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sorry, Mormonism is fake, my bad

 

[mazinger]

I met a couple of mormon residents at Mayo Rochester. Very friendly people by the way..

 

[starsop93]

Utah.

 

[Bertelman]

P.S. I know every program varies on the residents and how they feel, but there still are residencies that have a higher proportion of LDS residents do to there more than average acceptance of them.

I'm not sure I understand how this would even come up during the interview. I think if there are residencies that take Mormons, it is out of chance. I doubt there are programs that are sympathetic to the Mormon cause, likewise there are not any programs that purposefully exclude them.

 

[pgy13]

I'm not sure I understand how this would even come up during the interview. I think if there are residencies that take Mormons, it is out of chance. I doubt there are programs that are sympathetic to the Mormon cause, likewise there are not any programs that purposefully exclude them.

Easy to tell for most of the men, as they've done a 2 year mission somewhere in the middle of their college years. Actually makes for interesting interview conversations about where they were assigned, not from a religious standpoint, but local challenges, etc.

 

[Gardner]

Utah.

I don't know if the residency is different than the med school in this aspect, but I have heard (from non-mormons who attended) that the med school has a strong anti-LDS bias.

I don't think there would generally be an anti-mormon bias when looking at residencies. Don't get too focused on finding a bias - you just might find it if you look hard enough. I don't think most people care what religion, if any, you ascribe to.

 

[Heeed!]

The first thing the residents asked me when I rotated as a medical student was "Are you Mormon?....Then you're in." For some reason, there are a lot of LDS residents in the Wilford Hall/BAMC Anesthesiology program...but you'll have to sign your life away on the dotted line before you apply.

 

[Planktonmd]

I am curious, and excuse my ignorance in advance, but why should your religious affiliation have anything to do with which residency program you get accepted to?
In my opinion if a program is willing to modify their acceptance criteria to suit certain religious groups they should be avoided because they obviously have chosen religious politics over science.

 

[Gern Blansten]

I'm starting to look at anesthesia programs now, and I was wondering if anyone knew which programs tend to be LDS/Mormon friendly? Also, if anybody knows any programs that might be hostile/not-as-nice to those of the LDS faith, that'd be great. Thanks!

P.S. I know every program varies on the residents and how they feel, but there still are residencies that have a higher proportion of LDS residents do to there more than average acceptance of them.

I would concentrate on being the best candidate you can be regardless of religion. I have not heard of programs selecting a candidate based on religion. If it does happen, they probably are not going to talk about it, so you won't know anyway. As PGY13 stated, it is pretty easy to tell who is Mormon(another tipoff besides the 2 year mission is their impeccably fluent spanish-since many of their mission trips are in spanish speaking countries). But, I think religious issues should not be discussed by the program unless brought up specifically by the candidate or mentioned in their application-which most usually mention it. Other religions seldom mention religious affiliation except that some list sunday school teaching positions.

I would not worry about it. If you are a good candidate, you will get a bunch of interview offers. If you are a poor candidate, you might not. Same as everybody else.

 

[SexPanther]

We have a lot of Mormons here at Vandy. I affectionately refer to them as the "Mormon Mafia." Some of the nicest people I've ever met in my life.

 

[RickKane]

I know every program varies on the residents and how they feel, but there still are residencies that have a higher proportion of LDS residents do to there more than average acceptance of them.

I think any increased/decreased proportion of Mormons in any given residency is more a factor of geography location rather than favoritism or discrimination. The majority of Mormons live out west...usually higher percentage of Mormons in residencies in the west. I agree with Gern religion should play no part in selection of residency by the canidate or program.

LDS U.S. Statistics (Selected States):
Percent LDS
Utah 72%
Idaho 27%
Wyoming 11%
Nevada 7.1%
Arizona 6.0%
Montana 4.6%
Hawaii 5.1%
Oregon 4.0%
Washington 3.9%
Alaska 4.2%

Number LDS
Utah 1,720,434
California 761,763
Idaho 376,661
Arizona 346,677
Washington 241,908
Texas 243,957
Oregon 141,482
Nevada 165,498
Colorado 126,118
Florida 123,209

 

[DOanesthesia]

St. Louis University had quite a few LDS residents if I remember correctly.

 

[RussianJoo]

Easy to tell for most of the men, as they've done a 2 year mission somewhere in the middle of their college years. Actually makes for interesting interview conversations about where they were assigned, not from a religious standpoint, but local challenges, etc.

how would a residency program see that you took a two years off to do a mission during college? Do you send residency programs your college transcript?

