D.O schools, interviews, and acceptance.

[AlbinoHawk DO]

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c3.2/s3.6/27 - Lots of research, one publication, 2 years tutoring, Pre-SOMA leadership and standard shadowing/clinical & non-clinical volunteering.

Completed secondaries: SOMA, NYCOM, PCOM, OSUCOM, Touro-CA, Marian, Touro-NV and WesternU
Pre-interview rejection: SOMA
End of cycle w/no interview: Touro-CA
Withdrew before interview invite (February): NYCOM, PCOM and OSUCOM -- doubt they would have interviewed me anyway.
Interviews: MUCOM, WesternU, Touro-NV (didn't attend due to WesternU acceptance)
Attended interview: MUCOM, WesternU
Post-interview rejection: MUCOM
Acceptance: WesternU

EDiT: Forgot to add that I applied in late August.

 

[darklordzzz]

Applied to TUCOM-CA, TUNCOM, TouroCOM-NY, ATSU-SOMA, ATSU-KCOM, LECOM-E, LECOM-B, VCOM-VA, Western Pomona, MWU-CCOM, MWU-AZCOM, PNWU, MSUCOM, NSUCOM, PCOM
Accepted at TUNCOM and TouroCOM-NY (Middletown)
High waitlist TUCOM-CA, Waitlist LECOM-B
Rejected post interview PNWU, Western Pomona

No special ties. Non-trad. Graduated 2011 B.S. Chemistry. Have worked since I was in high school (Just had my last work day this week...Such a weird feeling).

EC:
About 200 hours shadowing
About 120 hours hospital volunteering
1 first author case report publication
Helped coordinate a pre-med conference (about 200 hours)

Work experience:
About 8250 hours - restaurant server
About 3000 hours - histology technician

wow you got in TuoroCOM-NY but got waitlisted at LECOM-B? why did this happened? I had the same MCAT as yours and did not plan to submit to tuoro-NY because their average MCAT is 30.8.

However, I really want to go to LECOM-B due to their inexpensive tuition.

Such a dilemma.

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

wow you got in TuoroCOM-NY but got waitlisted at LECOM-B? why did this happened? I had the same MCAT as yours and did not plan to submit to tuoro-NY because their average MCAT is 30.8.

However, I really want to go to LECOM-B due to their inexpensive tuition.

Such a dilemma.

Note that he got into the middletown campus. Harlem wouldn't be out of reach with a 27 but definitely harder to get into than middletown.

 

[darklordzzz]

Note that he got into the middletown campus. Harlem wouldn't be out of reach with a 27 but definitely harder to get into than middletown.

how do all these different campuses work? for LECOM it is separate,
for Western, there is pomona and lebanon, so you just put your preference on the secondaries?
for Tuoro-NY, there is middletown and harlem, and you just put your preference?
for PCOM, there is GA and the PCOM, and you just put your preference?

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

how do all these different campuses work? for LECOM it is separate,
for Western, there is pomona and lebanon, so you just put your preference on the secondaries?
for Tuoro-NY, there is middletown and harlem, and you just put your preference?
for PCOM, there is GA and the PCOM, and you just put your preference?

All of these statements are correct except the last one. PA vs GA are applied separately. The reason Western and Touro-NY have the preference application is because those campuses are not fully considered independent until COCA approves it. As of now, those campuses are technically the home campuses with a second location. Once they get approval, they will be fully independent.

 

[I<3MyCorgi]

wow you got in TuoroCOM-NY but got waitlisted at LECOM-B? why did this happened? I had the same MCAT as yours and did not plan to submit to tuoro-NY because their average MCAT is 30.8.

However, I really want to go to LECOM-B due to their inexpensive tuition.

Such a dilemma.

I put the Harlem campus as my first choice and Middletown as my second. Got Middletown. I heard LECOM-B was waitlisting a lot of people with MCAT<30. But who knows. LECOM-B wasn't for me anyways. Will be attending TUNCOM.

