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I had never heard of these until I saw a report about them on NBC News; it appears to be a new intermediate-level practitioner, similar to the PA-C or the nurse practitioner, and most of them are currently in Minnesota.

Do any of you work with them, or are one, and what do you think?

I would personally prefer that my fillings and extractions be done by a licensed dentist. It also sounded like something that was created so that Medicaid patients could get some semblance of dental care, because so few dentists take Medicaid (and I am aware of the reasons why).

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ADA released a research article this week actually that stated they analyzed the current dental technicians and programs and after their research they saw no benefit of a Dental Technician in lowering the cost of healthcare and improving access to care. They went on to stand behind DMD/DDS professionals and saw no need for a mid level provider but to rather increase incentives for dentists to go rural. I'll try to find the link and post it when it do!
 
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Our ASDA chapter (Midwestern) has worked very hard with the ADA and ASDOH's ASDA chapter to kill the dental therapist bill in Arizona. We succeeded in killing it with an 8-1 vote during a sunrise session in the Arizona legislature.

In Minnesota, therapists earn a 4.5 year Master's degree. In Arizona, the proposal was for a short program that required only a high school diploma.

The ADA is working very hard to stop dental therapists from expanding to other states. They were voted down in North Dakota recently. They are now allowed to practice in Alaska, Arizona, Ohio, and I believe Vermont. It's possible that more states allow them.

The Pew Foundation is promoting the dental therapist agenda and last I heard the Kellogg Foundation was climbing aboard too.

They are billed as a way to provide access to care for underserved communities. The ADA showed the Arizona legislature that of 58 dental therapists licensed in Minnesota over a given period, only 7 of them were working in underserved areas. 51 either did not work in the field, or worked in the Minneapolis / St. Paul area. I am told by a dental therapist that they are required to keep 50% of their patient base as underserved, but she could not tell me how that is enforced or who enforces it.

During the committee session in the AZ legislature, the therapist lobby brought in a dentist who had employed four DTs on his own. The guy was running a medicaid mill from the sounds of it, and I think the ADA may have pointed that out. Luckily, one of the committee members in the AZ legislature is a practicing dentist and knew all the right questions to ask.

I have seen dental therapists posting on comment feeds about the dental therapy bills throughout the country, and they typically make the following false statements:

"We take the same classes that dentists do."
Not even remotely true:

DDS: https://www.dentistry.umn.edu/sites/dentistry.umn.edu/files/dds_2016_year_by_year.pdf
Therapist: https://www.dentistry.umn.edu/sites...d_dh-dt_color_coded_curriculum_overview_1.pdf

"We take the same boards that dentists do."
-They take one portion of the CRDT exam and I am not sure whether that is abbreviated or not. They do not take the NBDE.

"We are dental students."
-Do I need to explain how ridiculous this is?

"We are as good at restorative as dentists."
-Not from what we heard from the dentists in Minnesota who had hired therapists. I would love to hear from some UMN students if they post here still.

I also wonder if dentists practicing in Minnesota have found it difficult to compete with a dentist who hires dental therapists for basic restorative.

Of course, the biggest problem with mid-levels is exactly what has happened in medicine. You have mid-level creep, and when you give them an inch they take a mile. It starts with non-surgical extractions and before long they want to do all extractions. It starts with basic restorative and before long they are doing crowns and implants.

The scariest thing is the advanced dental therapists' scope of practice: http://mn.gov/boards/assets/Adv Dental therapist_tcm21-46115.pdf

Subd. 4. Medications. (a) An advanced dental therapist may provide, dispense, and administer the following drugs within the parameters of the collaborative management agreement, within the scope of practice of the advanced dental therapist practitioner, and with the authorization of the collaborating dentist: analgesics, anti-inflammatories, and antibiotics. (b) The authority to provide, dispense, and administer shall extend only to the categories of drugs identified in this subdivision, and may be further limited by the collaborative management agreement. (c) The authority to dispense includes the authority to dispense sample drugs within the categories identified in this subdivision if dispensing is permitted by the collaborative management agreement. (d) Notwithstanding paragraph (a), an advanced dental therapist is prohibited from providing, dispensing, or administering a narcotic drug as defined in section 152.01, subdivision 10.