 

[zippy2u]

Had some of these dudes in my residency. They were in their 20s and had like 5 kids a piece. They seemed to like bicycles a lot. They stayed away from me 'cause I smoked and drank like a fish. It didn't help when I told them I had a bunch of serial killers in my genealogical line... Regards, ----Zippy

 

[FutureHuskerDoc]

Had some of these dudes in my residency. They were in their 20s and had like 5 kids a piece. They seemed to like bicycles a lot. ............

There's a bunch of mormon dudes in my med school class. I mean a lot....I'd say 30-40% of the males in my class. Like zippy said, they are all married with a $hit ton of kids, but are also really great guys. (That sounds like I hate kids, huh?) I'm get along really well with them, but also know better than to ask them if they wanna go grab a beer after exams......Guess I just don't see what the big deal is.

 

[Indie4]

I think any increased/decreased proportion of Mormons in any given residency is more a factor of geography location rather than favoritism or discrimination. The majority of Mormons live out west...usually higher percentage of Mormons in residencies in the west. I agree with Gern religion should play no part in selection of residency by the canidate or program.

LDS U.S. Statistics (Selected States):
Percent LDS
Utah 72%
Idaho 27%
Wyoming 11%
Nevada 7.1%
Arizona 6.0%
Montana 4.6%
Hawaii 5.1%
Oregon 4.0%
Washington 3.9%
Alaska 4.2%

Number LDS
Utah 1,720,434
California 761,763
Idaho 376,661
Arizona 346,677
Washington 241,908
Texas 243,957
Oregon 141,482
Nevada 165,498
Colorado 126,118
Florida 123,209

This may be true to some extent, but when I interviewed at Kirksville-COM there seemed to be a lot of BYU grads out there. A disproportionate amount anyway. Also had a lot at Des Moines University.

 

[nociceptor]

I'm starting to look at anesthesia programs now, and I was wondering if anyone knew which programs tend to be LDS/Mormon friendly? Also, if anybody knows any programs that might be hostile/not-as-nice to those of the LDS faith, that'd be great. Thanks!

P.S. I know every program varies on the residents and how they feel, but there still are residencies that have a higher proportion of LDS residents do to there more than average acceptance of them.

There are quite a few mormon program directors. they usually have pictures of large ornate building which I later learned were temples. They also typically have unusually happy families with pictures which always reminded me of a hallmark card. Nice people to a fault.

I once heard a lecture where the AMA person said the future of medicine is mormons.

Normally I would insert a picture of a polygamous family here but I am educated enough to know that Mormons don't have polygamous families and currently detest the practice.

Best of luck!

 

[Intubate]

I'm starting to look at anesthesia programs now, and I was wondering if anyone knew which programs tend to be LDS/Mormon friendly? Also, if anybody knows any programs that might be hostile/not-as-nice to those of the LDS faith, that'd be great. Thanks!

P.S. I know every program varies on the residents and how they feel, but there still are residencies that have a higher proportion of LDS residents do to there more than average acceptance of them.

Why don't you just get a peep stone and find out for yourself?

 

[pgy13]

how would a residency program see that you took a two years off to do a mission during college? Do you send residency programs your college transcript?

Listed on the CV.

 

[drusso]

I've heard that some PD's do like LDS applicants because they tend to be "low maintenance" residents.

 

[LongSnow]

Univ of Florida

 

[Gern Blansten]

Thanks for the advise, but I'm not worrying about how it will effect my candidacy. Rather I wanted to know because I would like to go to a residency, if I can, that has some people similar to myself. Don't get me wrong, I think my current non-LDS classmates are great, but it's always cool when you can have a friends that understand you from a work and spiritual point of view.

If this is extremely important to you, the answer is couples match with another mormon.

 

[Planktonmd]

Thanks for the advice, Intubate, I'm glad to hear you have no hatred for my people at all (note the sarcasm). I mean, seriously, was that appropriate?

Thanks to everybody who has been giving good, honest answers...you're the type of people I want to work with in the future.

I think that was a joke not hatred for anyone's people!
Why is it acceptable to make jokes about god but not about any of his chosen few or representatives on earth?

