Death Nommy - Game Thread

[samac]

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Oh wow I forgot I said that. Good job, me

Good job you. Way to be village lol

 

[WildZoo]

I personally would not be willing to do that to a packmate in that manner.
Definition of bussing or not I would not put my packmate up when I have the equity on thread to get people onto my vote. We're having this discussion off definition and other than that vote I think I have proven myself village in the way I've played and worked to find my village core.

and this question wasn't about the definition of bussing, more of do you think I was voting a packmate?
Cause I wasn't.

I am just trying to give objective evaluations. It is better for my mental health and actually helps me NOT get too paranoid if I have good, objective data to look at when I am making reads as the game goes on instead of only basing it off of how I feel and never re-evaluating. Do I really think you were voting for a packmate there? On balance, GTH, no. But is it possible, and do I think that whole thing is a negative point for you? Yes. Do I have a plethora of other points right now that make me still feel good about you? Also yes! That is the point of this whole exercise!

I'm not going to do this paranoia **** in a game where the wolves literally cannot kill me and we go to F3 and I'm stuck as a misyeet. That will hurt me more that going down now or tomorrow.
If we're going to break the blocc vote me before that point cause I think that would make me not want to play again.

I would appreciate it if you would allow me to think through things so I can be sure about them instead of throwing ATE like this at me. I have multiple dead villagers whose opinions I need to think about AND DISCARD to maintain my read, and I want to be sure. I don't have to give you every village point in the universe to still conclude you are village. Zenge did the same thing to me last game and it makes the game not fun for me.

 

[samac]

Okay.
This might be helpful


Following fruits treatment of April she moves allllll over the place. This is in very direct contrast with his treatment of SAR.
Including throwing some sus on April when she was there but leaving his vote on JJJ. But then also talking about not liking ties and having PTSD from ties but did not break the tie.
I find this interesting and want to follow through his logic on a few other folks to see if static is his typical or if he likes to move people around.

Spoiler

Rough impressions

samac
Clem
JJJ
SAR
rae
Zenge
WZ
genny
April

I feel slightly better about april from her recent posts

I really dont follow how these posts make zenge look villagey, it’s largely based on a meta read on april that i don’t know of

APRIL AND SAMAC ARE VILLAGE AS WELL

Samac
JJJ
April
Zenge
Rae
WZ
SAR
Stagg
genny
Indy
DVMD
PSV
Clem

This is a strange reasoning when looking at it but this looks like coming from a wolfy villager

In that i still want to go after psv and dvmd primarily, considering genny as well

I don’t think april is unpaired from stagg

Indy’s ok, rae probably unclear

I also think given how D1 went, we need to consider wolves giving off village vibes

I have a lot of green reads that i think a wolf may be lying among them

JJJ
samac
Zenge
WZ
Clem
Indy
SAR
rae
DVMD
genny
April
PSV

JJJ > WZ > April from most to least village

April still feels the least village of the 3 options

samac
JJJ
Zenge
WZ
indy
April
rae
SAR
DVMD
genny
PSV

samac
Zenge
WZ
JJJ
April
rae
SAR
DVMD
Indy
genny
PSV

I think i want to yeet april but we’ll head close to majority

Ok i’m back to feeling good about april

Then what prompted you to vote april?








Is this why?

i don’t know why you decided to vote april when you consistently read her more favorably over JJJ

The discussion assumes that all 3 are villagers

genny, this is the quote i found, this still favorably puts april above jjj

samac
Zenge
WZ
rae
April
SAR
DVMD
indy
genny
PSV

 

[_rae_]

You going to self prez?

WHY WILL YOU NOT SELF PREZ FRUIT

It’s Indy. Speedrun.

So this is my current feeling on samac. The desperation for fruit to self prez feels like a wolf watching a packman go down without a fight. I'm not going to join in on the "is voting for a packman bussing or not" because y'all have that covered, but the 5 minutes after open hammering down on Indy also feels like a wolf trying to throw another village under the bus just to get another player out.

There's plenty about samac that feels village to me, and I was equally convinced Indy was a wolf. There's just a spidey sense tingling in me that samac was trying to do damage control once fruit gave in to being spotted.

ETA: lol "packmate" but packman is funny so I'm leaving it

 

[samac]

I am just trying to give objective evaluations. It is better for my mental health and actually helps me NOT get too paranoid if I have good, objective data to look at when I am making reads as the game goes on instead of only basing it off of how I feel and never re-evaluating. Do I really think you were voting for a packmate there? On balance, GTH, no. But is it possible, and do I think that whole thing is a negative point for you? Yes. Do I have a plethora of other points right now that make me still feel good about you? Also yes! That is the point of this whole exercise!



