Dartmouth Anyone??

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superdevil said:
i just felt that now was an appropriate time to pause the thread and profusely thank TheRussian and DMBUGA34 for all their help in answering my endless questions. you guys rule 👍


No prob! I realized last year that there are a ton of things people don't know about DMS (largely because we're far away from everyone), lots of misconceptions, and sometimes some bashing on SDN (thanks to usnews and being an ivy) so I want to make sure that everyone knows what it's like here before deciding to attend or not attend.
 
biggreen05 said:
i'm an undergrad at dartmouth currently and i don't think we're quite that bad. in fact, one of the main factors in my considering to stay here for another 4 years would be how awesome they can be, especially when it comes to doing things like running outdoors programs that are pretty open to the community. that's been a pretty important part of my life here and i'm pretty sure i (or anyone else into hiking and what not) could do that in a more rewarding fashion here than at bigger,more impersonal institutions.

i don't think i'd be up for hanging with frat row types anymore, but it wouldn't be a factor anyways as the only people you'd see near the med school would be maybe a few bio kids.
ok, so i was exaggerating a bit. i'm sure its no worse than any other comparable college. i was just reporting what i observed for the few days i was there to walk around. i know there won't be any of the surfer-dudes hanging around the med school, but still, main street seemed to be swimming with them.
 
just some more small questions for TheRussian and DMBUGA34...

dartmouth never really talked about the cirriculum very much. what is a typical day for you guys (i.e., when do you start, when do you finish)? is attendence to lectures at all mandatory? what is the grading system and how are your tests given (test blocks or staggered schedule, etc)? are you happy with the ciriculum?

thanks again.
 
Just got waitlisted. ARgh. This was the last thing I wanted. I'd rather be flat out rejected than deal with this uncertainty. The information accompanying my letter said that the list is unranked. Yet a friend's friend was on the waitlist some time ago and was told what "tier" she was in. DMBUGA or The Russian do you have any insider knowledge on this?
 
WAITLISTED! 👎 But I am not too upset yet. For some strange reason I am still hopeful.

Pookie:
I am pretty much 100% sure the waitlist is NOT ranked. Good luck with getting off the waitlist. Maybe we can stage a coup of those accepted to get off the list.
 
I got rejected today. Pretty disappointing. I was totally expecting to get waitlisted but...oh well. I thought I had a good conversation with one of my interviewers. Did any of you guys submit letters of interest/intent to Dartmouth right after your interviews? Just wondering. (Not that it matters anymore.)
 
Woa... Sorry guys... 🙁 I haven't heard back yet, but I guess the evil letter is in its way. People at Penn are utterly incompetent when it comes to distributing the mail on campus. So, I'll probably get my decision in a few days. I'm not expecting to be accepted - waitlisted at best. But, I'm still excited to finally get some sort of "closure." <sigh>
 
superdevil said:
just some more small questions for TheRussian and DMBUGA34...

dartmouth never really talked about the cirriculum very much. what is a typical day for you guys (i.e., when do you start, when do you finish)? is attendence to lectures at all mandatory? what is the grading system and how are your tests given (test blocks or staggered schedule, etc)? are you happy with the ciriculum?

thanks again.

Here's where the school explains the curriculum:

http://dms.dartmouth.edu/ed_programs/mdprog.shtml

Our days are different every week and we're out by noon most of the time.

Every other Thursday we have "On Doctoring" class which is were we learn interviewing techniques, the physical exam, and speakers come in to talk about their professions or their problems with alcohol/cancer etc.... For example, on our last On Doctoring we had an ex orthopedic surgeon talk about how alcoholism cost him his practice. He's finally alcohol free and will work on medical statistics and computer programs at UF starting next year. Tommorrow we're having a special presentation on the undergrad campus called "crossing the border" and I have no clue what it's about. After the 1hr presentation we break up into smaller groups and practice what we learned, do ethics presentations, or work on patients that have volunteered (usually from the nursing home). This is the class that keeps us in school until 5pm once every other week. Also, once every other week (the week when you're not doing On Doctoring), you have to visit your preceptor so you won't get home until around 5 then too.

First Year: Besides On Doctoring, you'd be taking 4 classes a trimester, and the schedule varies. They like to start you off with the basic sciences before integrating everything in a systems based format your 2nd year. PBL doesn't start until second year either. It's mostly lecture, although there is plenty of small group, problem working sessions, clinical correlations and conference stuff to not let it get too boring. That and since our schedule's different every day the routine doesn't get boring. They don't take attendance except for in some of the endocrinology small group conferences. Bio also gives us extra credit for going over a research papers, answering questions about it, and going over it in small group, so they'll take attendance for that. You'll spend more time in class your first year since 1) you'll have some afternoon classes (usually 2 hrs of bio) and 2)people are hesitant to skip (seriously, bio gives such great notes that you won't have to go unless you want to....the same for a few courses and some lecturers). That first semester you'll also have some days when you don't have to show up until 9am and a couple of times not until 10am.