 

[jrf331]

The first thing the residents asked me when I rotated as a medical student was "Are you Mormon?....Then you're in." For some reason, there are a lot of LDS residents in the Wilford Hall/BAMC Anesthesiology program...but you'll have to sign your life away on the dotted line before you apply.

I am headed there this year, and yes there are lots of LDS residents in all specialties

 

[Heeed!]

...do you have to be in the military to go to Wilford Hall/BAMC?

No...you could be a resident in the UTSA General Surgery program and then you'd get the opportunity to rotate at the flagship of military medicine. There could be other residency programs that have a rotation at WHMC but for the most part, you have to be in the military to work at the military hospitals.

 

[nociceptor]

Thanks for the advice, Intubate, I'm glad to hear you have no hatred for my people at all (note the sarcasm). I mean, seriously, was that appropriate?

Thanks to everybody who has been giving good, honest answers...you're the type of people I want to work with in the future.

I second that, that was a pretty slimy comment by Intubate. Nothing like a little religious bigotry to get the board going.

Advice: stay away from the residency program Intubate is at.

 

[Intubate]

Why don't you just get a peep stone and find out for yourself?

C'mon, that's funny. A joke doesn't mean I hate you. If your embarrassed by your religion, that's your problem, not mine.

 

[Planktonmd]

I second that, that was a pretty slimy comment by Intubate. Nothing like a little religious bigotry to get the board going.

Advice: stay away from the residency program Intubate is at.

Don't you think that expecting a residency program to take into consideration your metaphysical and religious beliefs also could go under the category of "religious bigotry" against the rest of the population (the ones who don't represent God on earth) who don't get any special treatment?

 

[Canrenone]

C'mon, that's funny. A joke doesn't mean I hate you. If your embarrassed by your religion, that's your problem, not mine.

The problem is that it isn't a joke. It is a LIE perpetrated by ANTImormons to incite anger and disrespect against US Mormons.

I purposely put on my application that I was Mormon so that I wouldn't have to work with people like Intubate. This way people who would harass me and make my life difficult can just not offer me an interview.

Do a search on lexus nexus to find out how many Mormons have filed harassments suits against coworkers and bosses for creating a hostile work environment because they think lie filled jokes are a good way to put Mormons in their place. Sorry for my rant but I am sick of people trying to tear down others because they don't like how they look or what they believe. Then to create lies about what they believe and call it a joke. 👎

BruinMD PM me and I can give you specifics and even people to contact. I know hundreds of LDS anesthesiologists in residency.

 

[Heeed!]

Saying a joke in a work environment and posting it on an anonymous message board are two different things to me. Let's not wear the religion on our sleeves, either. There's no way of knowing people's motivation or true intent when they post here. So let's not throw down at the drop of a hat. Put the info on your CV...it will get noticed; possibly brought up in an interview. If they're looking for that, then you're in. If not, don't sweat it...move on to the next one.

Let us all press forward, feasting upon the knowledge to be gained on SDN and all get along.👍

 

[Bertelman]

Saying a joke in a work environment and posting it on an anonymous message board are two different things to me. Let's not wear the religion on our sleeves, either. There's no way of knowing people's motivation or true intent when they post here. So let's not throw down at the drop of a hat. Put the info on your CV...it will get noticed; possibly brought up in an interview. If they're looking for that, then you're in. If not, don't sweat it...move on to the next one.

Let us all press forward, feasting upon the knowledge to be gained on SDN and all get along.👍

👍

I always dislike the "take me as I am or piss off" attitude. I also agree that eliminating the ways we "identify" ourselves and others would lead to fewer judgments, irrational conclusions and....ahem....wars.

 

[Planktonmd]

The problem is that it isn't a joke. It is a LIE perpetrated by ANTImormons to incite anger and disrespect against US Mormons.

I purposely put on my application that I was Mormon so that I wouldn't have to work with people like Intubate. This way people who would harass me and make my life difficult can just not offer me an interview.

Do a search on lexus nexus to find out how many Mormons have filed harassments suits against coworkers and bosses for creating a hostile work environment because they think lie filled jokes are a good way to put Mormons in their place. Sorry for my rant but I am sick of people trying to tear down others because they don't like how they look or what they believe. Then to create lies about what they believe and call it a joke. 👎

BruinMD PM me and I can give you specifics and even people to contact. I know hundreds of LDS anesthesiologists in residency.

I don't get it!
Why should your religious affiliation have anything to do with your medical training? and why should the residency program give you any special treatment?
No one will care how you choose to worship whatever it is that you worship unless you decide to make an issue out of it.
I thought we were living in the 21st century and dealing with reasonably educated people.

