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Since there is a thread called "Pharmacy or Medicine", I thought why not make a similar thread regarding Dentistry.
Why Medicine over Dentistry?
Why Medicine over Dentistry?
Since there is a thread called "Pharmacy or Medicine", I thought why not make a similar thread regarding Dentistry.
Why Medicine over Dentistry?
Since there is a thread called "Pharmacy or Medicine", I thought why not make a similar thread regarding Dentistry.
Why Medicine over Dentistry?
Since there is a thread called "Pharmacy or Medicine", I thought why not make a similar thread regarding Dentistry.
Why Medicine over Dentistry?
Because they teach false knowledges (flouride, xylitol, etc)
While you chose to post an annoying and pointless thread, I'm happy to see you at least cited a precedent.
Dentistry
Pro's: lucrative, very little of dentistry deals with life or death situations
Con's: can become very boring/not very intellectually stimulating (unless you're into research+clinical), the extra "D" in DMD is annoying and cumbersome to write, very little of dentistry deals with life or death situations, can't build a hit drama TV show on dentistry (Colgate's Anatomy )
Medicine
Pro's: greater responsibility/scope of practice for your patients, a little to a lot more intellectually stimulating,
Con's: time investment, not nearly as lucrative,
there's more and better reasons than these
Ok, I'll bite: Why is flouride "false knowledge"?
Because they teach that fluoride helps prevent cavity and is good for children's teeth (even government fluoridates water we drink for that reason). But actually fluoride is toxic chemical substance that is deadly detrimental to our health including teeth.
There are political and social corruptions about this issue why they lie about flouride. If you are curious, just google fluoride and you will get many results.
Because they teach that fluoride helps prevent cavity and is good for children's teeth (even government fluoridates water we drink for that reason). But actually fluoride is toxic chemical substance that is deadly detrimental to our health including teeth. And they also teach that xilitol is bad for our teeth since it is one of "SUGAR" kinds. But actually xilitol is the only known sugar that is beneficial to our teeth.
There are political and social corruptions about this issue why they lie about flouride. If you are curious, just google fluoride and you will get many results.
Dentistry
Con's: the extra "D" in DMD is annoying and cumbersome to write
Medicine
there's more and better reasons than these
Dentists may be making more right out of school compared to a FP doc, but they're blown away by MD specialists. An invasive cardiologist can make much more, among a countless other specialties in medicine.
Besides that I hate going to the dentist, (like most people), and I think its pretty boring. Its teeth after all.....
Dentists may be making more right out of school compared to a FP doc, but they're blown away by MD specialists. An invasive cardiologist can make much more, among a countless other specialties in medicine.
Besides that I hate going to the dentist, (like most people), and I think its pretty boring. Its teeth after all.....
The current labor data (not trade orgs) doesn't support the idea that dentistry is on average more lucrative than medicine, even FP (not accounting for training time frames).
Physicians
Dentists
ObGyn? You're not looking down someone's mouth, but it's still the same orifice every day-- and it smells.
Because they teach that fluoride helps prevent cavity and is good for children's teeth (even government fluoridates water we drink for that reason). But actually fluoride is toxic chemical substance that is deadly detrimental to our health including teeth. And they also teach that xilitol is bad for our teeth since it is one of "SUGAR" kinds. But actually xilitol is the only known sugar that is beneficial to our teeth.
There are political and social corruptions about this issue why they lie about flouride. If you are curious, just google fluoride and you will get many results.
Hate to say it, but anyone who claims to pick medicine over dentistry because they think looking into someone's mouth all day is boring is a hypocrite.
Sorry to break it to you, but unless you're an academic physician (which, statistically, most people will not become), you're going to do a lot of very routine stuff and the scope of your practice will be very limited. Endocrinology? Prescribe meds for diabetics all day. ObGyn? You're not looking down someone's mouth, but it's still the same orifice every day-- and it smells. Derm? Eczema, acne-- one derm I know has a stamp for "accutane" since he perscribes it so much. General Surgeon? probably gonna cut out appendixes or fix hernias a lot of the time
Each field has its bread and butter, and it all becomes routine. Being a pediatrician dealing with ear infections isn't going to be any more fun than doing fillings.
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73qcesR1Ro4[/YOUTUBE]
Imagine doing that habitually as a fellow female
Sejin, every last chemical known to man is a toxin at a certain dose. Some, however, in proper amounts, are beneficial. The oral health benefits of systemic and topical fluoride have been proven beyond dispute, so you're really making a fool out of yourself by arguing otherwise.
