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Credentialed…haha. I could have been plumber. It was at a dental office. They just needed the patient asleep.So you got credentialed to do just one shift?
Credentialed…haha. I could have been plumber. It was at a dental office. They just needed the patient asleep.So you got credentialed to do just one shift?
Based on all of this, should I tell my friend to pursue becoming CRNA instead of the MD/DO, seems like all the perks with very minimal liability?
Why would anyone pursue becoming a physician nowadays?
If someone knew they wanted anesthesia and nothing else, it isn’t a bad path.Based on all of this, should I tell my friend to pursue becoming CRNA instead of the MD/DO, seems like all the perks with very minimal liability?
Why would anyone pursue becoming a physician nowadays?
Someone would pursue becoming a physician nowadays for one of 2 reasons: profound re_tardation or extreme masochism. CRNA all the way - done when you are 25-26, much less debt, minimal liability, $300k starting salary.Based on all of this, should I tell my friend to pursue becoming CRNA instead of the MD/DO, seems like all the perks with very minimal liability?
Why would anyone pursue becoming a physician nowadays?
For perspective... are you a CRNA or a resentful anesthesiologist?Someone would pursue becoming a physician nowadays for one of 2 reasons: profound re_tardation or extreme masochism. CRNA all the way - done when you are 25-26, much less debt, minimal liability, $300k starting salary.
There are many career paths through medical school besides anesthesia.
Besides a select few specialties, are you saying don’t go into anesthesia?
Not at all. But some folks may prefer psych or ortho or peds.
I’d guess they’re not a physician.For perspective... are you a CRNA or a resentful anesthesiologist?
As Nimbus stated, you will find your passion once you are in medical school. I thought I wanted to be a surgeon, specifically ortho. But during my rotations I realized how much I loved anesthesia compared to the other fields. There are just a lot more career options for you if you go to medical school and realize that you like something more than anesthesia.Besides a select few specialties, are you saying don’t go into anesthesia?
For a good ROI, PP cash only psych, hospital or PP ortho may be worth it
Peds… may not be.
Folks always seem to throw in the “PP psych” as a potentially better alternative. I guarantee you that on average, those folks make much less than gas does, with the exception of those at the top. Most importantly, it’s tough to establish a top PP practice- getting good referrals is no guarantee. It takes a while to get there, with no guarantee. Whereas in anesthesia, you show up and do the work on your plate. You take the good with the bad, which is the case in all specialties. Don’t get me wrong- m-f 9-5 is the dream… but careful of the ‘grass is greener’ mentality…For a good ROI, PP cash only psych, hospital or PP ortho may be worth it
Peds… may not be.
Yes. Anesthesia for the most part requires zero effort. No writing notes, no maintaining relationships with patients, getting good referrals ect. If there is an easier way to make money I haven’t found it….Folks always seem to throw in the “PP psych” as a potentially better alternative. I guarantee you that on average, those folks make much less than gas does, with the exception of those at the top. Most importantly, it’s tough to establish a top PP practice- getting good referrals is no guarantee. It takes a while to get there, with no guarantee. Whereas in anesthesia, you show up and do the work on your plate. You take the good with the bad, which is the case in all specialties. Don’t get me wrong- m-f 9-5 is the dream… but careful of the ‘grass is greener’ mentality…
A very, very resentful anesthesiologist. Doesn't change the fact that CRNA is the better route. Review the objective data without my subjective interpretation. Use that big brain God gave you and you'll see why I am right.For perspective... are you a CRNA or a resentful anesthesiologist?
I'm sure this isn't the first (or last) time you'll hear this: you guessed wrong.I’d guess they’re not a physician.