 

[cfdavid]

I am curious, and excuse my ignorance in advance, but why should your religious affiliation have anything to do with which residency program you get accepted to?
In my opinion if a program is willing to modify their acceptance criteria to suit certain religious groups they should be avoided because they obviously have chosen religious politics over science.

Yeah, no kidding. WTF? I know reality is reality, but if there's bias that can be proven, it should be addressed fiercely.

 

[Canrenone]

I don't get it!
Why should your religious affiliation have anything to do with your medical training?

It shouldn't. Thank you!

But since there are people that treat others of different religions horribly, I and others try to avoid religious bigots. It isn't a healthy working environment to have someone always telling you that you are wrong, stupid, and going to hell. Or to recite to you phrases that have been historically used to incite religious hatred against you.

and why should the residency program give you any special treatment?

They should not give us special treatment. We don't want to go to a program that would treat us like second class citizens because they either heard some lie about our religion or don't like or agree with our religion.

No one will care how you choose to worship whatever it is that you worship unless you decide to make an issue out of it.

Thank you and when we live in that perfect world I hope you and I are both there. If people didn't make an issue out of religion or skin color or heritage I wouldn't put it conspicuously on my application to ward off people who would later make for a hostile work environment.

I thought we were living in the 21st century and dealing with reasonably educated people.

Educated yes, but also blinded by their hatred.

Did you know that in the 21st century people start wars because they don't like other people's religion or lack of?

 

[Planktonmd]

It shouldn't. Thank you!

But since there are people that treat others of different religions horribly, I and others try to avoid religious bigots. It isn't a healthy working environment to have someone always telling you that you are wrong, stupid, and going to hell. Or to recite to you phrases that have been historically used to incite religious hatred against you.





They should not give us special treatment. We don't want to go to a program that would treat us like second class citizens because they either heard some lie about our religion or don't like or agree with our religion.




Thank you and when we live in that perfect world I hope you and I are both there. If people didn't make an issue out of religion or skin color or heritage I wouldn't put it conspicuously on my application to ward off people who would later make for a hostile work environment.




Educated yes, but also blinded by their hatred.

Did you know that in the 21st century people start wars because they don't like other people's religion or lack of?

People will only discuss religion with you if you agree to discuss it with them.
If you keep your beliefs out of the work environment no one can force you into a religious debate, and if they do you can just say shut up and move on.
On the other hand some people like to be martyrs and it is part of their belief system to keep reminding everyone that they are the chosen god representatives on earth, if you are one of those then don't be offended if you find out that many people might disagree with you.

 

[camkiss]

Doesn't it make sense, though, to look for programs where you might have a colleague who shares a common interest such as religion? A Mormon (Orthodox Jew, strict Baptist, Muslim, etc) may not feel comfortable in a program where all the residents sleep around and guzzle beer all the time when not at work. Just like a married guy might not like a program where everyone is single or vice versa. They might not feel like they "fit in". While I am not Mormon, I know that they go to church depending on where they live. Wouldn't it be nice to find a residency that has a fellow Mormon who can tell you what ward (church) they go to so you can look for housing in that area? I don't see why the OPs question is getting bashed this hard.

My residency program has about 2-3/10 per class Mormons. To the OP: feel free to send me a PM.

 

[Heeed!]

...then don't be offended if you find out that many people might disagree with you.

That's o.k....they'd still be wrong, though.

South Park:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufNAFVY0Ibo

 

[MacBook]

I'm starting to look at anesthesia programs now, and I was wondering if anyone knew which programs tend to be LDS/Mormon friendly? Also, if anybody knows any programs that might be hostile/not-as-nice to those of the LDS faith, that'd be great. Thanks!

P.S. I know every program varies on the residents and how they feel, but there still are residencies that have a higher proportion of LDS residents do to there more than average acceptance of them.

Did I mention in the past that I'm also LDS and single 😍🙄

 

[2bpainfree]

I have resisted joining SDN, but I feel compelled to comment and give some really good advice:

1. Program directors read this forum. Mine does. So does the one at the program where you hopefully will some day match. Guess what, this is not (very) anonymous. When a program is interested in someone, they can often tell who someone is by reviewing their posts (in multiple forums). Your login name does not help you anonymity (I am assuming that this is related to your school mascot, which combined with LDS should be enough to identify you - if I were you, I would change my login name immediately). In case you thought you were getting input in an anonymous manner that could not come back to hurt you: you are not. Trust me, they can tell.

