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settle it like gentlemen over a round of fisticuffs in the locker room.
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Buy a saturday night special from a thug on the street along with drugs and put them in his locker then rat him out anonymously. That should take care of the situation.
Buy a saturday night special from a thug on the street along with drugs and put them in his locker then rat him out anonymously. That should take care of the situation.
This month, I've been rotating at a program out west and it's my first time interacting with an extern from another school. I'm not sure if it's because we're from different schools or if I'm rubbing him the wrong way or if he's just a bad apple, but he has been trying to one-up me at every turn, even going out of his way to do so. And it's cheesing me off.
I don't think they're in the same class. Regardless, I have seen students act like this. I just ignored them. All of the residents and attendings noticed the student acting like this, and I even had the director and extern director at the program I am attending tell me that they appreciated me not acting like this specific individual. I found it has worked best to just work hard, keep my mouth shut for the most part, and let the other student show their true colors. Residents and attendings notice that sort of stuff too.What has blown my mind (if I'm assuming correctly, having a good idea of which schools start rotations when)...this guy is in your class.
If that was one of my classmates, and maybe it's different with a smaller class size, I would have backhanded him before I had the polite discussion...
We've had a student or two like this at our program. I wouldn't worry too much about running into kids like this too often. In my experience you get lazy/bad/unintelligent students more often then the person you described.
My advice, is basically to only follow the last paragraph of PADPM's post. That part was really well said. People will catch on to the smoke your co-extern is blowing. And if they don't then you should evaluate the quality of the program...somebody that dense probably shouldn't be teaching future DPMs.
As a resident I feel comfortable telling you not to act like this guy. You will be better off keeping your mouth shut and letting other kids make fools of themselves (that really applies to every rotation, not just this one).
If you read my comment again, you will read that I did not advocate "snarky" comments. I simply gave an example of how I handled a similar situation when I was much younger, and much more immature. I don't and never have taken crap from anyone, and at the time I didn't have the self control or maturity to do what I recommended in my first 2 sentences of my original post.
You can do it at Arizona. One of your 3rd year electives can be an externship. They would schedule it towards the end of the year (April or May). I know that there are students out on externships right now from Arizona, but the majority won't start until next month.I know what he said, but what other programs start elective externships in May now?
I concur. I was also confused as well. Hence why thought giving a snarky remark would be appropriate. Regardless, I feel this is a great thread. With all the talk we have received about externships at Scholl a situation like this has not been brought up and discussed. I'm glad and saddened to see that a situation like this could occur. At least I won't be blindsided if/ when this happens to me.
Just because one does well in school doesn't mean one automatically acts like a douche. Being a non-traditional student coming into podiatry school and holding down real jobs, I know a thing or two about how to properly act, even when you might not like certain co-workers. But that's nothing I really need to prove. I'll just automatically use those skills when I need to on externships. This is where my age and real life experience will be to my advantage.
You can also ask anyone from the Scholl class of 2014 who shares the most study guides or materials and most people would say me. I also recorded all the lectures this year and posted them on a mediafire share website so students could re-listen to them prior to the exam because our school is too cheap to do it for classes we don't take with the medical students.
In addition to all of that you can ask dtrack22 how much fun I like to have and how non-douchy I am. He was there watching me break out my ultra-white/ awful dance moves, in the middle of the Scholl dance circle, while partying at the club down in Miami for the pod basketball tournament.
For those reading this post, this is not an over-reaction to what bobdolerson tried to label me. It's more of a clarification post. Similar to what Air Bud did in the OCPM/Kent thread. Online personas don't necessarily match what kind of people we are in reality.
Just because one does well in school doesn't mean one automatically acts like a douche. Being a non-traditional student coming into podiatry school and holding down real jobs, I know a thing or two about how to properly act, even when you might not like certain co-workers. But that's nothing I really need to prove. I'll just automatically use those skills when I need to on externships. This is where my age and real life experience will be to my advantage.
You can also ask anyone from the Scholl class of 2014 who shares the most study guides or materials and most people would say me. I also recorded all the lectures this year and posted them on a mediafire share website so students could re-listen to them prior to the exam because our school is too cheap to do it for classes we don't take with the medical students.
In addition to all of that you can ask dtrack22 how much fun I like to have and how non-douchy I am. He was there watching me break out my ultra-white/ awful dance moves, in the middle of the Scholl dance circle, while partying at the club down in Miami for the pod basketball tournament.
For those reading this post, this is not an over-reaction to what bobdolerson tried to label me. It's more of a clarification post. Similar to what Air Bud did in the OCPM/Kent thread. Online personas don't necessarily match what kind of people we are in reality.
This month, I've been rotating at a program out west and it's my first time interacting with an extern from another school. I'm not sure if it's because we're from different schools or if I'm rubbing him the wrong way or if he's just a bad apple, but he has been trying to one-up me at every turn, even going out of his way to do so. And it's cheesing me off.
For example, if a resident asks us to break down a pt's bandage while rounding, he will rush in front of me so he can do it--even if I happen to be standing squarely in front of the pt's bedside! Some of it is silly stuff too: If I happen to be standing behind an attending while he is gowning, my co-extern will physically place himself between us so he gets to tie the gown. What's annoying is that if I ask a well-thought out question to one of the residents or attendings, and the response is less than enthusiastic, my co-extern will not fail to have some condescending commentary for me, no matter how useless or irrelevant, as though the answer were perfectly obvious to him and I'm a blithering idiot for venturing forth to ask.
In the past, when working with my classmates, my philosophy has been that we're better off cooperating than competing. I help you, you help me, and we're both better off. If the residents then see that we can cooperate, we both look good. Besides, then 5-10 years in the future, we cross paths again, and we say "Oh yeah I remember him, he's really good to work with and a great Dr." Up until this month, I've had nothing but good experiences following that strategy.
What's happening here is that he's scoring points at my expense. I'm trying to be a professional and he's acting like a child. If I start bickering with him, it's going to be mutually destructive, so I'm not going to do that, as much as I'd like to take him down with me. I've basically written off this month, since I feel like he's hogged all the glory. With one week to go, it's fine by me if he wants to go on kissing everyones' butts (to use terms the moderators won't censor).
My question is how do you deal with a person like this? Is he going to succeed following this strategy? Is this what it takes to get a residency? I would expect it for MBA or JD students but not from us. Does it even make a difference who ties off the attending's gown? Am I wrong to prefer cooperation over competition?
EPILOGUE:
Today, during a case, the attending asked to have the lights adjusted. My over-achieving associate, naturally, was more than happy to comply. He grabbed the light by the handle and shined it on the operative site.
He wasn't scrubbed in.
And that, dear children, is how you torpedo an entire month's worth of kissing up in less than 2 seconds.
lol that is unbelievably awesome hahaEPILOGUE:
Today, during a case, the attending asked to have the lights adjusted. My over-achieving associate, naturally, was more than happy to comply. He grabbed the light by the handle and shined it on the operative site.
He wasn't scrubbed in.
And that, dear children, is how you torpedo an entire month's worth of kissing up in less than 2 seconds.
In addition to all of that you can ask dtrack22 how much fun I like to have and how non-douchy I am. He was there watching me break out my ultra-white/ awful dance moves, in the middle of the Scholl dance circle, while partying at the club down in Miami for the pod basketball tournament.