D.O. Respect

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Hey guys. I read somewhere on SDN that D.O.'s don't get as much respect as MD's. I don't really understand what this means. (Please, don't make this a MD Vs D.O. thread).
Do nurses not listen to D.O. doctors?
Do they get paid less?
Do they have somebody check their work at the end of the day?
I'm sure the answer to all these questions is NO.
So, what do they exactly mean?
(I'm not trolling, I swear) I just wanna understand.
 
This is why you should go carribean med school, so you can call yourself an MD. You'll totally become a neurosurgeon , make millions of dollars, slay thousands of babes, and go on to have a medical school named after you.

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You realize there's a search function that can more than answer this question. And no, I will not check out your blog. Probably full of wrong, useless, and mis-informed data.
 
Hey guys. I read somewhere on SDN that D.O.'s don't get as much respect as MD's. I don't really understand what this means. (Please, don't make this a MD Vs D.O. thread).
Do nurses not listen to D.O. doctors?
Do they get paid less?
Do they have somebody check their work at the end of the day?
I'm sure the answer to all these questions is NO.
So, what do they exactly mean?
(I'm not trolling, I swear) I just wanna understand.

I don't want to answer your questions because they already have been answered numerous times before, and it just comes down to whether you want to be a doctor or not, your call. I do have some constructive advice for you, however. I did skim over your blog. I see that you are older right now, but you are also working on your nursing degree. What's the point to do nursing if you want to end up being a doctor? If I were you, i'd just do everything i can, stay 10000% focused to get my GPA up to par and graduate as early as possible (I'd quit job and rely on loans as well, since the money you earn now will seem like nothing when you get your first pay check as a doc). Remember, every day that passes on is another one that you will never get back.
 
Probably full of wrong, useless, and mis-informed data.

Hey Bajastapler. Thanks for the kind words. That's why we're here. right? to learn from each other. You are right. I don't know many things. That's why I'm asking you. If I knew I would have not asked. But at least you took the time to respond. I appreciate it. 👍
 
Hey Bajastapler. Thanks for the kind words. That's why we're here. right? to learn from each other. You are right. I don't know many things. That's why I'm asking you. If I knew I would have not asked. But at least you took the time to respond. I appreciate it. 👍

The reason of the negativity is because this question has been answered before plenty.
I'll tell you this though, if you have a chance at do school and you really want to be a doctor, take it.
Do might not get much respect but they get more respect than fmg( img) MD.
 
I see that you are older right now, but you are also working on your nursing degree. What's the point to do nursing if you want to end up being a doctor? If I were you, i'd just do everything i can, stay 10000% focused to get my GPA up to par and graduate as early as possible (I'd quit job and rely on loans as well, since the money you earn now will seem like nothing when you get your first pay check as a doc). Remember, every day that passes on is another one that you will never get back.

Hey DidierDrogba. I'm a big fan 🙂 (of the real one 😉. let's see how he will do on Wednesday in Real Madrid game)
Yeah, that nursing thing was an idea that was shot down by follow SDNers a few days ago. So, I aborted that nursing plan. They said exactly what you said. So, I will follow their and your advice. I didn't update my blog in a while. That's why it is still saying that.
Thank you, man. Good luck on Wednesday 👍
 
Hey DidierDrogba. I'm a big fan 🙂 (of the real one 😉. let's see how he will do on Wednesday in Real Madrid game)
Yeah, that nursing thing was an idea that was shot down by follow SDNers a few days ago. So, I aborted that nursing plan. They said exactly what you said. So, I will follow their and your advice. I didn't update my blog in a while. That's why it is still saying that.
Thank you, man. Good luck on Wednesday 👍

I love Drogba and i think he's still got game, but realistically, no chance vs madrid. At least Gala's still has Sneijder lol
BTW to save your own a** on sdn, i'd recommend you not to ask any provocative questions. people get defensive
 
The reason of the negativity is because this question has been answered before plenty.
I'll tell you this though, if you have a chance at do school and you really want to be a doctor, take it.
Do might not get much respect but they get more respect than fmg( img) MD.

