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hello
i have question 😕
i checked which school will accept DAT this year
at AACPM, on admission requirement section, it says only 4 schools accepts DAT for 2008....but if you go to "apply online" section and then go to "before apply", you find more than 4 schools accept DAT... 😕

which is correct information??

and i called ohio school and they said they accept DAT for this year...
scholl never answered the phone yet...

 

[crhoody12]

DAT only for:
Temple
NYCPM
OCPM
Barry
DMU (dean's approval so you'll need to contact them once they receive your DAT score, GPA, application. They may or may not require you to take the January MCAT)

 

[JEWmongous]

Isn't that kind of unusual for DMU? A lot of people on these forums boast its the number 1 pod school with the best admission stats,etc. I'm surprised they even have a consideration for the DAT.

 

[dawgtired]

DMU doesn't want DATs; they want MCAT. I think its just a temporary thing like if you MCAT scores aren't in yet but you do have DAT scores they will look at it, but they definitely want MCATs this year

 

[crhoody12]

from 8/15/07...
Thank you for expressing your interest in Des Moines University! To answer your question, we recommend that all applicants take the MCAT with a score of 20 or above to be considered competitive. You may submit your DAT scores and have them reviewed by the Dean of the college who may accept them in lieu of the MCAT, but that is decided on a case-by-case basis once we have received all of your application materials.

You will want a DPM whom you've shadowed with submit a letter of recommendation as well. The Admissions Committee will want to make sure you've spent time shadowing a DPM and know what is involved in being a podiatrist.

I hope this information is helpful, but if you have additional questions or concerns please feel free to contact me!

Meghan Good
Director of CPMS Admission
3200 Grand Avenue
Des Moines, IA 50312
515.271.7497
FAX 515.271.7075

 

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Barry
Arizona
NYC
Temple
Ohio
and..maybe DMU

they accept DAT for this year..

anybody knows about Scholl?


thanks !!

 

[JEWmongous]

Are you sure AZPOD still accepts the DAT? I kept hearing about schools becoming mandatory with the MCAT this application cycle but now it seems to be different.

 

[WannaBeDPM]

Yeah, what's REALLY going on here?

😕

 

[exitS]

i was really confused..before i called each school becasue AACPMAS has wrong information about DAT...

okay.. this is correct information
i called all schools (except california) today

Arizona, DMU : they accept DAT but they may ask you to take MCAT later if score is not enough

Barry,NYC,Ohio,Temple : accept DAT

Scholl : only MCAT 😱

 

[Buspar]

i was really confused..before i called each school becasue AACPMAS has wrong information about DAT...

okay.. this is correct information
i called all schools (except california) today

Arizona, DMU : they accept DAT but they may ask you to take MCAT later if score is not enough

Barry,NYC,Ohio,Temple : accept DAT

Scholl : only MCAT 😱

Good to know, thanks!

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

i was really confused..before i called each school becasue AACPMAS has wrong information about DAT...

okay.. this is correct information
i called all schools (except california) today

Arizona, DMU : they accept DAT but they may ask you to take MCAT later if score is not enough

Barry,NYC,Ohio,Temple : accept DAT

Scholl : only MCAT 😱

To anyone who thinks I'm never critical of DMU, this disgusts me. I was there when the recommendation was made to only accept the MCAT. I was there when it was approved and now to go back on it makes me angry. It tells me either A) the school is scared, or B) they aren't ready to make the changes need to advance the school. I have never known the present leadership to take the B route, so I'm am guessing it is A.

This is me--->😡 I'm that pissed.

 

[Cheetos]

Stop whining, take the MCATs!! 😴

 

[OSUDDS]

werd quit being gubernaculums. take the MCAT.

 

[WannaBeDPM]

Take the MCAT??

If an individual is concrete about going to Podiatry school and confident in their abilities to perform well IN podiatry school --- considering most schools accept the DAT..Why..o WHY ...would you want to take a test that is MUCH more difficult? For fun? Don't get me wrong I agree that it would deter students who simply did not gain acceptance into Dental School...But I highly doubt that it would make me any less of a good Podiatry Student or future podiatrist if I took an easier entrance exam.....

