Currently working as Engineer but thinking about dentistry...do i have a shot?

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This is a little bit of a rant so I really appreciate anyone who makes it to the end and gives me feedback. Background info:

I graduated from the University of Maryland in May 2016 with a B.S. in Mechanical Engineering and have been working at NASA for the past year. However, I recently have become very intrigued with the idea of going to dental school. I would need to go back and take all of the dental pre-reqs (approx. 12-15 classes). Fortunately, my job has kind of weird hours which allows me a lot of free time to study and attend lectures.

I've heard that Maryland has a great Dental program, which is part of the reason I think it would be a good move for me, given that I have lived in the state my whole life and attended the school for my undergrad. But before I commit to this move I wanted to gauge if I really have a shot or if I'm starting too far behind the 8 ball.

My concern is my undergrad GPA/transcript. From my quick research, Maryland Dental has an average GPA acceptance of 3.4. I graduated with a 2.83. At the time I was going through engineering, I obviously had no idea that I would think about applying to any kind of medical school in the future, and admittedly at times had a "C's get degrees" attitude.

I know it's hard to gauge something like this because it's dependent on a lot of other factors (such as my DAT), but my main question is: If I were to go back and take all of the necessary pre-reqs and achieve competitive stats (let’s say a 3.5 GPA in all my pre-reqs and a 20 on the DAT (I’m obviously aiming for higher but I’m trying to be conservative/realistic)), in addition to all of the necessary hours of shadowing, etc… would I be a competitive candidate, or has my sub-par undergrad transcript already eliminated me?

Some things that I HOPE would work in my favor:
  • On Maryland Dental’s website it states: “All Science Courses must be taken within 5 years of the year you wish to enroll into the program.” I started my undergrad degree in the Fall 2011, and finished in May 2016. If I were to start on my pre-reqs now, it would take me about 3 years to finish everything before I started to apply to dental schools. So essentially, more than 5 years will have passed between the majority of my undergrad coursework and my dental applications. Since so much time has passed, will that lead the admissions committee to put less stock into my undergrad transcript, and focus more on the recent work I did in my pre-dental classes?
  • Mechanical Engineering is a pretty difficult major (and UMD has a strong engineering program), and I don’t think it’s a very common major amongst dental applicants. Would they take that into account when comparing me to someone who has a higher GPA but majored in something like Bio? (Not that Bio is a cakewalk, but I think most would agree Engineering is tougher)
  • Do they look favorably upon work experience (even if it’s not relevant to dentistry)? Because by the time I apply I will have been working as a professional engineer for about 3 years. I also believe that this would make me a diverse candidate, which these professional schools always claim they are looking for, as opposed to the typical candidate coming straight out of undergrad with a bio major. I would definitely try to play this angle up in my personal statement.

I’m way more focused and mature now than when I was going through undergrad and I’m confident that if I were to take all of the pre-req courses now I would do fairly well, but I’m worried that my past GPA has already eliminated me.

Also, if I were to not make it into Maryland Dental, is it possible I could go to a “lesser” dental program, and try to transfer into Maryland Dental after a semester/year? Or is that not very plausible once you get into a dental program? I am thinking of this as my backup plan in case I do decide to go the dental route but don’t get into Maryland initially.

Once again, thanks to anyone who took the time to read through all of this and leave feedback!

***BONUS QUESTION***

In my engineering curriculum there were a couple classes that I took that are part of the dental pre-reqs (Chem I and PHYS 1 & 2). I got an (A) in CHEM I, a (B) in PHYS I, and unfortunately a (C) in PHYS II. But as I stated earlier, all of these classes will have fallen out of the 5 year windows by the time I apply and I would have to take them again. Even though I would have to take the course again (and hopefully do much better in my PHYS courses) would my first grade still reflect poorly on me even though they fall out of the 5 year window? An advisor I spoke to at my University said if I re-take one of the pre-reqs, the dental school will average out the two grades, (meaning if I re-took PHYS II and got a B they would consider that a 2.5) but that was before either of us knew about the “5 year rule.”

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First make sure this is something you really want to do. Dental school is a huge time commitment and is pretty expensive. I recommend shadowing a dentist for an extended amount of time to make sure you're serious. You'll have a shot if you get your gpa up with the pre reqs. If you do the DAT boot camp 10 week plan, 21+ is very realistic. Don't bank on getting in to umd though make sure you apply broadly. Btw I wouldn't call other dental schools lesser than umd and no it's unlikely that you could transfer.
 
