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[circa86]

kbb is the worst test prep of all time for the reason you mentioned above. soooo many f'ng errors i almost lit it on fire right on my table. i think mine is sitting somewhere in the nearest landfill.

ps. start that cliff's asap. it's long and tedious despite the deceiving page count

 

[IraqYourWorld]

I took the 2012 KBB online test today. I don't know if it was just me, but my chem/o-chem scores were significantly lower than some of the other tests I have been taking.

I feel as if Kaplan purposely increases the difficulty of their exams to get you to take their class.

 

[Mr. Thirsty]

Almost done with the KBB (I have both the 2012 and last edition, and both are RIDDLED with errors/typos) and just felt like typing this up here since you guys are going through the same thing I am. I'm a little behind on the schedule I made for myself, and I've been procrastinating a little lately, but I'm not worried yet. Plan on finishing up this book, and blowing (I mean 80+ pages a day) through Cliff's Bio, so I can start taking practice tests on Monday.

I'm going through SDN right now trying to find target scores for Kaplan Practice tests, DatQVault, and Achiever. (I like to set goals, kind of helps me get through these rough spots.) SUCKS that TopScore is only for PCs... but I guess I'll be fine with those.

As far as the actual DAT goes, I'll be satisfied with a minimum of 18 on every section, shooting for a minimum of 20 on every section. (18 seems to be the highest cutoff out of all the schools, which in that case, seems like a solid score to fall back on.)

Deciding whether I have time to watch the Heat game tonight... : (
Probably not...Little over 3 weeks left...

Push through man you got this!
And yeah KBB is terrible. I have only used it for Bio so far but it is TERRIBLE at explaining things (I have the 2010 version so it at least has less errors.) It will often have key vocab words in bold and then not even describe what they are. Might as well use wikipedia. Cliffs AP bio is great and so worth it for $10. I have been getting through 3 to 4 chapters of Cliffs a day just because it is so much easier to understand and it is easier to push on when stuff is making sense. If some of the chapters are your weak areas try outlining those ones. I did this with plants photosystems and it helped a lot and plus it makes a nice outline for you to review.

Good luck!

 

[dymm]

I only used KBB sparingly. But I would definitely recommend all the other popular DAT-prep materials like Chad's vids, destroyers, etc...

As for the practice tests, ADA 07, ADA 09, Achiever, and Topscore should prepare you really well for the DAT. My scores for Topscore were the most indicative of my DAT scores so maybe you could use a friend's computer or something to do those tests.

p.s. maybe you can record the game and watch it when you have some time to spare.. after a long day of studying hardddd haha. I'm sure all you hard work will be paid off with great DAT scores.. good luck!

 

[dymm]

Thanks Elliot!

And Dymm, as far as the game went, I just decided to watch the highlights (Almost the same, right? haha)

I ended up taking my first Kaplan practice test today, and got above a 20 on everything except for GC, OC, and QR. I'm still slow in terms of speed, but I actually feel pretty good, since I still have a good amount of time left to get stronger in all of those areas. Just have to keep chugging along.

Starting Destroyer tomorrow (Pray for me...), and I'll probably start Achiever/TopScore next week so I don't take a huge blow to my confidence before I'm ready.

QUESTION:
Is it worth it to get ADA 09? I don't mind spending the $40, but is it any more valuable than the free ADA 07 already is? (I kind of already know what answer I'm going to get haha)

As far as the destroyer goes, please don't get discouraged if you find yourself struggling on your first run. Everything will come to you as you solve the problems over and over again (I started to feel comfortable on my 3rd run through GC section 😎).

I just looked up the free ADA 2007 DAT. It only has one passage for RC... so you can't really simulate a full 4 hours and 15 minutes that DAT brings to the table. I can't quite remember if ADA 09 is a full test (I pretty sure it is), but in any case I would definitely get it just so I can practice and do the the only full length test that is given out by the ADA (the same association that conducts the DAT 😎).

 

[Bobby Fischer]

Push through man you got this!
And yeah KBB is terrible. I have only used it for Bio so far but it is TERRIBLE at explaining things (I have the 2010 version so it at least has less errors.) It will often have key vocab words in bold and then not even describe what they are. Might as well use wikipedia. Cliffs AP bio is great and so worth it for $10. I have been getting through 3 to 4 chapters of Cliffs a day just because it is so much easier to understand and it is easier to push on when stuff is making sense. If some of the chapters are your weak areas try outlining those ones. I did this with plants photosystems and it helped a lot and plus it makes a nice outline for you to review.

Good luck!

Funny you are discussing the errors in KBB and mentioned Cliffs.

I have been going through Cliffs for about 3 weeks and chapter 3 cellular respiration was bothering me, specifically figure 4-2.

So to make a long story short I did a little digging today and compared my Bio text to figure 4-2 and Cliffs is definitely dead wrong. Basically I crossed out the entireity of Cliffs figure 4-2 and told myself to review the diagrams in my Bio text for mitochondria and where cellular respiration takes place.

Despite this (1) error I have identified (so far)...I do very much like Cliffs Bio. There is something magical about the way it has been compiled and written. Of course it is concise, but the information has been condensed in an efficient AND useful way which reinforces systematic thinking.👍

 

[Kratoz24x]

whats wrong with it?

 

[Bobby Fischer]

whats wrong with it?

Cristae not accounted for, nor are the pores in the outer membrane or the carrier proteins in the inner membrane. The two diagrams of fig 4-2 are dead wrong in their crudeness/ vulgarity in this respect. Oversimplified to the point of being misleading.

That said, I am approx. 2/3rds through Cliffs and this is the only glaring error and ommission I have identified thus far. I think Cliffs is great overall 👍

 

[Mr. Thirsty]

Cristae not accounted for, nor are the pores in the outer membrane or the carrier proteins in the inner membrane. The two diagrams of fig 4-2 are dead wrong in their crudeness/ vulgarity in this respect. Oversimplified to the point of being misleading.

That said, I am approx. 2/3rds through Cliffs and this is the only glaring error and ommission I have identified thus far. I think Cliffs is great overall 👍

It seems to be correct in that diagram, minus the fact that they don't label any cytochromes. Cristae are accounted for in the small image right above figure 4-2. I agree that they should have labeled the coenzyme Q, and maybe shown cytochromes, but I think everything else is in detail enough for the DAT.