Not sure if this has been posted before, but it is an interesting read concerning people with disabilities attending medical school. http://www.thedaonline.com/news/mar...e-s-first-deaf-student-1.2666171#.TwysCZjUPaZ
Good for him!
This is definitely a step in the right direction, but I wonder how the deaf community feels about it. I know that many people who consider themselves part of the "deaf community" are very anti-cochlear implant. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cochlear_implant#Controversy_in_Deaf_culture ) I am curious to know whether they view this student's success as positive or negative (Or perhaps both?) for deaf culture.
It depends. Many deaf parents want the best for their kids; if it means giving them all the opportunities the other kids have they may allow it to happen. There are some pretty good documentaries on this issue, ex: Sound and Fury. I think being deaf may violate the technical standards -
[Passage from __ MD School technical standard policy]
Communication:
Candidate/student must be able to hear, observe and speak to patients
in order to elicit and acquire information, examine them, describe changes in mood,
activity, and posture, and perceive their nonverbal communication. Students must also be
able to communicate effectively in oral and written form with staff and faculty members,
the patient, and all members of the health care team.
Einstein once graduated a quadriplegic. He went on to complete a residency in Internal Medicine and a fellowship in Nephrology.
IIRC, UCLA also accepted a triple amputee. Edit: Yep, they most certainly did.
I'm all for disability rights, but this profession is about patients. If a disabled doctor can perform as well as their non disabled counterparts then there is absolutely no reason to discriminate, however there should be no compromises made in the treatment of patients in the name of being inclusive. I'm not saying these people aren't capable in many regards, but I'm having a hard time imagining how a quadriplegic would effectively perform something as simple as a physical exam, or do anything procedural for the matter. The competency requirements are there for a reason, and while it is unfortunate that they aren't wholly inclusive, that hardly takes away from their importance.
exactly the reason for the technical standards. If the patient codes, the last thing they want to someone who is physically unable to perform cpr etc.
I am a failure
Nurses can perform CPR. In fact, it's often the nurses that do the CPR while the physician runs the code.
The quadriplegic, Jim Post, was required to pay for a physician's assistant in order to attend Einstein.
Certain procedures are generally accepted as being integral to nephrology practice; relinquishing them would potentially affect the timeliness, quality, and safety of patient care. Such procedures are appropriately mandated by the American College of Graduate Medical Education (ACGME): Renal biopsy and temporary hemodialysis access. The latter is obvious: Nephrologists should have the ability to place emergent access. With regard to renal biopsies, only nephrologists can make real-time decisions about adequacy of sample size given the suspected diagnosis. Nephrologist-obtained renal biopsies yield similar numbers of glomeruli but fewer severe complications, as compared with radiologists (4). Scheduling conflicts may preclude timely biopsy performance by radiologists, particularly in emergent cases.
I'm all for disability rights, but this profession is about patients. If a disabled doctor can perform as well as their non disabled counterparts then there is absolutely no reason to discriminate,
Not sure if this has been posted before, but it is an interesting read concerning people with disabilities attending medical school. http://www.thedaonline.com/news/mar...e-s-first-deaf-student-1.2666171#.TwysCZjUPaZ
The Association of Medical Professionals with Hearing Losses is the best place to go if you want to be a doctor and are Deaf.
http://www.amphl.org/
😕 In the picture on that site he has a regular stethoscope for the hearing.
Stumbled on this while I was applying this cycle. Great place for information.
He has a cochlear implant.
How do the ear buds on the stethoscope connect in with CI?
Oh yeah, that's a really good point. I'm really not sure, but on this website http://www.healthyhearing.com/content/articles/Accessories/Equipment/46018-Stethoscope-hearing-aids if you scroll down to the part about CI's, the picture looks like the stethoscope has some kind of ear buds, but it still doesn't look like a common stethoscope like the one in the original picture. Maybe the part behind his neck has some sort of patch cord or visual output device? I hope they didn't put a common stethoscope around his neck to make him look more "normal" or something. =/
All forms of discrimination are wrong.
A large body of clinical research over the last decade demonstrates that
cochlear implants work and provide significant speech and language benefits to
profoundly deaf adults and prelingually deaf children. The most challenging research
problem today is that cochlear implants do not work equally well for everyone who has
a profound hearing loss and cochlear implants frequently do not provide much benefit
at all under highly degraded listening conditions. Some individuals do extremely well
on traditional audiologic outcome measures with their cochlear implants when tested
under benign listening conditions in the clinic and research laboratory while others
have much more difficulty. However, all patients with cochlear implants uniformly
have difficulty in a number of challenging perceptual domains such as: listening in
noise, talking on the telephone, localizing sounds, recognizing familiar voices and
different dialects, identifying environmental sounds and listening to music. The
enormous variability in outcome and benefit following implantation is not surprising
because none of the current generation of cochlear implants successfully restores
normal hearing or supports robust speech perception and spoken language processing
across all of these difficult and highly variable listening conditions. The traditional
outcome measures of audiologic benefit were never designed to assess, understand or
explain individual differences in speech perception and spoken language processing.
Oh please, a doctor looks out for the interests of their patient, not PC garbage like this. Cochlear implant =/= normal hearing.
Nurses can perform CPR. In fact, it's often the nurses that do the CPR while the physician runs the code....
Oh please, a doctor looks out for the interests of their patient, not PC
Exactly. I expect that there is in fact some sort of trade off on patient care due to his disability.
All forms of discrimination are wrong.
As for a deaf person in med school, that's very inspirational, but meaningless unless he can find a residency to take the same gamble. A few years back a blind guy completed med school, but I don't recall him getting much further in the journey. Ended up being more a publicity stunt for the school.
How about discriminating on the basis of past academic success? 🙄
🙄 Are you being silly for a reason?
🙄 Are you being silly for a reason?
You all keep talking about how its not possible for a deaf person to be a doctor not the fact that it is possible. I know it is unsettling to you all to know that Deaf people can be doctors but you are all just going to have to get over it because times are changing. There are Deaf medical students, deaf residents, and even Deaf attendings and nothing you say about how Deaf can't be doctors will change that.
He brings up a valid point. Deaf people are held to the same academic standards as the hearing.
Just to refute the equally silly assertion that discrimination is categorically wrong.
Can I vote for threads like these to be closed and maybe for someone specific (not calling out the name, but you know who) to have probation or something? All this gets nowhere, but repeated spam about stuff that is never going to get anywhere. The main conspirator in this thread repeats the same statements over and over, doesn't listen to anyone else's argument, and is having problems understanding the reality of the situation.
But then I'm sure he'd say...
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Bloody peasant!But then I'm sure he'd say...
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Bloody peasant!
Listen, strange women, laying in ponds, distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.Oh, what a giveaway. D'ja hear that? D'ja hear that, eh? D'ja hear him repressin' me? You saw it, didn't you?
.. I've seen that movie way too much.