I would appreciate it if you would allow me to think through things so I can be sure about them instead of throwing ATE like this at me. I have multiple dead villagers whose opinions I need to think about AND DISCARD to maintain my read, and I want to be sure. I don't have to give you every village point in the universe to still conclude you are village. Zenge did the same thing to me last game and it makes the game not fun for me.

Sorry, this is not intentional AtE but I do think it is normal to feel frustration and somewhat flustered when you know you're village and have been pushing your best all game and things feel like they're shifting on you. I feel like Zenge probably felt similarly when he was blocc'd and had to fight for his life. I don't feel as much as I'm fighting for my life but am on the board today as an option as someone who has been trying my best and it is just frustrating.
It is also not fair of me to say it is okay of rae to look at me but not you. I have an unfair expectation of people who know me I think.

It's kind of funny because this seems like a dream set up and like I'd love it when it started "HAHAH WOLFIES CANT BREAK THE BLOCC NOW" but I'm going to be honest I have learned I am not a big fan of this set up and miss NKs and I think it is getting me a little frustrated with the whole set up leaning towards paranoia.

That being said I'm going to feel confident in my village core and not let it shake me.
Fite me from the grave DVMD. Fitttttttttte meeeeeee

Just promise me if this game goes to F3 you'll yeet me in F4 instead okay?

 

[WildZoo]

Okay.
This might be helpful


Following fruits treatment of April she moves allllll over the place. This is in very direct contrast with his treatment of SAR.
Including throwing some sus on April when she was there but leaving his vote on JJJ. But then also talking about not liking ties and having PTSD from ties but did not break the tie.
I find this interesting and want to follow through his logic on a few other folks to see if static is his typical or if he likes to move people around.

He certainly seemed to have a reason to pay attention to April and just...ignored DVMD and SAR for days. Interesting.

 

[samac]

So this is my current feeling on samac. The desperation for fruit to self prez feels like a wolf watching a packman go down without a fight. I'm not going to join in on the "is voting for a packman bussing or not" because y'all have that covered, but the 5 minutes after open hammering down on Indy also feels like a wolf trying to throw another village under the bus just to get another player out.

There's plenty about samac that feels village to me, and I was equally convinced Indy was a wolf. There's just a spidey sense tingling in me that samac was trying to do damage control once fruit gave in to being spotted.

ETA: lol "packmate" but packman is funny so I'm leaving it

So If i was going to shout at a packmate to self prez I'd do it in wolfchat, not on the game thread. He just seemed to ignore me.
My biggest thought was that he has came into the game with this antibussing mantra and if he was avoiding voting Indy because they were a packmate. I thought we got them and was trying to taunt him into the vote.

And hey, we all hammer speed runned indy. I actually tried to slow it down because I realized we might noy give them the opportunity to submit their names.

 

[_rae_]

Fair counters.

Do we think Fruit would bus regardless of what he said? (sorry if this has been covered, brain is very mush today).

I'm certainly not blameless in the indy situation. Like I said, I was the one who instigated, it was just a truly bad read.

I'm not sold on w!zenge OR v!zenge right now.

I am not convinced we have a village board today, but I also don't know where the wolf lies if we don't.

 

[_rae_]

It's kind of funny because this seems like a dream set up and like I'd love it when it started "HAHAH WOLFIES CANT BREAK THE BLOCC NOW" but I'm going to be honest I have learned I am not a big fan of this set up and miss NKs and I think it is getting me a little frustrated with the whole set up leaning towards paranoia.

I'm very excited to try the noob game or a more standard set up. The only have three to vote for and no way for wolves to retaliate feels frustrating.

 

[samac]

Fair counters.

Do we think Fruit would bus regardless of what he said? (sorry if this has been covered, brain is very mush today).

I'm certainly not blameless in the indy situation. Like I said, I was the one who instigated, it was just a truly bad read.

I'm not sold on w!zenge OR v!zenge right now.

I am not convinced we have a village board today, but I also don't know where the wolf lies if we don't.

I dunno. I don't have a lot of data with him as a new player, but if he did decide to he's cashing in those chips hes trying to claim early.