2. Man up! (you can visit urban dictionary if this phrase is foreign to you). Your question makes Mormons sound hyper-sensitive and needy about who they work with and where they work. I am a Mormon, and I am embarrassed by your question. No matter where you match, have no doubt that you will work with people who have positive and negative views of Mormons. Hopefully, you will contribute to the positive. You are expected to be professional, even when they are not. This is reality. Other people have to put up with gender or race bias in the workplace, which is ugly, so don't feel like you are the only one who has to put up with crap because some people are bigots.

3. You should seek out the best training that will help you become the best anesthesiologist. I am confident that is what Brigham Young would tell you to do. This may not be at a place that has a lot of other LDS folks. I also wish to remain anonymous, but I will tell you that I am an anesthesia resident at a very good program. I am the only LDS guy in my department. I occasionally see a few other LDS residents in other departments at my hospital. At church, I know several other residents at other hospitals in my city. Be a good resident so your department will want to hire other LDS residents.

4. If you are single, you may not want to go to a program with a lot of other LDS residents. Dartmouth (not anesthesia per se) has attracted LDS residents in the past because of family considerations (good place to live for the typical LDS resident with 5 children...). This would not be a good consideration for you, since Hanover NH probably doesn't have a thriving single LDS community (I am guessing - I don't actually know that). I would say the same thing about the armed services medical programs - they may have a lot of LDS residents, but they are certainly married and their situation is probably very different from yours. If I were you, I would be looking in Washington DC, NYC, Boston, probably anywhere in California, Seattle, Utah or other places where there are a lot of single LDS congregations (I hate to use the word "ward"). As someone earlier posted about Mayo having LDS residents, that would be great for a married guy, it would be social suicide for you if you intend to marry an LDS woman.

I'll probably have more to say later... but this is already way too long.. I am stopping for now.

 

[fascinoma]

I have resisted joining SDN, but I feel compelled to comment and give some really good advice:

1. Program directors read this forum. Mine does. So does the one at the program where you hopefully will some day match. Guess what, this is not (very) anonymous. When a program is interested in someone, they can often tell who someone is by reviewing their posts (in multiple forums). Your login name does not help you anonymity (I am assuming that this is related to your school mascot, which combined with LDS should be enough to identify you - if I were you, I would change my login name immediately). In case you thought you were getting input in an anonymous manner that could not come back to hurt you: you are not. Trust me, they can tell.

2. Man up! (you can visit urban dictionary if this phrase is foreign to you). Your question makes Mormons sound hyper-sensitive and needy about who they work with and where they work. I am a Mormon, and I am embarrassed by your question. No matter where you match, have no doubt that you will work with people who have positive and negative views of Mormons. Hopefully, you will contribute to the positive. You are expected to be professional, even when they are not. This is reality. Other people have to put up with gender or race bias in the workplace, which is ugly, so don't feel like you are the only one who has to put up with crap because some people are bigots.

3. You should seek out the best training that will help you become the best anesthesiologist. I am confident that is what Brigham Young would tell you to do. This may not be at a place that has a lot of other LDS folks. I also wish to remain anonymous, but I will tell you that I am an anesthesia resident at a very good program. I am the only LDS guy in my department. I occasionally see a few other LDS residents in other departments at my hospital. At church, I know several other residents at other hospitals in my city. Be a good resident so your department will want to hire other LDS residents.

4. If you are single, you may not want to go to a program with a lot of other LDS residents. Dartmouth (not anesthesia per se) has attracted LDS residents in the past because of family considerations (good place to live for the typical LDS resident with 5 children...). This would not be a good consideration for you, since Hanover NH probably doesn't have a thriving single LDS community (I am guessing - I don't actually know that). I would say the same thing about the armed services medical programs - they may have a lot of LDS residents, but they are certainly married and their situation is probably very different from yours. If I were you, I would be looking in Washington DC, NYC, Boston, probably anywhere in California, Seattle, Utah or other places where there are a lot of single LDS congregations (I hate to use the word "ward"). As someone earlier posted about Mayo having LDS residents, that would be great for a married guy, it would be social suicide for you if you intend to marry an LDS woman.