First semester - Bio(genetics)/Anat/Hist/Phys(heart,lungs) with Anat and Hist labs.
Second - Bio(met)/Anat/Micro(Immuno,Virology)/Phys(Kidney, Endo) with Anat lab.
Third - Neuroscience/Micro(bacteriology)/Pathology/ Biostatics & Epidemiology (we don't do this last two until later in the year, so right now I'm taking 3 classes).

Testing: That first semester you'll have a "quizzes" every other Monday. All 4 classes at the same time (around 20 questions per class). They used to not give quizzes and only finals at the end of the semester, but people didn't like that. They might seem like a pain in the butt, but they worked wonders in getting me acclimated to med school and keeping up with stuff. Since it's only 2 weeks of information per quiz, you'll learn that you'll pretty much have 1.5 weeks of freedom and then 4 or 5 days of intense studying and you'll do fine.

Second and Third semesters you'll have quizzes every 3 weeks. Second semester you end up having 4 quizzes + finals, Third you have 3 quizzes + finals. Quiz worth varies. For some classes, quizzes combined only count for half your grade, for others it's 70%. The Finals are given in the same week, 4 in 5 days. They come before Thanksgiving, before Spring break, and at the end of the year.

Second Year: I can't tell you too much since I haven't gone through it, but I know that they don't have quizzes and just take finals, although their year is not divided into semesters. They end up taking 6 finals all year I believe and their finals are from Monday - Wednesday, then they take the rest of the week off. Classes are systems based and they start PBL. I guess I would have to refer you to the link on this one.

Grading: H/P/F We had a vote on whether to change it to just P/F but it ended up being around 50/50 so H/P/F is staying. Grades your first 2 years won't matter too much (first year mattering the least) so there's not much reason to worry.

Personally I like the curriculum because it gives me tons of free time. Some people like to work a little each day (some work a lot). I like to take a couple of weeks off before I start studying for quizzes. I also like that many lectures are skipable so that I can get good sleep (my apt can be loud until late). My only problem is that after the first 3 quizzes that first semester, when you think you're settled and your study habits have improved, you start to get tired of having a quiz every other week. Second and Third semesters are so much better

Hope I covered everything, and sorry to all those wait listed. People like to drop out if they don't like their award letter or when they finally have to choose 1 school, so keep your hopes up if you really want to come here. Let them know how interested you are!
 
DMBUGA34 said:
Here's where the school explains the curriculum:

http://dms.dartmouth.edu/ed_programs/mdprog.shtml

Our days are different every week and we're out by noon most of the time.

Every other Thursday we have "On Doctoring" class which is were we learn interviewing techniques, the physical exam, and speakers come in to talk about their professions or their problems with alcohol/cancer etc.... For example, on our last On Doctoring we had an ex orthopedic surgeon talk about how alcoholism cost him his practice. He's finally alcohol free and will work on medical statistics and computer programs at UF starting next year. Tommorrow we're having a special presentation on the undergrad campus called "crossing the border" and I have no clue what it's about. After the 1hr presentation we break up into smaller groups and practice what we learned, do ethics presentations, or work on patients that have volunteered (usually from the nursing home). This is the class that keeps us in school until 5pm once every other week. Also, once every other week (the week when you're not doing On Doctoring), you have to visit your preceptor so you won't get home until around 5 then too.

First Year: Besides On Doctoring, you'd be taking 4 classes a trimester, and the schedule varies. They like to start you off with the basic sciences before integrating everything in a systems based format your 2nd year. PBL doesn't start until second year either. It's mostly lecture, although there is plenty of small group, problem working sessions, clinical correlations and conference stuff to not let it get too boring. That and since our schedule's different every day the routine doesn't get boring. They don't take attendance except for in some of the endocrinology small group conferences. Bio also gives us extra credit for going over a research papers, answering questions about it, and going over it in small group, so they'll take attendance for that. You'll spend more time in class your first year since 1) you'll have some afternoon classes (usually 2 hrs of bio) and 2)people are hesitant to skip (seriously, bio gives such great notes that you won't have to go unless you want to....the same for a few courses and some lecturers). That first semester you'll also have some days when you don't have to show up until 9am and a couple of times not until 10am.