Totally agree. It's like the old "i-banking" trope many here think they could have done and become the next Gordon Gekko.Folks always seem to throw in the “PP psych” as a potentially better alternative. I guarantee you that on average, those folks make much less than gas does, with the exception of those at the top. Most importantly, it’s tough to establish a top PP practice- getting good referrals is no guarantee. It takes a while to get there, with no guarantee. Whereas in anesthesia, you show up and do the work on your plate. You take the good with the bad, which is the case in all specialties. Don’t get me wrong- m-f 9-5 is the dream… but careful of the ‘grass is greener’ mentality…
Folks always seem to throw in the “PP psych” as a potentially better alternative. I guarantee you that on average, those folks make much less than gas does, with the exception of those at the top. Most importantly, it’s tough to establish a top PP practice- getting good referrals is no guarantee. It takes a while to get there, with no guarantee. Whereas in anesthesia, you show up and do the work on your plate. You take the good with the bad, which is the case in all specialties. Don’t get me wrong- m-f 9-5 is the dream… but careful of the ‘grass is greener’ mentality…
A very, very resentful anesthesiologist. Doesn't change the fact that CRNA is the better route. Review the objective data without my subjective interpretation. Use that big brain God gave you and you'll see why I am right.
Abnormal syntax appreciated.I'm sure this isn't the first (or last) time you'll here this: you guessed wrong.
Ooooooh you caught me! Great job Captain of the Grammar Police. I'll invite you to insert that ban hammer at the starting point of a colonoscopy.Abnormal syntax appreciated.
Ban hammer on standby.
Medicine in general; anesthesiology specifically.May I ask what the resentment is about specifically?
Hmm maybe try a different job? I don’t think I know a single anesthesiologist this disgruntled.Medicine in general; anesthesiology specifically.
LOL. How many anesthesiologists do you know? Two?Hmm maybe try a different job? I don’t think I know a single anesthesiologist this disgruntled.
Eh. You can make double that as a physician anesthesiologist..so I'd rather work a few more years to get double the salary.Someone would pursue becoming a physician nowadays for one of 2 reasons: profound re_tardation or extreme masochism. CRNA all the way - done when you are 25-26, much less debt, minimal liability, $300k starting salary.
That's great! I'm glad you're happy with your decision.Eh. You can make double that as a physician anesthesiologist..so I'd rather work a few more years to get double the salary.
Also, I prefer to make my own decisions, and the prestige that comes with being a physician.
That being said, crna is a great career. It just depends on what your preferences are. I would choose being an anesthesiologist if I had to do it all over again.
About 40 in my last group and 30 in current group. I can think of 1 person who was pretty unhappy but don’t think he would be happy regardless of specialty or job. Maybe that’s youLOL. How many anesthesiologists do you know? Two?
But psych, you have to talk to people... CRAZY people... We get the benefit of 5 minutes or less interaction before we can avoid more conversationFor a good ROI, PP cash only psych, hospital or PP ortho may be worth it
Peds… may not be.
About 40 in my last group and 30 in current group. I can think of 1 person who was pretty unhappy but don’t think he would be happy regardless of specialty or job. Maybe that’s you
50% of my satisfaction is the job.Same. Vast majority of my partners are very satisfied with their career choice.
Did we just become best friends?50% of my satisfaction is the job.
60% of my satisfaction is not having to round or see patients in clinic.
110% satisfaciton rate
100% agree.50% of my satisfaction is the job.
60% of my satisfaction is not having to round or see patients in clinic.
110% satisfaciton rate
I think the problem many docs have is that they try to find happiness from their career or work. No. Wrong approach.Medicine in general; anesthesiology specifically.
Some hospitals require them. In the job I posted, I know Banner University requires "supervision" of CRNAs. The CRNAs don't think they need to be supervised though from my friends who worked there. I know working at the place in the thread about patient safety and the patient being coded after CRNA care, the surgeons didn't know they techincally were supervising "independent" CRNAs. I knew that a year ago, and I tried to point it out to the AZ Society. I was told there's nothing they can do since the surgeons were supervising even if they didn't know it.
This is the absolute truth when it comes down to it. Money makes people tolerate more BS than they would ever be willing to do so, as I'm guilty of it as well. It's hard to leave a comfortable position for an unknown, even if it might be the better decision... Although we spend a great deal of our waking hours working so it would be great to be able to spend the days happily instead of making it a chore or counting the clock...I think the problem many docs have is that they try to find happiness from their career or work. No. Wrong approach.