They don't take pharm, they don't take biochem or physiology, they have very little science background to speak of. Scary stuff.

I really hope that dental students across the nation will work hard to keep these folks out of their states too. It is a threat to patient welfare and to our profession and it provides no tangible benefit in reality.
 
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Our ASDA chapter (Midwestern) has worked very hard with the ADA and ASDOH's ASDA chapter to kill the dental therapist bill in Arizona. We succeeded in killing it with an 8-1 vote during a sunrise session in the Arizona legislature.

In Minnesota, therapists earn a Master's degree. In Arizona, the proposal was for a short program that required only a high school diploma.

The ADA is working very hard to stop dental therapists from expanding to other states. They were voted down in North Dakota recently. They are now allowed to practice in Alaska, Arizona, Ohio, and I believe Vermont. It's possible that more states allow them.

They are billed as a way to provide access to care for underserved communities. The ADA showed the Arizona legislature that of 58 dental therapists licensed in Minnesota over a given period, only 7 of them were working in underserved areas. 51 either did not work in the field, or worked in the Minneapolis / St. Paul area. I am told by a dental therapist that they are required to keep 50% of their patient base as underserved, but she could not tell me how that is enforced or who enforces it.

The therapists brought in a dentist who had employed four therapists on his own. The guy was running a medicaid mill from the sounds of it, and I think the ADA may have pointed that out. Luckily, one of the committee members in the AZ legislature is a practicing dentist and knew all the right questions to ask.

I have seen dental therapists posting on comment feeds about the dental therapy bills throughout the country, and they typically make the following false statements:

"We take the same classes that dentists do."
Not even remotely true:

DDS: https://www.dentistry.umn.edu/sites/dentistry.umn.edu/files/dds_2016_year_by_year.pdf
Therapist: https://www.dentistry.umn.edu/sites...d_dh-dt_color_coded_curriculum_overview_1.pdf

"We take the same boards that dentists do."
-They take one portion of the CRDT exam and I am not sure whether that is abbreviated or not. They do not take the NBDE.

"We are dental students."
-Do I need to explain how ridiculous this is?

"We are as good at restorative as dentists."
-Not from what we heard from the dentists in Minnesota who had hired therapists. I would love to hear from some UMN students if they post here still.

I also wonder if dentists practice in Minnesota have found it difficult to compete with a competitor who hires dental therapists for basic restorative.

Of course, the biggest problem with mid-levels is exactly what has happened in medicine. You have mid-level creep, and when you give them an inch they take a mile. It starts with non-surgical extractions and before long they want to do all extractions. It starts with basic restorative and before long they are doing crowns and implants.

The scariest thing is the advanced dental therapists' scope of practice: http://mn.gov/boards/assets/Adv Dental therapist_tcm21-46115.pdf



They don't take pharm, they don't take biochem or physiology, they have very little science background to speak of. Scary stuff.

I really hope that dental students across the nation will work hard to keep these folks out of their states to. It is a threat to patient welfare and to our profession and it provides no tangible benefit in reality.

Great post. Very informative. Wished more posts on here were like this.

with your teeth - it's permanent and irreversible. An incompetent PA diagnosing the wrong skin infection is able to be corrected easily. There is a lot of irreversible damage an incompetent dental therapist could do.
 
Our ASDA chapter (Midwestern) has worked very hard with the ADA and ASDOH's ASDA chapter to kill the dental therapist bill in Arizona. We succeeded in killing it with an 8-1 vote during a sunrise session in the Arizona legislature.

In Minnesota, therapists earn a Master's degree. In Arizona, the proposal was for a short program that required only a high school diploma.