 

[samac]

Rae moves a little, but it is mostly just changing her color from yellow to green...and back and forth

Spoiler

Rough impressions

samac
Clem
JJJ
SAR
rae
Zenge
WZ
genny
April

Indy’s neutral with rae

Samac
JJJ
April
Zenge
Rae
WZ
SAR
Stagg
genny
Indy
DVMD
PSV
Clem

still think samac > rae > clem from most to least village

But

Hmm

I’m still feeling samac > rae > clem i think

In that i still want to go after psv and dvmd primarily, considering genny as well

I don’t think april is unpaired from stagg

Indy’s ok, rae probably unclear

I also think given how D1 went, we need to consider wolves giving off village vibes

I have a lot of green reads that i think a wolf may be lying among them

so i don’t think clem is a wolf

But we need to consider rae as one possibility as well as samac i think

Rae isn’t really unpaired from stagg though

She had like 5 orange/sus reads and placed a vote on stagg (that’s presented as an idk read) for activity reasons

I think samac > clem > rae

Maybe

strongest to weakest treatment of stagg (or most active to most passive)

WZ > JJJ > samac > Zenge > Indy > SAR > rae

I’m not opposed to the rae vote

Also of the unpopular opinion that indy looks more villagey than rae

samac
JJJ
Zenge
WZ
indy
April
rae
SAR
DVMD
genny
PSV

Its not clear what made rae sufficiently village enough to unpair her from stagg

rae’s case persuaded me

samac
Zenge
WZ
JJJ
April
rae
SAR
DVMD
Indy
genny
PSV

samac
Zenge
WZ
rae
April
SAR
DVMD
indy
genny
PSV

 

[samac]

Genny and PSV after that first reads list are also statically in the bottom...... hmmmm

 

[WildZoo]

Sorry, this is not intentional AtE but I do think it is normal to feel frustration and somewhat flustered when you know you're village and have been pushing your best all game and things feel like they're shifting on you. I feel like Zenge probably felt similarly when he was blocc'd and had to fight for his life. I don't feel as much as I'm fighting for my life but am on the board today as an option as someone who has been trying my best and it is just frustrating.
It is also not fair of me to say it is okay of rae to look at me but not you. I have an unfair expectation of people who know me I think.

It's kind of funny because this seems like a dream set up and like I'd love it when it started "HAHAH WOLFIES CANT BREAK THE BLOCC NOW" but I'm going to be honest I have learned I am not a big fan of this set up and miss NKs and I think it is getting me a little frustrated with the whole set up leaning towards paranoia.

That being said I'm going to feel confident in my village core and not let it shake me.
Fite me from the grave DVMD. Fitttttttttte meeeeeee

Just promise me if this game goes to F3 you'll yeet me in F4 instead okay?

Like I said, i've never caught you wolfing afaik, so yeah I should be allowed to look at you! I get it's frustrating but this isn't me flipping my reads willy nilly, it's not even me flipping my reads at all, it's me laying everything out so that if I get it wrong I can at least feel good that I tried my best.

I am hoping to therefore avoid even getting to f4, and barring that be confident in my most village reads going into it so I won't fall for paranoia traps. When I re-evaluated Zenge last game it allowed me to feel good about fighting for his life for him. I am hoping to get to that place with enough people here, before true endgame paranoia hits, so that I can avoid spiraling.

 

[samac]

Like I said, i've never caught you wolfing afaik, so yeah I should be allowed to look at you! I get it's frustrating but this isn't me flipping my reads willy nilly, it's not even me flipping my reads at all, it's me laying everything out so that if I get it wrong I can at least feel good that I tried my best.

I am hoping to therefore avoid even getting to f4, and barring that be confident in my most village reads going into it so I won't fall for paranoia traps. When I re-evaluated Zenge last game it allowed me to feel good about fighting for his life for him. I am hoping to get to that place with enough people here, before true endgame paranoia hits, so that I can avoid spiraling.

I still don't feel bad about Zenges here tbh

 

[WildZoo]

I still don't feel bad about Zenges here tbh

I don't either. And yet he insists I vote for him

 

[samac]

Blocc: Dubz, PSV, rae, Zenges
Genny
SAR
April

I think is where I'm at......

I do have to say if it is the nooblet G****gG they're getting a best noob nom. But their treatment of me at this juncture feels as would be expected from village noob.

 

[WildZoo]

Do we think Fruit would bus regardless of what he said? (sorry if this has been covered, brain is very mush today).

Agree with samac that we just don't have the data. I believe that he would be inclined not to, I believe that he wouldn't start a major push on a packmate/hell bus them into the ground. But I don't think we know enough to say if he would do some distancing, if he would put packmates lower on his list or manufacture some antagonistic interactions, how he would act if there was a packmate on the board with him, or truly even how the pack would choose who to put up for vote when one of them died.

