DAT percentile and # of applicants...

[Revelde]

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This idea suddenly came into my mind..

I mean.. the whole thing about DAT percentiles and number of applicants.. chances of admission and etc.. could be different from what I ve known so far.

So.. its normally said that the total number of applicants for dental school admission is roughly 12,000 a year.. and number of spots availible is about.4000.
...Assuming that most people applying for dental school have at least 17~18 on their DAT AA . AND I believe that 17~18 on DAT is roughly over 70 percentile at least. This whole thing means that most applicants are within top 30% in DAT score percentile. and.. most likely,, those who get the admission ( about one third) are supposed to be roughly in top 10% of DAT score.. which is 20+

I dont know.. if this is true.. 20s on DAT won;t be as competitive as we all think... AND those hundreds of overachievers on SDN with 25/25/25 are maybe telling their real scores.. no lies like some people argue about...
there might be over 2000 people who did better than me in DAT this year hahha

well.. just a thought.. what do y;all think?

 

[Cold Front]

This whole thing means that most applicants are within top 30% in DAT score percentile. and.. most likely,, those who get the admission ( about one third) are supposed to be roughly in top 10% of DAT score.. which is 20+

The way you are looking at it doesn't add up.

There are number of factors involved...

1. GPA
2. DAT
3. Schools (many take low stats, so there goes your DAT factor!)
4. Interviews (many applicants with so-so stats get in)
5. Application timeline (applicants with lower scores have a better chance of getting in if they apply early).

and many more...

The DAT in my opinion is about 50-60% of your chance of getting in, the rest is what I listed above.

 

[tissy]

I thought DAT and GPA is 90% follow by 10% everything else...

 

[Revelde]

The way you are looking at it doesn't add up.

There are number of factors involved...

1. GPA
2. DAT
3. Schools (many take low stats, so there goes your DAT factor!)
4. Interviews (many applicants with so-so stats get in)
5. Application timeline (applicants with lower scores have a better chance of getting in if they apply early).

and many more...

The DAT in my opinion is about 50-60% of your chance of getting in, the rest is what I listed above.

Well.. I oversimplified the admission factors.
but if my math is right... applicants wil need about 20 or higher so your DAT score doesnt put you on disadvantage for the admission process..

 

[ItsAnotherOne]

This idea suddenly came into my mind..

I mean.. the whole thing about DAT percentiles and number of applicants.. chances of admission and etc.. could be different from what I ve known so far.

So.. its normally said that the total number of applicants for dental school admission is roughly 12,000 a year.. and number of spots availible is about.4000.
...Assuming that most people applying for dental school have at least 17~18 on their DAT AA . AND I believe that 17~18 on DAT is roughly over 70 percentile at least. This whole thing means that most applicants are within top 30% in DAT score percentile. and.. most likely,, those who get the admission ( about one third) are supposed to be roughly in top 10% of DAT score.. which is 20+

I dont know.. if this is true.. 20s on DAT won;t be as competitive as we all think... AND those hundreds of overachievers on SDN with 25/25/25 are maybe telling their real scores.. no lies like some people argue about...
there might be over 2000 people who did better than me in DAT this year hahha

well.. just a thought.. what do y;all think?

Go here, and you will learn a lot. This should answer all your questions.

http://www.ada.org/prof/ed/testing/dat/dat_candidate_guide.pdf

http://www.ada.org/prof/ed/testing/dat/dat_candidate_info.pdf

It will tell you mean, median, mode... standard deviation... etc. It is great. It will also tell you the number of applicants and a whole bunch more information.

 

[Cold Front]

I thought DAT and GPA is 90% follow by 10% everything else...

I was speaking in general, and It's all relative.

Some schools put emphasis on high DAT scores, so to get in, the DAT alone might be 80% of your chance.

Other schools put emphasis on your GPA equally with your DAT score for 80% chance.

All schools have different requirements.

 

[ItsAnotherOne]

hmmm.... don't assign percentages to GPA and DAT. I hate to say it, but admissions is not a science.

 

[Revelde]

hmmm.... don't assign percentages to GPA and DAT. I hate to say it, but admissions is not a science.

are you going from USC to UCLA?

 

[ItsAnotherOne]

are you going from USC to UCLA?

yes

 

[kayko41011]

This idea suddenly came into my mind..

I mean.. the whole thing about DAT percentiles and number of applicants.. chances of admission and etc.. could be different from what I ve known so far.