 

[darklordzzz]

All of these statements are correct except the last one. PA vs GA are applied separately. The reason Western and Touro-NY have the preference application is because those campuses are not fully considered independent until COCA approves it. As of now, those campuses are technically the home campuses with a second location. Once they get approval, they will be fully independent.

ohhh I see, but there is no disadvantage in attending those campuses that are not considered fully independent?

Since I they are not considered fully independent, they tend to take in lower stats compared to the home campuses? So picking Lebanon for WesternU and Middletown for Touro-NY can yield interviews easier compared to picking the home campuses?

 

[darklordzzz]

I put the Harlem campus as my first choice and Middletown as my second. Got Middletown. I heard LECOM-B was waitlisting a lot of people with MCAT<30. But who knows. LECOM-B wasn't for me anyways. Will be attending TUNCOM.

LECOM-E has higher stats than LECOM-B, idk if that is true since the previous threads, many got in early with MCAT <30. I think the MCAT<30 = waitlist is just a speculation. is LECOM a GPA school?....sigh there are so many factors though!

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

ohhh I see, but there is no disadvantage in attending those campuses that are not considered fully independent?

Since I they are not considered fully independent, they tend to take in lower stats compared to the home campuses? So picking Lebanon for WesternU and Middletown for Touro-NY can yield interviews easier compared to picking the home campuses?

No disadvantage whatsoever. If anything, it assures you that you'll be accredited no matter what by the end of your education.

You are correct in that they tend to be easier to get into, but I'd argue that's an effect of location. If say WesternU would open a med school in the heart of LA, SD or SF, more people would probably want to go there.

 

[darklordzzz]

No disadvantage whatsoever. If anything, it assures you that you'll be accredited no matter what by the end of your education.

You are correct in that they tend to be easier to get into, but I'd argue that's an effect of location. If say WesternU would open a med school in the heart of LA, SD or SF, more people would probably want to go there.

do you know anything about LECOM's admission stuff? THANKS!

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

do you know anything about LECOM's admission stuff? THANKS!

No, not really. I only know they give you a DO LOR if you don't have one. I knew one of the deans at LECOM-B, but I lost contact with him some time ago.

 

[deleted436726]

...they give you a DO LOR if you don't have one.

Could you elaborate on this?

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

Could you elaborate on this?

Just apply. Let them know you don't have a letter. They'll organize a lunch with a DO on interview day. That person will write you a letter to meet the requirement.

 

[darklordzzz]

No, not really. I only know they give you a DO LOR if you don't have one. I knew one of the deans at LECOM-B, but I lost contact with him some time ago.

in your opinion, do you consider LECOM-E and LECOM-B to be higher or lower than like Western-Lebanon and PCOM-GA and TUORO-NY (middletown)?
Thanks!

 

[darklordzzz]

Just apply. Let them know you don't have a letter. They'll organize a lunch with a DO on interview day. That person will write you a letter to meet the requirement.

yes, i think the same goes for VCOM.

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

in your opinion, do you consider LECOM-E and LECOM-B to be higher or lower than like Western-Lebanon and PCOM-GA and TUORO-NY (middletown)?
Thanks!

I never applied to them, so I don't think I can comment because I didn't put in the time to get to know them. I think ultimately you should go based on curriculum and where you desire to have residency since that area will be more familiar with graduates of those universities. Alternatively, you can rotate around the country if you want residency elsewhere and would probably be fine coming from any of those schools. Many people complain about the dress code and rules at LECOM. They even say that PBL is the equivalent to teaching yourself medicine, but you can't deny the price-tag makes it very attractive.

By the way, the curriculum at Western-OR is identical to Western-Pomona, so in my biased view I'd pick Western over all of them.

yes, i think the same goes for VCOM.

I've heard of that too.

 

[Thelonelyarab]

3.82/22 mcat, applied to 20 schools.