Furthermore, "they" don't teach that xylitol is bad. "They" teach that xylitol is good. It's a sucrose-subsitute that decay-causing bacteria cannot metabolize. In addition, it actually has some bacteriostatic properties. As such, I recommend it to my patients (i.e. "buy some chewing gum with xylitol in it")
You need to do a little bit of reading, my friend.
Have you ever looked at what the dose of fluoride required to produce systemic toxicity? In reference to your comment about "super deadly harmful", remember that anything is harmful in sufficient quantity; this includes water and oxygen. I suggest you go find yourself a copy of Goldfrank's or Ellenhorn's and do some reading up before you go spouting off hysterical hippie gibberish. Aspirin has a far more dubious safety profile than flouride in the form that is put into water.Yeah~ I might be wrong about xylitol but i'm pretty sure that fluoride is SUPER DEADLY HARMFUL. I know that fluoride is naturally produced in water but the amount is very small which has no effect on our body at all. But when we fluoridate water with copious amounts, then it sure harms our body. I have done researchs on this topic for a long time and I came to conclusion that fluoride is detrimental.
Hate to say it, but anyone who claims to pick medicine over dentistry because they think looking into someone's mouth all day is boring is a hypocrite.
Sorry to break it to you, but unless you're an academic physician (which, statistically, most people will not become), you're going to do a lot of very routine stuff and the scope of your practice will be very limited. Endocrinology? Prescribe meds for diabetics all day. ObGyn? You're not looking down someone's mouth, but it's still the same orifice every day-- and it smells. Derm? Eczema, acne-- one derm I know has a stamp for "accutane" since he perscribes it so much. General Surgeon? probably gonna cut out appendixes or fix hernias a lot of the time
Each field has its bread and butter, and it all becomes routine. Being a pediatrician dealing with ear infections isn't going to be any more fun than doing fillings.
Since there is a thread called "Pharmacy or Medicine", I thought why not make a similar thread regarding Dentistry.
Why Medicine over Dentistry?
If there's one thing I absolutely cannot stand, it's people who speak with authority on topics about which they have virtually no fact-based knowledge.
First off, general dentists make more than all the primary care physicians, more than ER physicians, and even more than many OB's. Don't look at the statistics quoted on many websites, because they are plain wrong. Dentists tend to underreport their incomes, and non-self employed dentists (whose incomes are included in the average) are generally underpaid. A dentist owning his own practice will make more money than a primary care physician owning his own practice--and for a number of reasons.
Dental specialists are notorious for their high income. Let me put it to you this way:
As a general dentist, I perform a lot of surgery, including surgical removal of wisdom teeth. Four full-bony-impacted surgical wisdom teeth extractions take me about 30 minutes to perform. Our office fee for them is $350 per tooth. That's $1400 for 30 minutes worth of work. There may be some insurance write-offs, and of course, the patient does actually occupy the chair for 45 minutes to an hour, so let us say that we make $1200 for an hour's worth of work. That's a lot of money to rake in from an hour's work. An oral and maxillofacial surgeon can perform this procedure in about 15 minutes, plus an additional 30 minutes for sedation (which adds another $300 to the procedure) and recovery. Moreover, their fees are higher. Hence, and oral surgeon extracting four full-bony wisdom teeth will hit the patient with a fee of $1800 or $1900 for an hour's worth of work. And, that's mostly what they do. Extract teeth, especially wisdom teeth. At minimum three to four cases per day, plus all the implants, bone grafts, etc. etc. You do the math.
Look at orthodontists. Orthodontists charge $3000 give or take for braces. Few take any insurance, so they get paid every penny. And, they have hundreds of cases running simultaneously. Their assistants carry out all the scut-work, and all the orthodontist does is plan the treatment. Hence, he can see many, many patients during the work day. You do the math.
Look at endodontists. Ball-washing SOBs do nothing but root canals at 150% to 200% the fee of a general dentist. An endodontist spends 30 minutes to one hour performing a root canal for which he charges the patient at bare minimum $700 for a single-canal'ed tooth to $2000 for a molar. And they do this nonstop during the day. You do the math.
Look at pediatric dentists They take the undesirable patients. The patients who must have dental work but cannot be seen by a general dentist. They can charge whatever they want for any procedure! You do the math.
And (drum roll please)......unlike medical specialists who work well over 40 hours per week and take call, most dental professionals work about 32 hours a week and don't take call. Oral surgeons take some call, but it's much easier than it is for their medicine counterparts. If dentists worked the number of hours physicians work, we'd blow the medical profession clear out of the water with regard to income.