I'll probably have more to say later... but this is already way to long.. I am stopping for now.

you know, i was just about to post a parody thread labeled "fat/obese friendly residencies" until i read this. the direct manner in which you address this is quite effective...and more useful than the way i was going to address it. 🙂 well done. though, i am sorta upset i can't post my thread now...

 

[Canrenone]

my experience as someone who is of the LDS faith being interviewed for anesthesiology.


PD: Are you LDS, I didn't want to assume?
Me: Yes
PD: Here is a picture of the local temple, and here is a copy of directions to it from here.
Me: Thank you.
PD: Here is map with directions to all the local LDS churches. Resident so and so goes to this church and resident so and so goes to this church.
Me: thank you, that is very kind
PD: we here at program so and so are LDS friendly and we have a lot of residents who are LDS.
Me: wow, thanks.
PD: we want you to know we care about families. here is list of all our insurance benefits. we offer a spouses club etc.
Me: that is great and good to know
PD: If your children get sick we have an agreement with pediatrics to make sure they get seen right away.
Me: really?
PD: We will have you go to lunch with so and so who is LDS resident and he will confirm all of this.
Me: thanks
PD: why haven't you shown me any pictures of your children yet?
Me: sorry, here they are
PD: now tell me about them
Me: blah blah blah
PD: now let me show you my family

as a side note the PD children are always better kept than yours and then when the interview is over you realize you spent almost the whole time talking about each other's families and children. I would walk out thinking I have found shangri-la and if there is a God you are grateful that he put PDs like this on this earth. That no matter what families are just if not more important to the PDs as they are to you.

This was my experience. I hope it helps.

 

[Heeed!]

I have resisted joining SDN, but I feel compelled to comment and give some really good advice:

1. Program directors read this forum. Mine does. So does the one at the program where you hopefully will some day match. Guess what, this is not (very) anonymous. When a program is interested in someone, they can often tell who someone is by reviewing their posts (in multiple forums). Your login name does not help you anonymity (I am assuming that this is related to your school mascot, which combined with LDS should be enough to identify you - if I were you, I would change my login name immediately). In case you thought you were getting input in an anonymous manner that could not come back to hurt you: you are not. Trust me, they can tell.

2. Man up! (you can visit urban dictionary if this phrase is foreign to you). Your question makes Mormons sound hyper-sensitive and needy about who they work with and where they work. I am a Mormon, and I am embarrassed by your question. No matter where you match, have no doubt that you will work with people who have positive and negative views of Mormons. Hopefully, you will contribute to the positive. You are expected to be professional, even when they are not. This is reality. Other people have to put up with gender or race bias in the workplace, which is ugly, so don't feel like you are the only one who has to put up with crap because some people are bigots.

3. You should seek out the best training that will help you become the best anesthesiologist. I am confident that is what Brigham Young would tell you to do. This may not be at a place that has a lot of other LDS folks. I also wish to remain anonymous, but I will tell you that I am an anesthesia resident at a very good program. I am the only LDS guy in my department. I occasionally see a few other LDS residents in other departments at my hospital. At church, I know several other residents at other hospitals in my city. Be a good resident so your department will want to hire other LDS residents.

4. If you are single, you may not want to go to a program with a lot of other LDS residents. Dartmouth (not anesthesia per se) has attracted LDS residents in the past because of family considerations (good place to live for the typical LDS resident with 5 children...). This would not be a good consideration for you, since Hanover NH probably doesn't have a thriving single LDS community (I am guessing - I don't actually know that). I would say the same thing about the armed services medical programs - they may have a lot of LDS residents, but they are certainly married and their situation is probably very different from yours. If I were you, I would be looking in Washington DC, NYC, Boston, probably anywhere in California, Seattle, Utah or other places where there are a lot of single LDS congregations (I hate to use the word "ward"). As someone earlier posted about Mayo having LDS residents, that would be great for a married guy, it would be social suicide for you if you intend to marry an LDS woman.

I'll probably have more to say later... but this is already way too long.. I am stopping for now.

Great post. Concur with above.

 

[Planktonmd]

my experience as someone who is of the LDS faith being interviewed for anesthesiology.