The ADA is working very hard to stop dental therapists from expanding to other states. They were voted down in North Dakota recently. They are now allowed to practice in Alaska, Arizona, Ohio, and I believe Vermont. It's possible that more states allow them.

They are billed as a way to provide access to care for underserved communities. The ADA showed the Arizona legislature that of 58 dental therapists licensed in Minnesota over a given period, only 7 of them were working in underserved areas. 51 either did not work in the field, or worked in the Minneapolis / St. Paul area. I am told by a dental therapist that they are required to keep 50% of their patient base as underserved, but she could not tell me how that is enforced or who enforces it.

The therapists brought in a dentist who had employed four therapists on his own. The guy was running a medicaid mill from the sounds of it, and I think the ADA may have pointed that out. Luckily, one of the committee members in the AZ legislature is a practicing dentist and knew all the right questions to ask.

I have seen dental therapists posting on comment feeds about the dental therapy bills throughout the country, and they typically make the following false statements:

"We take the same classes that dentists do."
Not even remotely true:

DDS: https://www.dentistry.umn.edu/sites/dentistry.umn.edu/files/dds_2016_year_by_year.pdf
Therapist: https://www.dentistry.umn.edu/sites...d_dh-dt_color_coded_curriculum_overview_1.pdf

"We take the same boards that dentists do."
-They take one portion of the CRDT exam and I am not sure whether that is abbreviated or not. They do not take the NBDE.

"We are dental students."
-Do I need to explain how ridiculous this is?

"We are as good at restorative as dentists."
-Not from what we heard from the dentists in Minnesota who had hired therapists. I would love to hear from some UMN students if they post here still.

I also wonder if dentists practicing in Minnesota have found it difficult to compete with a dentist who hires dental therapists for basic restorative.

Of course, the biggest problem with mid-levels is exactly what has happened in medicine. You have mid-level creep, and when you give them an inch they take a mile. It starts with non-surgical extractions and before long they want to do all extractions. It starts with basic restorative and before long they are doing crowns and implants.

The scariest thing is the advanced dental therapists' scope of practice: http://mn.gov/boards/assets/Adv Dental therapist_tcm21-46115.pdf



They don't take pharm, they don't take biochem or physiology, they have very little science background to speak of. Scary stuff.

I really hope that dental students across the nation will work hard to keep these folks out of their states too. It is a threat to patient welfare and to our profession and it provides no tangible benefit in reality.
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Ok. Dental therapists and Advanced Dental Hygiene Practioner's are two different things. I am not in favor of dental therapists. What I am in favor of is ADHPs. I am a licensed dental hygienist in CT. The ADHP or advanced dental hygiene practioner is meant to be used ONLY in a public health setting. They are not going to be "taking over" in private practice. They want to treat the patients that dentist do not want to treat. The reason dentists do not want to see these low income patients is due to the low reimbursement rate for services. It is very sad that you all are so scared of this mid level provider. They are trying to serve the elderly in nursing homes, children in schools and people that live in rural areas that do not have access to a dentist. We also do take pharmacology and A&P just in an associated degree dental hygiene program and take many advanced clinical concept classes throughout the degree completion. Some of these classes are on office management which as dentists you will probably not get. The clinical portion of the ADHP is proposed to be an 18 month clinical course and the academic portion is a master degree in dental hygiene. I have been an RDH for 11 years and am applying to dental school this summer so it is disheartening to heart this negative rhetoric about a mid level provider. A dental hygienist is certainly qualified. Please don't lump "mid level providers" in one group because ADHP are not dental therapists.


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Dental THERAPIST - my bad. The words are so similar.

I know what dental technicians do; they're one of those behind-the-scenes people that nobody thinks about until they find themselves needing one.

Parts of Minnesota are basically being taken over by refugees from certain third-world countries, and I do wonder if discrimination is at least a small factor in this. :wideyed:
 
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