Deaths in OMFS

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How often do patients die in OMFS? I know that you guys in intern year probably see a number of deaths because you're helping with general surg. patients, but as far as strictly OMFS cases--I'd imagine patients don't die much from whatever is requiring surgery by an OMFS. Please correct me if I'm wrong. thanks. 🙂
 
Like other surgical specialties, it depends on the type of surgery and the general health of the patient. It's almost unheard of in the typical healthy 17-year-old kid getting wisdom teeth out. It's more common in 73-year-old smokers with COPD, CHF, prior MIs, who is getting a tongue-jaw-neck resection, G-tube and free fibula flap all at once. You invade almost every body cavity in this scenario and cause some major fluid shifts and hemodynamic changes in an already compromised patient. They spend a few days in the ICU even in the best scenario. If you really want to know more, google the Goldman criteria for perioperative risk stratification (I think his name was Goldman) which highlights the factors that increase the perioperative risk for non-cardiac surgery in different types of patients

In general, it's rare in OMFS but it happens.
 
White Zin said:
How often do patients die in OMFS? I know that you guys in intern year probably see a number of deaths because you're helping with general surg. patients, but as far as strictly OMFS cases--I'd imagine patients don't die much from whatever is requiring surgery by an OMFS. Please correct me if I'm wrong. thanks. 🙂

We've had a few near deaths since I have been here... oh wait, those were interns not patients, sorry....and it wasn't surgery is was hard labor..... 😀
 
esclavo said:
We've had a few near deaths since I have been here... oh wait, those were interns not patients, sorry....and it wasn't surgery is was hard labor..... 😀
:laugh: :laugh:
 
White Zin said:
How often do patients die in OMFS? I know that you guys in intern year probably see a number of deaths because you're helping with general surg. patients, but as far as strictly OMFS cases--I'd imagine patients don't die much from whatever is requiring surgery by an OMFS. Please correct me if I'm wrong. thanks. 🙂


When you are called in as a consulting service on a multi-trauma case it happens more than you would like. For primary cases almost never.
 
White Zin said:
How often do patients die in OMFS? I know that you guys in intern year probably see a number of deaths because you're helping with general surg. patients, but as far as strictly OMFS cases--I'd imagine patients don't die much from whatever is requiring surgery by an OMFS. Please correct me if I'm wrong. thanks. 🙂

We've had a lot of single women die in our practice.... died of broken hearts in the consult appointment when they found out we were all married....died before we could even operate on them (bifid has insisted on doing mouth to mouth resuscitation on them but we are suspicious that this has hastened their expiration rather than revived them-thus we don't let him do it any more on our patients. Look for the forth coming article in the JOMS: "Mouth to Mouth resuscitation by Bifid Uvula associated with increased risk of demise and anoxic brain injury: a review of 1 human case and 12 German Shepherds")

I'm not going to practice with anymore handsome partners.... I want all ugly partners like myself because I find alot more patients chose to have the elective sedation so they don't have to bear our "ugly mugs" while we're operating. We'll be the only practice in the world that places corneal eye shields on all of our awake patients just for patient comfort. 🙁 🙁 But we'll make sure our wretched homeliness will be financially beneficial... 🙂
 
Wow, i feel like i just woke up from a coma... its been ages to even read what's going on here. Of course, I come back to this... bravo my dear esclavo, bravo...

on a side note, word has it with all this immigration stuff, he'll probably get deported back any day now. If that fails, then I guess I can always have him put on one of those watch-lists/do-no-fly thingies and we'll send him of to G'Mo :meanie: :meanie:
 
esclavo said:
We've had a few near deaths since I have been here... oh wait, those were interns not patients, sorry....and it wasn't surgery is was hard labor..... 😀
I hadn't seen Bifid on here in a while--was he one of them? Poor guy...heh heh...now I have a spot!

Edit: Damn...didn't see your last post, Bifid...
 