 

[Red Head]

Take the MCAT??

If an individual is concrete about going to Podiatry school and confident in their abilities to perform well IN podiatry school --- considering most schools accept the DAT..Why..o WHY ...would you want to take a test that is MUCH more difficult? For fun? Don't get me wrong I agree that it would deter students who simply did not gain acceptance into Dental School...But I highly doubt that it would make me any less of a good Podiatry Student or future podiatrist if I took an easier entrance exam.....

also if the schools he wants to go to accepts the DAT, why waste a good score and pay an extra 200 dollars to take the mcat?

 

[bdaddyjolley]

Take the MCAT??

If an individual is concrete about going to Podiatry school and confident in their abilities to perform well IN podiatry school --- considering most schools accept the DAT..Why..o WHY ...would you want to take a test that is MUCH more difficult? For fun? Don't get me wrong I agree that it would deter students who simply did not gain acceptance into Dental School...But I highly doubt that it would make me any less of a good Podiatry Student or future podiatrist if I took an easier entrance exam.....

Well, being confident doesnt make you good enough to be a good podiatrist and do well in school. How you perform is what makes you good enough. I understand the reasoning of using DAT scores instead of MCAT if you already took the DAT and performed well and didnt want to take another test. But if you havent taken it yet, comon. Take the test that is more geared towards podiatry, the MCAT. But if we use your reasoning instead about being confident, if you are confident in yourself, why would you fear the harder test? Wouldn't you want to show that you are capable of doing well on the harder test and that you are qualified?

I disagree about saying taking the easier exam wouldnt make one less better of a student in the fact that the easier exam will weed not out less of the qualified candidates. It wouldnt have an effect on someone who is truely qualified for podiatry school but what about the ones who are not? Podiatry school is not easy and that's why some schools who let in the less qualified candidates have a high attrition rate.

Here is an example. When I interviewed at one of the schools that accepted MCAT, DAT and GRE, there was an applicant there who had a 3.5 GPA but a 14 on the MCAT. Of coarse the school didnt know he received a 14 on the MCAT because he use his GRE scores instead. This is what he told me. Do you see the problem there?

It would be good for all schools to be mandated to only accept the MCAT.

 

[DietMtDewAddict]

Well, being confident doesnt make you good enough to be a good podiatrist and do well in school. How you perform is what makes you good enough. I understand the reasoning of using DAT scores instead of MCAT if you already took the DAT and performed well and didnt want to take another test. But if you havent taken it yet, comon. Take the test that is more geared towards podiatry, the MCAT. But if we use your reasoning instead about being confident, if you are confident in yourself, why would you fear the harder test? Wouldn't you want to show that you are capable of doing well on the harder test and that you are qualified?

I disagree about saying taking the easier exam wouldnt make one less better of a student in the fact that the easier exam will weed not out less of the qualified candidates. It wouldnt have an effect on someone who is truely qualified for podiatry school but what about the ones who are not? Podiatry school is not easy and that's why some schools who let in the less qualified candidates have a high attrition rate.

Here is an example. When I interviewed at one of the schools that accepted MCAT, DAT and GRE, there was an applicant there who had a 3.5 GPA but a 14 on the MCAT. Of coarse the school didnt know he received a 14 on the MCAT because he use his GRE scores instead. This is what he told me. Do you see the problem there?

It would be good for all schools to be mandated to only accept the MCAT.

What I want to know is how you have a 3.5 and get a 14! You can guess B for every answer (which I did with my last Kaplan test) and get at least a 16 or 17. My GPA leaves nothing to be desired but at least I did well on my MCAT. I think the MCAT tells more about your schooling than any GPA.

 

[Cheetos]

Take the MCAT??

