacy school. I'm NOT saying that is true everywhere. I would agree that MOST medical schools may be harder, but I don't think they ALL are.

Ok so you agree. On average medical schools are harder. That can be the end of the discussion because there are always going to be exceptions to everything. I'm sure some art history programs are more rigorous than some biochem programs. I'm glad to see you switched your view...i'm not glad to see you are still trying to use semantics as a way to try and stop yourself from digging that hole you are in any deeper...because it isn't working 😉.

All4MyDaughter · Jun 3, 2006

insipid1979 said:
Ok so you agree. On average medical schools are harder. That can be the end of the discussion because there are always going to be exceptions to everything. I'm sure some art history programs are more rigorous than some biochem programs. I'm glad to see you switched your view...i'm not glad to see you are still trying to use semantics as a way to try and stop yourself from digging that hole you are in any deeper...because it isn't working 😉.

I'm not even sure what you are talking about now. Semantics? Holes? Digging?
I want some of whatever you are smoking.

My viewpoint has been consistent throughout the thread. Here's what I think:

Some medical schools are harder, but some pharmacy schools are harder.
It is difficult to make an absolute determination because of differing requirements, different scoring methods for entrance exams, and other variations.

Crap, I got into med school. :(

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