First semester - Bio(genetics)/Anat/Hist/Phys(heart,lungs) with Anat and Hist labs.
Second - Bio(met)/Anat/Micro(Immuno,Virology)/Phys(Kidney, Endo) with Anat lab.
Third - Neuroscience/Micro(bacteriology)/Pathology/ Biostatics & Epidemiology (we don't do this last two until later in the year, so right now I'm taking 3 classes).

Testing: That first semester you'll have a "quizzes" every other Monday. All 4 classes at the same time (around 20 questions per class). They used to not give quizzes and only finals at the end of the semester, but people didn't like that. They might seem like a pain in the butt, but they worked wonders in getting me acclimated to med school and keeping up with stuff. Since it's only 2 weeks of information per quiz, you'll learn that you'll pretty much have 1.5 weeks of freedom and then 4 or 5 days of intense studying and you'll do fine.

Second and Third semesters you'll have quizzes every 3 weeks. Second semester you end up having 4 quizzes + finals, Third you have 3 quizzes + finals. Quiz worth varies. For some classes, quizzes combined only count for half your grade, for others it's 70%. The Finals are given in the same week, 4 in 5 days. They come before Thanksgiving, before Spring break, and at the end of the year.

Second Year: I can't tell you too much since I haven't gone through it, but I know that they don't have quizzes and just take finals, although their year is not divided into semesters. They end up taking 6 finals all year I believe and their finals are from Monday - Wednesday, then they take the rest of the week off. Classes are systems based and they start PBL. I guess I would have to refer you to the link on this one.

Grading: H/P/F We had a vote on whether to change it to just P/F but it ended up being around 50/50 so H/P/F is staying. Grades your first 2 years won't matter too much (first year mattering the least) so there's not much reason to worry.

Personally I like the curriculum because it gives me tons of free time. Some people like to work a little each day (some work a lot). I like to take a couple of weeks off before I start studying for quizzes. I also like that many lectures are skipable so that I can get good sleep (my apt can be loud until late). My only problem is that after the first 3 quizzes that first semester, when you think you're settled and your study habits have improved, you start to get tired of having a quiz every other week. Second and Third semesters are so much better

Hope I covered everything, and sorry to all those wait listed. People like to drop out if they don't like their award letter or when they finally have to choose 1 school, so keep your hopes up if you really want to come here. Let them know how interested you are!
thanks for the great post/link. 👍

its cool that you guys get out at noon most days, because i also value my free time! the quizzes do sound like a great way to become acclimated to med school, but they also sound like they'd become really tedious in certain subjects. i am a little surprised that the students didn't vote for the true P/F system, but maybe i only feel that way because its my personal preference.

anyway, thanks again.

and good luck to all on the waitlist!!
 
Does anyone know how the waitlist system works? The admissions office and their form insisted the list is not ranked but I can't believe that. How then do they determine who to call when a spot opens up? The only thing I can think is that whoever has the most calls and letters put in is the first one they'll think of when a spot opens.

Also, what has waitlist movement been like in the past? I know it varies year to year but what is that range? Will it be likely that 2 spots open up or 10? And how big is the waitlist roughly?
 
I've just been waitlisted, too. Although DMS said during the interview day that the WL was small and selective, it seems like a bunch of folks here have been waitlisted. In other words, it seems to be larger than they let on at the interview. Any insight would be appreciated.

pookiegirl, I definitely share your feeling of being in limbo - it almost would be better to receive the old rejection letter.
 
Sorry Starfruit. 🙁 I still haven't received anything, but it seems like everybody either got rejected or waitlisted... I'm expecting no better.

As far as I the waitlist is concerned, I remember them saying that it's unranked and small. Looks like bs to me, because I know very few people here (on SDN) and outside who have been accepted. Most people seem to get waitlisted.

I also read on another thread (I think it was from last year, but I'm not sure) that their waitlist is unranked because they go by "types." So, they have different "types" of people that they want in their class. Let's say that a person "type A" drops his/her accpetance, the adcoms then look at every "type A" person in the waitlist and pick one. I remember that the person who wrote that post used the analogy of a play with actors. So, if actor A drops his spot, they move to the waitlist and pick someone to replace actor A. I have no idea if this is true or not, but I have heard the story several times...