If an individual is concrete about going to Podiatry school and confident in their abilities to perform well IN podiatry school --- considering most schools accept the DAT..Why..o WHY ...would you want to take a test that is MUCH more difficult? For fun? Don't get me wrong I agree that it would deter students who simply did not gain acceptance into Dental School...But I highly doubt that it would make me any less of a good Podiatry Student or future podiatrist if I took an easier entrance exam.....

Because DAT = dental admissions test not podiatry or medical admissions test.

 

[cool_vkb]

What I want to know is how you have a 3.5 and get a 14! You can guess B for every answer (which I did with my last Kaplan test) and get at least a 16 or 17. My GPA leaves nothing to be desired but at least I did well on my MCAT. I think the MCAT tells more about your schooling than any GPA.

Ok this is exaggeration. may be that kaplan test was just one out of blue. but 16 or 17 is not that easy. I mean for a guy who took MCAT he might find it easy. but for sure, its no cake walk.

 

[dawgtired]

I'm going to be honest here--why on earth would you think submitting a DENTAL test will do anything positive for your PODIATRY application? If you don't think any decent school and DPMs won't grill you for that, you are crazy--if they even offer an acceptance without an MCAT. So if you seriously think you handle the schooling, then step up and take the same test everyone else does so there is an equal measurement. You can count on that fact that eventually all DPM schools will require the MCAT, but I know I won't be taking advantage of the fact that I might not have to take it. I want to take it (and have taken it) because I want to be able to gage myself against other candidates and have the strongest application possible. Submitting a DAT score just looks like 'well, I was really considering dentistry this entire time, but I (insert excuse for not getting in here) so someone mentioned podiatry and I was, like, okay, I guess I can do that!' LAME!

Sorry for the vent, but I just don't get it! 😡

 

[165007]

I'm going to be honest here--why on earth would you think submitting a DENTAL test will do anything positive for your PODIATRY application? If you don't think any decent school and DPMs won't grill you for that, you are crazy--if they even offer an acceptance without an MCAT. So if you seriously think you handle the schooling, then step up and take the same test everyone else does so there is an equal measurement. You can count on that fact that eventually all DPM schools will require the MCAT, but I know I won't be taking advantage of the fact that I might not have to take it. I want to take it (and have taken it) because I want to be able to gage myself against other candidates and have the strongest application possible. Submitting a DAT score just looks like 'well, I was really considering dentistry this entire time, but I (insert excuse for not getting in here) so someone mentioned podiatry and I was, like, okay, I guess I can do that!' LAME!

Sorry for the vent, but I just don't get it! 😡

I totally agree.

😉

 

[cool_vkb]

So if you seriously think you handle the schooling, then step up and take the same test everyone else does so there is an equal measurement.

are you kidding me. That term "everyone else does" is a biggggggggggggggggg joke. No offense to SDN. its the best site. but what people on SDN does is no way representation of true pod applcants. i knew this once i started school. there are 100 seats. not all applicants are on SDN saying you what test they are taking or what they feel. its hardly 10-20 people here. there are more than 400 applicants in this year cycle and not all applicants take MCAT, thats a joke. hell some people even take GRE and enter. I know many people who wrote DAT and are there. Nearly all schools that accept DATs have a good number of students who have taken DAT. Plus look at DMU's own email. Its a top ranking school. even they accept DAT.

See brother! if you want to take MCAT. go ahead , step up and take it. But dont jus go on spreading false propoganda that oh all are taking and oh people are gonna ask u this or that. Thats all crap. I took MCAT this december. And the very reason i took MCAT was to prove myself that iam capable of taking this test and scoring. bcz even last year on SDN it was same buzzzzzz. that oh MCAT is hard and this and that. but wats the use. In my class there are people who took DAT and again this year also people will be there. Look at DMU. last year people were saying DMU is only gonna accept till 2006 year end and wll not take after that. but see its also taking.

Unless there is a national law passed by AACPM that forces this MCAT law, i doubt it will ever get implemented. and till that time. those who are taking DAT, let them take it in peace.