PD: Are you LDS, I didn't want to assume?
Me: Yes
PD: Here is a picture of the local temple, and here is a copy of directions to it from here.
Me: Thank you.
PD: Here is map with directions to all the local LDS churches. Resident so and so goes to this church and resident so and so goes to this church.
Me: thank you, that is very kind
PD: we here at program so and so are LDS friendly and we have a lot of residents who are LDS.
Me: wow, thanks.
PD: we want you to know we care about families. here is list of all our insurance benefits. we offer a spouses club etc.
Me: that is great and good to know
PD: If your children get sick we have an agreement with pediatrics to make sure they get seen right away.
Me: really?
PD: We will have you go to lunch with so and so who is LDS resident and he will confirm all of this.
Me: thanks
PD: why haven't you shown me any pictures of your children yet?
Me: sorry, here they are
PD: now tell me about them
Me: blah blah blah
PD: now let me show you my family

as a side note the PD children are always better kept than yours and then when the interview is over you realize you spent almost the whole time talking about each other's families and children. I would walk out thinking I have found shangri-la and if there is a God you are grateful that he put PDs like this on this earth. That no matter what families are just if not more important to the PDs as they are to you.

This was my experience. I hope it helps.

This is a totally inappropriate interview and actually borders on breaking the law.
These hospitals are supposed to be equal opportunity employers.
Did you just say "If there is a god" ?
I thought you guys were certain about these things.

 

[Heeed!]

This is a totally inappropriate interview and actually borders on breaking the law.
These hospitals are supposed to be equal opportunity employers.
Did you just say "If there is a god" ?
I thought you guys were certain about these things.

It looks like you are, in fact, trying to pick a fight Plankton. You know how interviews go. Since you're an attending, you should know how they go. Get a clue.

 

[Planktonmd]

It looks like you are, in fact, trying to pick a fight Plankton. You know how interviews go. Since you're an attending, you should know how they go. Get a clue.

No, not trying to pick a fight, just attempting to understand why should anyone care about anyone's religious practice if they are not walking around with a big banner advertising it.
You would think that by the time you finish medical school, you become mature enough and educated enough to separate your spiritual and religious rituals from your professional and scientific career, but based on many of the posts here it appears that this is not the case for many of our young doctors, and this in my humble opinion is a very sad reality.

 

[nociceptor]

No, not trying to pick a fight, just attempting to understand why should anyone care about anyone's religious practice if they are not walking around with a big banner advertising it.

I can clearly see that you have purely altruist intentions. HAHAHA


and that you have no axe to grind

I don't expect you to answer this honestly but are you ANESGUY1012??

or are you the head of surgery for Beth Israel?

http://www.boston.com/news/local/ar...ges_gender_bias_against_beth_israel_hospital/



Canrenone: the only complaint that I have against Mormons is that they generally want Sundays off and it is hard to memorize all their names of their children. Usually I try to remember the attendings and fellow residents spouses and children's names. Otherwise Mormons write the BEST recommendations.

 

[swpm]

when the interview is over you realize you spent almost the whole time talking about each other's families and children.

I'm sorry, are you actually holding up your experience interviewing for an anesthesiology residency in which you didn't talk about anesthesiology as a good thing?

Nearly every LDS med student and resident I've ever known has been a pleasure to work with, but let's not take this too far. Religion shouldn't dominate any interview.

When I was interviewing for residency, I had every expectation that the PDs would be looking at my board scores, letters, and overall aptitude for anesthesiology. I would have been angry to the point of litigation to learn that the candidate who interviewed after me got a recruitment pitch because he shared the PD's faith.

That was a grossly inappropriate interview, and I hope you're either fabricating the story entirely, or exaggerating a great deal. Planktonmd is right.

 

[nociceptor]

I'm sorry, are you actually holding up your experience interviewing for an anesthesiology residency in which you didn't talk about anesthesiology as a good thing?

WTF?? where do you guys come from? I hate interviews where they PIMP you. Unless of course they are wearing purple.

Religion shouldn't dominate any interview.

It looks to me like the interview was about families and religion was just the segway. It seems like you are the one that lets religion dominate. All you see out of the interview is religion, religion, religion. Time to get over it.
Generally you discuss what ever subject the interviewer wants. It isn't good for the person who is being interviewed to dominate the conservation.

When I was interviewing for residency, I had every expectation that the PDs would be looking at my board scores, letters, and overall aptitude for anesthesiology. I would have been angry to the point of litigation to learn that the candidate who interviewed after me got a recruitment pitch because he shared the PD's faith.

Where did you interview Ponce, Puerto Rico?

that makes for one cold interview!

I think they have interviews like that to weed out people like you. The litigation happy, can only talk about work type people.