Hey Tartesos. I hear you. I'm just struggling with the definition of respect. What does it mean? If I work next to you, do the same thing, get paid the same money, where is the disrespect?
 
I love Drogba and i think he's still got game, but realistically, no chance vs madrid. At least Gala's still has Sneijder lol
BTW to save your own a** on sdn, i'd recommend you not to ask any provocative questions. people get defensive

LOL. Trust me, I just learned that pretty fast. Thanks 👍
 
Hey Tartesos. I hear you. I'm just struggling with the definition of respect. What does it mean? If I work next to you, do the same thing, get paid the same money, where is the disrespect?

I wouldn't care so much about "respect" now if I were you, i'd be more concerned about getting into ANY med school.... Who cares about how other people perceive you? If you know your stuff, and become the go-to doc for everyone in town, people are going to naturally respect you regardless of your degree
 
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I wouldn't care so much about "respect" now if I were you, i'd be more concerned about getting into ANY med school.... Who care about how other people perceive you? If you know your stuff, and become the go-to doc for everyone in town, people are going to naturally respect you regardless of your degree

True that. Thanks.
 
Sigh, now I feel like a jerk. Sorry mang. I'd actually written out a decently long explanation via tablet which sucks ballz and then in a moment of weakness had the slightest inkling you might be a troll, which you could very well still be, and then proceed to go full ****** on you. I apologize. Honestly? MD = DO for all the questions you asked.

Now respect? That's a tricky one, but I would still say that they are equivalent. In order to remain a sliver of anonimity I won't give away my exact location, but this past year before starting med school I've been working at the lab for a Uni of California hospital in socal and have come by a ton of DOs. Most in primary care (FP, Im, obgyn, peds) why? Because that's what most DOs knowingly go to med school for' primary care. But that's not to say that's it. I've seen more specialized depts run by DOs. Maybe not the head of some ridiculous specialty, but still specialized. Now for the issue of co-worker respect: I'm pretty sure you don't get away with being a dept head (DO), have your name on a plaque for "doctor excellence" in the front of the hospital, proceed running into the lab, and get away with literally yelling at an employee in front of supervisors. Unless you're respected.

As far as patients go? You really should not let patient perception bug you. If you're a do theyll b mad youre not an MD. If you're an MD they'll be mad you didn't graduate Harvard. If you went to Harvard then theyll be mad you didn't graduate top of your class... see what I'm getting at? Just smile listen, and run up that *****holes bill so you can pay back our 300k loan and support your ceo's salary 😉

Jokes aside just do it. The one pitfall - according to SDN - is the variability of DO clinical rotation sites. It sounds like you have to go out of your way to make sure you get what you want. But honestly what student, regardless of where you go to school, doesn't hate their administration and think they're nothing more than a waste of student tuition.

Anyways gl! U can so it and I'll even check out yo blog BC I feel bad.


Sorry to typos tablet typing sucks
 
Hey guys. I read somewhere on SDN that D.O.'s don't get as much respect as MD's. I don't really understand what this means. (Please, don't make this a MD Vs D.O. thread).
Do nurses not listen to D.O. doctors?
Do they get paid less?
Do they have somebody check their work at the end of the day?
I'm sure the answer to all these questions is NO.
So, what do they exactly mean?
(I'm not trolling, I swear) I just wanna understand.

"I'm sure the answer to all these questions is NO."

You showed interest in our profession but you have not done one ounce of research about it?
 
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Respect is never taken, it is given (earned). DO's make equivalent salaries. That's all there is to it.

MD might give you a better chance of matching the very top residencies, though. Otherwise there isn't much of a difference.
 