See even my personal opinion is that we all should have just MCAT. but i dont believe in inciting people to take the test. let there be a national law then i personlly wud support it. but indvidual efforts is of no use. its just banging our head on a wall.

 

[WannaBeDPM]

I understand all of your points on why to take the MCAT and I agree to them... I do not fear the MCAT...I know that with enough dedication and hardwork..I can score high enough to be accepted... however, if an entrance exam of a lesser degree of difficulty will help me matriculate, I will go for it...I know students that entered with the DAT that are GREAT podiatric students...I'm sure we ALL know some...Now in terms of nobility..yeah the MCAT is probably the more "Noble" exam to take...but in all honesty, I'm not that noble...I don't think it will consequently make me any less of a podiatrist if I take a different entrance exam...I agree that mandating an MCAT-Only requirement will tighten admissions standards and bring about better qualified students...BUT they have not implemented that yet...If they did, I would be studying hard for the MCAT right now...I agree with the previous post about how our individual efforts will not change the policies, at least not this year... so the motto goes--whatever it takes...

 

[dpmgrad]

Prepod students need to realize that ALL Podiatry schools used to only accept MCAT for admissions in the past. Podiatry schools started to accept DAT and GRE for admissions (starting with the class of 2004) so that they can increase their applicant pool since the number of applicants had dwindled. I believe that ALL Podiatry school should go back to the older policy where they accept MCAT scores only for admission. As previous posters have indicated, this will improve the quality of students in Podiatry School.

 

[cool_vkb]

Prepod students need to realize that ALL Podiatry schools used to only accept MCAT for admissions in the past. Podiatry schools started to accept DAT and GRE for admissions (starting with the class of 2004) so that they can increase their applicant pool since the number of applicants had dwindled. I believe that ALL Podiatry school should go back to the older policy where they accept MCAT scores only for admission. As previous posters have indicated, this will improve the quality of students in Podiatry School.

yeah! but i think this should be implemented by AACPM. That will force all schools to implement.

 

[Red Head]

it be interesting if Podiatry came out with their own standardized tests

dental= DAT
pharmacy= PCAT
optometry=OAT
MD/DO= MCAT
grad school= GRE
etc...

Not saying this is a great idea, just a thought... i can understand the downfall of that idea though, by not grouping us with the MD/DO students that is

 

[dpmgrad]

yeah! but i think this should be implemented by AACPM. That will force all schools to implement.

AACPM can not force any schools to do anything. AACPM is a centralized service that process applications materials for the Podiatry schools and also for Podiary residencies. CPME would be organization that can enforce the schools to accept MCAT only for admission when the schools are up for accreditation review. CPME = Council on Podiatric Medical Education
CPME is also responsible for accreditting Podiatric residency programs as well.

 

[Buspar]

What I want to know is how you have a 3.5 and get a 14! You can guess B for every answer (which I did with my last Kaplan test) and get at least a 16 or 17. My GPA leaves nothing to be desired but at least I did well on my MCAT. I think the MCAT tells more about your schooling than any GPA.

Try to do this on the pratrice MCAT or real thing and you will get a 1 or 2!😱

 

[Red Head]

Try to do this on the pratrice MCAT or real thing and you will get a 1 or 2!😱

i tried this with princeton review, just guessing one answer... and i got anywhere from a 1 to a 3... but mostly 2's

 

[Cheetos]

Try to do this on the pratrice MCAT or real thing and you will get a 1 or 2!😱

I wish I had that much free time Goodluck interviewing guys and gals!!

 

[cool_vkb]

AACPM can not force any schools to do anything. AACPM is a centralized service that process applications materials for the Podiatry schools and also for Podiary residencies. CPME would be organization that can enforce the schools to accept MCAT only for admission when the schools are up for accreditation review. CPME = Council on Podiatric Medical Education
CPME is also responsible for accreditting Podiatric residency programs as well.

Oh thank you. i was thinking AACPM is the big brother. Then i guess all our AASPM representatives and other active people should force CPME to take a major decision on this subject.