So.. its normally said that the total number of applicants for dental school admission is roughly 12,000 a year.. and number of spots availible is about.4000.
...Assuming that most people applying for dental school have at least 17~18 on their DAT AA . AND I believe that 17~18 on DAT is roughly over 70 percentile at least. This whole thing means that most applicants are within top 30% in DAT score percentile. and.. most likely,, those who get the admission ( about one third) are supposed to be roughly in top 10% of DAT score.. which is 20+

I dont know.. if this is true.. 20s on DAT won;t be as competitive as we all think... AND those hundreds of overachievers on SDN with 25/25/25 are maybe telling their real scores.. no lies like some people argue about...
there might be over 2000 people who did better than me in DAT this year hahha

well.. just a thought.. what do y;all think?

Not true, you are assuming that the 17-18 score range is about a 70%. I got an 18AA and it's only at 62.8% 🙁

 

[MrAvicii]

This idea suddenly came into my mind..

I mean.. the whole thing about DAT percentiles and number of applicants.. chances of admission and etc.. could be different from what I ve known so far.

So.. its normally said that the total number of applicants for dental school admission is roughly 12,000 a year.. and number of spots availible is about.4000.
...Assuming that most people applying for dental school have at least 17~18 on their DAT AA . AND I believe that 17~18 on DAT is roughly over 70 percentile at least. This whole thing means that most applicants are within top 30% in DAT score percentile. and.. most likely,, those who get the admission ( about one third) are supposed to be roughly in top 10% of DAT score.. which is 20+

I dont know.. if this is true.. 20s on DAT won;t be as competitive as we all think... AND those hundreds of overachievers on SDN with 25/25/25 are maybe telling their real scores.. no lies like some people argue about...
there might be over 2000 people who did better than me in DAT this year hahha

well.. just a thought.. what do y;all think?

the averages are published in the ADEA book. The mean DAT of an admitted applicant is 19.4 or so. Therefore yes 50% of admitted students have at least 19 or so. Another 25% get in with higher a 19 and another 25% (mostly URMs) get in with scores lower than that. A 19 on the DAT is still very competitive (in fact on average 50% of the students at any given school have a 19)

Meanwhile, GPA matters a LOT more. its significantly easier to get an interview when you have a 3.7 or 3.8 GPA and a 19 then when you have a 3.2 and a 19.

If I could do it over I would focus on having a stronger GPA and I would improve in those classes where I struggled.

 

[duckdds]

I hope you two know that this thread is 5 years old 🙂

 

[MrAvicii]

I hope you two know that this thread is 5 years old 🙂

hahah i didnt even notice it! thanks for telling me duck! i dont intend on wasting anymore time here! hahaha

 

[doc toothache]

the averages are published in the ADEA book. The mean DAT of an admitted applicant is 19.4 or so. Therefore yes 50% of admitted students have at least 19 or so. Another 25% get in with higher a 19 and another 25% (mostly URMs) get in with scores lower than that.

You must have a source of information that is unparalleled.

I hope you two know that this thread is 5 years old 🙂

It goes to show that the myths were just as prevalent 5 years ago as they are today.

 

[MrAvicii]

You must have a source of information that is unparalleled.



It goes to show that the myths were just as prevalent 5 years ago as they are today.

please go violate some more copyright laws. im surprised you are not concerned about the ADEA suing you.

 

[doc toothache]

please go violate some more copyright laws. im surprised you are not concerned about the ADEA suing you.

Since you appear to be losing some sleep over the copyright issues, why don't you call ADEA? Who knows, you might get yourself a merit badge not to mention brownie points?

 

[MrAvicii]

Since you appear to be losing some sleep over the copyright issues, why don't you call ADEA? Who knows, you might get yourself a merit badge not to mention brownie points?

I'm not a rat. But just because im nice doesnt mean others wont report you. you berated a lot of folks with your sarcastic and useless comments. im sure some of them wouldnt mind emailing over your info to ADEA and you'll have to cut a big fat check to your favorite organization, ADEA.

 

[doc toothache]

I'm not a rat. But just because im nice doesnt mean others wont report you. you berated a lot of folks with your sarcastic and useless comments. im sure some of them wouldnt mind emailing over your info to ADEA and you'll have to cut a big fat check to your favorite organization, ADEA.

It might help if you read some of the provisions of the copyright law.

 

[Toothshucker]

I'm not a rat. But just because im nice doesnt mean others wont report you. you berated a lot of folks with your sarcastic and useless comments. im sure some of them wouldnt mind emailing over your info to ADEA and you'll have to cut a big fat check to your favorite organization, ADEA.

I've seen a lot of comments from doc toothache where he simply posts a link to a thread that answers the OPs question. I think that it actually helps, regardless of any opinion of his other comments.

I'm not a lawyer or expert in copyrights, so I won't pretend like I know ANYTHING or EVERYTHING about copyright laws. If it's a law, it's probably complicated and most likely has loopholes and other parts that you or I are not aware of. I don't have an issue with any of it and I think it's a little premature to accuse him of breaking copyright laws.