 

[Zenge142]

I don't either. And yet he insists I vote for him

Join me on Samac then

 

[samac]

Join me on Samac then

Rood!

yeet Zenges

Thunderdome! Thunderdome!

 

[WildZoo]

Blocc: Dubz, PSV, rae, Zenges
Genny
SAR
April

I think is where I'm at......

I do have to say if it is the nooblet G****gG they're getting a best noob nom. But their treatment of me at this juncture feels as would be expected from village noob.

Y'all are just gonna keep dangling SAR out there but I've decided not to worry about it rn since I won't be night killed

I agree if it's the nooblet I would be shook, and I'm probably okay losing to that lol

 

[samac]

Y'all are just gonna keep dangling SAR out there but I've decided not to worry about it rn since I won't be night killed

I agree if it's the nooblet I would be shook, and I'm probably okay losing to that lol

I am 100% okay with losing to her lol.

I get the SAR soul read, but just reading the interactions I don't have what I do to say fully blocc PSV for it ya know.

 

[WildZoo]

I am 100% okay with losing to her lol.

I get the SAR soul read, but just reading the interactions I don't have what I do to say fully blocc PSV for it ya know.

It's fine
I think she's done enough while she's here to deserve it even outside of the soul read but I'm not gonna keep repeating myself right now

 

[WildZoo]

Join me on Samac then

 

[WildZoo]

Wait when did you vote for samac??

 

[samac]

It's fine
I think she's done enough while she's here to deserve it even outside of the soul read but I'm not gonna keep repeating myself right now

(I will say I'm not looking at Stagg at all since he was not here and minimal interactions. I am looking exclusively at fruit)

 

[samac]

Wait when did you vote for samac??

last night I think? He said something like "its my only opportunity to misyeet samac" and moved to me lol

 

[samac]

Genny's treatment of fruit early honestly feels good

Spoiler

yeet fruit

Or just feel ??? and don't want to yeet D1 (Dubz)

unyeet fruit
yeet clem

I feel like that’s what happened. And we got bold+large text from fruit to try to move the vote away from stagg after I moved to Clem as a joke.

that's an interesting collection of tags.

i said earlier i'd pick indy and fruit next.

yeet fruit

never stop fruiting! fruit your heart out!!!

imagine what they could do if they teamed up with fruit

 

[samac]

Genny's treatment of fruit early honestly feels good

in so few posts lol
That early push on a noob packmate even though she went elsewhere just doesn't feel like a w!genny move

 

[samac]

I'm finishing up early today and would like to go home but I know if I do that I will neglect the thread to Date Everything on my playstation.

Bleh

 

[WildZoo]

last night I think? He said something like "its my only opportunity to misyeet samac" and moved to me lol

Oh I must have missed some of the overnight posts or read them in my sleep oops

 

[WildZoo]

The more we comb the thread the more confused I get.

 

[WildZoo]

in so few posts lol
That early push on a noob packmate even though she went elsewhere just doesn't feel like a w!genny move

What if he begged for the bussing though?

It's a good point, just not terribly strong imo

 

[Animal Midwife]

Day 7 Yeet Tally
Zenge (2) - PSV, samac
samac (1) - Zenge

3/8
yeet close in ~9 hours

 

[samac]

The more we comb the thread the more confused I get.

Ya know
Fair

 

[WildZoo]

Okay. If we have basically laid everything out and determined that literally everyone left had at least distancing interactions with the wolves, that tells us that we probably need to consider more closely that 1) Stagg loves bussing and is fine being bussed and 2) fruit has begged to be bussed before

We really need to be careful about points that we give for distancing. And really, really look at context. For example, fruit was in a lot of people's wolf reads from end of d1. That diminishes the credit that we can give for distancing from him from that point forward. I still think given this setup that it would be unlikely for wolves to hell-bus given how much it would hurt to lose that number, but setting the remaining wolf up to look at least decently good if fruit eventually flipped would just be standard strategy.

 

[samac]

Okay. If we have basically laid everything out and determined that literally everyone left had at least distancing interactions with the wolves, that tells us that we probably need to consider more closely that 1) Stagg loves bussing and is fine being bussed and 2) fruit has begged to be bussed before

We really need to be careful about points that we give for distancing. And really, really look at context. For example, fruit was in a lot of people's wolf reads from end of d1. That diminishes the credit that we can give for distancing from him from that point forward. I still think given this setup that it would be unlikely for wolves to hell-bus given how much it would hurt to lose that number, but setting the remaining wolf up to look at least decently good if fruit eventually flipped would just be standard strategy.

I agree.
It's why April's end of the cycle case on fruit isn't the most convincing, but PSV pairing fruit and Stagg early is.