I'm two years into practice, I work 32 hours a week, and I make over $170k working for someone else. If I owned the practice, I'd be well over $250k.
If you're in it for the money, DENTISTRY is easily the wiser choice.
If there's one thing I absolutely cannot stand, it's people who speak with authority on topics about which they have virtually no fact-based knowledge.
First off, general dentists make more than all the primary care physicians, more than ER physicians, and even more than many OB's. Don't look at the statistics quoted on many websites, because they are plain wrong. Dentists tend to underreport their incomes, and non-self employed dentists (whose incomes are included in the average) are generally underpaid. A dentist owning his own practice will make more money than a primary care physician owning his own practice--and for a number of reasons.
Dental specialists are notorious for their high income. Let me put it to you this way:
As a general dentist, I perform a lot of surgery, including surgical removal of wisdom teeth. Four full-bony-impacted surgical wisdom teeth extractions take me about 30 minutes to perform. Our office fee for them is $350 per tooth. That's $1400 for 30 minutes worth of work. There may be some insurance write-offs, and of course, the patient does actually occupy the chair for 45 minutes to an hour, so let us say that we make $1200 for an hour's worth of work. That's a lot of money to rake in from an hour's work. An oral and maxillofacial surgeon can perform this procedure in about 15 minutes, plus an additional 30 minutes for sedation (which adds another $300 to the procedure) and recovery. Moreover, their fees are higher. Hence, and oral surgeon extracting four full-bony wisdom teeth will hit the patient with a fee of $1800 or $1900 for an hour's worth of work. And, that's mostly what they do. Extract teeth, especially wisdom teeth. At minimum three to four cases per day, plus all the implants, bone grafts, etc. etc. You do the math.
Look at orthodontists. Orthodontists charge $3000 give or take for braces. Few take any insurance, so they get paid every penny. And, they have hundreds of cases running simultaneously. Their assistants carry out all the scut-work, and all the orthodontist does is plan the treatment. Hence, he can see many, many patients during the work day. You do the math.
Look at endodontists. Ball-washing SOBs do nothing but root canals at 150% to 200% the fee of a general dentist. An endodontist spends 30 minutes to one hour performing a root canal for which he charges the patient at bare minimum $700 for a single-canal'ed tooth to $2000 for a molar. And they do this nonstop during the day. You do the math.
Look at pediatric dentists They take the undesirable patients. The patients who must have dental work but cannot be seen by a general dentist. They can charge whatever they want for any procedure! You do the math.
And (drum roll please)......unlike medical specialists who work well over 40 hours per week and take call, most dental professionals work about 32 hours a week and don't take call. Oral surgeons take some call, but it's much easier than it is for their medicine counterparts. If dentists worked the number of hours physicians work, we'd blow the medical profession clear out of the water with regard to income.
I'm two years into practice, I work 32 hours a week, and I make over $170k working for someone else. If I owned the practice, I'd be well over $250k.
These threads are great. I can't help but open each one. And to this guy, why is public perception of us earning less than we actually do a bad thing? We've got a sweet gig going. Just shut your mouth and enjoy it.
If there's one thing I absolutely cannot stand, it's people who speak with authority on topics about which they have virtually no fact-based knowledge.
First off, general dentists make more than all the primary care physicians, more than ER physicians, and even more than many OB's. Don't look at the statistics quoted on many websites, because they are plain wrong. Dentists tend to underreport their incomes, and non-self employed dentists (whose incomes are included in the average) are generally underpaid. A dentist owning his own practice will make more money than a primary care physician owning his own practice--and for a number of reasons.
Dental specialists are notorious for their high income. Let me put it to you this way:
As a general dentist, I perform a lot of surgery, including surgical removal of wisdom teeth. Four full-bony-impacted surgical wisdom teeth extractions take me about 30 minutes to perform. Our office fee for them is $350 per tooth. That's $1400 for 30 minutes worth of work. There may be some insurance write-offs, and of course, the patient does actually occupy the chair for 45 minutes to an hour, so let us say that we make $1200 for an hour's worth of work. That's a lot of money to rake in from an hour's work. An oral and maxillofacial surgeon can perform this procedure in about 15 minutes, plus an additional 30 minutes for sedation (which adds another $300 to the procedure) and recovery. Moreover, their fees are higher. Hence, and oral surgeon extracting four full-bony wisdom teeth will hit the patient with a fee of $1800 or $1900 for an hour's worth of work. And, that's mostly what they do. Extract teeth, especially wisdom teeth. At minimum three to four cases per day, plus all the implants, bone grafts, etc. etc. You do the math.