OMFSCardsFan said:
I hadn't seen Bifid on here in a while--was he one of them? Poor guy...heh heh...now I have a spot!

Edit: Damn...didn't see your last post, Bifid...

Bifid had died of hard labor related injuries. But when no family would come and get the rotting Bifid body, we decided to donate it to the medical school history and physical diagnosis course. Word has it that Bifid came back to life when a fat fingered medical student attempted to do his first rectal exam on the poor dead Bifid body. Instantaneous resurrection at the expense of a torn anus....good thing he decided to come back to life because the next med student in line to do the rectal examination was a 6 foot 7 dude with Marfan's syndrome.... would have been able to tickle his tonsils via the rectum...if that wouldn't wake you from the dead, I don't know what would...
 
Does the # of deaths also relate to the area in which you do your residency? My pops did his res. in Detroit 86-89 and they called it the 'knife and gun club'.

In other words could Detroit, as opposed to lets say a 'nicer' town in Pahrump, NV (example) see more carnage?
 
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1992Corolla said:
Does the # of deaths also relate to the area in which you do your residency? My pops did his res. in Detroit 86-89 and they called it the 'knife and gun club'.

In other words could Detroit, as opposed to lets say a 'nicer' town in Pahrump, NV (example) see more carnage?

"knife and gun club" is a trite phrase used by hundreds of residencies of all kinds across the nation from coast to coast. It only denotes that there is a fair amount of penetrating trauma. Any big city program probably can call itself a "knife and gun" club. Trauma can be divided into two large categories-blunt trauma (interpersonal violence without knives and guns, MVA's, human vs animals that don't bite like horses and cows, sporting accidents not including fencing or dart throwing, industrial accidents that involve gravity) and penetrating trauma (knives, guns, projectiles of all sorts).

I think the hardest trauma I've had to deal with was a cow which became angry and decided to stomp the snot out of this old guy. He kept on telling me he had a cow that became enraged. I searched the literature, text books and there just aren't alot of helpful tips on "bovine" related injuries. I searched all the current literature data bases for "mad cow" and the only mechanism of injury that those "mad cows" used was something called a prion and they made the poor people eat their prions and the people got sick (british cows... go figure... much more civilized type of beast compared to this outlaw American cow I had on my hands). I came to the conclusion that this cow I was dealing with was a bit more "mad" than those cows. This cow actually stomped this guy to pieces!

If Detroit is a "knife and gun club" then here in Urbana, Illinois I guess we'd be called ......... a "car and cow" club which doesn't sound quite as cool or sexy as "knife and gun" but I guess its still a little better than a "dog and pony show" which is what I've heard Shreve is becoming since Cardsfan arrrived there 😀 😀
 
Good to know...I guess. 😀
Thats what he called it in 86-89. I bet he coined it and now everyone uses it. 😉 It doesn't suprise me though that other places get called this. So, back to OT, did the guy live?

esclavo said:
"knife and gun club" is a trite phrase used by hundreds of residencies of all kinds across the nation from coast to coast. It only denotes that there is a fair amount of penetrating trauma. Any big city program probably can call itself a "knife and gun" club. Trauma can be divided into two large categories-blunt trauma (interpersonal violence without knives and guns, MVA's, human vs animals that don't bite like horses and cows, sporting accidents not including fencing or dart throwing, industrial accidents that involve gravity) and penetrating trauma (knives, guns, projectiles of all sorts).

I think the hardest trauma I've had to deal with was a cow which became angry and decided to stomp the snot out of this old guy. He kept on telling me he had a cow that became enraged. I searched the literature, text books and there just aren't alot of helpful tips on "bovine" related injuries. I searched all the current literature data bases for "mad cow" and the only mechanism of injury that those "mad cows" used was something called a prion and they made the poor people eat their prions and the people got sick (british cows... go figure... much more civilized type of beast compared to this outlaw American cow I had on my hands). I came to the conclusion that this cow I was dealing with was a bit more "mad" than those cows. This cow actually stomped this guy to pieces!