That was a grossly inappropriate interview, and I hope you're either fabricating the story entirely, or exaggerating a great deal. Planktonmd is right.

In my opinion that was an incredible interview. Nothing personal against Canrenone but a brilliant PD uses these types of interviews to weed out people who don't have a work life balance.

I am guessing Canrenone has 3-5 kids. The PD all ready knows she has good scores etc and so he/she doesn't need to bring that up. The PD doesn't know if Canrenone is pleasant to work with, and can manage a challenging residency and 3-5 kids. The PD first brings up something easy that other residents have in common with Canrenone (religion). This puts Canrenone at ease. That easily translates into families since Canrenone is Mormon. The real interview is actually, can Canrenone handle a work-life balance and is Canrenone pleasant to work with.
I think only those with limited understanding of the interview process would think differently.

I had many an interview that didn't touch on anesthesiology. We discussed rock climbing, horse riding, hiking, my pseudo catholic faith etc.:cry:

 

[Planktonmd]

I can clearly see that you have purely altruist intentions. HAHAHA


and that you have no axe to grind

I don't expect you to answer this honestly but are you ANESGUY1012??

or are you the head of surgery for Beth Israel?

http://www.boston.com/news/local/ar...ges_gender_bias_against_beth_israel_hospital/



Canrenone: the only complaint that I have against Mormons is that they generally want Sundays off and it is hard to memorize all their names of their children. Usually I try to remember the attendings and fellow residents spouses and children's names. Otherwise Mormons write the BEST recommendations.

So are you actually the chick in the avatar?
And if you are, you are not one of these poor women:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/04/06/2209129.htm?section=justin
were you?

 

[swpm]

WTF?? where do you guys come from? I hate interviews where they PIMP you.

I'm not talking about anesthesiology fact pimping, though that would certainly be appropriate for an interview.

Inquiries regarding an applicant's religious beliefs are illegal under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. A job interview in which the only topic of discussion is religion, and in which the interviewer hands out religious materials in a clear effort to recruit a particular candidate, is over the line.

It looks to me like the interview was about families and religion was just the segway. It seems like you are the one that lets religion dominate. All you see out of the interview is religion, religion, religion. Time to get over it.

It's entirely possible that in the end there was nothing inappropriate about the program's rank order list. But the description given here certainly reeks of impropriety, and is highly suggestive that religious discrimination played a part in how that applicant was ranked.

Generally you discuss what ever subject the interviewer wants. It isn't good for the person who is being interviewed to dominate the conservation.

Both of these statements may well be true, but they're totally irrelevant to the topic at hand.

I think they have interviews like that to weed out people like you. The litigation happy, can only talk about work type people.

Child, you don't know the first damn thing about me.

And yes, if I was the victim of discriminatory hiring practices, I would take legal action. Don't let your (perhaps well justified) dislike of lawyers and lawsuits obscure the real issue here.

In my opinion that was an incredible interview. Nothing personal against Canrenone but a brilliant PD uses these types of interviews to weed out people who don't have a work life balance.

I am guessing Canrenone has 3-5 kids. The PD all ready knows she has good scores etc and so he/she doesn't need to bring that up. The PD doesn't know if Canrenone is pleasant to work with, and can manage a challenging residency and 3-5 kids. The PD first brings up something easy that other residents have in common with Canrenone (religion). This puts Canrenone at ease. That easily translates into families since Canrenone is Mormon. The real interview is actually, can Canrenone handle a work-life balance and is Canrenone pleasant to work with.
I think only those with limited understanding of the interview process would think differently.

Good interviewers learn these things without crossing the line and asking if the candidate plans to get pregnant, or is over 40 years old, or is a member of a particular religion.

Mormons, on the whole, embody some of the best American traits - service to others, honesty, hard work, patriotism, etc. I can't think of a single LDS colleague with whom I've ever worked that wasn't a great coworker. I have nothing against Mormons.

I had many an interview that didn't touch on anesthesiology. We discussed rock climbing, horse riding, hiking, my pseudo catholic faith etc.:cry:

It's perfectly OK to talk about topics unrelated to work. It's not OK to only talk about religion. The law isn't the slightest bit ambiguous about this. An interview must not be a recruitment pitch based on the candidate's religion.


Your repeated picture posting is about as clever and entertaining as a certain cosmetic surgicenter anesthesiologist's emoticon overload. Please consider lightening up on the picture linking.