Of course, I never really understood what the different "types" were... Type A= International students, Type B= Non-trad... ???? I dunno... 😕

So, guys, just to increase my stress level, is the evil envelope thin - regardless of what the decision inside is (waitlisted, rejected, accepted)? Thanx
 
KiKat37 said:
As far as I the waitlist is concerned, I remember them saying that it's unranked and small. Looks like bs to me, because I know very few people here (on SDN) and outside who have been accepted. Most people seem to get waitlisted.
i don't think that's necessarily a fair way of looking at it. i realize that there haven't been many acceptances posted on SDN (i can only think of 4-5), but really, how many people do you think an ivy league school with a class size of 65 needs to accept? most schools say they need to accept approx. 2x their class size to fill a class, so that's what, 130 acceptances? that's not very many. also, they don't interview that many people compared to most schools.

i guess my point is that even though it seems they waitlist a high percentage of interviewees, that actual number is still quite small.
 
superdevil said:
i don't think that's necessarily a fair way of looking at it. i realize that there haven't been many acceptances posted on SDN (i can only think of 4-5), but really, how many people do you think an ivy league school with a class size of 65 needs to accept? most schools say they need to accept approx. 2x their class size to fill a class, so that's what, 130 acceptances? that's not very many. also, they don't interview that many people compared to most schools.

i guess my point is that even though it seems they waitlist a high percentage of interviewees, that actual number is still quite small.

i would have to agree with this. if you look at the total number of applicants (~5000) to begin with, the total number on the waitlist is going to be relatively small.

and to kikat: the envelope i received (waitlist) was a standard letter envelope (small and fairly thin). it had 2 sheets of paper in it (one to explain the waitlist and i guess to supposedly comfort me).
 
has anyone else who has been accepted received their financial aid package yet? crazyvladif seems to have gotten his quite a while ago. when i was at the financial aid office on 4/8, they said my file was be processed. how long does it take to determine someone's aid, anyway? as of 4/17, still nothing...
 
I know the DMS financial aid is "strictly need-based," but this web-page suggests otherwise.

http://dms.dartmouth.edu/support/support.shtml

It's a statement on opportunities for alumni financial contributions. Check out the part on "Scholarships," about half-way down. Does this mean there IS merit based money to be had?

DMBUGA/TheRussian, you know anything about this?
 
crazyvladif said:
I know the DMS financial aid is "strictly need-based," but this web-page suggests otherwise.

http://dms.dartmouth.edu/support/support.shtml

It's a statement on opportunities for alumni financial contributions. Check out the part on "Scholarships," about half-way down. Does this mean there IS merit based money to be had?

DMBUGA/TheRussian, you know anything about this?

I don't know anything about that
 
I finally got my letter! Waitlisted... :laugh:

I'm 95% sure I'll withdraw. The more I think about it, the more I feel like it's not worth it for me. I didn't like DMS enough to go through the miserable experience of the waitlist.

Gluck to those of you still waiting and congrats to those of you accepted and def. going to DMS! :luck: 👍
 
When did you interview KiKat?
 
I am starting to go crazy!! I interviewed beginning of January and I have not heard a peep from the admissions. :scared: Why does it take so long!!!! I hope they aren't making me wait this long just to reject me! Ok. I'm done venting. No wait...AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH Ok. Now I'm done.
 
For those of you interested, this is where the Dartmouth - Brown people matched:

Dermatology
Mayo
Family
Oregon H&S
Arizona
Internal Med
UCSF
Harvard
Mt. Sinai
Tufts
UCDavis
Neurology
Harvard
Peds
UCONN
Radiology
UCLA
Penn St
 
DMBUGA34 said:
For those of you interested, this is where the Dartmouth - Brown people matched:

Dermatology
Mayo
Family
Oregon H&S
Arizona
Internal Med
UCSF
Harvard
Mt. Sinai
Tufts
UCDavis
Neurology
Harvard
Peds
UCONN
Radiology
UCLA
Penn St

damn! that is pretty impressive!
 
sorry to hear so many folks have been waitlisted. i know that the second look day is may 6-7, so perhaps that will help a number of accepted people make up their minds and will potentially open up more spaces for wait-listed folks.

good luck all.
 
crazyvladif said:
I know the DMS financial aid is "strictly need-based," but this web-page suggests otherwise.

http://dms.dartmouth.edu/support/support.shtml

It's a statement on opportunities for alumni financial contributions. Check out the part on "Scholarships," about half-way down. Does this mean there IS merit based money to be had?

DMBUGA/TheRussian, you know anything about this?

It's all need based. Even if it's a scholarship, it's still doled out on the basis of financial need. DMS does not give out merit-based scholarships. Can I say it any other way? 😉
 
crazyvladif said:
One other thing I should say -- my parents have a pretty high net worth, but most of it's in this retirement fund that can't be touched. Still, it was reported on the Need Access report. They've said they'd pitch in a couple of thousand, but nothing significant -- and at this point in the game, i wouldn't expect them to.