If Detroit is a "knife and gun club" then here in Urbana, Illinois I guess we'd be called ......... a "car and cow" club which doesn't sound quite as cool or sexy as "knife and gun" but I guess its still a little better than a "dog and pony show" which is what I've heard Shreve is becoming since Cardsfan arrrived there 😀 😀
 
1992Corolla said:
Good to know...I guess. 😀
Thats what he called it in 86-89. I bet he coined it and now everyone uses it. 😉 It doesn't suprise me though that other places get called this. So, back to OT, did the guy live?

yup, he was a tough cowboy (real cowboy, not one of these Hollywood cowboy fabrications that have tender feelings for other cowboys). Grade III liver lacertacion, spleen lac, fx pelvis with a bladder perf, bilateral pneumothoracies (including a flail chest segment). Pure thorax/abdominal injuries. When I discharged him, he promised he would invite me to the bar-b-q... no word yet though. I have my bottle of worchester sauce ready....I'm just waiting by the mailbox for the invitation.... spring time... fire up the grill!

I am a card carrying member of PETA (people eating tasty animals). Some of you might have heard of it... kind of new... I founded the organization in 2001 in my basement with some other buddies.... we're up to about 18 members world wide. Our official organization symbol is a pair of grilling tongs crossed with a big grilling fork....
 
esclavo said:
I am a card carrying member of PETA (people eating tasty animals). Some of you might have heard of it... kind of new... I founded the organization in 2001 in my basement with some other buddies.... we're up to about 18 members world wide. Our official organization symbol is a pair of grilling tongs crossed with a big grilling fork....

PETA... sign me up! We should sign up our Arkansas resident too, but he'll have to promise not to feed us roadkill. Hard enough breaking his other "southern habits"
 
esclavo said:
I guess its still a little better than a "dog and pony show" which is what I've heard Shreve is becoming since Cardsfan arrrived there...
You know, now that I think about it, we do have to treat a lot of STDs in the hind-ends of these animals...

I think we'd be appropriately called the "beer bottle and ATV" club...
 
OMFSCardsFan said:
You know, now that I think about it, we do have to treat a lot of STDs in the hind-ends of these animals...

I think we'd be appropriately called the "beer bottle and ATV" club...

That brings back many memories. I think when I was at Shreve we did 3 mandibles in the clinic within 36 hours which were all products of beer bottles... thanks for the memories... it was such a blast.
 
The funniset case my dad saw in detroit was a patient they were familiar with because he always got drunk, mouthed off to the wrong people and came in with multiple face fractures. (I'm sure some of you have patients like this)

One time he came in unconscious with a 9 iron buried into his skull. The head of the golf club managed to end up between the lobes of his brain. The funny part of the case is the slide he has of the radiograph. It is a side view (lateral?) of the head. The club head is as apparent as the noon day sun and includes a 2 inch portion of the club shaft.

He was in the hospital for a week and walked out in full function.
 
1992Corolla said:
The funniset case my dad saw in detroit was a patient they were familiar with because he always got drunk, mouthed off to the wrong people and came in with multiple face fractures. (I'm sure some of you have patients like this)

One time he came in unconscious with a 9 iron buried into his skull. The head of the golf club managed to end up between the lobes of his brain. The funny part of the case is the slide he has of the radiograph. It is a side view (lateral?) of the head. The club head is as apparent as the noon day sun and includes a 2 inch portion of the club shaft.

He was in the hospital for a week and walked out in full function.

Full function for that guy doesn't sound like it would be much function for successful existence.... probably a little too disinhibited from multiple frontal lobe injuries and couldn't keep his mouth shut or smart enought to ditch the bottle....
 
esclavo said:
Full function for that guy doesn't sound like it would be much function for successful existence.... probably a little too disinhibited from multiple frontal lobe injuries and couldn't keep his mouth shut or smart enought to ditch the bottle....
😀 😀
This is a good point.
 
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