I'm obviously not counting out bussing Stagg because SAR is my potential contenders but I do think it is worth noting fruit brought attention to the wagon and said he thought it wasn't pure.

 

[Zenge142]

Wait when did you vote for samac??

Are you even reading the thread?!

 

[WildZoo]

Are you even reading the thread?!

Sometimes SDN skips posts!!!!

 

[samac]

@Zenge142 how many enchilada hats for April

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Honestly, I'm kinda done.
I would like to flip Zenge today because he's the one I'm most hesitant about if it's not April. And if it's not him, then he's already said he's going to give us April so we can do that. And if it's not either of them, I'd be willing to more closely eval SAR/genny but I really, really think it's between Zenge/April atp. Even if it isn't, we have the numbers with no NKs to get it right unless someone's really burrowed in the blocc.
I'm quite resistant to a samac yeet today because if it isn't April then we wind back up with wanting to flip Zenge. I'm not sure anyone really believes samac is a wolf except maybe Rae.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

But like, within this setup we can't have Zenge and April thunderdome today. That isn't the decision. The decision is who of these three is the potential wolfiest. If it isn't Zenge then we will storm the castle in his name.

 

[_rae_]

I'm not sure anyone really believes samac is a wolf except maybe Rae.

I'm not even sure *I* believe samac is a wolf. I'm simply sharing stream of consciousness thoughts. Much like dubz' analysis, I can come up with a potential negative for everyone. I just haven't really taken a close look at samac; she's been one of my top village reads since D1.

 

[WildZoo]

Has genny said who she is putting on the ballot if she were voted out today?

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Has genny said who she is putting on the ballot if she were voted out today?

Nope

 

[WildZoo]

I'm obviously not counting out bussing Stagg because SAR is my potential contenders but I do think it is worth noting fruit brought attention to the wagon and said he thought it wasn't pure.

Yeah. Would have been a bit weird for him to draw attention to a bussing packmate like that.

 

[WildZoo]

Honestly, I'm kinda done.
I would like to flip Zenge today because he's the one I'm most hesitant about if it's not April. And if it's not him, then he's already said he's going to give us April so we can do that. And if it's not either of them, I'd be willing to more closely eval SAR/genny but I really, really think it's between Zenge/April atp. Even if it isn't, we have the numbers with no NKs to get it right unless someone's really burrowed in the blocc.
I'm quite resistant to a samac yeet today because if it isn't April then we wind back up with wanting to flip Zenge. I'm not sure anyone really believes samac is a wolf except maybe Rae.

Can you remind me what your hesitations are on Zenge/how you weigh those against his early stagg and fruit reads and vote for Stagg?

 

[WildZoo]

Okay
Torn on Apirl
she was very wishy wash on fruit until late on Saturday and decided to go in.
Felt like she was trying to keep options open. But I do feel like she was pivotal to fruit going over.
You can read the evolution of her read through here.

I just got around to reading all the quotes.

My impression is that the case was good but she gave herself a lot of space to move back to indy if the thread tide turned more that way. But it didn't - more cases came in against fruit, more people came in feeling better about indy. I think that's why SAR and PSV's pushes matter more. They were more definitive anti-fruit and pro-indy (do not forget that SAR made this post as well when indy had four votes and fruit had 2), they worked to close the opportunity for things to shift back.

 

[samac]

I just got around to reading all the quotes.

My impression is that the case was good but she gave herself a lot of space to move back to indy if the thread tide turned more that way. But it didn't - more cases came in against fruit, more people came in feeling better about indy. I think that's why SAR and PSV's pushes matter more. They were more definitive anti-fruit and pro-indy (do not forget that SAR made this post as well when indy had four votes and fruit had 2), they worked to close the opportunity for things to shift back.

That is fair.

 

[samac]

Honestly, I'm kinda done.
I would like to flip Zenge today because he's the one I'm most hesitant about if it's not April. And if it's not him, then he's already said he's going to give us April so we can do that. And if it's not either of them, I'd be willing to more closely eval SAR/genny but I really, really think it's between Zenge/April atp. Even if it isn't, we have the numbers with no NKs to get it right unless someone's really burrowed in the blocc.
I'm quite resistant to a samac yeet today because if it isn't April then we wind back up with wanting to flip Zenge. I'm not sure anyone really believes samac is a wolf except maybe Rae.

that last point is the only reason I haven't said "YEET ME BABY IM READY TO GO"
cause if its not april itll be the same circle back to Zenges.

 

[samac]

If I go I'm putting up April and Dubz and PSV
Fite me