Also, I never worked out of undergrad -- In fact, I made an effort to graduate in three years so i wouldn't have to take a year off for work.

I hope they'll reconsider my loan eligibility, otherwise this isn't practical. As for where I'm headed, probably Madison, but I'm still waiting on Pitt's package, too. However, I'm freaking out about spending undergrad, med, then getting locked into a madison residency. That scares me.

You're always eligable for loans through the federal government (Stafford, etc). They don't specifically state that choice on the financial aid award letter - I'm not sure why. I about died when I saw my original award 1st year. It said I needed to come up with $20,000. However, I came to realize that all I had to do was call the finaid office and they hooked me up with the Staffords. The only thing is that there's a cap on federal loans (I think it's upwards of $30,000?). As long as you're willing to take out loans, you're going to be able to come up with what you need for medical school. There aren't many people who can come up with the "expected family contribution" without loan help.

Don't freak out, call Nancy Cirone and explain the situation.
 
I was reading the waitlist thread and it indicated that acceptances off the waitlist are given out over the phone. does anyone know what happens if they call and can't reach you? do they leave a message? call back? give up and move on to the next person? i am afraid that if i am working they will call someone else and leave me behind. is this true?
 
mdsadler said:
I was reading the waitlist thread and it indicated that acceptances off the waitlist are given out over the phone. does anyone know what happens if they call and can't reach you? do they leave a message? call back? give up and move on to the next person? i am afraid that if i am working they will call someone else and leave me behind. is this true?

LOL. I think you might be too worked up about this. However, It would be a good idea to keep them updated w/ contact info as it changes. You could call them and give them a family member's or friend's phone number, in case they can't reach you.
 
On another note, I talked to Anne today and she said that most decisions would be mailed out within the next week. So, if you haven't heard from DMS since interview time, it might be a good time to start harassing the mailman.
 
Im trying to decide between the Brown-Dartmouth program and Boston University. Does anyone have any advice on the matter?

I went to Dartmouth undergrad, and I loved it. But im kind of ready to move on to somewhere else. I really like the Brown-Dartmouth program, the opportunity to go to Harvard School of Public Health, and the match list is great....but BU has a solid program and the resources in Boston are good.

what to do?
 
rme04 said:
Im trying to decide between the Brown-Dartmouth program and Boston University. Does anyone have any advice on the matter?

I went to Dartmouth undergrad, and I loved it. But im kind of ready to move on to somewhere else. I really like the Brown-Dartmouth program, the opportunity to go to Harvard School of Public Health, and the match list is great....but BU has a solid program and the resources in Boston are good.

what to do?
well, you will be moving on if you choose the brown-dartmouth program, just 2 years later. 😉

the general consensus i seem to gather from SDN is that BU will cost you much more in the short-term than dartmouth, so that is likely something to consider as well. as far as resources, clinically speaking, rhode island hospital is huge and has a lot going for it. the only 'con' in terms of choosing dartmouth would be that boston is nicer (and, dare i say it, less expensive 😀 ) than hanover!

good luck on the choice!
 
domukin said:
On another note, I talked to Anne today and she said that most decisions would be mailed out within the next week. So, if you haven't heard from DMS since interview time, it might be a good time to start harassing the mailman.

i have heard from them and have been waitlisted. this is why i am somewhat worked up (i completely admit to this and hearing it here made me laugh). i really am hoping for a dartmouth acceptance so i want to be sure that nothing is messed up.
 
rme04 said:
Im trying to decide between the Brown-Dartmouth program and Boston University. Does anyone have any advice on the matter?

I went to Dartmouth undergrad, and I loved it. But im kind of ready to move on to somewhere else. I really like the Brown-Dartmouth program, the opportunity to go to Harvard School of Public Health, and the match list is great....but BU has a solid program and the resources in Boston are good.

what to do?

I've learned recently from 4th yrs, administrative people, and a little old lady at Lou's that worked at DMS when the D-B thing started, that the Dartmouth people are loved at Brown. Apparently some of the Brown students, who are there 7 or 8 yrs, get a little spoiled (they've asked to change the surgery rotations because they're "too hard") and cocky (MCAT and application process can be humbling). The Dartmouth guys come in and not only outwork them, but also get along better with the hospital staff. Thanks to their great rep in the Brown hospitals, which leads to strong LORs, the Dartmouth-Brown people usually match very well . . . and on average better than the 7-8 yr Brown folks.