II at 3 (LUCOM/DCOM/AZCOM)
Accepted at 3 🙂

 

[darklordzzz]

3.82/22 mcat, applied to 20 schools.

II at 3 (LUCOM/DCOM/AZCOM)
Accepted at 3 🙂

did u get in LUCOM and DCOM early? what make u think result in such a successful application?
THanks!

 

[DoctorSynthesis]

did u get in LUCOM and DCOM early? what make u think result in such a successful application?
THanks!

That gpa and lucom being New and kinda bad has to be the reason. Who knows what the residency/comlex will be like. Plus that crazy religion.

 

[Thelonelyarab]

did u get in LUCOM and DCOM early? what make u think result in such a successful application?
THanks!

I was accepted to LUCOM early, I was waitlisted at DCOM, then taken off. I think my application stood out, I had some unique volunteering. And my essays were well-written.

 

[darklordzzz]

That gpa and lucom being New and kinda bad has to be the reason. Who knows what the residency/comlex will be like. Plus that crazy religion.

how much to an extent does a high GPA (like that 3.8) help re mediating the low MCAT (25-26)? and vice versa? a high MCAT (30) remediates a low GPA (3.1-3.2?
Thanks!

 

[darklordzzz]

I was accepted to LUCOM early, I was waitlisted at DCOM, then taken off. I think my application stood out, I had some unique volunteering. And my essays were well-written.

are u a URM? and special ties? how long is the time between DCOM waitlist and acceptance?

thanks and congratz!

 

[DoctorSynthesis]

how much to an extent does a high GPA (like that 3.8) help re mediating the low MCAT (25-26)? and vice versa? a high MCAT (30) remediates a low GPA (3.1-3.2?
Thanks!

At lucom the average was like 25 so 22 is low for them but not terribly low. I think with that 3.8 and a good interview and a good fit he could have defiently got in

 

[Chillywilly]

what schools are your 4 DO interview invites?...do you feel the interview did not go well that is why the waitlist happens?
your GPA is so high though.

I got other ii from: LECOM (E&B), TOURO-NY, CA, NV, Campbell, Rocky Vista, Rowan, DMU, Marian, and Meharry (MD).

Hmm, Idk why I got a lot of wait lists. I probably sounded rehearsed, or was rambling about dumb stuff lol.

 

[user3]

3.82/22 mcat, applied to 20 schools.

II at 3 (LUCOM/DCOM/AZCOM)
Accepted at 3 🙂

I remember being blasted not long ago for saying that with a 3.5-3.6 GPA, 22-23 MCAT is likely enough to get an acceptance if applying broadly...

 

[user3]

how much to an extent does a high GPA (like that 3.8) help re mediating the low MCAT (25-26)? and vice versa? a high MCAT (30) remediates a low GPA (3.1-3.2?
Thanks!

I strongly believe that with 3.2+/3.2+/24+ or 3.0+/3.0+/27+, and applying early and broadly, there will be a spot waiting for you somewhere.

 

[adriano710]

I applied to four schools in February.

1 Interview. 1 Acceptance.

Stats: 3.48 GPA, 26 MCAT.

What schools did you apply to and which accepted you?

 

[CSqueed]

wow that is a TON of ii's. what was your science GPA and EC's?

your numbers were right at the average for matriculants. I can't help but wonder why for MD, if you are right at the average (3.7/31-32), even with solid EC's it would take a miracle to get ii's from 15/23 schools. even if you carefully select your schools. (yet for DO this seems fairly common)

Because as much as ppl here like to deny it, DO schools are more about "If you got the numbers, throw them an interview" than the MDs who will mostly straight out reject most people with the average (3.7/31-32) stats.

 

[WastedTime]

Because as much as ppl here like to deny it, DO schools are more about "If you got the numbers, throw them an interview" than the MDs who will mostly straight out reject most people with the average (3.7/31-32) stats.

r u sitting on an adcoms we don't know about?

 

[CSqueed]

r u sitting on an adcoms we don't know about?