Well, to many pre-meds out there on SDN, a DO is a doctor that treats pneumonia with crushed herbs and flower petals and treats appendicitis with homogenized weasel dust. But the truth of the matter is, DO's and MD's are virtually identical. There are many people out there that will put down the DO degree and decry MD or die...these people most likely suffer from small penis syndrome. Both of the degrees earn you the title of "Doctor", which is what we are all after. The stigma that DO's are lesser physicians is an ideal fueled by some MD's who have a false sense of superiority. Nurses don't care if you're a DO or MD, they just care if you know what the hell you are doing. The 2 letters behind your name don't grant you respect, you earn it by doing your job and doing it well.
 
Sigh, now I feel like a jerk. Sorry mang. I'd actually written out a decently long explanation via tablet which sucks ballz and then in a moment of weakness had the slightest inkling you might be a troll, which you could very well still be, and then proceed to go full ****** on you. I apologize. Honestly? MD = DO for all the questions you asked.

Now respect? That's a tricky one, but I would still say that they are equivalent. In order to remain a sliver of anonimity I won't give away my exact location, but this past year before starting med school I've been working at the lab for a Uni of California hospital in socal and have come by a ton of DOs. Most in primary care (FP, Im, obgyn, peds) why? Because that's what most DOs knowingly go to med school for' primary care. But that's not to say that's it. I've seen more specialized depts run by DOs. Maybe not the head of some ridiculous specialty, but still specialized. Now for the issue of co-worker respect: I'm pretty sure you don't get away with being a dept head (DO), have your name on a plaque for "doctor excellence" in the front of the hospital, proceed running into the lab, and get away with literally yelling at an employee in front of supervisors. Unless you're respected.

As far as patients go? You really should not let patient perception bug you. If you're a do theyll b mad youre not an MD. If you're an MD they'll be mad you didn't graduate Harvard. If you went to Harvard then theyll be mad you didn't graduate top of your class... see what I'm getting at? Just smile listen, and run up that *****holes bill so you can pay back our 300k loan and support your ceo's salary 😉

Jokes aside just do it. The one pitfall - according to SDN - is the variability of DO clinical rotation sites. It sounds like you have to go out of your way to make sure you get what you want. But honestly what student, regardless of where you go to school, doesn't hate their administration and think they're nothing more than a waste of student tuition.

Anyways gl! U can so it and I'll even check out yo blog BC I feel bad.


Sorry to typos tablet typing sucks

Hey Bajastapler. Thank you for the informative response. You are right. If people are not happy with you, they still gonna try to find something "wrong" with you. No matter what school you went to.
Thanx for the "charity" blog checking. Now I feel bad for begging people to check it 🙂
 
Nurses don't care if you're a DO or MD, they just care if you know what the hell you are doing. The 2 letters behind your name don't grant you respect, you earn it by doing your job and doing it well.

That makes a lot of sense. Thanx
 
I am a DO. Do you know what the nurses call me. Doctor.
Do you know what the hospital administrators call me. Doctor
Do you know what the patients call me. Doctor.
Do you know what the allopathic attendings/consultants call me. Doctor.
Do you know what my attending contract I signed says at the top. Doctor.

As answered in many other threads. We are all physicians. I have no more respect for a Duke MD than a PCOM DO than a SABA US-IMG than a Indian trained FMG. You have to earn my respect regardless of your credentials. And I base that on how you take care of patients. thats is.
 
go shadow a DO; you'll see. I'm shadowing a DO ortho and he's well respected, so nope..no inequality there.
 
Well, to many pre-meds out there on SDN, a DO is a doctor that treats pneumonia with crushed herbs and flower petals and treats appendicitis with homogenized weasel dust. But the truth of the matter is, DO's and MD's are virtually identical. There are many people out there that will put down the DO degree and decry MD or die...these people most likely suffer from small penis syndrome. Both of the degrees earn you the title of "Physician", which is what we are all after. The stigma that DO's are lesser physicians is an ideal fueled by some MD's who have a false sense of superiority. Nurses don't care if you're a DO or MD, they just care if you know what the hell you are doing. The 2 letters behind your name don't grant you respect, you earn it by doing your job and doing it well.