The only downside,besides leaving the rest of us, is that it takes them longer to get to know the Dean at Brown (matching is all about connections)

For comparison, here's the only other D-B list I have

2003 D-B

Derm - Brown
Fam - Columbia (NYP), Tripler Army
Internal - UPenn,Yale, UMass
Ob/Gyn - Harvard (BID), Harvard (BWH)
Ortho - Brown
Rad - Brown
Surgery - Harvard (BWH)

BU and Dartmouth/Brown are very different. From class size/composition, to locations, cost (BU is definitely more expensive than DMS), and overall learning environment. Where do you think you'll fit in better? Goodluck!
 
[QUOTE/]The Dartmouth guys come in and not only outwork them, but also get along better with the hospital staff. Thanks to their great rep in the Brown hospitals, which leads to strong LORs, the Dartmouth-Brown people usually match very well . . . [/QUOTE]

My student interviewer at Dartmouth recommended not doing the D-B program unless you know people in the area (family, significant other etc.) Being so busy with rotations, I guess it's hard to meet people, so the quality of life is not good. But that's probably why they work so hard and then match well.
 
fishtacos said:
My student interviewer at Dartmouth recommended not doing the D-B program unless you know people in the area (family, significant other etc.) Being so busy with rotations, I guess it's hard to meet people, so the quality of life is not good. But that's probably why they work so hard and then match well.


Personally I recommend Dartmouth over D-B (I'm biased since that's what I'm doing), but there are plenty of good reasons to do D-B. The Brown students have been together for 5 or 6 years, so yea, it's harder to make good friends with them, and break into their cliques, especially during the busy 3rd year; but the DMS guys are not coming in alone. They're coming in with 14 other Dartmouth students that they know very well. I haven't heard any major complaints about the quality of life at Brown, most seem to like it.

Some Reasons to do D-B:
Like the poster, did undergrad at Dartmouth and want a change - Are from Rhode Island - Have family in Rhode Island - Have significant others who might have trouble finding a job in Hanover - Have significant others arlready in Providence or Boston - Just want to be in a city for clinicals - Are from the city and think that 2 yrs of living in the Upper Valley are enough - Want to match at Brown because they want to live in Providence (which is much more affordable and safer than Boston or NYC) - Like moving around
 
So, what was the revisit weekend like? Were there any rumblings regarding potential waitlist movement/were most people definitely heading to DMS in the fall/etc...; what was the vibe from the potential 2009ers?

Also, for DMBUGA, the Russian, and other current DMS students -- are you guys at Dartmouth because your state schools didn't come through for you, or did you pick DMS over your state schools? Just wondering because, if taken off the waitlist at DMS, I'll have to make the latter decision and it would be a tough one financially, to the tune of ~$30K over four years. Just wondering if it would be worth it, even if I like Dartmouth more. Not anticipating any finaid help at either place. Thanks.
 
starfruit said:
So, what was the revisit weekend like? Were there any rumblings regarding potential waitlist movement/were most people definitely heading to DMS in the fall/etc...; what was the vibe from the potential 2009ers?

Also, for DMBUGA, the Russian, and other current DMS students -- are you guys at Dartmouth because your state schools didn't come through for you, or did you pick DMS over your state schools? Just wondering because, if taken off the waitlist at DMS, I'll have to make the latter decision and it would be a tough one financially, to the tune of ~$30K over four years. Just wondering if it would be worth it, even if I like Dartmouth more. Not anticipating any finaid help at either place. Thanks.

There were about 35 - 40 people there for revisit weekend, and I'd say that about 75% were definitely coming. A lot of people were spending their time up here looking for housing and meeting possible new roommates. I was only able to meet about 15 of the revisit people during the party Friday night, but my roommates would also agree with what I've said (they took part in some of the revisit activities during the day and met more people). The future 2009's seem like a very fun, accomplished, and balanced group.

My roomates and I all got into our state schools (TheRussian's one of my roommates), and those schools were MCG, UMass, UNC and PSU. Wait for your financial aid letter before you make your choice, but chances are you'll still have to pay a little more to come here.

Goodluck!
 
DMBUGA34 said:

Hey DMBUGA,
I read on the above post that Surgery at Dartmouth is excellent. At this point in the game I am strongly considering Surgery and would appreciate any additional info about Surgery at Dartmouth. What makes the Surgery program so strong and how well are Dartmouth students prepared for residency positions (ie how good are the surgical residency positions)? I am Canadian so I don't really know the differences in which schools are better for what types of programs when it comes to residencies. Any help would be great.