First make sure this is something you really want to do. Dental school is a huge time commitment and is pretty expensive. I recommend shadowing a dentist for an extended amount of time to make sure you're serious. You'll have a shot if you get your gpa up with the pre reqs. If you do the DAT boot camp 10 week plan, 21+ is very realistic. Don't bank on getting in to umd though make sure you apply broadly. Btw I wouldn't call other dental schools lesser than umd and no it's unlikely that you could transfer.

Good point, I didn't mean to offend or sound snobbish, I just meant programs that may not necessarily rank as high nationally. Also, may I ask why transferring wouldn't be likely? Thanks for answering!
 
Good point, I didn't mean to offend or sound snobbish, I just meant programs that may not necessarily rank as high nationally. Also, may I ask why transferring wouldn't be likely? Thanks for answering!
One student transfer after first year mean that school will lose about 3 years of tuition and the other school might not have seat available for you.
 
One student transfer after first year mean that school will lose about 3 years of tuition and the other school might not have seat available for you.
That makes sense, thanks for your help!
 
Your salary will go up in a few years. I would not risk going to another field and be in debt possibly $200k-$400k.
Maryland's in state tuition is pretty reasonable, so if I were to get in I think I actually would be able to manage minimal to no debt, but thanks for your input!
 
I agree that you should not bank on getting into UMD. If you go dental, you need to apply broadly. On a side note, "lesser" schools are subjective and there are no rankings for dental school. They're made up.

Edit: If you go dental, I think you would need great grades in your prereqs in addition to a SMP.
Yeah I would for sure apply to multiple schools, its just Maryland would be my top choice. And yeah I realize "lesser" was definitely a poor choice of words. I'll make sure to look into those Master's program...thanks for your help!
 
Your salary will go up in a few years. I would not risk going to another field and be in debt possibly $200k-$400k.

I don't know about this. It could go up but being real a good amount of the posters on SDN could have made 60k out of undergrad if that is what they wanted to do.
 
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Lol yeah I mentioned in a comment above, that was probably a poor choice of words. I didn't mean to be an ass, I just meant programs that may not rank as high nationally, cause from what I've been told Maryland has one of the best programs in the country. Anyways, thanks for the info!!
Everyone and their brother will claim that their dental school is one of the best in the country. Believe it or not, patients will call you doctor no matter where you graduate from.
 
My wife is an engineer, and I'm a dentist.

She makes about 90k with benefits, no loans, and a 401k that is matched. If she continues on her job for the next 20 years she will be just fine.

I started with 200k loans, paid them off, and now I'm 1.2 million dollars in debt from a dental practice. If I pay it off, then I should be good, but its no cakewalk. It's stressful.

The grass is always greener. It's hard work, and honestly my wife has a very comfortable modest living. Can take time off, go to work and chit chat all day long while getting some work done, while I have to hustle and see 30-40 patients, and do backbreaking dentistry. Good luck with your decision.

Last edit: if you were to take out a hefty loan- as an associate you would technically be making less than your engineer salary after loan repayments. Ownership is the way to go...but ownership means taking on 500k....1mil of extra loans...working for 10 years, and then having the extra cash flow in your pocket- IF you are successful.
 
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Honestly, you have a shot and if this is something you want to do, then go for it! I have a similar story in that I didn't do so well during my undergrad and took some grad courses ( about 4) after I was finished with my B.S. in Neuroscience. I got a decent DAT score( above a 19) and got into Maryland. It's all about how hard you work and how bad you want it. 80% of the incoming class is in-state. UMB loves students from UMD undergrad, so those are two things going for you! My advice, shadow a local dentist that is open on Saturdays and see how you like it for about a month. If you like it, start studying for the DATs and take them no later than the beginning of September. I think you have a shot. If you get a good DAT score, you're in! Never give up on yourself or listen to other people. I believe in you
 