Look at orthodontists. Orthodontists charge $3000 give or take for braces. Few take any insurance, so they get paid every penny. And, they have hundreds of cases running simultaneously. Their assistants carry out all the scut-work, and all the orthodontist does is plan the treatment. Hence, he can see many, many patients during the work day. You do the math.
Look at endodontists. Ball-washing SOBs do nothing but root canals at 150% to 200% the fee of a general dentist. An endodontist spends 30 minutes to one hour performing a root canal for which he charges the patient at bare minimum $700 for a single-canal'ed tooth to $2000 for a molar. And they do this nonstop during the day. You do the math.
Look at pediatric dentists They take the undesirable patients. The patients who must have dental work but cannot be seen by a general dentist. They can charge whatever they want for any procedure! You do the math.
And (drum roll please)......unlike medical specialists who work well over 40 hours per week and take call, most dental professionals work about 32 hours a week and don't take call. Oral surgeons take some call, but it's much easier than it is for their medicine counterparts. If dentists worked the number of hours physicians work, we'd blow the medical profession clear out of the water with regard to income.
I'm two years into practice, I work 32 hours a week, and I make over $170k working for someone else. If I owned the practice, I'd be well over $250k.
Have you ever looked at what the dose of fluoride required to produce systemic toxicity? In reference to your comment about "super deadly harmful", remember that anything is harmful in sufficient quantity; this includes water and oxygen. I suggest you go find yourself a copy of Goldfrank's or Ellenhorn's and do some reading up before you go spouting off hysterical hippie gibberish. Aspirin has a far more dubious safety profile than flouride in the form that is put into water.
What about the extra "D" in your "DMO" screename ?
I've seen that website before. The income listed for dentists is way, way, WAY off the mark. For the life of me, I cannot imagine where they got that figure for dentists.
Maybe you should take some of your own advice and not "speak with authority on topics about which they have virtually no fact-based knowledge." As a practicing dentist, how do you know what doctors' salary are? Two years out of practice and you're already an expert on salaries between dentists and doctors? My parents are biologists in BigPharm and knows plenty of doctors including one who says he makes way below average as a gasdoc ($200k) working less than 40 hours. However, that doesn't mean I take his salary and use it as a benchmark for the field.
If we started using anecdotal evidence, we'd be here until the end of year talking about our uncle's second cousin twice removed cleared two million working 10 hours/week scrapping gunk out of people's cars. While I can see how dentist's salary can be misrepresented since the government salary index is based off of salary workers and not self-employed dentists, I'm not sure you offer any proof that dentists make so much more.
When I was an IT guru back during the dot-com days, people talked about the 'easy money' that a programmer was demanding but I rarely saw the the optimistic salary that was quoted about when my friends and I started our job search. Only a few people I knew ended up with the high flying six figures. Most worked mundane jobs for $50-80k.
Also, when people start talking salaries on these forums, I tend to hear only the most extreme cases---people who say they have lived on $30k raising two kids and people who think $150k is near poverty level.
So I guess I'm very skeptical when people go about touting (on an anonymous board) how much money they make, or speaking on authority about money in general. I think I'll stick with the government statistics no matter how inaccurate. At least I can be sure they are not as leaden with self-interest and bias as postings on internet forums.
So I guess we can assume you drank straight from the flouride storage tank?And that has caused many side effects (especially brain-damage-related illness)
Would it help if I told you that I keep in touch with many of my classmates, all of whom make within $10k give or take of what I make. Would it also help if I told you that I have a few close friends who are physicians in primary care, as well as two cousins--also in primary care. They make just a shade under what I make. Once again, the difference between employed and self-employed dentists with regard to income is drastic. Moreover, it is far easier to start and succeed as a solo practitioner as a dentist than it is as a physician. We don't get raped by insurance, and we have patients who come in every six months. When was the last time you've been to a physician for a routine physical? It's been about six years for me.
I speak from first-hand experience. You speak from your a$$. That makes my word far more credible than yours.
So I guess we can assume you drank straight from the flouride storage tank?
ObGyn? You're not looking down someone's mouth, but it's still the same orifice every day-- and it smells.
With all respects, that is exactly what I am talking about;anything is harmful in sufficient quantity . We fluoridate water with sufficient quantity. And that has caused many side effects (especially brain-damage-related illness) which we American have and people in other countries(Japan, China, Germany, etc) don't have where fluoride is banned due to its toxicity.