Thanks.
 
mdsadler said:
Hey DMBUGA,
I read on the above post that Surgery at Dartmouth is excellent. At this point in the game I am strongly considering Surgery and would appreciate any additional info about Surgery at Dartmouth. What makes the Surgery program so strong and how well are Dartmouth students prepared for residency positions (ie how good are the surgical residency positions)? I am Canadian so I don't really know the differences in which schools are better for what types of programs when it comes to residencies. Any help would be great.

Thanks.

Since I'm only a first year, most of what I know comes from 3rd and 4th years, so it's not first hand info.

Apparently the 3rd year rotation is awsome, people are treated very well and the teaching is great. We have some amazing faculty members in surgery, like the top vascular surgeon in the US. We used to have clerkship sites in Cooperstown, NY and somewhere else (I think Hartsford, CT), but we dropped those because the ones rotating at Dartmouth were doing much better. Now everyone does their surgery rotation at the DHMC.

I don't know any more specifics, but those who have been through the surgery rotations here think very highly about them.
 
DMBUGA34 said:
Since I'm only a first year, most of what I know comes from 3rd and 4th years, so it's not first hand info.

Apparently the 3rd year rotation is awsome, people are treated very well and the teaching is great. We have some amazing faculty members in surgery, like the top vascular surgeon in the US. We used to have clerkship sites in Cooperstown, NY and somewhere else (I think Hartsford, CT), but we dropped those because the ones rotating at Dartmouth were doing much better. Now everyone does their surgery rotation at the DHMC.

I don't know any more specifics, but those who have been through the surgery rotations here think very highly about them.


That is good to hear. Well I will see my fellow classmates this Fall. I didn't go to 2nd look weekend because it is too far away from the West Coast.
 
DMBUGA34 said:
Since I'm only a first year, most of what I know comes from 3rd and 4th years, so it's not first hand info.

Apparently the 3rd year rotation is awsome, people are treated very well and the teaching is great. We have some amazing faculty members in surgery, like the top vascular surgeon in the US. We used to have clerkship sites in Cooperstown, NY and somewhere else (I think Hartsford, CT), but we dropped those because the ones rotating at Dartmouth were doing much better. Now everyone does their surgery rotation at the DHMC.

I don't know any more specifics, but those who have been through the surgery rotations here think very highly about them.

What do you know about Dartmouth residency programs? Do they usually take DMS students or students from other east coast med schools? Is there a very high proportion from the west coast??....(What about for surgery residency or some of the most competitive specialties?) Thanks alot
 
locks said:
What do you know about Dartmouth residency programs? Do they usually take DMS students or students from other east coast med schools? Is there a very high proportion from the west coast??....(What about for surgery residency or some of the most competitive specialties?) Thanks alot


I don't know very much about the residency programs here. The residents seem to come from everywhere, and they're a crazy bunch. Great soccer players too.

Most DMS students want to leave the area after 4 years and go to a city, or back home to where they're from, so most residents come from places other than Dartmouth. There are a higher proportion that stay to do the super competitive stuff (derm, plastics) and surgery.
 
What is it like to have 3 or 4 courses going on simultaneously, rather than a 'block' schedule as is present at some other schools during the first two years? Is it hard to keep up? Are profs fairly clear regarding their expectations, etc.?

DMBUGA, thanks for your response to my earlier question.
 
The 2005-6 budget looks rather paltry for living expenses. Especially rent. $6000 for ten months including utilities. Do people actually stick to this?

I have some problems. First, I want to live alone. No roommates. Will I find something in the area for $600 including utilities? Second, I will need a car if I go there, something I don't currently have. Other than begging my mom to loan me money for a used car, I haven't the foggiest idea how I'd afford one. If my mom can't help, would I be able to afford a lease + insurance on a newer car? Third problem is my teeth. They get cavities a lot. Does DMS provide any dental insurance?

Thanks in advance for your help.
 
PookieGirl said:
The 2005-6 budget looks rather paltry for living expenses. Especially rent. $6000 for ten months including utilities. Do people actually stick to this?

Will I find something in the area for $600 including utilities? Second, I will need a car if I go there, something I don't currently have. Other than begging my mom to loan me money for a used car, I haven't the foggiest idea how I'd afford one. If my mom can't help, would I be able to afford a lease + insurance on a newer car? Third problem is my teeth. They get cavities a lot. Does DMS provide any dental insurance?
don't you love it? its so nice for med schools to budget 10 months of living expenses since the school year is only 10 months long--but have you ever signed a 10-month lease? doubt it. and no auto expenses--yeah, that reflects how everyone in america lives...bastards.