No. Check out the DO Waitlist thread vs the MD Waitlist thread.

 

[Buckeye1992]

7/8 at DO schools and 2/4 at MD. 3.75/31
ii to DMU, Rocky vista, LMU, Campbell, Nova, Lecom-B, KCOM, Toledo, Wright State.

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

I remember being blasted not long ago for saying that with a 3.5-3.6 GPA, 22-23 MCAT is likely enough to get an acceptance if applying broadly...

And you should have gotten blasted because getting in with a 22 is rare these days, and depending when it is in the cycle, it could become impossible. The consensus of criticism people have is that you overly embrace the few anecdotes where it turns out well while ignoring that is not the case for the majority of applicants with those stats.

 

[DoctorSynthesis]

And you should have gotten blasted because getting in with a 22 is rare these days, and depending when it is in the cycle, it could become impossible. The consensus of criticism people have is that you overly embrace the few anecdotes where it turns out well while ignoring that is not the case for the majority of applicants with those stats.

Yep I agree he should have been blasted.

A 22 is lethal.

However, I'm not suprised a school like liberty would accept a 22 considering he had a 3.8 and there average is 25

 

[user3]

And you should have gotten blasted because getting in with a 22 is rare these days, and depending when it is in the cycle, it could become impossible. The consensus of criticism people have is that you overly embrace the few anecdotes where it turns out well while ignoring that is not the case for the majority of applicants with those stats.

I might be splitting hairs here, but in that thread, my estimate assumed both early and broad application.

 

[user3]

anyone reading this that applied early and broadly, but did not gain an acceptance, please post your numbers/EC's.

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

I might be splitting hairs here, but in that thread, my estimate assumed both early and broad application.

anyone reading this that applied early and broadly, but did not gain an acceptance, please post your numbers/EC's.

And the problem is clearly seen right here. You put too much weight on anecdotal evidence. Even if you applied "early and broadly," it doesn't make sense that the MCAT averages across all schools range from 25 to 31. Class sizes are typically 150 to 200 students. You cannot get those averages by accepting large numbers of people with a 22 on the MCAT. I think a more realistic interpretation of what you're saying would be that, if you choose to apply with a 22, your chances are greatest by applying early and broadly. However, this is an empty correlation because across all MCAT scores you'll find greater possibilities of being accepted by applying early and broadly.

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

Yep I agree he should have been blasted.

A 22 is lethal.

However, I'm not suprised a school like liberty would accept a 22 considering he had a 3.8 and there average is 25

Exactly. Lets look at this chart for MD schools: http://edge.studentdoctor.net/wamc/White_Applicants.png

According to this, you have a 1 in 5 chances to get into an MD school with a 3.9/22. Is it realistic to tell people to apply with a 22? I'd say most definitely not. The number of people applying to MD with a 22 are vastly small and those accepted likely have other factors associated: family ties, regional applicants, incredible EC, lengthy work experience, etc. I'd argue that for 99% of people with a 3.9/22 the best advice is to retake the MCAT, so just telling these people they have 1 in 5 chances and nitpicking from those that make it is a very deceiving way to present the data.

 

[keels99]

What schools did you apply to and which accepted you?

Applied to:

ATSU-SOMA
KYCOM
LMU-DCOM
RVUCOM

Interviewed and accepted at ATSU-SOMA.

 

[WaterIsGood]

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[Thelonelyarab]

are u a URM? and special ties? how long is the time between DCOM waitlist and acceptance?

thanks and congratz!

Not a URM, nor do I have special ties anywhere. I got waitlisted at DCOM in February, and accepted in May. I declined LUCOM and DCOM.

 

[Thelonelyarab]

I remember being blasted not long ago for saying that with a 3.5-3.6 GPA, 22-23 MCAT is likely enough to get an acceptance if applying broadly...

I do think that a 22-23 applying broadly with a high GPA has a shot at places. You just have to have some great EC's. I'm grateful for the acceptances I received. They weren't easy to come by.