Work is there for livelihood. Best to keep it professional, do your job and exit. No drama. No need to get too involved…CRNAs upset you - sure. Join an MD only practice. Don’t like call, fine - locums or day only positions. Like residents - academics. Don’t like residents- pp community or ASC.
There are so many choices out there.
It is what it is.
Problem is when people get too greedy and don’t want to make a change or feel that they’re tied to a job.
I’ve taken a paycut to take a job with better schedule and environment. Other things make me happy - food, my kids, travel, etc. Even though Anesthesia is my passion and I can’t think of doing anything else, I still treat it like a way to earn a living. That’s it. Nothing more nothing less.
Fair. My friend who worked there kept saying supervision when I asked if it was medical direction because she asked if I wanted to work there. She said the crnas would go back and start cases without her despite her saying don't do that.Banner University in Phoenix actually requires Medical Direction and not just Supervision. I've heard stories about the CRNAs who work there especially about them thinking they can don't need any Anesthesiologists around.
Fair. My friend who worked there kept saying supervision when I asked if it was medical direction because she asked if I wanted to work there. She said the crnas would go back and start cases without her despite her saying don't do that.
The AzAS group there wants to do supervision since that’s what they do at every other site in the state lol, but I think they only cover IR/EP now. The Sound and Envision CRNAs seem to comprehend medical direction.
As I have grown older, I have found that this right here is the key to happinness. We all have options. Every single doctor on this forum has options, yet many whine and complain incessantly. There are so many options out there it is unbelievable.I think the problem many docs have is that they try to find happiness from their career or work. No. Wrong approach.
Work is there for livelihood. Best to keep it professional, do your job and exit. No drama. No need to get too involved…CRNAs upset you - sure. Join an MD only practice. Don’t like call, fine - locums or day only positions. Like residents - academics. Don’t like residents- pp community or ASC.
There are so many choices out there.
It is what it is.
Problem is when people get too greedy and don’t want to make a change or feel that they’re tied to a job.
I’ve taken a paycut to take a job with better schedule and environment. Other things make me happy - food, my kids, travel, etc. Even though Anesthesia is my passion and I can’t think of doing anything else, I still treat it like a way to earn a living. That’s it. Nothing more nothing less.
As I have grown older, I have found that this right here is the key to happinness. We all have options. Every single doctor on this forum has options, yet many whine and complain incessantly. There are so many options out there it is unbelievable.
The job is the job.
Don't like it? Quit.
Stil llike it? Stay on.
Always be looking to know what is out there, but know that the grass isn't always greener, but just a different shade.
There are things you can control and things you can't.
We did not create this current healthcare system. I sure as hell am not going to sacrifice my well being to fix it. We're only on this earth for so long and time spent with my husband, kids, friends, and family is infinitely more improtant than bitchinng about CRNAs vs MBAs cutting my checks.
My mistake. I thought they had CRNAs on OB there under medical direction. Are you saying that is false?
Then why are you so unhappy?
I'm not.Then why are you so unhappy?
I get 5 weeks/year right now and it takes an act of congress to get more than two consecutive weeks anyway, so this seems nicer to me. And before you ask, yes, I'm in academicsThat sounds like crap. Where is the real vacation? Don’t give me the crap about 26 weeks off either.
These days non cash psychiatrists are making good money. I find it disingenuous to go cash only in a field where the ones who need it most are poor and on Medicare. Like who are you truly helping? Well managed rich people only?For a good ROI, PP cash only psych, hospital or PP ortho may be worth it
Peds… may not be.
I literally tell nurses if they can stomach what they are doing and are making 150-200k traveling or in California to ride that wave. Ride it till it throws you off. ROI for medicine w inflation the way it may not be worth it.I'm sure this isn't the first (or last) time you'll hear this: you guessed wrong.