Fixed it for ya 😉
 
How many more MD vs DO topics are going to keep popping up over here?
 
How many more MD vs DO topics are going to keep popping up over here?

I was going to say " You havent been around SDN for too long have you" But as a 2+ year member you should know the answer to that by now 😉
 
RESPECT!

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kvi7hcgc4yI[/YOUTUBE]
 
Do might not get much respect but they get more respect than fmg( img) MD.

...and as long as similar tropes get thrown around (do DO's police the above attitude as much as the MD vs DO perpetual motion machine on SDN?) there will continue to be a hierarchy, arbitrary and false or not. I think you're just reporting what you see, but it comes from the same well from which all similar debates spring.
 
...and as long as similar tropes get thrown around (do DO's police the above attitude as much as the MD vs DO perpetual motion machine on SDN?) there will continue to be a hierarchy, arbitrary and false or not. I think you're just reporting what you see, but it comes from the same well from which all similar debates spring.

👍
 
What's with the pre-meds posting threads here, and then being answered mostly by pre-meds?

This has been done to death. See "DO Disadvantages," a thread also on the first page of the Osteopathic subforum, for an honest discussion of what's probably the biggest obstacle you'd face as a DO.

As far as respect, my brother made a joke during a family dinner that I was "just going to be a DO." My aunt, who knew I was in medical school, then asked, "What's a DO?" That's an example of why people say it's less respected. Everyone knows about House, MD, and there was even that Newsweek article "Hero, MD," which was actually written about a DO urologist in the military.

I asked a friend who was applying to medical school the same time as I was if he was going to apply osteopathic as well. He told me he didn't want to just work with bones, so no.

And I once heard a nurse ask what a DO was after seeing it behind the emergency department attending's name. Two others also didn't know, and a nursing student then went on to explain that they don't like to give medicines. Meanwhile, nobody questioned his orders, and he was paid exactly the same as the other ED physicians. The lack of respect is typically just a lack of awareness, aside from the occasional goofball who assumes that going to an osteopathic medical school means you're dumber than all the kids who went allopathic.

The lack of respect from residency program directors, on the other hand, is something worth considering. And for that, I direct you to the thread I referenced earlier.
 
...and as long as similar tropes get thrown around (do DO's police the above attitude as much as the MD vs DO perpetual motion machine on SDN?) there will continue to be a hierarchy, arbitrary and false or not. I think you're just reporting what you see, but it comes from the same well from which all similar debates spring.


Well put
 
Respect is all about perception and its very difficult to measure. Do you respect yourself? That's what counts.

As far as patients, I've actually been surprised lately when I talked to friends of the family about medical school applications, several of them have actually realized that they had a physician who was a DO. I'm not surprised that they had a DO physician but I was surprised that they remembered that when I started to talk about the differences of the two schools. The interesting thing was that every single person said that they liked their physician who was a DO and felt they had a good bedside manner.
 
Hey guys. I read somewhere on SDN that D.O.'s don't get as much respect as MD's. I don't really understand what this means. (Please, don't make this a MD Vs D.O. thread).
Do nurses not listen to D.O. doctors?
Do they get paid less?
Do they have somebody check their work at the end of the day?
I'm sure the answer to all these questions is NO.
So, what do they exactly mean?
(I'm not trolling, I swear) I just wanna understand.

It sounds like you are, or you just joined SDN and haven't read a single thread in the forums, or you have never stepped foot into a hospital and therefore never talked at any length with any physician of any kind.

You need to shadow a DO in a hospital to answer these questions yourself.