 

[DoctorSynthesis]

I do think that a 22-23 applying broadly with a high GPA has a shot at places. You just have to have some great EC's. I'm grateful for the acceptances I received. They weren't easy to come by.

 

[Anicetus]

Exactly. Lets look at this chart for MD schools: http://edge.studentdoctor.net/wamc/White_Applicants.png

According to this, you have a 1 in 5 chances to get into an MD school with a 3.9/22. Is it realistic to tell people to apply with a 22? I'd say most definitely not. The number of people applying to MD with a 22 are vastly small and those accepted likely have other factors associated: family ties, regional applicants, incredible EC, lengthy work experience, etc. I'd argue that for 99% of people with a 3.9/22 the best advice is to retake the MCAT, so just telling these people they have 1 in 5 chances and nitpicking from those that make it is a very deceiving way to present the data.

I think you guys are both right. User3 is correct in that if you apply SMART (Early and BROAD) you can latch at LEAST one acceptance from somewhere who gave you a chance to prove yourself at the interview with a 3.5/22. It doesn't mean they are a shoe in at every school. But, let's just say they apply to 20 schools and 5 of them are low tier/new DO schools, the chances are high they will get a chance to prove themselves at one of those low ones.

On the other hand, yes, a 3.9/22 should not be advised to apply to MDs, despite that chart giving it a 1/5 chance. A 3.9/22 isn't a popular combination, but anyhow it may not be a smart gamble with a year of your life and application fees. Despite myself getting into MD, I would (hypocritically, if you must) NOT advise someone to apply to MD with a 6 in VR as a non ESL.

To contribute to the thread: 3.6cgpa, 3.75sgpa, 31(14/6/11) accepted to 7 DO schools 2 MD schools. Message me if you want more specifics as I feel with my particular stats I could be at risk for identity by schools.

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

To contribute to the thread: 3.6cgpa, 3.75sgpa, 31(14/6/11) accepted to 7 DO schools 2 MD schools. Message me if you want more specifics as I feel with my particular stats I could be at risk for identity by schools.

Would you mind sharing if they were In-State MD schools? If not, what state?

 

[Anicetus]

Would you mind sharing if they were In-State MD schools? If not, what state?

I am a CA resident. The UC med schools probably laughed at me, although I got love from Touro-CA and WesternU. So, no, they were not in-state MD. They were OOS and although it would be nice to make a post about not ever giving up your dream of getting into an MD with a 6 subsection score, it is unrealistic at the end of the day and I wouldn't wish the $$ gamble on anyone.

 

[user3]

Applied: Western U, PCOM/PCOM- GA, Touro-Ny, CCOM, AZCOM, Nova, OUHCOM, ACOM, ROWAN,

Interviews: PCOM-GA, ROWAN, OUHCOM, ACOM, TOURO-Ny

Waitlisted: OUHCOM

Accepted: PCOM-GA, ACOM. Didn't attend touro interview.

Stats. 3.5 gpa, 28 MCAT, URM.

Also interviewed at 4 MD schools.

where will you be attending? and were you OOS for OU and Rowan?

 

[WaterIsGood]

where will you be attending? and were you OOS for OU and Rowan?

As of right now, I'll be attending PCOM.

And I was OOS at both Rowan and OU.

 

[legacydoctor]

I've got a couple of questions for those of you that got accepted to one or more schools:

1) Did you apply early (June/July)?
2) Would applying to my schools of choice now with ~3.5 gpa/20 mcat and indicating that I will retake in September be less or more beneficial than applying in October after I get my MCAT retake scores back?

I've gotten varying responses to my second question before so I'd love some more feedback!

 

[drhouse107]

Applied to: 5
Interviews: 3
Acceptances: 2 (UNECOM, NYIT)
Waitlist: 1 (TUCOM-CA)

28/29 MCAT, ~3.3s, 3.7c