 

[MrAvicii]

It might help if you read some of the provisions of the copyright law.

so please elaborate on why its legal? i have read some provisions and yes I know of "fair use", but fair use is for academic purposes in a college setting. it is usually reserved for photocopying one or two pages to distribute to a class i.e. the way a prof is legally allowed to photocopy pages from a textbook and distribute them to a class (a few pages at most, the prof cant photocopy the whole book.)

 

[MrAvicii]

I've seen a lot of comments from doc toothache where he simply posts a link to a thread that answers the OPs question. I think that it actually helps, regardless of any opinion of his other comments.

I'm not a lawyer or expert in copyrights, so I won't pretend like I know ANYTHING or EVERYTHING about copyright laws. If it's a law, it's probably complicated and most likely has loopholes and other parts that you or I are not aware of. I don't have an issue with any of it and I think it's a little premature to accuse him of breaking copyright laws.

if he can state why its legal, i'd love to hear it! as far as i understand taking copyrighted works and republishing them online (photocopied or retyped) is illegal, unless the "doc" has express permission from the ADEA. (which I doubt he has, why would they grant him this? They're looking to sell more ADEA $40 books, not less.)

 

[Kahr]

I hope you two know that this thread is 5 years old 🙂

Perhaps kayko is our new (aspiring) thread necromancer. 🙄

Not sure if kayko was being serious or not, but I'd think their percentages were either different back in 2006 and as the OP mentioned, a rough estimate to begin with.

 

[RalphMouth]

It looks perfectly legit, you can't copyright factual information. If doc toothache (he didn't) stole analysis from the ADEA book you might have a more legit argument but all he uses is their numbers.

If you want a recent example federal courts basically stated the MLB couldn't copyright statistics of the baseball players.

 

[MrAvicii]

It looks perfectly legit, you can't copyright factual information. If doc toothache (he didn't) stole analysis from the ADEA book you might have a more legit argument but all he uses is their numbers.

If you want a recent example federal courts basically stated the MLB couldn't copyright statistics of the baseball players.

ralph you are incorrect i just googled this: please see why.

in addition how can you not copyright factual info? your bio textbook has facts in it, but the exact wording of the those facts republished in the same manner involves copyright infringement.

"Disclaimer of interest

Laws may make some types of works and inventions ineligible for monopoly; such works immediately enter the public domain upon publication. Many kinds of mental creations, such as publicized baseball statistics, are never covered by copyright. However, any special layout of baseball statistics, or the like, would be covered by copyright law. For example, while a phonebook is not covered by copyright law, any special method of laying out the information would be."

they wrote a book that involves a special layout (see their book for the layout), inside the book they published names of schools and statistics about the schools. the book is protected under copyright law and everything inside the book (including the pages that have that data.) So i dont quite buy your argument, neither would the ADEA they have enough $$$ to send a notice to doc and at least have him bear some expenses of a trial. He still republished their information without their express permission.

 

[RalphMouth]

We'll just have to disagree I guess. The name of the school, dat score, gpa are all just facts that adea cannot copyright. Merely putting the information part of their book does not change the legal status of the data. If doc had scanned the tables, it might be different that's actually part of the layout.

 

[MrAvicii]

We'll just have to disagree I guess. The name of the school, dat score, gpa are all just facts that adea cannot copyright. Merely putting the information part of their book does not change the legal status of the data. If doc had scanned the tables, it might be different that's actually part of the layout.

yes we disagree. free mlb data cannot be compared to the information from a copyright material such as a book.

Either way doc shouldnt put that stuff out there unless he wants to challenge the ADEA to a lawsuit. I think they have a bit more money than he does. And to simply hire a lawyer for the initial hearing will set you back a few $$$. Imagine how much money the ADEA lost because he published this stat?

All i was saying is that someone might just call him out on this by notifying the ADEA.

 

[Toothshucker]

If it bothers you this much, why don't you call the ADEA...
You keep referring to lawsuits, trials, and lawyers. I doubt any thing is going to happen.
And, just so you know, many pre-dental clubs at universities have their own excel files filled with ADEA data which they make available to members.
Time to drop this unnecessary topic on THIS thread. Not helping the OP.

 

[MrAvicii]

If it bothers you this much, why don't you call the ADEA...
You keep referring to lawsuits, trials, and lawyers. I doubt any thing is going to happen.
And, just so you know, many pre-dental clubs at universities have their own excel files filled with ADEA data which they make available to members.
Time to drop this unnecessary topic on THIS thread. Not helping the OP.

OPs thread is 5 years old.

and doc should know better. point made.

 

[Toothshucker]

OPs thread is 5 years old.

and doc should know better. point made.

Touche.

Maybe he does know better.

 

[MrAvicii]

Touche.

Maybe he does know better.

yup his problem to worry about, not mine