I'm not sure this sounds like us being defensive, it's just rare for someone to come in here and not know a single thing about the degree and the profession it gives you. It's like someone asking what the difference between DMDs and DDS's are and then asking "Oh, but I mean no disrespect," if DMD's are like dental assistants who can't tell their head from their ass. Absolutely no one in any profession would respond well to that line of questioning.
 
I'm just struggling with the definition of respect. What does it mean?

This is respect:

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Or maybe he's ordering lunch. 😀
 
Do nurses not listen to D.O. doctors?
Do they get paid less?
Do they have somebody check their work at the end of the day?

Nurses listen to all physicians per 'doctor's orders' - it's their job.

Physicians (DO or MD) either compete for a position to be on contract for a hospital system, group, etc. or start their own practice or get involved in another business venture. Unless there is a situation in which prejudice arises, of which I have not encountered, everyone upon signing a contract makes the same as another competing physician for the same contract. Of course, you have to have good contract litigation.

Some physicians, namely those participating in Family Medicine and other OMM-friendly specialties can, if they choose to perform OMM on a number of their patients, make more than the average counterpart in their respective specialty. It all depends upon how many patients you see, what your contract entails, and your patient population. For example, if you have a large private insurance patient base you can make more money, while having a large Medaid patient base = 🙁 Those who perform OMM techniques on a large number of patients can bill for a higher amount than someone who does not perform OMM techniques on the same number of patients.

Your last question is just silly.
 
What's with the pre-meds posting threads here, and then being answered mostly by pre-meds?

This has been done to death. See "DO Disadvantages," a thread also on the first page of the Osteopathic subforum, for an honest discussion of what's probably the biggest obstacle you'd face as a DO.

As far as respect, my brother made a joke during a family dinner that I was "just going to be a DO." My aunt, who knew I was in medical school, then asked, "What's a DO?" That's an example of why people say it's less respected. Everyone knows about House, MD, and there was even that Newsweek article "Hero, MD," which was actually written about a DO urologist in the military.

I asked a friend who was applying to medical school the same time as I was if he was going to apply osteopathic as well. He told me he didn't want to just work with bones, so no.

And I once heard a nurse ask what a DO was after seeing it behind the emergency department attending's name. Two others also didn't know, and a nursing student then went on to explain that they don't like to give medicines. Meanwhile, nobody questioned his orders, and he was paid exactly the same as the other ED physicians. The lack of respect is typically just a lack of awareness, aside from the occasional goofball who assumes that going to an osteopathic medical school means you're dumber than all the kids who went allopathic.

The lack of respect from residency program directors, on the other hand, is something worth considering. And for that, I direct you to the thread I referenced earlier.

Man, I love this response. Well put indeed.
Thanks Druggernaut.
 
Your last question is just silly.

Hey BigSib. That wasn't really a question. It was my way of saying that D.O.'s are doctors too, so what the heck they are talking about.
Thank you for the answers. Very useful.
 
do you not have google?
 
I just had a conversation yesterday with someone who said "So you're going to be an eye doctor". After explaining that they're confusing DO with OD, and that I will be a fully licensed physician and an OD has very limited scope of practice and is limited to the eye... and we do residency, etc. ... 30 minutes later he said "so you're an eye doctor". WTH.
 
I just had a conversation yesterday with someone who said "So you're going to be an eye doctor". After explaining that they're confusing DO with OD, and that I will be a fully licensed physician and an OD has very limited scope of practice and is limited to the eye... and we do residency, etc. ... 30 minutes later he said "so you're an eye doctor". WTH.

I have a friend who constantly refers to me becoming an OD... he knows I'm going to become. A physician, he just gets the letters backwards all the time.
 
do you not have google?

No man. Didn't pay last month bill. They disconnected it from my internet.
Plus, I'm in China. Most of google results are illegal here anyway 🙂
 
I have a friend who constantly refers to me becoming an OD... he knows I'm going to become. A physician, he just gets the letters backwards all the time.

he's just jealous. don't mind him.
 
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