anyway, in my experience, the response to your question "Will I find something in the area for $600 including utilities?" is a resounding "hell no." even dartmouth's student housing in the....um, "lovely" sachem villiage is about 500/mo for a 1BR apt without utilities, as i recall. its probably your best option as far as affordability goes, so you should (if you haven't already) fill out an application to live there. if not, and you want to live on your own, and either A) live close to DMS or, B) in a nice place, you'll definitely have to take out some serious loans.
 
superdevil said:
don't you love it? its so nice for med schools to budget 10 months of living expenses since the school year is only 10 months long--but have you ever signed a 10-month lease? doubt it. and no auto expenses--yeah, that reflects how everyone in america lives...bastards.

anyway, in my experience, the response to your question "Will I find something in the area for $600 including utilities?" is a resounding "hell no." even dartmouth's student housing in the....um, "lovely" sachem villiage is about 500/mo for a 1BR apt without utilities, as i recall. its probably your best option as far as affordability goes, so you should (if you haven't already) fill out an application to live there. if not, and you want to live on your own, and either A) live close to DMS or, B) in a nice place, you'll definitely have to take out some serious loans.

I'm on the waitlist so my questions are really not relevant. Yet. I hope. So I can't really fill out an application to this Sachem joing since I haven't been accepted. Anyway, let's say I did get in. Would I be able to take out more loans? That budget did seem awfully low.

And what about that dental insurance?????? Seriously, my dentists says I have 3 teeth we're "watching". IE, I may need 3 root canals. They're expensive without insurance so if I know I won't be able to easily and cheaply get insurance, I might as well get them done before med school. Just what I was hoping for in my last months before school...The question is-- how do people get dental insurance in med school?
 
superdevil said:
don't you love it? its so nice for med schools to budget 10 months of living expenses since the school year is only 10 months long--but have you ever signed a 10-month lease? doubt it. and no auto expenses--yeah, that reflects how everyone in america lives...bastards.

Yea, by law they're not allowed to. I think it's because they're giving out government money. They can only do it for 3rd and 4th year (12mo housing, not car)
 
PookieGirl said:
I'm on the waitlist so my questions are really not relevant. Yet. I hope. So I can't really fill out an application to this Sachem joing since I haven't been accepted. Anyway, let's say I did get in. Would I be able to take out more loans? That budget did seem awfully low.

And what about that dental insurance?????? Seriously, my dentists says I have 3 teeth we're "watching". IE, I may need 3 root canals. They're expensive without insurance so if I know I won't be able to easily and cheaply get insurance, I might as well get them done before med school. Just what I was hoping for in my last months before school...The question is-- how do people get dental insurance in med school?


Don't live in Sachem. If you're interested in school housing I'd recommend N. Park. But for 1 room, I think it's around 700/mo including utilities (w/long distance phone calling, and internet)

One of my classmates recently found a loft in Hanover for $550 before utilities. That would go over 600, but it's great for Hanover.

Most people stay within $600, but most people have roommates. If you want to live alone and stay below $600, definitely look outside of Hanover, but it's possible. If you're willing to have another roommate, you'll likely be staying under $500 if you don't live in Hanover.

Get dental work done before you come. The Dartmouth insurance, which is the same one that all the other Ivy leagues use, does not cover dental.

Car payments can come as part of "Miscellaneous." Remember, when you arrive at DMS you'll be able to talk to a financial aid advisor and they can change totals for everything on your budget. So if you think you'll need extra for a car, overestimate on Misc, Food, Housing, etc.....
 
starfruit said:
What is it like to have 3 or 4 courses going on simultaneously, rather than a 'block' schedule as is present at some other schools during the first two years? Is it hard to keep up? Are profs fairly clear regarding their expectations, etc.?

DMBUGA, thanks for your response to my earlier question.

It's just like undergrad. I have never experienced block scheduling, so I can't make a fair comparison. I do like that our class schedule every day is different, so that the week doesn't get boring. I also don't think I'd be able to handle a few weeks composed entirely of Anatomy, or Biochem....
 
Housing in Hanover/Norwich is ridiculously cheap if you are willing to live with a couple of people. I lived in a house for 3 years there and the rent was $357/month plus $70-80 for utilities. I would suggest looking through the classifieds and the dartmouthre.com site. There are tons of places to live that are much cheaper than what the Colllege suggests.

Most grad students seem to live in the nicest accomodations in town, which is why they are expensive.

If you want to commute, then Lebanon and West Lebanon are cheap as well.

You can live right in town in Hanover in some of the bigger houses for less than $500 per month. You just have to be quick. The undergrads are much more aware of how to take advantage of the housing situation, so they generally take all of the best locations. That and the leases get passed down from year to year.
 
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