Honestly, you have a shot and if this is something you want to do, then go for it! I have a similar story in that I didn't do so well during my undergrad and took some grad courses ( about 4) after I was finished with my B.S. in Neuroscience. I got a decent DAT score( above a 19) and got into Maryland. It's all about how hard you work and how bad you want it. 80% of the incoming class is in-state. UMB loves students from UMD undergrad, so those are two things going for you! My advice, shadow a local dentist that is open on Saturdays and see how you like it for about a month. If you like it, start studying for the DATs and take them no later than the beginning of September. I think you have a shot. If you get a good DAT score, you're in! Never give up on yourself or listen to other people. I believe in you
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Honestly, you have a shot and if this is something you want to do, then go for it! I have a similar story in that I didn't do so well during my undergrad and took some grad courses ( about 4) after I was finished with my B.S. in Neuroscience. I got a decent DAT score( above a 19) and got into Maryland. It's all about how hard you work and how bad you want it. 80% of the incoming class is in-state. UMB loves students from UMD undergrad, so those are two things going for you! My advice, shadow a local dentist that is open on Saturdays and see how you like it for about a month. If you like it, start studying for the DATs and take them no later than the beginning of September. I think you have a shot. If you get a good DAT score, you're in! Never give up on yourself or listen to other people. I believe in you

Actually, Maryland is a very OOS friendly school and is typically only 55-60% of the class is in state. Unless they've changed their approach dramatically in the past year or so.

OP, it sounds like you're in the thought process of "Maryland or bust" and in that case, I'm not sure whether the process is worth it.
 
Actually, Maryland is a very OOS friendly school and is typically only 55-60% of the class is in state. Unless they've changed their approach dramatically in the past year or so.

OP, it sounds like you're in the thought process of "Maryland or bust" and in that case, I'm not sure whether the process is worth it.
I mean I definitely wouldn't be dumb enough to only apply to 1 school, but I would reallyyy prefer Maryland since it's great school and I could go there without incurring much/or any debt lol. Thanks for answering!
 
I don't know about this. It could go up but being real a good amount of the posters on SDN could have made 60k out of undergrad if that is what they wanted to do.

Not with a Bio degree.
 
You're going to have a hard time with a sub-3.0 GPA. I would do a quick search on this forum and you'll find a bunch of "I have <3.0, do I have a chance?" and "<3.0 support group". You'll need to figure out how many credits worth of A's you'll need to break a 3.0. I can already guess that you'll have to take a bunch of credits to raise that to a 3.0. You may even have to consider a post-bacc or Master's. That means you need to strive for a 4.0 from here on out. Not a 3.5 average. Even if you were to get 4.0 and get your overall average >3.0, you're going to have a hard time. You may have to settle with a private school which I honestly do not recommend as a financially smart or worthwhile choice. Because a private school is most likely where you may end up, I would sit down and crunch some numbers. Is leaving your current career worth >$400,000 in loans at approximately 4% interest? All of this might be worth a shot to see if you get into an affordable school but that's a decision you'll have to make.

Your undergraduate GPA will still be factored into your overall GPA no matter how long ago you completed your degree. Schools need to carry a certain reputation of competitiveness and tout a high incoming class GPA. Accepting someone with a 3.0 or less would obviously hurt their goal. You need to be that anomaly on the bell curve for who they accept. Get a 4.0 and get 22 on the DAT. Honestly, I never thought I would say this when I applied 4 years ago but I probably don't think this career as a general dentist would be worth the trouble you'll have to go through. But I had nontraditional classmates who went through this.
 
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Yeah correct. Sorry lol idk if that was confusing or I missed the point of your original post altogether.
oh np haha. Someone was saying sdners can make more than 60 if they wanted. Then another person said not with a prehealth degree, soI said if the money wasn't there, the capable people would not be studying a prehealth degree but a more practical one and would, as a result, make >60 if they wanted.

I think you were saying not everyone capable on SDN chose to do bio, but I think people were using bio as a catchall term for "prehealth" (e.g. biochemistry, biomedical science, molecular and cell bio, etc).
 
oh np haha. Someone was saying sdners can make more than 60 if they wanted. Then another person said not with a prehealth degree, soI said if the money wasn't there, the capable people would not be studying a prehealth degree but a more practical one and would, as a result, make >60 if they wanted.

I think you were saying not everyone capable on SDN chose to do bio, but I think people were using bio as a catchall term for "prehealth" (e.g. biochemistry, biomedical science, molecular and cell bio, etc).
Yeah... lol I'm super lost idk what I was even trying to say anymore
 
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