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I'm sorry to make another thread like this, but I feel like I really have to (and hope to garner input from some current / completed MD/PhD students about this).
1) Excluding negative data.
Yes, I know there are legitimate reasons to do this -- sometimes the experiment really doesn't work right, etc. But what about those cases where you are just excluding data based on what fits your hypothesis?
2) Running "representative Western blots / real-time PCRs / etc etc etc experiments"
Representative results aren't real results, and you're doing a disservice to yourself and other scientists reading your paper by presenting them as such.
-Some specific things that I have witnessed happen in the lab that I work (which is at a top-10 medical institution ... not bragging, but just to mention how crazy it is that this stuff happens by people who are supposed to be "the best"):
1) Deleting echocardiographic data from the machine that causes the results to go the wrong way and printing out the "correct" data
2) Running western blots with repeated samples (that are declared as unique samples) to reduce variability and make results statistically significant
3) Reprobing the same western blot with a "different" antibody to the same protein to try to get the bands to look better (along with decreasing exposure time / other trickery).
4) Performing densitometry of western bands treating each band differently in order to eke out differences (that are less than 10%) and make them statistically significant
5) Using controls for other experiments (that are "known" to work) in order to exaggerate observed effects
6) Running an experiment with the same SINGLE sample from each group three times, and claiming that n=3.
If you ever talk about people who photoshop images that appear in journals, people are so aghast with horror, yet when you re-run an experiment with "only the good samples," it's fine. It's like, if we can fake data using a scientific technique, it's fine, but damn it, if you use technology, you are a traitor to the field and must be banished.
I don't know what to do. I've worked my ass off in the lab and will have a few second/third author papers to my name by the time I graduate, so I'm set to get into an MD/PhD program (and prestige largely doesn't matter to me...I just want someplace with a supportive mentor who is willing to let me work alone and screw up until I figure out how to do things the right way, by myself). But these experiences have turned me off so much from research that I'm not sure I want to pursue it anymore.
Another thing is, research essays and interviews. You are expected to sound all gung ho about research and excited; yet what I really want to talk about in an interview is how it seems like so few scientists I've met really seem to have integrity when it comes to data analysis (and that the ones that are most successful and most heavily funded are sometimes the most suspect). But I don't think this will really fly with most of my MD/PhD interviewers who will likely see me as a spoiled college student who has never had to choose between being honest and not eating / getting fired from a faculty position and fudging some data / getting a grant funded.
Again, maybe I've just had some bad experiences and this isn't universal, and I could be perfectly happy doing science. But in my experience (and talking with a few friends who have done research in different departments), I'm not alone in this.
Any input? I just don't want to get to my PhD years and discover that in order to "get out" and back to my 3rd and 4th years that I'm going to have to put out B.S. studies like some of the ones I described above. It's not worth it to me...because not only are the studies themselves entirely misleading and a detriment rather than a contribution to science and their field, but also because they are absolutely MEANINGLESS. I can't imagine spending 3 or 4 years of my life produce something that is devoid of meaning and largely insignificant.
1) Excluding negative data.
Yes, I know there are legitimate reasons to do this -- sometimes the experiment really doesn't work right, etc. But what about those cases where you are just excluding data based on what fits your hypothesis?
2) Running "representative Western blots / real-time PCRs / etc etc etc experiments"
Representative results aren't real results, and you're doing a disservice to yourself and other scientists reading your paper by presenting them as such.
-Some specific things that I have witnessed happen in the lab that I work (which is at a top-10 medical institution ... not bragging, but just to mention how crazy it is that this stuff happens by people who are supposed to be "the best"):
1) Deleting echocardiographic data from the machine that causes the results to go the wrong way and printing out the "correct" data
2) Running western blots with repeated samples (that are declared as unique samples) to reduce variability and make results statistically significant
3) Reprobing the same western blot with a "different" antibody to the same protein to try to get the bands to look better (along with decreasing exposure time / other trickery).
4) Performing densitometry of western bands treating each band differently in order to eke out differences (that are less than 10%) and make them statistically significant
5) Using controls for other experiments (that are "known" to work) in order to exaggerate observed effects
6) Running an experiment with the same SINGLE sample from each group three times, and claiming that n=3.
If you ever talk about people who photoshop images that appear in journals, people are so aghast with horror, yet when you re-run an experiment with "only the good samples," it's fine. It's like, if we can fake data using a scientific technique, it's fine, but damn it, if you use technology, you are a traitor to the field and must be banished.
I don't know what to do. I've worked my ass off in the lab and will have a few second/third author papers to my name by the time I graduate, so I'm set to get into an MD/PhD program (and prestige largely doesn't matter to me...I just want someplace with a supportive mentor who is willing to let me work alone and screw up until I figure out how to do things the right way, by myself). But these experiences have turned me off so much from research that I'm not sure I want to pursue it anymore.
Another thing is, research essays and interviews. You are expected to sound all gung ho about research and excited; yet what I really want to talk about in an interview is how it seems like so few scientists I've met really seem to have integrity when it comes to data analysis (and that the ones that are most successful and most heavily funded are sometimes the most suspect). But I don't think this will really fly with most of my MD/PhD interviewers who will likely see me as a spoiled college student who has never had to choose between being honest and not eating / getting fired from a faculty position and fudging some data / getting a grant funded.
Again, maybe I've just had some bad experiences and this isn't universal, and I could be perfectly happy doing science. But in my experience (and talking with a few friends who have done research in different departments), I'm not alone in this.
Any input? I just don't want to get to my PhD years and discover that in order to "get out" and back to my 3rd and 4th years that I'm going to have to put out B.S. studies like some of the ones I described above. It's not worth it to me...because not only are the studies themselves entirely misleading and a detriment rather than a contribution to science and their field, but also because they are absolutely MEANINGLESS. I can't imagine spending 3 or 4 years of my life produce something that is devoid of meaning and largely insignificant.